Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in Vedic Astrology - BPHS and Classics

[Guest guest]

BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D chart and

it gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

WITHIN

RASHIS.

 

Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of doing

accurate predictions.

 

In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect and out of context

interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity and in

the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

 

In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challenge every body, every

school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate and use amshas

in the correct manner, in a manner it helps improving quality of your

predictions.

 

You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in support of

your's statements.

 

Best Wishes

[Guest guest]

BPHS does not " TALK " ! :-)

 

....

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

> BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D chart and

> it gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> WITHIN

> RASHIS.

>

> Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of doing

> accurate predictions.

>

> In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect and out of context

> interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity and in

> the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

>

> In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challenge every body, every

> school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate and use amshas

> in the correct manner, in a manner it helps improving quality of your

> predictions.

>

> You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in support of

> your's statements.

>

> Best Wishes

>

[Guest guest]

Read carefully that what I said -

 

BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts and

gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS WITHIN

RASHIS

 

------- --

 

Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments out

of changed statement, your's is another example.

 

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal,

>

> I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall not

be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

>

> Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

and

> > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

WITHIN

> > RASHIS.

> >

> > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of doing

> > accurate predictions.

> >

> > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity and

in

> > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> >

> > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every body,

every

> > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> >

> > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in support

of

> > your's statements.

> >

> > Best Wishes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

BPHS doesn't TALK to you :-), It knows - no use talking to Rahu.

 

 

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> BPHS does not " TALK " ! :-)

>

> ...

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D chart

and

> > it gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> > WITHIN

> > RASHIS.

> >

> > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of doing

> > accurate predictions.

> >

> > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect and out of context

> > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity and

in

> > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> >

> > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challenge every body,

every

> > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate and use

amshas

> > in the correct manner, in a manner it helps improving quality of

your

> > predictions.

> >

> > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in support

of

> > your's statements.

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Expand amsas for better understanding and they look like charts, give them names

of D or such and such amsa.

 

Simple thing, where is debate here? Waste of time.

 

 

-Utkal

 

--- On Sun, 4/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:

 

 

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in Vedic

Astrology - BPHS and Classics

 

Sunday, 4 April, 2010, 4:22 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Read carefully that what I said -

 

BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts and

gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS WITHIN

RASHIS

 

------- --

 

Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments out

of changed statement, your's is another example.

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex > wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal,

>

> I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall not

be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

>

> Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

and

> > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

WITHIN

> > RASHIS.

> >

> > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of doing

> > accurate predictions.

> >

> > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity and

in

> > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> >

> > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every body,

every

> > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> >

> > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in support

of

> > your's statements.

> >

> > Best Wishes.

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal,

Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only Amsas are

good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

 

D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you understand the

beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they shall work effectively,

same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

 

regds

Dev

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

> Read carefully that what I said -

>

> BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts and

> gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS WITHIN

> RASHIS

>

> ------- --

>

> Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments out

> of changed statement, your's is another example.

>

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utkal,

> >

> > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall not

> be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

> mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

> >

> > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

> and

> > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> WITHIN

> > > RASHIS.

> > >

> > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of doing

> > > accurate predictions.

> > >

> > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity and

> in

> > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> > >

> > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every body,

> every

> > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> > >

> > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in support

> of

> > > your's statements.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees or

any fraction of degrees.

 

These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find Saturn

in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of Navamsa,

you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

 

This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

publishing.

 

I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in the

right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

your's predictive ability impacted.

 

And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek your's

betterment.

 

Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

loose capability of doing predictions.

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal,

> Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

> Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

>

> D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

>

> regds

> Dev

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Read carefully that what I said -

> >

> > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

and

> > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

WITHIN

> > RASHIS

> >

> > ------- --

> >

> > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments

out

> > of changed statement, your's is another example.

> >

> >

> > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Utkal,

> > >

> > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall

not

> > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

> > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

> > >

> > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

charts

> > and

> > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> > WITHIN

> > > > RASHIS.

> > > >

> > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

doing

> > > > accurate predictions.

> > > >

> > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity

and

> > in

> > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> > > >

> > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

body,

> > every

> > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

support

> > of

> > > > your's statements.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear UP jee,

 

You are hurting, obviously, but let us say things change and the one that is

hurting begins to gain after mid june 2010 -- will his perspective change?

 

Or will he remain steadfastly welded to Jupiter?

 

Let us wait till mid-june -- it is only 2 months down the road!

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

> When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

> yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

> aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

> taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees or

> any fraction of degrees.

>

> These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find Saturn

> in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of Navamsa,

> you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

> chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

>

> This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

> analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

> publishing.

>

> I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in the

> right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

> your's predictive ability impacted.

>

> And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek your's

> betterment.

>

> Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

> loose capability of doing predictions.

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utkal,

> > Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

> > Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

> Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

> >

> > D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

> understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

> shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Read carefully that what I said -

> > >

> > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

> and

> > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> WITHIN

> > > RASHIS

> > >

> > > ------- --

> > >

> > > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments

> out

> > > of changed statement, your's is another example.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal,

> > > >

> > > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall

> not

> > > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

> > > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

> > > >

> > > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

> charts

> > > and

> > > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> > > WITHIN

> > > > > RASHIS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

> doing

> > > > > accurate predictions.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity

> and

> > > in

> > > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

> body,

> > > every

> > > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

> support

> > > of

> > > > > your's statements.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal,

 

You do not know many things ,

 

Actualy Parashara was having modern Astrologers in mind , he was aware that

they will be able to do the tedious calculations for Ashtak Varga on the

Divisions of Rashi Chart , could calculate the strength and as well as on

Diviosns, the astrology is in fact for the Software Engineers and is not

meant for the Village Astrologers.

 

Ramdev proved what is Yoga ? Instead of defending yourself why not prove

yourself .

 

I want to ask how many Astrologers had used it and relied when death was at

stake for your child, wife or son.

 

When, job, reputation or your own arrest could have happen , or when a team

of Doctors oppose you and you bet your sister or wife life.

 

Apply it in your own life and then tell others.

 

I am writing this because I had done this without doing or looking at the

Divisional Charts aspects or anything else but Bhrighu Transit , Rashi and

Bhava reading.

 

I will narrate an instance, a couple with a managerial position person on

21st Jan enquired about the Delivery of their 1st child , the Apollo

Hospital team asked them to visit on 7th Feb 2010 , against the due date of

15th feb 2010.

 

I calculated and said that by no means I see the delivery beyond 31st Jan

mid day times, and the pain shall start on 30 Jan and you will have to admit

the expected mother on 30 Jan, I warned that I am telling what I am seeing

but do not have faith on it , move to Appolo Hospital only if the pains

starts , and the delivery is normal.

 

The woman was a firm believer on me but the husband do not believe it.

 

The same thing happen the labor pains begins on 30 Jan though very mild and

could not be judged as labor pains . They moved to the Hospital around 100

miles to their residence, the Doctor surprised, that the pains were labor

pains though of very low intensity, you are safe due to your decision of

coming to Hospital. Then they told about me and Astrology , the Doctor was

surprised that if such a science exists. The child take birth on 31st at

around 1 pm by normal delivery.

 

A head of department of one of IIT enquired about his daughter recently, on

phone I told about his daughter, him and his wife, he was surprised if so

many things could be told , and I have another case of children from another

HOD of IIT .

 

Khushwant Singh is against Astrology , I thought once to protest him, a

great Judiciary Officer hearing my view, asked me to serve those who believe

in it, rather than to waste my time on fools .

 

So grow by giving something practical .

 

With Best Wishes,

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of utkal.panigrahi

05 April, 2010 9:07 PM

 

Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in Vedic

Astrology - BPHS and Classics

 

 

 

 

 

 

When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees or

any fraction of degrees.

 

These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find Saturn

in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of Navamsa,

you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

 

This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

publishing.

 

I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in the

right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

your's predictive ability impacted.

 

And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek your's

betterment.

 

Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

loose capability of doing predictions.

 

<%40>

, " axeplex " <axeplex wrote:

>

> Dear Utkal,

> Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

> Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

>

> D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

>

> regds

> Dev

>

>

<%40> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Read carefully that what I said -

> >

> > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

and

> > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

WITHIN

> > RASHIS

> >

> > ------- --

> >

> > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments

out

> > of changed statement, your's is another example.

> >

> >

> >

<%40> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Utkal,

> > >

> > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall

not

> > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

> > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

> > >

> > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

> > >

> > > regds

> > > Dev

> > >

> > >

<%40> , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

charts

> > and

> > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> > WITHIN

> > > > RASHIS.

> > > >

> > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

doing

> > > > accurate predictions.

> > > >

> > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity

and

> > in

> > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> > > >

> > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

body,

> > every

> > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> > > >

> > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

support

> > of

> > > > your's statements.

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

My dear Utkal, please find my answers to your points one by one.

 

// Parashara and other Sages never taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20

degrees or 3.0 degrees or any fraction of degrees. //

 

My answer: I wish Prasara or Sages would have taught us but unfortunately, they

have only given us their books. So, no comments on this.

 

// These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find Saturn in

Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of Navamsa, you

consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna chart's 3'rd

house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house. //

 

My answer: Produce a practical live chart and then discuss

 

// This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

publishing.//

 

My answer: Refere my above answer, let us discuss it practically how you use

Amsas.

 

// I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in the right

direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only your's predictive

ability impacted. //

 

My answer: First let us know that we are on wrong path, dear.

 

 

regds

Dev

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

> When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

> yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

> aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

> taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees or

> any fraction of degrees.

>

> These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find Saturn

> in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of Navamsa,

> you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

> chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

>

> This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

> analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

> publishing.

>

> I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in the

> right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

> your's predictive ability impacted.

>

> And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek your's

> betterment.

>

> Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

> loose capability of doing predictions.

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utkal,

> > Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

> > Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

> Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

> >

> > D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

> understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

> shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Read carefully that what I said -

> > >

> > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

> and

> > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> WITHIN

> > > RASHIS

> > >

> > > ------- --

> > >

> > > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments

> out

> > > of changed statement, your's is another example.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal,

> > > >

> > > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall

> not

> > > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

> > > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

> > > >

> > > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

> > > >

> > > > regds

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

> charts

> > > and

> > > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

> > > WITHIN

> > > > > RASHIS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

> doing

> > > > > accurate predictions.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

> > > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity

> and

> > > in

> > > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

> body,

> > > every

> > > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

> > > > >

> > > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

> support

> > > of

> > > > > your's statements.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best Wishes.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Inder Bhai

its such a pleasure to read such true life events. 

you are practical in your approach rather than beating about the bush with

theories and more theories.

god bless you with success

mahalakshmi

 

--- On Tue, 6/4/10, Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni wrote:

 

Inder Jit Sahni <inder_jit_sahni

RE: Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in Vedic

Astrology - BPHS and Classics

 

Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 11:40 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Utkal,

 

 

 

You do not know many things ,

 

 

 

Actualy Parashara was having modern Astrologers in mind , he was aware that

 

they will be able to do the tedious calculations for Ashtak Varga on the

 

Divisions of Rashi Chart , could calculate the strength and as well as on

 

Diviosns, the astrology is in fact for the Software Engineers and is not

 

meant for the Village Astrologers.

 

 

 

Ramdev proved what is Yoga ? Instead of defending yourself why not prove

 

yourself .

 

 

 

I want to ask how many Astrologers had used it and relied when death was at

 

stake for your child, wife or son.

 

 

 

When, job, reputation or your own arrest could have happen , or when a team

 

of Doctors oppose you and you bet your sister or wife life.

 

 

 

Apply it in your own life and then tell others.

 

 

 

I am writing this because I had done this without doing or looking at the

 

Divisional Charts aspects or anything else but Bhrighu Transit , Rashi and

 

Bhava reading.

 

 

 

I will narrate an instance, a couple with a managerial position person on

 

21st Jan enquired about the Delivery of their 1st child , the Apollo

 

Hospital team asked them to visit on 7th Feb 2010 , against the due date of

 

15th feb 2010.

 

 

 

I calculated and said that by no means I see the delivery beyond 31st Jan

 

mid day times, and the pain shall start on 30 Jan and you will have to admit

 

the expected mother on 30 Jan, I warned that I am telling what I am seeing

 

but do not have faith on it , move to Appolo Hospital only if the pains

 

starts , and the delivery is normal.

 

 

 

The woman was a firm believer on me but the husband do not believe it.

 

 

 

The same thing happen the labor pains begins on 30 Jan though very mild and

 

could not be judged as labor pains . They moved to the Hospital around 100

 

miles to their residence, the Doctor surprised, that the pains were labor

 

pains though of very low intensity, you are safe due to your decision of

 

coming to Hospital. Then they told about me and Astrology , the Doctor was

 

surprised that if such a science exists. The child take birth on 31st at

 

around 1 pm by normal delivery.

 

 

 

A head of department of one of IIT enquired about his daughter recently, on

 

phone I told about his daughter, him and his wife, he was surprised if so

 

many things could be told , and I have another case of children from another

 

HOD of IIT .

 

 

 

Khushwant Singh is against Astrology , I thought once to protest him, a

 

great Judiciary Officer hearing my view, asked me to serve those who believe

 

in it, rather than to waste my time on fools .

 

 

 

So grow by giving something practical .

 

 

 

With Best Wishes,

 

 

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

[] On

 

Behalf Of utkal.panigrahi

 

05 April, 2010 9:07 PM

 

 

 

Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in Vedic

 

Astrology - BPHS and Classics

 

 

 

When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

 

yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

 

aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

 

taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees or

 

any fraction of degrees.

 

 

 

These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find Saturn

 

in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of Navamsa,

 

you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

 

chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

 

 

 

This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

 

analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

 

publishing.

 

 

 

I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in the

 

right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

 

your's predictive ability impacted.

 

 

 

And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek your's

 

betterment.

 

 

 

Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

 

loose capability of doing predictions.

 

 

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com>

 

, " axeplex " <axeplex > wrote:

 

>

 

> Dear Utkal,

 

> Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

 

> Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

 

Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

 

>

 

> D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

 

understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

 

shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

 

>

 

> regds

 

> Dev

 

>

 

>

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

 

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

 

> >

 

> >

 

> > Read carefully that what I said -

 

> >

 

> > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D charts

 

and

 

> > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

 

WITHIN

 

> > RASHIS

 

> >

 

> > ------- --

 

> >

 

> > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make arguments

 

out

 

> > of changed statement, your's is another example.

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " axeplex " <axeplex@> wrote:

 

> > >

 

> > > Dear Utkal,

 

> > >

 

> > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts shall

 

not

 

> > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

 

> > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

 

> > >

 

> > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

 

> > >

 

> > > regds

 

> > > Dev

 

> > >

 

> > >

 

<JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

 

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

 

charts

 

> > and

 

> > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

 

> > WITHIN

 

> > > > RASHIS.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

 

doing

 

> > > > accurate predictions.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

 

> > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained popularity

 

and

 

> > in

 

> > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of predictability.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

 

body,

 

> > every

 

> > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

 

support

 

> > of

 

> > > > your's statements.

 

> > > >

 

> > > > Best Wishes.

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

 

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Why all such practical things that you mentioned is never seen in the

groups, You never could make a successful prediction in the groups, at

lest in last 2-3 yrs.

 

Every minute, predictions that I do following the Sage's vision proves

the vedic astrology, be fair and show your might as well instead of

trying to make claims for the cases about which no one knows.

 

 

 

 

, mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi

wrote:

>

> Dear Inder Bhai

> its such a pleasure to read such true life events.Â

> you are practical in your approach rather than beating about the bush

with theories and more theories.

> god bless you with success

> mahalakshmi

>

> --- On Tue, 6/4/10, Inder Jit Sahni inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Inder Jit Sahni inder_jit_sahni

> RE: Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts

in Vedic Astrology - BPHS and Classics

>

> Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 11:40 AM

>

Â

>

>

>

Dear Utkal,

>

>

>

> You do not know many things ,

>

>

>

> Actualy Parashara was having modern Astrologers in mind , he was aware

that

>

> they will be able to do the tedious calculations for Ashtak Varga on

the

>

> Divisions of Rashi Chart , could calculate the strength and as well as

on

>

> Diviosns, the astrology is in fact for the Software Engineers and is

not

>

> meant for the Village Astrologers.

>

>

>

> Ramdev proved what is Yoga ? Instead of defending yourself why not

prove

>

> yourself .

>

>

>

> I want to ask how many Astrologers had used it and relied when death

was at

>

> stake for your child, wife or son.

>

>

>

> When, job, reputation or your own arrest could have happen , or when a

team

>

> of Doctors oppose you and you bet your sister or wife life.

>

>

>

> Apply it in your own life and then tell others.

>

>

>

> I am writing this because I had done this without doing or looking at

the

>

> Divisional Charts aspects or anything else but Bhrighu Transit , Rashi

and

>

> Bhava reading.

>

>

>

> I will narrate an instance, a couple with a managerial position person

on

>

> 21st Jan enquired about the Delivery of their 1st child , the Apollo

>

> Hospital team asked them to visit on 7th Feb 2010 , against the due

date of

>

> 15th feb 2010.

>

>

>

> I calculated and said that by no means I see the delivery beyond 31st

Jan

>

> mid day times, and the pain shall start on 30 Jan and you will have to

admit

>

> the expected mother on 30 Jan, I warned that I am telling what I am

seeing

>

> but do not have faith on it , move to Appolo Hospital only if the

pains

>

> starts , and the delivery is normal.

>

>

>

> The woman was a firm believer on me but the husband do not believe it.

>

>

>

> The same thing happen the labor pains begins on 30 Jan though very

mild and

>

> could not be judged as labor pains . They moved to the Hospital around

100

>

> miles to their residence, the Doctor surprised, that the pains were

labor

>

> pains though of very low intensity, you are safe due to your decision

of

>

> coming to Hospital. Then they told about me and Astrology , the Doctor

was

>

> surprised that if such a science exists. The child take birth on 31st

at

>

> around 1 pm by normal delivery.

>

>

>

> A head of department of one of IIT enquired about his daughter

recently, on

>

> phone I told about his daughter, him and his wife, he was surprised if

so

>

> many things could be told , and I have another case of children from

another

>

> HOD of IIT .

>

>

>

> Khushwant Singh is against Astrology , I thought once to protest him,

a

>

> great Judiciary Officer hearing my view, asked me to serve those who

believe

>

> in it, rather than to waste my time on fools .

>

>

>

> So grow by giving something practical .

>

>

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

>

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

> [@

. com] On

>

> Behalf Of utkal.panigrahi

>

> 05 April, 2010 9:07 PM

>

>

>

> Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in

Vedic

>

> Astrology - BPHS and Classics

>

>

>

> When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

>

> yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

>

> aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

>

> taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees

or

>

> any fraction of degrees.

>

>

>

> These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find

Saturn

>

> in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of

Navamsa,

>

> you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

>

> chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

>

>

>

> This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

>

> analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

>

> publishing.

>

>

>

> I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in

the

>

> right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

>

> your's predictive ability impacted.

>

>

>

> And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek

your's

>

> betterment.

>

>

>

> Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

>

> loose capability of doing predictions.

>

>

>

> <JyotishGrou

p%40. com>

>

> , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Utkal,

>

> > Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

>

> > Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

>

> Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

>

> >

>

> > D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

>

> understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

>

> shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

>

> >

>

> > regds

>

> > Dev

>

> >

>

> >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Read carefully that what I said -

>

> > >

>

> > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

charts

>

> and

>

> > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

>

> WITHIN

>

> > > RASHIS

>

> > >

>

> > > ------- --

>

> > >

>

> > > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make

arguments

>

> out

>

> > > of changed statement, your's is another example.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Utkal,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts

shall

>

> not

>

> > > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

>

> > > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > regds

>

> > > > Dev

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

>

> charts

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by

AMSHAS

>

> > > WITHIN

>

> > > > > RASHIS.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

>

> doing

>

> > > > > accurate predictions.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

>

> > > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained

popularity

>

> and

>

> > > in

>

> > > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of

predictability.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

>

> body,

>

> > > every

>

> > > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

>

> support

>

> > > of

>

> > > > > your's statements.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Best Wishes.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Utkal,

 

You are new in the internet astrology,

 

I am here from Gorvani times since 1998, predicted operation times,

admission times and death and several other things ,Political predictions

too. I had given the charge to now younger generation , still you will find

me predicting off and on.

 

But the responsibility now lies with you people, my point in writing that

mail was that make your own rise , people donot know who was Prashra or

Jamini , who is KN rao or SJC , these are limited to astrologers, people

only deal with you what had been given by you to them.

 

The Sun does not need to claim that he is in the Sky , so this should be the

attitude of the Astrologers.

 

Writing to the persons of other faith like to Mr Kaul by you or to Ramdev by

NarSimha , I do not find in the dignity of Astrologers . At least I have

this self pride another may call it Ahankaar or Arrogance.

 

 

 

With Best Wishes,

 

Inder Jit Sahni

 

 

 

On

Behalf Of utkal.panigrahi

10 April, 2010 11:44 PM

 

Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in Vedic

Astrology - BPHS and Classics

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why all such practical things that you mentioned is never seen in the

groups, You never could make a successful prediction in the groups, at

lest in last 2-3 yrs.

 

Every minute, predictions that I do following the Sage's vision proves

the vedic astrology, be fair and show your might as well instead of

trying to make claims for the cases about which no one knows.

 

<%40>

, mahaluxmi iyer <astromahaluxmi

wrote:

>

> Dear Inder Bhai

> its such a pleasure to read such true life events.Â

> you are practical in your approach rather than beating about the bush

with theories and more theories.

> god bless you with success

> mahalakshmi

>

> --- On Tue, 6/4/10, Inder Jit Sahni inder_jit_sahni wrote:

>

> Inder Jit Sahni inder_jit_sahni

> RE: Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts

in Vedic Astrology - BPHS and Classics

> <%40>

> Tuesday, 6 April, 2010, 11:40 AM

>

Â

>

>

>

Dear Utkal,

>

>

>

> You do not know many things ,

>

>

>

> Actualy Parashara was having modern Astrologers in mind , he was aware

that

>

> they will be able to do the tedious calculations for Ashtak Varga on

the

>

> Divisions of Rashi Chart , could calculate the strength and as well as

on

>

> Diviosns, the astrology is in fact for the Software Engineers and is

not

>

> meant for the Village Astrologers.

>

>

>

> Ramdev proved what is Yoga ? Instead of defending yourself why not

prove

>

> yourself .

>

>

>

> I want to ask how many Astrologers had used it and relied when death

was at

>

> stake for your child, wife or son.

>

>

>

> When, job, reputation or your own arrest could have happen , or when a

team

>

> of Doctors oppose you and you bet your sister or wife life.

>

>

>

> Apply it in your own life and then tell others.

>

>

>

> I am writing this because I had done this without doing or looking at

the

>

> Divisional Charts aspects or anything else but Bhrighu Transit , Rashi

and

>

> Bhava reading.

>

>

>

> I will narrate an instance, a couple with a managerial position person

on

>

> 21st Jan enquired about the Delivery of their 1st child , the Apollo

>

> Hospital team asked them to visit on 7th Feb 2010 , against the due

date of

>

> 15th feb 2010.

>

>

>

> I calculated and said that by no means I see the delivery beyond 31st

Jan

>

> mid day times, and the pain shall start on 30 Jan and you will have to

admit

>

> the expected mother on 30 Jan, I warned that I am telling what I am

seeing

>

> but do not have faith on it , move to Appolo Hospital only if the

pains

>

> starts , and the delivery is normal.

>

>

>

> The woman was a firm believer on me but the husband do not believe it.

>

>

>

> The same thing happen the labor pains begins on 30 Jan though very

mild and

>

> could not be judged as labor pains . They moved to the Hospital around

100

>

> miles to their residence, the Doctor surprised, that the pains were

labor

>

> pains though of very low intensity, you are safe due to your decision

of

>

> coming to Hospital. Then they told about me and Astrology , the Doctor

was

>

> surprised that if such a science exists. The child take birth on 31st

at

>

> around 1 pm by normal delivery.

>

>

>

> A head of department of one of IIT enquired about his daughter

recently, on

>

> phone I told about his daughter, him and his wife, he was surprised if

so

>

> many things could be told , and I have another case of children from

another

>

> HOD of IIT .

>

>

>

> Khushwant Singh is against Astrology , I thought once to protest him,

a

>

> great Judiciary Officer hearing my view, asked me to serve those who

believe

>

> in it, rather than to waste my time on fools .

>

>

>

> So grow by giving something practical .

>

>

>

> With Best Wishes,

>

>

>

> Inder Jit Sahni

>

>

>

> [@

. com] On

>

> Behalf Of utkal.panigrahi

>

> 05 April, 2010 9:07 PM

>

>

>

> Re:Invitation for Open Debate on D Charts in

Vedic

>

> Astrology - BPHS and Classics

>

>

>

> When you convert Amshas or Vargas to charts, you create trouble for

>

> yourself, soon you fall in the temptation of applying non existing

>

> aspects in Amsha or Varga or D charts, Parashara and other Sages never

>

> taught you to apply aspects in a span of 3.20 degrees or 3.0 degrees

or

>

> any fraction of degrees.

>

>

>

> These aspects are major obstacles for your predictions, You find

Saturn

>

> in Navamsa Chart's lagna and assume his apect on 7'th house of

Navamsa,

>

> you consider delay in marriage, whereas suppose, Saturn is in Lagna

>

> chart's 3'rd house or 11'th house thus no way impacting 7'th house.

>

>

>

> This is shown to you for your benefits, I am fed up with kind of

>

> analysis you people do in groups and kind of books or magazine you are

>

> publishing.

>

>

>

> I want you to get back to roots of vedic astrology, do more work in

the

>

> right direction that sages taught which you wrongly applied and only

>

> your's predictive ability impacted.

>

>

>

> And feel free to criticize or humilate me in the groups as I seek

your's

>

> betterment.

>

>

>

> Think, the reasons that Maitreya said to Parashara why you astrologers

>

> loose capability of doing predictions.

>

>

>

> <JyotishGrou

p%40. com>

>

> , " axeplex " axeplex@ > wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Dear Utkal,

>

> > Healthy discussion does not start with attack. Okay.

>

> > Let us start analysing the profession of a native. If you say, only

>

> Amsas are good enough to decide the things, take a chart and show it.

>

> >

>

> > D-charts are virtual charts but if you start using them, you

>

> understand the beauty. I am open to even using Amsas but then, they

>

> shall work effectively, same as the D-chart or more (as u said).

>

> >

>

> > regds

>

> > Dev

>

> >

>

> >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Read carefully that what I said -

>

> > >

>

> > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

charts

>

> and

>

> > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by AMSHAS

>

> WITHIN

>

> > > RASHIS

>

> > >

>

> > > ------- --

>

> > >

>

> > > Astrologers are seen to change the statement and they make

arguments

>

> out

>

> > > of changed statement, your's is another example.

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

wrote:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Dear Utkal,

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I invite you to first provide proofs that BPHS says D-charts

shall

>

> not

>

> > > be used. As per my knowledge, he mentioned divisions. Neither he

>

> > > mentioned D-charts shall be used nor that it shall not be used.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Depending on your response, we would proceed further.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > regds

>

> > > > Dev

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> <JyotishGrou p%40. com> , " utkal.panigrahi "

>

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > BPHS only talks about various types of Amshas, there is no D

>

> charts

>

> > > and

>

> > > > > gives results on the basics of characteristics defined by

AMSHAS

>

> > > WITHIN

>

> > > > > RASHIS.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Use of D charts has badly impacted astrologers capability of

>

> doing

>

> > > > > accurate predictions.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > In the last 100 - 150 yrs, because of incorrect out of context

>

> > > > > interpretation of verses of BPHS, such charts gained

popularity

>

> and

>

> > > in

>

> > > > > the same proportion astrologers lost quality of

predictability.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > In the interest of vedic astrology, I hereby challange every

>

> body,

>

> > > every

>

> > > > > school of vedic astrology world over to come and debate.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > You will have to put Sanskrit Verses and Interprete them in

>

> support

>

> > > of

>

> > > > > your's statements.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Best Wishes.

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >