Limitations of Ashtak Varaga - KAS or ANY BODY

[Guest guest]

Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi

astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the

basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and

some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

appliction.

 

That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to

fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him

to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get

punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who

runs his group and he was not seen in the group.

 

Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell

lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them,

this is how fan fare is created for false theories.

 

Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

 

Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious

astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very

limited applications.

 

Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th

house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems

to be said by a spirit.

 

Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

 

Lalit Mishra

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng seems to be said by a spirit.//

May I know the exact point.regardsKulbir Bains.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his predictions on the basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd the same on my and some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited appliction.

That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order to fit into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and he left our group.

Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in their charts has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them.

Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to understand impact of transit, again a limited application.

Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng seems to be said by a spirit.

Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.

Lalit Mishra. 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I will remove your other doubts also.Basis of lalkitab sytem

Part-1, the need to develop this

system                         AAGAAZ''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM HUA;

ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''

 

It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full of

enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material tools of

success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but try to

succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the results were

not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under -qualified

ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was perplexed, cold

sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him to find the reason for

this.

He turned towards study of

destiny.

 

Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of astrology it

was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but destinies

differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.

In case of palmistry, lines

of hand develop till 12 years at rapid pace; there is less change after 18

years, only branches from main lines change; so how to depend on lines that

change.

Then it was seen that in

calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes, war, accidents, epidemics;

thousands perish at the same time. Do the have similar horoscopes and palms.

The biggest problem

encountered with astrology was rectification of birth time; the palmistry

portion’s limitation was that it didn’t give concrete information about the

articles, companions that play a crucial role in outcome of destiny.

Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness

and keen observation led to the answer that;

When (as per the divine scheme) a soul enters the womb of the mother, the graph

of its karmic record also accompanies it. In the first stage, the brain of the

child develops, the karmic records' graph influences the development of the brain,

this development of brain, in turn is instrumental in further extension i.e.

giving shape to various limbs and organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on

the palm.  This karmic graph can also be

deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time of birth of the

child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary influence also manifests

itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives, animate and inanimate

things that accompany or are to accompany him. So vaastu, face reading, body

structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating habits, behavioural

pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized to see the pattern.

 Some of these karmic records’ results can be

moulded to native's advantage as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to

others which are treated are unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound

to suffer the results. Only some person blessed with divine powers has the

power to alter them: But then also the result will be there, it is altered in

the sense that the divine person who alters them transfers the effects unto

himself.

‘’duniyaavee

hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen "

As in mundane

affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is no escape from death;

similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which introduces with the

unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like mundane affairs,

not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for protection for peace of mind ‘’

rooh ki shaanti’’

If the destiny

promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune and some obstruction is

there. Lalkitab helps in removing that obstruction. But it cannot deliver which

,as comprehended through jyotish, is not promised. Of course if there is some

danger/threat to the native he can be protected with help of Lalkitab;

explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to attack the native, this knowledge

can create a wall for the protection of the native; if the attack from lion

becomes ferocious; the wall will increase it’s height for protection but neither

will it shoot the lion or catch hold of his legs; but with help of divine

grace, the lion will yield by fatigue and abandon the idea of attacking the

native. Lalkitab cannot be used to harm others; rather it is a subject which

will be helpful in establishing harmonious relations between inimical

tendencies.Regards Kulbir Bains.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote:

Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng seems to be said by a spirit.//

May I know the exact point.regardsKulbir Bains.

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his predictions on the basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd the same on my and some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited appliction.

That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order to fit into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and he left our group.

Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in their charts has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them.

Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to understand impact of transit, again a limited application.

Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng seems to be said by a spirit.

Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.

Lalit Mishra. 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit Mishra_jee,

 

Good posting!'

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

> Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi

> astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the

> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and

> some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> appliction.

>

> That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to

> fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him

> to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get

> punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who

> runs his group and he was not seen in the group.

>

> Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell

> lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them,

> this is how fan fare is created for false theories.

>

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

> upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

>

> Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious

> astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very

> limited applications.

>

> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th

> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems

> to be said by a spirit.

>

> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

>

> Lalit Mishra

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

> upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

 

That is incorrect. Ashtakavarga is NOT AT ALL static in nature. Ashtakavarga is

a way to judge the placement of 8 planets with respect to 8 planets taken as

references in the same chart or a different chart.

 

Ashtakavarga can be used to compare natal and transit charts, rasi and

divisional charts, natal and Tajaka charts, natal and TP charts and so on.

 

In fact, Parasara explicitly mentioned ashtakavarga to be the most useful

technique for the " intellectual pygmies " (us!) of Kali yuga who cannot balance

too many criteria and just want simple quantitative techniques. Especially, when

used with dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa entry charts of Sudarsana Chakra dasa,

he said ashtakavarga can enable us to give accurate annual, monthly and daily

predictions.

 

I do agree that ashtakavarga as understood by us today does not really work with

any level of consistency. Obviously, there are some corruptions and/or missing

pieces.

 

But, Parasara definitely wanted us to focus on ashtakavarga.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

Spirituality:

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

-

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi

> astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the

> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and

> some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> appliction.

>

> That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to

> fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him

> to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get

> punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who

> runs his group and he was not seen in the group.

>

> Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell

> lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them,

> this is how fan fare is created for false theories.

>

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

> upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

>

> Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious

> astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very

> limited applications.

>

> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th

> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems

> to be said by a spirit.

>

> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

>

> Lalit Mishra

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

> upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

 

That is incorrect. Ashtakavarga is NOT AT ALL static in nature. Ashtakavarga is

a way to judge the placement of 8 planets with respect to 8 planets taken as

references in the same chart or a different chart.

 

Ashtakavarga can be used to compare natal and transit charts, rasi and

divisional charts, natal and Tajaka charts, natal and TP charts and so on.

 

In fact, Parasara explicitly mentioned ashtakavarga to be the most useful

technique for the " intellectual pygmies " (us!) of Kali yuga who cannot balance

too many criteria and just want simple quantitative techniques. Especially, when

used with dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa entry charts of Sudarsana Chakra dasa,

he said ashtakavarga can enable us to give accurate annual, monthly and daily

predictions.

 

I do agree that ashtakavarga as understood by us today does not really work with

any level of consistency. Obviously, there are some corruptions and/or missing

pieces.

 

But, Parasara definitely wanted us to focus on ashtakavarga.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-

Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

Spirituality:

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

-

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi

> astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the

> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and

> some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> appliction.

>

> That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to

> fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him

> to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get

> punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who

> runs his group and he was not seen in the group.

>

> Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell

> lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them,

> this is how fan fare is created for false theories.

>

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

> upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

>

> Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious

> astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very

> limited applications.

>

> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th

> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems

> to be said by a spirit.

>

> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

>

> Lalit Mishra

[Guest guest]

Brother Narsimha,

 

In fact, I hardly get disappointed but the kind of astrology and

astrologers, I found in the internet groups , not only, I am

disappointed, I am speedily becoming hopeless, what will happen to

Jyotish the Vedanga only god knows.

 

The apprehensions expressed by Maitreya (not by the Parashara himself

as you wrongly posted) in the preface of Ashtak Varga Adhaya, seems to

be absolutely correct.

 

But, next question is raised at you, why you have not quoted Maitreya's

concern correctly ??

 

Unlike what you posted, Maitreya says - because of several types of

planetary motions (Gati - Sankarat), mixed end results (Sankarat - Tat

Phalam) occur in life which is difficult for everybody to understand and

ascertain such an result in plain terms like it's because of this reason

(Ithame-Veti).

 

It was further explained that in the Kali yuga people will loose power

of judgement, they will be dull minded ( Manda - Buddhi) because they

will be engaged in sinful activities (Paapa-Rat).

 

<< in which most active net astrologers are seen>>

 

Those concerna are raised by Maitreya to Parashara, Parashara has never

said that Ashtak Varga is most useful technique as you posted and

understood, Hope you w'd correct your interpretation, the meaning which

comes out by your interpretation is incorrect as well as incomplete,

Take care while reproducing words of sages, do not normalize and

interpolate your understanding to the words of Sages -

 

//

 

In fact, Parasara explicitly mentioned ashtakavarga to be the most

useful technique for the " intellectual pygmies " (us!) of Kali yuga who

cannot balance too many criteria and just want simple quantitative

techniques. Especially, when used with dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa

entry charts of Sudarsana Chakra dasa, he said ashtakavarga can enable

us to give accurate annual, monthly and daily predictions

 

//

 

 

Further, Maitreya requests to Parashara for teaching a sytem which can

be easily understood by dull minded or people with low intellect ( Atau

- Alpa - Buddhi - Gamyam), he further requests that such a system should

give clarity on happiness and sorrow and on Ayush Nirnaya in the current

(Tat-Kaal Graha Sthitya) position of planets.

 

Further, Parashara simplifies Ashtak Vargas with examples, He says to

find out " Karan Sthan " , Bindu or Rekha.

 

Hope, now it's clear to you and others, Now, Let's understand how

results are to be understood by Ashtak Varga, pretty simple, Parashara

has considered only 7 planets and lagna, he hasn't mentioned Nodes -

Rahu and Ketu in Ashtak Varga.

 

Houses (Bhava) with more points are said to give more emphatic results.

 

Parashara has even not considered Vargas or Amshas or Divisional charts

in Ashtak Vargas, there is no reference to them at all, the way you put

it in your post, indicates you have not yet got clarity in Ashtak

Vargas.

 

//

 

Ashtakavarga can be used to compare natal and transit charts, rasi and

divisional charts, natal and Tajaka charts, natal and TP charts and so

on.

 

//

 

The way you represent Ashtak Varga is far away from how Parashara

explained to Maitreya, rest is your's choice, but, Lastly, I am happy

that you admited following -

 

//

 

I do agree that ashtakavarga as understood (by us) today does not really

work with any level of consistency. Obviously, there are some

corruptions and/or missing pieces.

 

//

 

Why Ashtak Varga is static -

 

It's easy to understand, Ashtak Varga doesn't make distinction in

planet's one complete round of 12 houses from another complete round of

12 houses, ie, it doesn't tell how is first transit of Jup or Saturn

through 12 houses is different from subsequent rounds of 12 houses,

definitely, each round of Jup or Saturn or any planet has some or other

differences in jataka's life.

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> > Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be

relied

> > upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> > little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

>

> That is incorrect. Ashtakavarga is NOT AT ALL static in nature.

Ashtakavarga is a way to judge the placement of 8 planets with respect

to 8 planets taken as references in the same chart or a different chart.

>

> Ashtakavarga can be used to compare natal and transit charts, rasi and

divisional charts, natal and Tajaka charts, natal and TP charts and so

on.

>

> In fact, Parasara explicitly mentioned ashtakavarga to be the most

useful technique for the " intellectual pygmies " (us!) of Kali yuga who

cannot balance too many criteria and just want simple quantitative

techniques. Especially, when used with dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa

entry charts of Sudarsana Chakra dasa, he said ashtakavarga can enable

us to give accurate annual, monthly and daily predictions.

>

> I do agree that ashtakavarga as understood by us today does not really

work with any level of consistency. Obviously, there are some

corruptions and/or missing pieces.

>

> But, Parasara definitely wanted us to focus on ashtakavarga.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and

Nadi

> > astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the

> > basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my

and

> > some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> > appliction.

> >

> > That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order

to

> > fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask

him

> > to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will

get

> > punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya

who

> > runs his group and he was not seen in the group.

> >

> > Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody,

tell

> > lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for

them,

> > this is how fan fare is created for false theories.

> >

> > Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be

relied

> > upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> > little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

> >

> > Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious

> > astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very

> > limited applications.

> >

> > Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about

10'th

> > house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing

seems

> > to be said by a spirit.

> >

> > Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

> >

> > Lalit Mishra

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Brother Narsimha,

The apprehensions expressed by Maitreya (not by the Parashara himself as you wrongly posted) in the preface of Ashtak Varga Adhaya of BPHS, seems to be absolutely correct.

In fact, I hardly get disappointed but the kind of astrology and astrologers, I found in the internet groups , not only, I am disappointed, I am speedily becoming hopeless, what will happen to Jyotish the Vedanga only god knows.

But, next question is raised at you, why you have not quoted Maitreya's concern correctly ??

Unlike what you posted, Maitreya says - because of several types of planetary motions (Gati - Sankarat), mixed end results (Sankarat - Tat Phalam) occur in life which is difficult for everybody to understand and ascertain such an result in plain terms like it's because of this reason (Ithame-Veti).

It was further explained that in the Kali yuga people will loose power of judgement, they will be dull minded ( Manda - Buddhi) because they will be engaged in sinful activities (Paapa-Rat).

<< in which most active net astrologers are seen>>

Those concerna are raised by Maitreya to Parashara, Parashara has never said that Ashtak Varga is most useful technique as you posted and understood, Hope you w'd correct your interpretation, the meaning which comes out by your interpretation is incorrect as well as incomplete, Take care while reproducing words of sages, do not normalize and interpolate your understanding to the words of Sages -

//

In fact, Parasara explicitly mentioned ashtakavarga to be the most useful technique for the "intellectual pygmies" (us!) of Kali yuga who cannot balance too many criteria and just want simple quantitative techniques. Especially, when used with dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa entry charts of Sudarsana Chakra dasa, he said ashtakavarga can enable us to give accurate annual, monthly and daily predictions//

Further, Maitreya requests to Parashara for teaching a sytem which can be easily understood by dull minded or people with low intellect ( Atau - Alpa - Buddhi - Gamyam), he further requests that such a system should give clarity on happiness and sorrow and on Ayush Nirnaya in the current (Tat-Kaal Graha Sthitya) position of planets.

Further, Parashara simplifies Ashtak Vargas with examples, He says to find out "Karan Sthan", Bindu or Rekha.

Hope, now it's clear to you and others, Now, Let's understand how results are to be understood by Ashtak Varga, pretty simple, Parashara has considered only 7 planets and lagna, he hasn't mentioned Nodes - Rahu and Ketu in Ashtak Varga.

Houses (Bhava) with more points are said to give more emphatic results.

Parashara has even not considered Vargas or Amshas or Divisional charts in Ashtak Vargas, there is no reference to them at all, the way you put it in your post, indicates you have not yet got clarity in Ashtak Vargas.

//

Ashtakavarga can be used to compare natal and transit charts, rasi and divisional charts, natal and Tajaka charts, natal and TP charts and so on.//

The way you represent Ashtak Varga is far away from how Parashara explained to Maitreya, rest is your's choice, but, Lastly, I am happy that you admited following -

//

I do agree that ashtakavarga as understood (by us) today does not really work with any level of consistency. Obviously, there are some corruptions and/or missing pieces.//

Why Ashtak Varga is static -

It's easy to understand, Ashtak Varga doesn't make distinction in planet's one complete round of 12 houses from another complete round of 12 houses, ie, it doesn't tell how is first transit of Jup or Saturn through 12 houses is different from subsequent rounds of 12 houses, definitely, each round of Jup or Saturn or any planet has some or other differences in jataka's life.

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:>> Namaste,> > > Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied> > upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's> > little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.> > That is incorrect. Ashtakavarga is NOT AT ALL static in nature. Ashtakavarga is a way to judge the placement of 8 planets with respect to 8 planets taken as references in the same chart or a different chart.> > Ashtakavarga can be used to compare natal and transit charts, rasi and divisional charts, natal and Tajaka charts, natal and TP charts and so on.> > In fact, Parasara explicitly mentioned ashtakavarga to be the most useful technique for the "intellectual pygmies" (us!) of Kali yuga who cannot balance too many criteria and just want simple quantitative techniques. Especially, when used with dasa/antardasa/pratyantardasa entry charts of Sudarsana Chakra dasa, he said ashtakavarga can enable us to give accurate annual, monthly and daily predictions.> > I do agree that ashtakavarga as understood by us today does not really work with any level of consistency. Obviously, there are some corruptions and/or missing pieces.> > But, Parasara definitely wanted us to focus on ashtakavarga.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> -> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,> "Do It Yourself" ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org> Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings> -> > , "utkal.panigrahi" utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:> > > > Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi> > astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the> > basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and> > some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited> > appliction.> > > > That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to> > fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him> > to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get> > punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who> > runs his group and he was not seen in the group.> > > > Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell> > lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them,> > this is how fan fare is created for false theories.> > > > Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied> > upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's> > little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.> > > > Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious> > astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very> > limited applications.> > > > Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th> > house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems> > to be said by a spirit.> > > > Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.> > > > Lalit Mishra>sohamsa , Bipin Prag <bipinprag wrote:>> om namo bhagavate paramgurave> > Dear Lalit> Namaste> > My humble request to you is to please focus on the astrology and not the> astrologer. You have made some serious allegations and this is not the> forum to express this. Like they say ..... 'Play the Ball - not the Man'.> Like some members have suggested, why dont you start a thread about your> various theories and post case studies with charts of these various> discoveries you have made and those interested can join that thread. Im> afraid that all your good knowledge would not be rightfully appreciated here> if your posts are moderated or members choose to mark your mails as spam> which would be most unfortunate.> > All forums have certain minimum codes of conduct, so please respect this for> the benefit of others. Lets change the tone on the forum to one of> enlightenment, discovery, accomplishment and positive thoughts so that we> embrace this beautiful language of our Seers called Jyotish.> > Best Wishes> > Bipin> > > > > > > On 2 April 2010 23:12, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:> > >> >> > Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi> > astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the basis> > of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and some more> > charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited appliction.> >> > That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to fit> > his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to> > predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get> > punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who runs> > his group and he left our group.> >> > Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in their charts> > has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract people from> > the right path and make some name for them.> >> > Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied> > upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is assessment of> > strength of a house and a planet.> >> > Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious peopple to> > understand impact of transit, again they have a limited application.> >> > Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th house> > for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems to be said> > by a spirit.> >> > Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.> >> > Lalit Mishra> >> > > >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Kulbir,

 

I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am aware of

strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab.

 

No doubt that given excerpt is nice.

 

regards,

Lalit Mishra

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I will remove

your

> other doubts also.

> Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this system

> *AAGAAZ*

> *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM HUA;*

> *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''*

>

>

> It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full

of

> enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material

tools of

> success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but

try to

> succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the

results

> were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under

> -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was

> perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him

to

> find the reason for this.

>

> He turned towards study of destiny.

>

>

> Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of

astrology

> it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but

destinies

> differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.

>

> In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid

pace;

> there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines

change;

> so how to depend on lines that change.

>

> Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes,

war,

> accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do the have

similar

> horoscopes and palms.

>

> The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification of

birth

> time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it didn't

give concrete

> information about the articles, companions that play a crucial role in

> outcome of destiny.

>

> *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen

observation

> * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul

enters the

> womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also accompanies

it. In

> the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic records'

graph

> influences the development of the brain, this development of brain, in

turn

> is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various

limbs and

> organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This karmic

graph

> can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time

of

> birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary

influence

> also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives,

animate

> and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So

vaastu, face

> reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating

habits,

> behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized

to see

> the pattern.

>

> Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to native's

advantage

> as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are

treated are

> unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the

results. Only

> some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter them:

But then

> also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the

divine

> person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.

>

> `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen "

>

> As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is

no

> escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which

introduces

> with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like

> mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for

protection for

> peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti''

>

> If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune

and

> some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that

obstruction. But

> it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish, is not

promised.

> Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be

protected

> with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to

attack

> the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of the

> native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will

increase

> it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or

catch hold

> of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by

fatigue

> and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab cannot be used

to

> harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in

establishing

> harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said

about

> > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every

thng seems

> > to be said by a spirit.//

> > May I know the exact point.

> > regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his predictions on

the

> >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd the same on my

and some

> >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

appliction.

> >>

> >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order to fit into

post

> >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to predict 5 future

event of

> >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, Once I

challanged either

> >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and he left our

group.

> >>

> >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in their

charts

> >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract

people from

> >> the right path and make some name for them.

> >>

> >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be

relied

> >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is

assessment of

> >> strength of a house and a planet.

> >>

> >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to understand impact of

> >> transit, again a limited application.

> >>

> >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about

10'th

> >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng

seems to be

> >> said by a spirit.

> >>

> >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.

> >>

> >> Lalit Mishra.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Lalit Misra ji,  I am not questioning your intellectual faculty but i am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system doesn't give you the right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't give you a right to comment.

Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't display your half baked rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 KISSI BAAT KO AAZMANE SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR WAHAM KHADA KAR LENA MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA.

page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI LADAKAPAN KI TABIYAT WAALE NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK (APNE DAIYRE MEIN MEHDOD) JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE BADSHAH (BEWAKOOF) SE KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI SAATHIYON KO HASB E HASIYAT IS ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI :- KAR BHALA - HO BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA.

POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE KISSI DOOSRE ILLM YA AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE.THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI STATEMENT  //Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN UDDA DETA.

RegardsKulbir Bains.On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr Kulbir,

 

I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am aware of

strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab.

 

No doubt that given excerpt is nice.

 

regards,

Lalit Mishra

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I will remove

your

> other doubts also.

> Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this system

> *AAGAAZ*

> *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM HUA;*

> *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''*

>

>

> It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man full

of

> enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material

tools of

> success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help but

try to

> succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the

results

> were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far under

> -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he was

> perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked him

to

> find the reason for this.

>

> He turned towards study of destiny.

>

>

> Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of

astrology

> it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but

destinies

> differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.

>

> In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid

pace;

> there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines

change;

> so how to depend on lines that change.

>

> Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine, earthquakes,

war,

> accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do the have

similar

> horoscopes and palms.

>

> The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification of

birth

> time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it didn't

give concrete

> information about the articles, companions that play a crucial role in

> outcome of destiny.

>

> *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen

observation

> * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul

enters the

> womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also accompanies

it. In

> the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic records'

graph

> influences the development of the brain, this development of brain, in

turn

> is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various

limbs and

> organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This karmic

graph

> can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the time

of

> birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary

influence

> also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives,

animate

> and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So

vaastu, face

> reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis, eating

habits,

> behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were synchronized

to see

> the pattern.

>

> Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to native's

advantage

> as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are

treated are

> unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the

results. Only

> some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter them:

But then

> also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the

divine

> person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.

>

> `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen "

>

> As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there is

no

> escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which

introduces

> with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much like

> mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for

protection for

> peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti''

>

> If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of fortune

and

> some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that

obstruction. But

> it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish, is not

promised.

> Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be

protected

> with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes to

attack

> the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of the

> native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will

increase

> it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or

catch hold

> of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by

fatigue

> and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab cannot be used

to

> harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in

establishing

> harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.

>

> Regards

>

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said

about

> > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every

thng seems

> > to be said by a spirit.//

> > May I know the exact point.

> > regards

> > Kulbir Bains.

> >

> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his predictions on

the

> >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd the same on my

and some

> >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

appliction.

> >>

> >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order to fit into

post

> >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to predict 5 future

event of

> >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, Once I

challanged either

> >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and he left our

group.

> >>

> >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in their

charts

> >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract

people from

> >> the right path and make some name for them.

> >>

> >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be

relied

> >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is

assessment of

> >> strength of a house and a planet.

> >>

> >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to understand impact of

> >> transit, again a limited application.

> >>

> >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about

10'th

> >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng

seems to be

> >> said by a spirit.

> >>

> >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.

> >>

> >> Lalit Mishra.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pt Sanjay,

 

This is true, Late Shri CS Patel was very honest in his presentation, he

said in his book and researches that more is yet to be discovered,

therefore we respect him a lot, such an honesty and accountability is

rare.

 

Surely, We have to follow Parashara and his path.

 

Thanks for the message.

 

Lalit Mishra.

 

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sjrath wrote:

>

> om gurave namah

> Dear Lalit

> If Late Dr. C.S.Patel has written in his book that the predictions

based on the Astakavarga do not come true, then it simply means that all

that he has written in his book on Astakavarga is to be used for

understand what does not work and what works. It cannot be used as a

*text* for learning the basics. It also means that he is not the

authority on the subject as then he would have given the authoritative

solution to the astakavarga.

> I can say that it works and in the future will provide the authority

for the same.

>

> You also have to decide what to use - Parashara or Varahamihira

>

> You are right on the other points. I have saying this for years now.

Keep the lamp burning.

> Best wishes

> Sanjay Rath

>

>

> litsol

> Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:42 AM

> sohamsa

> [soHamsa] Limitations of Ashtak Varaga - KAS or ANY BODY

>

>

>

>

> Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and

Nadi astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on

the basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my

and some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

appliction.

>

> That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order

to fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask

him to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will

get punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya

who runs his group and he left our group.

>

> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in their

charts has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract

people from the right path and make some name for them.

>

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be

relied upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is

assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

>

> Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious peopple

to understand impact of transit, again they have a limited application.

>

> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th

house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems

to be said by a spirit.

>

> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

>

> Lalit Mishra

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Kulbir,

 

What I speak, I speak with full authority and accountability, leave

cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two pages of a book is

enough to understand how'z the content.

 

You feel free to debate anything you are confident of.

 

That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, means that's the

ultimate truth.

 

regards,

Lalit Mishra.

 

 

 

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your intellectual faculty

but i

> am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system doesn't give you

the

> right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't give you a right

to

> comment.

> Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't display your half

baked

> rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 KISSI BAAT KO

AAZMANE

> SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR WAHAM KHADA KAR LENA

> MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA.

>

> page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI LADAKAPAN KI TABIYAT

WAALE

> NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK (APNE DAIYRE MEIN

MEHDOD)

> JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE BADSHAH (BEWAKOOF)

SE

> KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI SAATHIYON KO HASB E

HASIYAT IS

> ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI :- KAR BHALA -

HO

> BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA.

>

> POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE KISSI DOOSRE

ILLM YA

> AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE.

>

> THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI STATEMENT //Only Vedic

> Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN UDDA DETA.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Kulbir,

> >

> > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am aware of

> > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > No doubt that given excerpt is nice.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I will

remove

> > your

> > > other doubts also.

> > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this system

> > > *AAGAAZ*

> > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM HUA;*

> > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''*

> > >

> > >

> > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man

full

> > of

> > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material

> > tools of

> > > success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help

but

> > try to

> > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the

> > results

> > > were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far

under

> > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he

was

> > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked

him

> > to

> > > find the reason for this.

> > >

> > > He turned towards study of destiny.

> > >

> > >

> > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of

> > astrology

> > > it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but

> > destinies

> > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.

> > >

> > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid

> > pace;

> > > there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines

> > change;

> > > so how to depend on lines that change.

> > >

> > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine,

earthquakes,

> > war,

> > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do the

have

> > similar

> > > horoscopes and palms.

> > >

> > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification

of

> > birth

> > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it didn't

> > give concrete

> > > information about the articles, companions that play a crucial

role in

> > > outcome of destiny.

> > >

> > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen

> > observation

> > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul

> > enters the

> > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also

accompanies

> > it. In

> > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic

records'

> > graph

> > > influences the development of the brain, this development of

brain, in

> > turn

> > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various

> > limbs and

> > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This

karmic

> > graph

> > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the

time

> > of

> > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary

> > influence

> > > also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives,

> > animate

> > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So

> > vaastu, face

> > > reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis,

eating

> > habits,

> > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were

synchronized

> > to see

> > > the pattern.

> > >

> > > Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to native's

> > advantage

> > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are

> > treated are

> > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the

> > results. Only

> > > some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter

them:

> > But then

> > > also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the

> > divine

> > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.

> > >

> > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen "

> > >

> > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there

is

> > no

> > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which

> > introduces

> > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much

like

> > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for

> > protection for

> > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti''

> > >

> > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of

fortune

> > and

> > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that

> > obstruction. But

> > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish, is not

> > promised.

> > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be

> > protected

> > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes

to

> > attack

> > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of

the

> > > native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will

> > increase

> > > it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or

> > catch hold

> > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by

> > fatigue

> > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab cannot be

used

> > to

> > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in

> > establishing

> > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said

> > about

> > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every

> > thng seems

> > > > to be said by a spirit.//

> > > > May I know the exact point.

> > > > regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his predictions

on

> > the

> > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd the same

on my

> > and some

> > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> > appliction.

> > > >>

> > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order to fit

into

> > post

> > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to predict 5

future

> > event of

> > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, Once I

> > challanged either

> > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and he left

our

> > group.

> > > >>

> > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in

their

> > charts

> > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract

> > people from

> > > >> the right path and make some name for them.

> > > >>

> > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not

be

> > relied

> > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is

> > assessment of

> > > >> strength of a house and a planet.

> > > >>

> > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to understand

impact of

> > > >> transit, again a limited application.

> > > >>

> > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about

> > 10'th

> > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng

> > seems to be

> > > >> said by a spirit.

> > > >>

> > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.

> > > >>

> > > >> Lalit Mishra.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear lalit misra  ji;Fir hesitation kis baat ki; bata do na ki point kya hai. Lets debate on that point itself.

 Jigar Moradabadi says ;-vo kaafir aashanaa naa aashnaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii 

hamaari ibtadaa taa intahaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuiN bhiita'ajjub kyaa agar rasm-e-vafaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii 

ki husn-o-ishq kaa har masal'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhiikahii.n zarraa kahiin seharaa kahiin qataraa kahiin dariyaa 

muhabbat aur us kaa silasilaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhiivo mujhase puuchhate hain ek maqasad merii hastii kaa 

bataauu.N kyaa ki meraa mudd'aa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhiiham un se kyaa kahen vo jaane un kii maslahat jaane 

hamaaraa haal-e-dil to baramalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhiina paa lenaa teraa aasaa.N na kho denaa teraa mumakin 

musiibat mein ye jaan-e-mubtalaa yuuN bhii hai aur yuuN bhii

RegardsKulbir Bains.

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM, litsol <mishra.lalit wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr. Kulbir,

 

What I speak, I speak with full authority and accountability, leave

cursory reading, sometimes, even seeing one or two pages of a book is

enough to understand how'z the content.

 

You feel free to debate anything you are confident of.

 

That what I said is After a point Lal Kitab is wrong, means that's the

ultimate truth.

 

regards,

Lalit Mishra.

 

Vedic Astrologyandhealing , Kulbir Bains

<lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Lalit Misra ji, I am not questioning your intellectual faculty

but i

> am 100 percent sure that CURSURY study of any system doesn't give you

the

> right to comment. It is a CASUAL attitude and doesn't give you a right

to

> comment.

> Either prepare yourself for a full debate or don't display your half

baked

> rather un kneaded knowledge. PAGE 6. 1952 POINT NO. 4 KISSI BAAT KO

AAZMANE

> SE PEHLE OSE APNE JATI FAISLE SE GALAT SAMAJHKAR WAHAM KHADA KAR LENA

> MAZMOON KI WAQFIAT KE LIYE MADADGAR NA HOGA.

>

> page 7 1952 POINT NO.9 ;- ISME SHAQ NAHIN KI LADAKAPAN KI TABIYAT

WAALE

> NINDAK ( BADKHOI KARNE WAALA) AUR QUEN KA MENDAK (APNE DAIYRE MEIN

MEHDOD)

> JAISE DIMAGI MAALIK AUR MAKHAUL UDDANE WAALE BHOLE BADSHAH (BEWAKOOF)

SE

> KARAHAT AA HI JAYA KARTI HAI. MAGAR DUNIAAVI SAATHIYON KO HASB E

HASIYAT IS

> ILLM SE FAIDA PAHUNCHANA INSAANI SHARAFAT HOGI KYONKI :- KAR BHALA -

HO

> BHALA AAKHEER BHALE KA BHALA.

>

> POINT NO. 8 DICTAES - BAT KI ASLIYAT KO PAANE KE LIYE KISSI DOOSRE

ILLM YA

> AALIM KI BADKHOI SE PARHEJ CHAHIYE.

>

> THAT'S WHY i am stopping here; otherwise AAPKI STATEMENT //Only Vedic

> Astrology is eternal and wroks.// KI MAIN DHAJIYAN UDDA DETA.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 3:40 AM, litsol mishra.lalit wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Kulbir,

> >

> > I have had a cursory study of Lal Kitab last year and I am aware of

> > strong and weak points of content given in the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > No doubt that given excerpt is nice.

> >

> > regards,

> > Lalit Mishra

> > --- In

Vedic Astrologyandhealing <Vedic Astrologyandhealing%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> > Kulbir Bains

> >

> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalit Misra ji, First Read this, then comment, then I will

remove

> > your

> > > other doubts also.

> > > Basis of lalkitab sytem Part-1, the need to develop this system

> > > *AAGAAZ*

> > > *''HAATH REKHA KO SAMANDAR GINTE, NAZOOM FALLAK KA KAAM HUA;*

> > > *ILLM KYAFA DONO MILTE , ''LAL KITAB'' NAAM HUA.''*

> > >

> > >

> > > It has been explained in the book metaphorically, 1. a young man

full

> > of

> > > enthusiasm, infused with will power; having all possible material

> > tools of

> > > success at his disposal decided not to look for any divine help

but

> > try to

> > > succeed by the dint of his hard labour and efforts alone: but the

> > results

> > > were not as expected: instead he saw another person who was far

under

> > > -qualified ascending the ladder of success by leaps and bounds, he

was

> > > perplexed, cold sweat appeared on his forehead and his mind asked

him

> > to

> > > find the reason for this.

> > >

> > > He turned towards study of destiny.

> > >

> > >

> > > Astrology and Palmistry were the basic prevalent tools. In case of

> > astrology

> > > it was observed that so many people have identical horoscopes but

> > destinies

> > > differ. So much so that destinies of twins are not similar.

> > >

> > > In case of palmistry, lines of hand develop till 12 years at rapid

> > pace;

> > > there is less change after 18 years, only branches from main lines

> > change;

> > > so how to depend on lines that change.

> > >

> > > Then it was seen that in calamities like floods, famine,

earthquakes,

> > war,

> > > accidents, epidemics; thousands perish at the same time. Do the

have

> > similar

> > > horoscopes and palms.

> > >

> > > The biggest problem encountered with astrology was rectification

of

> > birth

> > > time; the palmistry portion's limitation was that it didn't

> > give concrete

> > > information about the articles, companions that play a crucial

role in

> > > outcome of destiny.

> > >

> > > *Deep meditation, concentration, elevated consciousness and keen

> > observation

> > > * led to the answer that; When (as per the divine scheme) a soul

> > enters the

> > > womb of the mother, the graph of its karmic record also

accompanies

> > it. In

> > > the first stage, the brain of the child develops, the karmic

records'

> > graph

> > > influences the development of the brain, this development of

brain, in

> > turn

> > > is instrumental in further extension i.e. giving shape to various

> > limbs and

> > > organs of the body: palm, lines and mounts on the palm. This

karmic

> > graph

> > > can also be deciphered by drawing a horoscope coinciding with the

time

> > of

> > > birth of the child. When a soul gets shape of a body the planetary

> > influence

> > > also manifests itself in the native's surroundings, his relatives,

> > animate

> > > and inanimate things that accompany or are to accompany him. So

> > vaastu, face

> > > reading, body structure, body language, handwriting analysis,

eating

> > habits,

> > > behavioural pattern, relatives, articles, etc. all were

synchronized

> > to see

> > > the pattern.

> > >

> > > Some of these karmic records' results can be moulded to native's

> > advantage

> > > as these are treated as suspicious: whereas to others which are

> > treated are

> > > unchangeable, the native is chained and is bound to suffer the

> > results. Only

> > > some person blessed with divine powers has the power to alter

them:

> > But then

> > > also the result will be there, it is altered in the sense that the

> > divine

> > > person who alters them transfers the effects unto himself.

> > >

> > > `'duniyaavee hisaab kitaab hai, koyee daawaa-e-khudayee naheen "

> > >

> > > As in mundane affairs, treatment of disease is possible but there

is

> > no

> > > escape from death; similarly astrology/jyotish is a subject which

> > introduces

> > > with the unknown/gaib. But it is no jaado mantar, it is very much

like

> > > mundane affairs, not some divine ordinance. It is a tool for

> > protection for

> > > peace of mind `' rooh ki shaanti''

> > >

> > > If the destiny promises benefices in the channel of stream of

fortune

> > and

> > > some obstruction is there. Lalkitab helps in removing that

> > obstruction. But

> > > it cannot deliver which ,as comprehended through jyotish, is not

> > promised.

> > > Of course if there is some danger/threat to the native he can be

> > protected

> > > with help of Lalkitab; explained metaphorically; if a lion comes

to

> > attack

> > > the native, this knowledge can create a wall for the protection of

the

> > > native; if the attack from lion becomes ferocious; the wall will

> > increase

> > > it's height for protection but neither will it shoot the lion or

> > catch hold

> > > of his legs; but with help of divine grace, the lion will yield by

> > fatigue

> > > and abandon the idea of attacking the native. Lalkitab cannot be

used

> > to

> > > harm others; rather it is a subject which will be helpful in

> > establishing

> > > harmonious relations between inimical tendencies.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Sir //Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said

> > about

> > > > 10'th house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every

> > thng seems

> > > > to be said by a spirit.//

> > > > May I know the exact point.

> > > > regards

> > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > >

> > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:36 AM, litsol mishra.lalit@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Late Sri CS Patel has written in his book that his predictions

on

> > the

> > > >> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checkd the same

on my

> > and some

> > > >> more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> > appliction.

> > > >>

> > > >> That KAS by doing manually adjusting Ashtaks in order to fit

into

> > post

> > > >> event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him to predict 5

future

> > event of

> > > >> any 5 people's life, the baloon will get punctured, Once I

> > challanged either

> > > >> to him or to his chief shishya who runs his group and he left

our

> > group.

> > > >>

> > > >> Astrologers like Rohini Ranjan who gets Guru-Chandaal yoga in

their

> > charts

> > > >> has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell lies to distract

> > people from

> > > >> the right path and make some name for them.

> > > >>

> > > >> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not

be

> > relied

> > > >> upon for accurate predictions, only use of ashtak verga is

> > assessment of

> > > >> strength of a house and a planet.

> > > >>

> > > >> Solar returns and Tajaka are crude attempts to understand

impact of

> > > >> transit, again a limited application.

> > > >>

> > > >> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about

> > 10'th

> > > >> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thng

> > seems to be

> > > >> said by a spirit.

> > > >>

> > > >> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and wroks.

> > > >>

> > > >> Lalit Mishra.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mishra JI,

 

what is KAS....are you FAN of KAS and spreading by taking name of such

system to create interest in others as well.....

 

Astak verge is well known and mostly gives better results when used with

Transists and Gochar and Dasha Ruler....

 

At any moment Nakshatra and Rashi are Fixed in sky only planet are

moving.....It is can be worth to see Rashi and Nakshatra...since they

are steady.....

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

 

 

utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

>

>

> Late Sri CS Patel who was an authority in Ashtak Verga, Navamsa and Nadi

> astrology has written in one of his book that his predictions on the

> basis of Ashtak Varga don't come true, I have checked the same on my and

> some more charts, This is true that Ashtak Varga has a very limited

> appliction.

>

> That KAS by manually adjustments in Ashtaks of known charts in order to

> fit his theory into post event analysis has become a buzz word. Ask him

> to predict 5 future event of any 5 people's life, the baloon will get

> punctured, Once I challanged either to him or to his chief shishya who

> runs his group and he was not seen in the group.

>

> Rahu influenced astrologers has only one agenda, confuse everybody, tell

> lies to distract people from the right path and make some name for them,

> this is how fan fare is created for false theories.

>

> Ashtak Varga is static in it's nature, therefore, It's can not be relied

> upon for accurate predictions, not it has potential, ashtak verga's

> little use is in assessment of strength of a house and a planet.

>

> Solar returns and Tajaka are inital crude attempts by curious

> astrologers to understand impact of transit, again they have very

> limited applications.

>

> Lal Kitab is wrong after a point, Just assess what's said about 10'th

> house for Jup in the light of real life's cases, not every thing seems

> to be said by a spirit.

>

> Only Vedic Astrology is eternal and it works universally.

>

> Lalit Mishra

>

>