Cross-divisional(Parasara's results for karakamsa..)

[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

Thank you for this information. It somehow opens up my understanding, and chart

becomes much more revealing, with just one piece of info, the sign of AK in

various divisional chart- and now when we add intensity of aspects, even more

so.

You also said: " Just like physical Sun is a physical point in this zodiac,

" navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa Sun " are *abstract* points in the very same zodiac,

placed at different points of the same zodiac-

I am wondering if those *abstract* points get affected by transit ?

You also say 'same zodiac'... Would you pls comment on this?

Thanks.

Anna

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

[vedic astrology] Cross-divisional links (Re: Parasara's results for

karakamsa..)

JyotishWritings , vedic astrology ,

 

Received: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 7:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Praveen ji,

 

You are absolutely right - one cannot ignore lagna and take karakamsa in a

vacuum, though we may focus on one parameter at a time for the ease of learning.

 

> Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

> it in Rasi.

 

That can be done too. I want to make one fundamental point today.

 

* * *

 

Parasara did not say that there is a rasi *chart*, a navamsa *chart*, a dasamsa

*chart* and so on. WE created them for convenience. Parasara only defined

" navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc, " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa

Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc and so on.

 

Physical Sun may be at 25Ar00. " navamsa Sun " may be at 15Sc00. " dasamsa Sun " may

be at 10Sg00. It is not that Sc occupied by " navamsa Sun " and Sg occupied by

" dasamsa Sun " are in some other zodiacs. There is only one zodiac, only one Ar,

only one Ta and so on. Just like physical Sun is a physical point in this

zodiac, " navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa Sun " are *abstract* points in the very same

zodiac, placed at different points of the same zodiac.

 

* * *

 

One can make a master chart plotting physical Sun, physical Moon, physical Mars

etc, " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc, " dasamsa Sun " , " dasamsa

Moon " , " dasamsa Mars " etc, ALL in the same chart. However, that would be too

crowded and confusing. So, for convenience, we collect all navamsa planets (and

lagna) in one chart, we collect all dasamsa planets (and lagna) in one chart,

and so on.

 

* * *

 

However, it does not mean that interaction between " navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa

Mercury " , for example, cannot be analyzed! Even though we represent them in

different charts, they exist it in the same zodiac and can interact. Let me

illustrate using simple examples.

 

For example, take Swami Vivekananda. His AmK (sense of purpose in life) Moon is

in 24Li18 in D-10 (work in the society). If you look for close aspects on him

from various vimsamsa planets, you will see that the highest aspect is from

vimsamsa Jupiter. Jupiter in D-20 at 20Ge25 has a 93.52% aspect on Moon in D-10

at 24Li18 (JHora 7.4 can be used for quantifying aspects based on Parasara's

teachings). Jupiter is the 3rd lord in D-20 and shows communications related to

spiritual matters. Thus, the sense of purpose in his work is influenced by his

ability to communicate spiritual matters.

 

Take Adolf Hitler. His AmK (sense of purpose in life) Mars is at 0Sg59 in D-10.

The highest aspect on him from trimsamsas planets is from trimsamsas Mars. Mars

in D-30 at 2Ge56 has 93.47% aspect on Mars in D-10 at 0Sg59. Mars in D-30 (chart

of evils) is the lagna lord in 3rd house showing aggressive and bold acts. His

sense of purpose in his work was influenced by bold and aggressive evils.

 

Take George Bush. His PK (sense of self-importance and following) is at 17Le11

in D-10. He has 97.88% aspect from Mars in D-12 at 14Aq39 and 92.55% aspect from

Sun in D-12 at 8Aq15. In D-12, Sun is the 9th lord and shows father. Mars is the

9th lord from the 9th house and shows father's fortune. His sense of

self-importance and following in career was influenced by his father and his

father's fortune.

 

Take Rajiv Gandhi. His PK (sense of self-importance and following) is at 22Li08

in D-10. He has 68.45% aspect from Mercury in D-12 at 12Cn23 and 66.88% aspect

from Venus in D-12 at 14Pi16. In D-12, Moon is stronger than lagna. The 4th lord

from Moon is Venus and shows mother. Mercury is is the 5th lord of power from

the 4th house from Moon. His sense of self-importance and following in career

was influenced by his mother and her power.

 

Take Dr B.V. Raman. His AmK (sense of purpose) Sun is at 11Cp46 in D-24 (chart

of knowledge). He has 99.69% aspect from Saturn at 11Ar24 in D-10. Saturn is the

9th and 10th lord in D-10. His sense of purpose in knowledge had a connection

with the work he did (10th) and dharma he upheld (9th) in his career (D-10).

 

* * *

 

What I am talking about is in the same spirit as concepts such as rasi tylya

navamsa and navamsa tulya rasi. Very close interactions between a planet in one

division and a planet in another division cannot be ignored and they mean

something.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, Praveen Agrawal <pkumar24@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Your write-up is certainly stimulating. Today, only a little of Jaimini is

> known and we have missed the vast treasure. The great Vemuri was a living

> legend to testify it.

>

> However, lagna is very important in each divisional chart too as Chara

> Karaka status of all the planets remain same for a few hours unless the Moon

> changes the hierarchy. Applying common sense, all persons born during the

> period spanning many hours can't have the same outlook. AK in 6th or 8th

> should certainly have a different meaning than AK in lagna or 9th. Thus,

> there may be two impressions, one for Rasi and the other for Bhava, Bhava

> being more important and Rasi giving it a certain colour. But, it is just my

> humble opinion.

>

> Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

> it in Rasi. Once I had raised this question to him too that span of

> Karakamsha lagna will exceed even the span of lagna (the time Moon takes to

> cross 3 degrees 20 minutes).

>

> Praveen Kumar

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

> > For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

> > karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa

> > in Li makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and

> > insects; karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red

> > corals, crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

> >

> > If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

> >

> > (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

> > deciding one's nature.

> > (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that

> > he told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from

> > D-10 (work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that

> > he told us to see from D-20 (spirituality) , things that he told us to see

> > from D-30 (evils and misfortune), etc.

> >

> > Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

> > occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts

> > and clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by

> > default means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given

> > that Parasara defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in

> > which amsa, we need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being

> > talked about. If one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

> >

> > By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is

> > clearly telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts

> > can be seen to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of

> > life. Also, the results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many

> > things in so many areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li

> > stands for so many things in so many area of life, in addition to business.

> > And so on.

> >

> > A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's

> > purpose is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this

> > is I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom,

> > then this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

> >

> > AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

> > " this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as

> > a minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and

> > drives one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in

> > Ar in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life

> > in a gritty and driven way.

> >

> > Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests

> > in professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his

> > sense of purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and

> > communications.

> >

> > Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

> > innovation based profession.

> >

> > George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

> >

> > Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession

> > as an intellectual.

> >

> > Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

> > send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

> >

> > Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a proud being.

> >

> > Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit,

> > while Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and

> > perseverance, much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self

> > manifested in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense

> > sadhanas and distributed the fruits to others later.

> >

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

> > intense sadhanas.

> >

> > Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

> > spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

> >

> > Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > his spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

> >

> > Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > his spiritual life as a high philosopher.

> >

> > A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple

> > of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast

> > caused by a suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining

> > consciousness was about the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20

> > and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

> >

> > Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self

> > manifested in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

> >

> > One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and

> > so day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes

> > problems, you have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on

> > horoscope etc) has AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > spiritual life as a seeker of formulas and rules.

> >

> > Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied

> > by AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based

> > on each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in

> > THAT area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara

> > carefully. The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing

> > Parasara.

> >

> > However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

> > sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Narasimha,

 

Thank you for this information. It somehow opens up my understanding, and chart

becomes much more revealing, with just one piece of info, the sign of AK in

various divisional chart- and now when we add intensity of aspects, even more

so.

You also said: " Just like physical Sun is a physical point in this zodiac,

" navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa Sun " are *abstract* points in the very same zodiac,

placed at different points of the same zodiac-

I am wondering if those *abstract* points get affected by transit ?

You also say 'same zodiac'... Would you pls comment on this?

Thanks.

Anna

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 4/3/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

[vedic astrology] Cross-divisional links (Re: Parasara's results for

karakamsa..)

JyotishWritings , vedic astrology ,

 

Received: Saturday, April 3, 2010, 7:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Praveen ji,

 

You are absolutely right - one cannot ignore lagna and take karakamsa in a

vacuum, though we may focus on one parameter at a time for the ease of learning.

 

> Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

> it in Rasi.

 

That can be done too. I want to make one fundamental point today.

 

* * *

 

Parasara did not say that there is a rasi *chart*, a navamsa *chart*, a dasamsa

*chart* and so on. WE created them for convenience. Parasara only defined

" navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc, " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa

Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc and so on.

 

Physical Sun may be at 25Ar00. " navamsa Sun " may be at 15Sc00. " dasamsa Sun " may

be at 10Sg00. It is not that Sc occupied by " navamsa Sun " and Sg occupied by

" dasamsa Sun " are in some other zodiacs. There is only one zodiac, only one Ar,

only one Ta and so on. Just like physical Sun is a physical point in this

zodiac, " navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa Sun " are *abstract* points in the very same

zodiac, placed at different points of the same zodiac.

 

* * *

 

One can make a master chart plotting physical Sun, physical Moon, physical Mars

etc, " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc, " dasamsa Sun " , " dasamsa

Moon " , " dasamsa Mars " etc, ALL in the same chart. However, that would be too

crowded and confusing. So, for convenience, we collect all navamsa planets (and

lagna) in one chart, we collect all dasamsa planets (and lagna) in one chart,

and so on.

 

* * *

 

However, it does not mean that interaction between " navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa

Mercury " , for example, cannot be analyzed! Even though we represent them in

different charts, they exist it in the same zodiac and can interact. Let me

illustrate using simple examples.

 

For example, take Swami Vivekananda. His AmK (sense of purpose in life) Moon is

in 24Li18 in D-10 (work in the society). If you look for close aspects on him

from various vimsamsa planets, you will see that the highest aspect is from

vimsamsa Jupiter. Jupiter in D-20 at 20Ge25 has a 93.52% aspect on Moon in D-10

at 24Li18 (JHora 7.4 can be used for quantifying aspects based on Parasara's

teachings). Jupiter is the 3rd lord in D-20 and shows communications related to

spiritual matters. Thus, the sense of purpose in his work is influenced by his

ability to communicate spiritual matters.

 

Take Adolf Hitler. His AmK (sense of purpose in life) Mars is at 0Sg59 in D-10.

The highest aspect on him from trimsamsas planets is from trimsamsas Mars. Mars

in D-30 at 2Ge56 has 93.47% aspect on Mars in D-10 at 0Sg59. Mars in D-30 (chart

of evils) is the lagna lord in 3rd house showing aggressive and bold acts. His

sense of purpose in his work was influenced by bold and aggressive evils.

 

Take George Bush. His PK (sense of self-importance and following) is at 17Le11

in D-10. He has 97.88% aspect from Mars in D-12 at 14Aq39 and 92.55% aspect from

Sun in D-12 at 8Aq15. In D-12, Sun is the 9th lord and shows father. Mars is the

9th lord from the 9th house and shows father's fortune. His sense of

self-importance and following in career was influenced by his father and his

father's fortune.

 

Take Rajiv Gandhi. His PK (sense of self-importance and following) is at 22Li08

in D-10. He has 68.45% aspect from Mercury in D-12 at 12Cn23 and 66.88% aspect

from Venus in D-12 at 14Pi16. In D-12, Moon is stronger than lagna. The 4th lord

from Moon is Venus and shows mother. Mercury is is the 5th lord of power from

the 4th house from Moon. His sense of self-importance and following in career

was influenced by his mother and her power.

 

Take Dr B.V. Raman. His AmK (sense of purpose) Sun is at 11Cp46 in D-24 (chart

of knowledge). He has 99.69% aspect from Saturn at 11Ar24 in D-10. Saturn is the

9th and 10th lord in D-10. His sense of purpose in knowledge had a connection

with the work he did (10th) and dharma he upheld (9th) in his career (D-10).

 

* * *

 

What I am talking about is in the same spirit as concepts such as rasi tylya

navamsa and navamsa tulya rasi. Very close interactions between a planet in one

division and a planet in another division cannot be ignored and they mean

something.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom

Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

 

, Praveen Agrawal <pkumar24@.. .> wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Your write-up is certainly stimulating. Today, only a little of Jaimini is

> known and we have missed the vast treasure. The great Vemuri was a living

> legend to testify it.

>

> However, lagna is very important in each divisional chart too as Chara

> Karaka status of all the planets remain same for a few hours unless the Moon

> changes the hierarchy. Applying common sense, all persons born during the

> period spanning many hours can't have the same outlook. AK in 6th or 8th

> should certainly have a different meaning than AK in lagna or 9th. Thus,

> there may be two impressions, one for Rasi and the other for Bhava, Bhava

> being more important and Rasi giving it a certain colour. But, it is just my

> humble opinion.

>

> Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

> it in Rasi. Once I had raised this question to him too that span of

> Karakamsha lagna will exceed even the span of lagna (the time Moon takes to

> cross 3 degrees 20 minutes).

>

> Praveen Kumar

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

> > For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

> > karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa

> > in Li makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and

> > insects; karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red

> > corals, crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

> >

> > If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

> >

> > (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

> > deciding one's nature.

> > (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that

> > he told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from

> > D-10 (work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that

> > he told us to see from D-20 (spirituality) , things that he told us to see

> > from D-30 (evils and misfortune), etc.

> >

> > Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

> > occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts

> > and clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by

> > default means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given

> > that Parasara defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in

> > which amsa, we need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being

> > talked about. If one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

> >

> > By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is

> > clearly telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts

> > can be seen to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of

> > life. Also, the results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many

> > things in so many areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li

> > stands for so many things in so many area of life, in addition to business.

> > And so on.

> >

> > A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's

> > purpose is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this

> > is I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom,

> > then this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

> >

> > AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

> > " this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as

> > a minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and

> > drives one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in

> > Ar in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life

> > in a gritty and driven way.

> >

> > Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests

> > in professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his

> > sense of purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and

> > communications.

> >

> > Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

> > innovation based profession.

> >

> > George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

> >

> > Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession

> > as an intellectual.

> >

> > Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

> > send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

> >

> > Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a proud being.

> >

> > Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit,

> > while Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and

> > perseverance, much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self

> > manifested in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense

> > sadhanas and distributed the fruits to others later.

> >

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

> > intense sadhanas.

> >

> > Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

> > spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

> >

> > Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > his spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

> >

> > Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > his spiritual life as a high philosopher.

> >

> > A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple

> > of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast

> > caused by a suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining

> > consciousness was about the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20

> > and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

> >

> > Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self

> > manifested in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

> >

> > One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and

> > so day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes

> > problems, you have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on

> > horoscope etc) has AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > spiritual life as a seeker of formulas and rules.

> >

> > Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied

> > by AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based

> > on each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in

> > THAT area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara

> > carefully. The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing

> > Parasara.

> >

> > However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

> > sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste Praveen ji,

 

You are absolutely right - one cannot ignore lagna and take karakamsa in a

vacuum, though we may focus on one parameter at a time for the ease of learning.

 

> Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

> it in Rasi.

 

That can be done too. I want to make one fundamental point today.

 

* * *

 

Parasara did not say that there is a rasi *chart*, a navamsa *chart*, a dasamsa

*chart* and so on. WE created them for convenience. Parasara only defined

" navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc, " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa

Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc and so on.

 

Physical Sun may be at 25Ar00. " navamsa Sun " may be at 15Sc00. " dasamsa Sun " may

be at 10Sg00. It is not that Sc occupied by " navamsa Sun " and Sg occupied by

" dasamsa Sun " are in some other zodiacs. There is only one zodiac, only one Ar,

only one Ta and so on. Just like physical Sun is a physical point in this

zodiac, " navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa Sun " are *abstract* points in the very same

zodiac, placed at different points of the same zodiac.

 

* * *

 

One can make a master chart plotting physical Sun, physical Moon, physical Mars

etc, " navamsa Sun " , " navamsa Moon " , " navamsa Mars " etc, " dasamsa Sun " , " dasamsa

Moon " , " dasamsa Mars " etc, ALL in the same chart. However, that would be too

crowded and confusing. So, for convenience, we collect all navamsa planets (and

lagna) in one chart, we collect all dasamsa planets (and lagna) in one chart,

and so on.

 

* * *

 

However, it does not mean that interaction between " navamsa Sun " and " dasamsa

Mercury " , for example, cannot be analyzed! Even though we represent them in

different charts, they exist it in the same zodiac and can interact. Let me

illustrate using simple examples.

 

For example, take Swami Vivekananda. His AmK (sense of purpose in life) Moon is

in 24Li18 in D-10 (work in the society). If you look for close aspects on him

from various vimsamsa planets, you will see that the highest aspect is from

vimsamsa Jupiter. Jupiter in D-20 at 20Ge25 has a 93.52% aspect on Moon in D-10

at 24Li18 (JHora 7.4 can be used for quantifying aspects based on Parasara's

teachings). Jupiter is the 3rd lord in D-20 and shows communications related to

spiritual matters. Thus, the sense of purpose in his work is influenced by his

ability to communicate spiritual matters.

 

Take Adolf Hitler. His AmK (sense of purpose in life) Mars is at 0Sg59 in D-10.

The highest aspect on him from trimsamsas planets is from trimsamsas Mars. Mars

in D-30 at 2Ge56 has 93.47% aspect on Mars in D-10 at 0Sg59. Mars in D-30 (chart

of evils) is the lagna lord in 3rd house showing aggressive and bold acts. His

sense of purpose in his work was influenced by bold and aggressive evils.

 

Take George Bush. His PK (sense of self-importance and following) is at 17Le11

in D-10. He has 97.88% aspect from Mars in D-12 at 14Aq39 and 92.55% aspect from

Sun in D-12 at 8Aq15. In D-12, Sun is the 9th lord and shows father. Mars is the

9th lord from the 9th house and shows father's fortune. His sense of

self-importance and following in career was influenced by his father and his

father's fortune.

 

Take Rajiv Gandhi. His PK (sense of self-importance and following) is at 22Li08

in D-10. He has 68.45% aspect from Mercury in D-12 at 12Cn23 and 66.88% aspect

from Venus in D-12 at 14Pi16. In D-12, Moon is stronger than lagna. The 4th lord

from Moon is Venus and shows mother. Mercury is is the 5th lord of power from

the 4th house from Moon. His sense of self-importance and following in career

was influenced by his mother and her power.

 

Take Dr B.V. Raman. His AmK (sense of purpose) Sun is at 11Cp46 in D-24 (chart

of knowledge). He has 99.69% aspect from Saturn at 11Ar24 in D-10. Saturn is the

9th and 10th lord in D-10. His sense of purpose in knowledge had a connection

with the work he did (10th) and dharma he upheld (9th) in his career (D-10).

 

* * *

 

What I am talking about is in the same spirit as concepts such as rasi tylya

navamsa and navamsa tulya rasi. Very close interactions between a planet in one

division and a planet in another division cannot be ignored and they mean

something.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, Praveen Agrawal <pkumar24 wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha,

>

> Your write-up is certainly stimulating. Today, only a little of Jaimini is

> known and we have missed the vast treasure. The great Vemuri was a living

> legend to testify it.

>

> However, lagna is very important in each divisional chart too as Chara

> Karaka status of all the planets remain same for a few hours unless the Moon

> changes the hierarchy. Applying common sense, all persons born during the

> period spanning many hours can't have the same outlook. AK in 6th or 8th

> should certainly have a different meaning than AK in lagna or 9th. Thus,

> there may be two impressions, one for Rasi and the other for Bhava, Bhava

> being more important and Rasi giving it a certain colour. But, it is just my

> humble opinion.

>

> Shri K.N.Rao takes Karakamsha as the sign occupied by AK in Navamsa and uses

> it in Rasi. Once I had raised this question to him too that span of

> Karakamsha lagna will exceed even the span of lagna (the time Moon takes to

> cross 3 degrees 20 minutes).

>

> Praveen Kumar

>

> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> > Namaste friends,

> >

> > Parasara described the results of karakamsa being in various signs in BPHS.

> > For example, karakamsa in Ar gives fear from rats and cats in the house;

> > karakamsa in Ta gives comforts from animals (good vehicles etc); karakamsa

> > in Li makes one a businessman; karakamsa in Sc gives fear from snakes and

> > insects; karakamsa in Cp gives business related to conches, pearls, red

> > corals, crocodiles etc; karakamsa in Pi gives spiritual progress; and so on.

> >

> > If one parses all the results, two things stand out:

> >

> > (1) The inherent nature of the sign occupied by karakamsa has a role in

> > deciding one's nature.

> > (2) The results given by Parasara cover various areas of life, things that

> > he told us to see from D-4 (fortune), things that he told us to see from

> > D-10 (work), things that he told us to see from D-16 (comforts), things that

> > he told us to see from D-20 (spirituality), things that he told us to see

> > from D-30 (evils and misfortune), etc.

> >

> > Factor (2) above makes it obvious that Parasara did not mean " the sign

> > occupied by AK in navamsa " by " karakamsa " . Parasara defined 16 amsa charts

> > and clearly outlined the matters seen in each chart. He never said " amsa " by

> > default means " navamsa " , though that is the common convention today. Given

> > that Parasara defined many amsas and clearly defined which matters to see in

> > which amsa, we need to choose an appropriate amsa based on the result being

> > talked about. If one applies oneself a little, this will be quite obvious.

> >

> > By giving a variety of samples covering various matters, Parasara is

> > clearly telling us that the sign occupied by AK in various divisional charts

> > can be seen to get an idea about the basic personality in various areas of

> > life. Also, the results given by him are samples only. Ar stands for so many

> > things in so many areas of life, in addition to fear from rats and cats. Li

> > stands for so many things in so many area of life, in addition to business.

> > And so on.

> >

> > A rishi gives philosophy and outlines just a few examples. A rishi's

> > purpose is not to spoonfeed, but to enable one to think!!

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > AK (chara atma karaka) is one's sense of self, the sense of I-ness ( " this

> > is I " ). If one's existence as an entity separate from Aatman is a kingdom,

> > then this I-ness is the king. That is why Parasara calls AK the king.

> >

> > AmK (chara amatya karaka) is one's sense of purpose in life, the sense of

> > " this is what I need to do " . That is why AmK is equated to minister. Just as

> > a minister counsels a king, one's sense of purpose in life counsels and

> > drives one's I-ness to engage in various actions.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Driven businessmen like Ramakrishna Dalmia and Dhirubhai Ambani had AK in

> > Ar in D-10, showing that their sense of self manifests in professional life

> > in a gritty and driven way.

> >

> > Bill Gates has AK in Cn in D-10, showing that his sense of self manifests

> > in professional life in a creative way. His AmK is in Ge in D-10 and his

> > sense of purpose in profession is related to intellectual work and

> > communications.

> >

> > Henry Ford had AK in Aq in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in an

> > innovation based profession.

> >

> > George Bush had AK in Sg in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a deep and fiery sense of dharma (duty).

> >

> > Nehru had AK in Vi in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in profession

> > as an intellectual.

> >

> > Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee also had AK in Vi (it was Mercury!) and his sense of

> > send manifested in profession as an intellectual and scholar.

> >

> > Bobby Fischer had AK in Le in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a proud being.

> >

> > Mahatma Gandhi had his AK in Cp in D-10 and his sense of self manifested in

> > profession as a steady, patient and firm persistence (Ar shows fiery grit,

> > while Cp owned by Saturn - where Mars is exalted - shows persistence and

> > perseverance, much like its Sanskrit name makara or crocodile).

> >

> > Ramakrishna Paramahamsa had AK in Cp in D-20 and his sense of self

> > manifested in spiritual life as steady and firm persistence. He did intense

> > sadhanas and distributed the fruits to others later.

> >

> > Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati also had the same thing and he is known for

> > intense sadhanas.

> >

> > Sarada Mata had AK in Ta in D-20 and her sense of self manifested in her

> > spiritual life as pragmatism, kindness, compassion and hard work.

> >

> > Swami Vivekananda had AK in Pi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > his spiritual life as wisdom in an elevated state.

> >

> > Ramana maharshi had AK in Aq in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > his spiritual life as a high philosopher.

> >

> > A compassionate saint like Swami Trigunatitananda (he was a direct disciple

> > of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. On being seriously injured in a bomb blast

> > caused by a suicide bomber, the first thing he asked after regaining

> > consciousness was about the well-being of the bomber!) has AK in Cn in D-20

> > and his sense of self manifested in spiritual life as compassion.

> >

> > Paramahamsa Nithyananda has AK in Ge in D-20 and his sense of self

> > manifested in spiritual life as an eloquent communicator.

> >

> > One famous astrologer who emphasizes complex rules (e.g. fasting on so and

> > so day angers Vishnu, using so and so mala for so and so deity causes

> > problems, you have to pick a mantra with correct number of letters based on

> > horoscope etc) has AK in Vi in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > spiritual life as a seeker of formulas and rules.

> >

> > Baba Muktananda had AK in Sc in D-20 and his sense of self manifested in

> > spiritual life as a tantrik and mystic (giving shaktipath etc).

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > It is my opinion that " sign occupied by karakamsa " means the sign occupied

> > by AK in ANY divisional chart and not just navamsa. For each karakamsa based

> > on each divisional chart, you know something about the basic personality in

> > THAT area of life. This is actually quite obvious if you parse Parasara

> > carefully. The above examples illustrate the philosophy extracted by parsing

> > Parasara.

> >

> > However, please note that only some basic points can be made based on the

> > sign. We really need to look at other planetary influences too.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha