Parasara's results for karakamsa in various signs

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Fri, April 2, 2010 6:13:30 PM

[vedic astrology] Parasara's results for karakamsa in various signs

 

 

Namaste friends,

 

Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS. For

example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house; karakamsa

in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li makes one

a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects; karakamsa in

Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals, crocodiles etc;

karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

 

If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

 

(1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in deciding

one's nature.

(2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that he

told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality) , things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

 

Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign occupied

by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and clearly

outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default means

" navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

 

By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

 

A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose is

not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

 

* * *

 

AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

 

AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of " this

is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

 

* * *

 

Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar in

D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

 

Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

 

Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

 

George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession

as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

 

Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as an

intellectual.

 

Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of send

manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

 

Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

 

Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

 

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense sadhanas and

distributed the fruits to others later.

 

Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

 

Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

 

Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

 

Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

 

A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by a

suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was about

the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

 

Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

 

One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and so

day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems, you

have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc) has

AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker

of formulas and rules.

 

Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

 

* * *

 

It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied by AK

in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on each

divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT area of

life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully. The above

examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

 

However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the sign.

We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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Namaste friends,

 

Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS. For

example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house; karakamsa

in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li makes one

a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects; karakamsa in

Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals, crocodiles etc;

karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

 

If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

 

(1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in deciding

one's nature.

(2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that he

told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

 

Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign occupied

by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and clearly

outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default means

" navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

 

By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

 

A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose is

not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

 

* * *

 

AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

 

AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of " this

is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

 

* * *

 

Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar in

D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

 

Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

 

Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

 

George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession

as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

 

Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as an

intellectual.

 

Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of send

manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

 

Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

 

Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

 

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense sadhanas and

distributed the fruits to others later.

 

Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

 

Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

 

Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

 

Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

 

A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by a

suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was about

the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

 

Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

 

One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and so

day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems, you

have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc) has

AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker

of formulas and rules.

 

Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

 

* * *

 

It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied by AK

in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on each

divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT area of

life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully. The above

examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

 

However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the sign.

We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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Om Namah Sivaya

 

Dear All,

 

This is a good interpretation. I am not going to the details that Narasimha

added, but want to add a point.

 

The concept of extending the results given in Karakamsa chapter of Jaimini is

never restricted to Navamsa only. These reasults were extended to all the

Divisionals used in Jaimini by the ancient scholars.

 

Please have a look at the Drekkana explanation of Somanatha Mishra in his

Kalapalatha, where he explained the results given in Karakamsa chapter in

Parivritti Drekkana. You can read the commentary by Sri Rangacharya for this

also.

 

If we understand the sampradaya and then only we can understand the science.

 

Warm regards,

Shanmukha

 

vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li

makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects;

karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals,

crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

>

> If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

>

> (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

deciding one's nature.

> (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that he

told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

>

> Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and

clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default

means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

>

> By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

>

> A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose

is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

>

> * * *

>

> AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

>

> AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

" this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

>

> * * *

>

> Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar

in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

>

> Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

>

> Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

>

> George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

>

> Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as

an intellectual.

>

> Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

>

> Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

>

> Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

>

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense sadhanas and

distributed the fruits to others later.

>

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

>

> Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

>

> Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

>

> Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

>

> A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by a

suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was about

the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

>

> Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

>

> One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and so

day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems, you

have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc) has

AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker

of formulas and rules.

>

> Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

>

> * * *

>

> It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied by

AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on

each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT

area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully.

The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

>

> However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

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> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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> -

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

Your write-up is certainly stimulating. Today, only a little of Jaimini is

known and we have missed the vast treasure. The great Vemuri was a living

legend to testify it.

 

However, lagna is very important in each divisional chart too as Chara

Karaka status of all the planets remain same for a few hours unless the Moon

changes the hierarchy. Applying common sense, all persons born during the

period spanning many hours can't have the same outlook. AK in 6th or 8th

should certainly have a different meaning than AK in lagna or 9th. Thus,

there may be two impressions, one for Rasi and the other for Bhava, Bhava

being more important and Rasi giving it a certain colour. But, it is just my

humble opinion.

 

Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

it in Rasi. Once I had raised this question to him too that span of

Karakamsha lagna will exceed even the span of lagna (the time Moon takes to

cross 3 degrees 20 minutes).

 

Praveen Kumar

 

 

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

>

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

> For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

> karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa

> in Li makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and

> insects; karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red

> corals, crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

>

> If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

>

> (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

> deciding one's nature.

> (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that

> he told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from

> D-10 (work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that

> he told us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see

> from D-30 (evils and misfortune), etc.

>

> Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

> occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts

> and clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by

> default means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given

> that Parasara defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in

> which amsa, we need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being

> talked about. If one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

>

> By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is

> clearly telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts

> can be seen to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of

> life. Also, the results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many

> things in so many areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li

> stands for so many things in so many area of life, in addition to business.

> And so on.

>

> A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's

> purpose is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

>

> * * *

>

> AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this

> is I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom,

> then this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

>

> AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

> " this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as

> a minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and

> drives one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

>

> * * *

>

> Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in

> Ar in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life

> in a gritty and driven way.

>

> Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests

> in professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his

> sense of purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and

> communications.

>

> Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

> innovation based profession.

>

> George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

>

> Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession

> as an intellectual.

>

> Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

> send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

>

> Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> profession as a proud being.

>

> Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit,

> while Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and

> perseverance, much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

>

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self

> manifested in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense

> sadhanas and distributed the fruits to others later.

>

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

> intense sadhanas.

>

> Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

> spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

>

> Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> his spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

>

> Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> his spiritual life as a high philosopher.

>

> A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple

> of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast

> caused by a suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining

> consciousness was about the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20

> and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

>

> Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self

> manifested in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

>

> One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and

> so day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes

> problems, you have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on

> horoscope etc) has AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> spiritual life as a seeker of formulas and rules.

>

> Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

>

> * * *

>

> It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied

> by AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based

> on each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in

> THAT area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara

> carefully. The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing

> Parasara.

>

> However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

> sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

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> -------------------------

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Narasimha ji for a good write up ...........

Love and regards,

gopi.

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in

BPHS. For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the

house; karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc);

karakamsa in Li makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from

snakes and insects; karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches,

pearls, red corals, crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual

progress; and so on.

>

> If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

>

> (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role

in deciding one's nature.

> (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things

that he told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see

from D-10 (work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts),

things that he told us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he

told us to see from D-30 (evils and misfortune), etc.

>

> Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa

charts and clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never

said " amsa " by default means " navamsa " , though that is the common

convention today. Given that Parasara defined many amsas and clearly

defined which matters to see in which amsa, we need to choose an

appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If one applies

oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

>

> By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is

clearly telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional

charts can be seen to get an idea about the basic personality in various

areas of life. Also, the results given by him are samples only. Ar

stands for so many things in so many areas of life, in addition to fear

from rats and cats. Li stands for so many things in so many area of

life, in addition to business. And so on.

>

> A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's

purpose is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

>

> * * *

>

> AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness

( " this is I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a

kingdom, then this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the

king.

>

> AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense

of " this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister.

Just as a minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life

counsels and drives one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

>

> * * *

>

> Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK

in Ar in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in

professional life in a gritty and driven way.

>

> Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self

manifests in professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in

D-10 and his sense of purpose in profession is related to intellectual

work and communications.

>

> Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

>

> George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

>

> Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as an intellectual.

>

> Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his

sense of send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

>

> Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

>

> Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self

manifested in profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar

shows fiery grit, while Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted -

shows persistence and perseverance, much like its Sanskrit name makara

or crocodile).

>

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did

intense sadhanas and distributed the fruits to others later.

>

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known

for intense sadhanas.

>

> Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in

her spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

>

> Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in his spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

>

> Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in his spiritual life as a high philosopher.

>

> A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct

disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a

bomb blast caused by a suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after

regaining consciousness was about the well-being of the bomber!) has AK

in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as

compassion.

>

> Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

>

> One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so

and so day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity

causes problems, you have to pick a mantra with correct number of

letters based on horoscope etc) has AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of

self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker of formulas and rules.

>

> Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

>

> * * *

>

> It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign

occupied by AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each

karakamsa based on each divisional chart, you know something about the

basic personality in THAT area of life. This is actually quite obvious

if you parse Parasara carefully. The above examples illustrate the

philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

>

> However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on

the sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks PVRji,

This is interesting. But what do you suggest? In D-charts, AK to be recalculated

as per D-chart degrees or asssume the same as that of natal Rasi chart, D-1.

 

regds

Dev

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li

makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects;

karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals,

crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

>

> If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

>

> (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

deciding one's nature.

> (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that he

told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

>

> Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and

clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default

means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

>

> By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

>

> A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose

is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

>

> * * *

>

> AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

>

> AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

" this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

>

> * * *

>

> Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar

in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

>

> Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

>

> Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

>

> George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

>

> Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as

an intellectual.

>

> Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

>

> Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

>

> Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

>

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense sadhanas and

distributed the fruits to others later.

>

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

>

> Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

>

> Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

>

> Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

>

> A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by a

suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was about

the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

>

> Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

>

> One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and so

day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems, you

have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc) has

AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker

of formulas and rules.

>

> Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

>

> * * *

>

> It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied by

AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on

each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT

area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully.

The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

>

> However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimhaji ,

 

One aspect the opponents of astrology bring in is , children born in same

hospital ,at almost similar times .In such cases the fates should be very

similar as the Rasi or navamsa in sveral cases should be almost the same . The

very higher divisional horoscopes might be different , but normally the

astrologers while giving the predictions do not perhaps go beyond NavamsA due

time or other constraints .So if two people who are born at almost close times

and at the same hospital ,go to two different astrologers ( two well learned

astrologers ) they would perhaps get similar readings? More puzzling would be

that their parents too might have similar fates , since the 9th house too would

be in simialr state ?

 

Could you please throw some light that answers questions that arise perhaps in

many minds who are starting o learn astrology like me .

 

One another question that I had is , does the principle of cumbstion aslo exist

in Jaimini ? If so ,combusion of Karakamsa , what does it signify ?Does it mean

weakeness with career pursuits or the house that is occupied or connected gets

weakened ? In such case does a powerful Atmakaraka help ?Then obviously this

leads to a question as to which should be fortified , the Atmakaraka ot

Amatyakaraka ?

 

Look forward to your advise ,

 

Thanks and regards,

Manoj

 

vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li

makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects;

karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals,

crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

>

> If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

>

> (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

deciding one's nature.

> (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that he

told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

>

> Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and

clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default

means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

>

> By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

>

> A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose

is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

>

> * * *

>

> AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

>

> AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

" this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

>

> * * *

>

> Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar

in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

>

> Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

>

> Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

>

> George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

>

> Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as

an intellectual.

>

> Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

>

> Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

>

> Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

>

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense sadhanas and

distributed the fruits to others later.

>

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

>

> Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

>

> Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

>

> Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

>

> A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by a

suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was about

the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

>

> Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

>

> One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and so

day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems, you

have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc) has

AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker

of formulas and rules.

>

> Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

>

> * * *

>

> It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied by

AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on

each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT

area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully.

The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

>

> However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Dear “Narashima Jeeâ€,

 

In my humble opinion, this will further increase the confusion. As if it’s

already less.

When it comes to Karakamsa, Parashara must want us to see it either in Rashi or

in navamsha.

 

But here you are saying that we have to see karakamsa in all divisional charts.

Of course this is not what parashara meant.

 

This will reduce whole chapter Karakamsa, written by parashara into meaningless

jargon. If that is the case then tell us, in which divisional chart we have to

apply which verses of karakamsa chapter. Or all the verses have to be applied in

all divisional charts.

 

PrabhuJi,

 

Same is true for Drekkana.

Parashara must have meant that there is only one drekkana chart.

 

But you saying that his verses can be interpreted in three different ways,

therefore their exists 3 drekkana chart. And parashara wants us to create three

different drekkana chart, each one has a different purpose.

But when it comes to what to see in which drekkana chart; you prefer to remain

quiet.

 

Its good that you bring forth this possibility of different interpretations.

But, in my humble opinion only one is the correct interpretation and sooner or

later all have to accept credibility of only drekkana chart.

 

Same is true for other divisional charts.

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna,

Arun.

 

 

vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li

makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects;

karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals,

crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

>

> If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

>

> (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

deciding one's nature.

> (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that he

told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

>

> Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and

clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default

means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

>

> By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

>

> A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose

is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

>

> * * *

>

> AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

>

> AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

" this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

>

> * * *

>

> Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar

in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

>

> Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

>

> Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

>

> George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

>

> Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as

an intellectual.

>

> Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

>

> Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

>

> Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

>

> Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense sadhanas and

distributed the fruits to others later.

>

> Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

>

> Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

>

> Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

>

> Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

>

> A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple of

Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by a

suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was about

the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

>

> Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self manifested

in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

>

> One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and so

day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems, you

have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc) has

AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a seeker

of formulas and rules.

>

> Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

>

> * * *

>

> It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied by

AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on

each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT

area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully.

The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

>

> However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

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[Guest guest]

Dear learned members,

 

To bring some light to, where to see karakamsa, consider this scenario;

 

 

If Jupiter is atmakaraka,

 

Case 1: sign occupied by Jupiter in navamsha is karakamsa lagana in navamsha.

Therefore in case 1 Jupiter will always be in karakamsa lagana.

 

 

Case 2: sign occupied by Jupiter in navamsha is karakamsa lagana in Rashi.

Therefore in case 2 Jupiter might be or might not be in lagana.

 

******

Now In Karakamsa chapter, this is what parasharas said:

 

Should Guru be alone in karakamsa then one will be a knower of everything, be a

writer and be versed in Vedas and Vedanta philosophy, but not an oratorian, or a

grammarian.

 

If Guru is not atamakarak, the effects, as stated, will effectively come to

pass.

 

******

On applying these verses in the above mentioned two cases:

 

Case1:

If jupiter is atmakaraka then these verses will never come to pass effectively.

 

Secondly, if Jupiter is not atmakarak even then it will never be alone in

karakamsa, since atmakaraka will always be in karakamsa lagan in navamsha.

 

Therefore, above verses will never come to pass effectively, because if jupiter

is atmakaraka, it will always be in karakamsa lagan. If jupiter is not

atmakaraka and is in karakamsa lagana, then it will always be in company of

atmakarak thus is never placed alone in karakamsa lagan.

 

Case 2:

Only in case2, their are some scenarios when above verses can come true.

Jupiter is not atmakarak and is still placed alone in karakamsa lagana; it is

possible only in case 2.

 

*******

 

Therefore, it can be concluded that parashara have written these verses

considering karakamsa in rashi chakra and not in navamsha chakra.

 

Would parashara write about something, which could never occur?

******

 

Considering karakamsa in rashi, let’s study NarashimaJi chart;

 

Rahu, Candr in Karakamsa lagana in rashi.

 

Candr denotes a follower of Sankhya philosophy and indicates, that one is versed

in rhetoric and singing.

 

Rahu in karakamsa shows one is a computer programmer, though parashara says

mechanic; but software programmers are mechanics who repair/create computer

programs.

Rahu exalted accept on 5th house indicate one is a jyotishi.

 

Surya in 2nd shows once is a musician.

 

9th lord sukra with neeach shani, shows what has happened in last few days. And

Jupiter in 9th shows he is always blessed by guru.

 

Swarashi mangal in 3ld shows, that many people has/had worked under him. Neeach

Saturn and sukra shows that at some part of time he is left alone and has no one

working under him.

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna,

Arun.

 

 

vedic astrology , " arun " <aruninthecity wrote:

>

> Dear “Narashima Jeeâ€,

>

> In my humble opinion, this will further increase the confusion. As if it’s

already less.

> When it comes to Karakamsa, Parashara must want us to see it either in Rashi

or in navamsha.

>

> But here you are saying that we have to see karakamsa in all divisional

charts. Of course this is not what parashara meant.

>

> This will reduce whole chapter Karakamsa, written by parashara into

meaningless jargon. If that is the case then tell us, in which divisional chart

we have to apply which verses of karakamsa chapter. Or all the verses have to be

applied in all divisional charts.

>

> PrabhuJi,

>

> Same is true for Drekkana.

> Parashara must have meant that there is only one drekkana chart.

>

> But you saying that his verses can be interpreted in three different ways,

therefore their exists 3 drekkana chart. And parashara wants us to create three

different drekkana chart, each one has a different purpose.

> But when it comes to what to see in which drekkana chart; you prefer to remain

quiet.

>

> Its good that you bring forth this possibility of different interpretations.

> But, in my humble opinion only one is the correct interpretation and sooner or

later all have to accept credibility of only drekkana chart.

>

> Same is true for other divisional charts.

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna,

> Arun.

>

>

> vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa in Li

makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and insects;

karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red corals,

crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

> >

> > If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

> >

> > (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

deciding one's nature.

> > (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that

he told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from D-10

(work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that he told

us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see from D-30

(evils and misfortune), etc.

> >

> > Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts and

clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by default

means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given that Parasara

defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in which amsa, we

need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being talked about. If

one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

> >

> > By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is clearly

telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts can be seen

to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of life. Also, the

results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many things in so many

areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li stands for so many

things in so many area of life, in addition to business. And so on.

> >

> > A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's purpose

is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this is

I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom, then

this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

> >

> > AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

" this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as a

minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and drives

one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in Ar

in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life in a

gritty and driven way.

> >

> > Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests in

professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his sense of

purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and communications.

> >

> > Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

innovation based profession.

> >

> > George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

> >

> > Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession as

an intellectual.

> >

> > Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

> >

> > Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a proud being.

> >

> > Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit, while

Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and perseverance,

much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense

sadhanas and distributed the fruits to others later.

> >

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

intense sadhanas.

> >

> > Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

> >

> > Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

his spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

> >

> > Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in his

spiritual life as a high philosopher.

> >

> > A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple

of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast caused by

a suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining consciousness was

about the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

> >

> > Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self

manifested in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

> >

> > One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and

so day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes problems,

you have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on horoscope etc)

has AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as a

seeker of formulas and rules.

> >

> > Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied

by AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based on

each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in THAT

area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara carefully.

The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing Parasara.

> >

> > However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > Spirituality:

> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

>