Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Brother Narsimha, Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! Here in this context, Va means - " Or " . Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " So, meaning goes like this - In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in Jyotish. I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest order of Sharada Yoga. regards, Utkal. , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > Sharadah !! > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in 11'th. > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. There is no ambiguity. > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > , " utkal.panigrahi " utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > Sharadah !! > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in 11'th. > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th house > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc in > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but not > > strong. > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > regards, > > Utkal > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned about > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. The > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic Astrology. > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which is > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for Pisces > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? The > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury all > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This is > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, Saraswathi > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter being > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to lose > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note on > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on retrograde > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out from > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to write > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > will > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > Kendradhipati > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected by > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of being > > in > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I remember > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa Sharada > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > study > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs in > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on 9'th > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > darkness. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th has > > > got > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in parivartana > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is retro > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it is > > with > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you which > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of the > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even do > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > Mahtma > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > exclusively > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > world. > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a begger > > > on > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > followed > > > > that. > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > door,I > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > everybody > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > worth > > > a > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I predicted > > that > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country is > > at > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will show > > > what > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th has > > got > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, reast of > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics are > > in > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give required > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra sadhana > > > and > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much more > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are treated as > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > themselves > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that envaloped > > > > world. > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > ...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that you > > > had > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > success, > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But it > > > seems > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response to > > this > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its orbit > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, you > > > want > > > > to > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > gossips > > > > and > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have some > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to check > > > what > > > > are > > > > > > you. > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should have > > > > been > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways by > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > with > > > > good > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Dear Sirs To my understanding it is not 'va' for 'or' but 'vaa' for 'sthit' positioned. K C Dwivedi , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > Brother Narsimha, > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > Here in this context, > > Va means - " Or " . > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > So, meaning goes like this - > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > Jyotish. > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > order of Sharada Yoga. > > regards, > Utkal. > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > There is no ambiguity. > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > house > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > in > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > not > > > strong. > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > about > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > The > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > Astrology. > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > is > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > Pisces > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > The > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > all > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > is > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > Saraswathi > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > being > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > lose > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > on > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > retrograde > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > from > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > write > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > will > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > Kendradhipati > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > by > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > being > > > in > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > remember > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > Sharada > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > study > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > in > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > 9'th > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > parivartana > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > retro > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > is > > > with > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > which > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > the > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > do > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > Mahtma > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > exclusively > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > begger > > > > on > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > followed > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > door,I > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > everybody > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > worth > > > > a > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > predicted > > > that > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > is > > > at > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > show > > > > what > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > reast of > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > are > > > in > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > required > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > sadhana > > > > and > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > more > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > treated as > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > themselves > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > envaloped > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > you > > > > had > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > success, > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > it > > > > seems > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > to > > > this > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > orbit > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > you > > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > gossips > > > > > and > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > some > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > check > > > > what > > > > > are > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > by > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > with > > > > > good > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Namaste, The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. One point needs to be made bluntly here. There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > Brother Narsimha, > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > Here in this context, > > Va means - " Or " . > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > So, meaning goes like this - > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > Jyotish. > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > order of Sharada Yoga. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > There is no ambiguity. > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > house > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > in > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > not > > > strong. > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > about > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > The > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > Astrology. > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > is > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > Pisces > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > The > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > all > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > is > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > Saraswathi > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > being > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > lose > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > on > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > retrograde > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > from > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > write > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > will > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > Kendradhipati > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > by > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > being > > > in > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > remember > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > Sharada > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > study > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > in > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > 9'th > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > parivartana > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > retro > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > is > > > with > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > which > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > the > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > do > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > Mahtma > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > exclusively > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > begger > > > > on > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > followed > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > door,I > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > everybody > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > worth > > > > a > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > predicted > > > that > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > is > > > at > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > show > > > > what > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > reast of > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > are > > > in > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > required > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > sadhana > > > > and > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > more > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > treated as > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > themselves > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > envaloped > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > you > > > > had > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > success, > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > it > > > > seems > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > to > > > this > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > orbit > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > you > > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > gossips > > > > > and > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > some > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > check > > > > what > > > > > are > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > by > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > with > > > > > good > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... Just a thought...! Ranjan vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > Here in this context, > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > Jyotish. > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > regards, > > Utkal. > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > 11'th. > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > house > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > in > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > not > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > about > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > The > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > Astrology. > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > is > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > Pisces > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > The > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > all > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > is > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > Saraswathi > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > being > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > lose > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > on > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > retrograde > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > from > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > write > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > will > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > by > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > being > > > > in > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > remember > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > Sharada > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > study > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > in > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > 9'th > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > parivartana > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > retro > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > is > > > > with > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > which > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > the > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > do > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > exclusively > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > begger > > > > > on > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > followed > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > door,I > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > everybody > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > predicted > > > > that > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > is > > > > at > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > show > > > > > what > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > has > > > > got > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > reast of > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > are > > > > in > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > required > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > sadhana > > > > > and > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > more > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > treated as > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > themselves > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > envaloped > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > you > > > > > had > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > success, > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > it > > > > > seems > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > to > > > > this > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > orbit > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > you > > > > > want > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > gossips > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > some > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > check > > > > > what > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > by > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > with > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Namaste, The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. One point needs to be made bluntly here. There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > Brother Narsimha, > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > Here in this context, > > Va means - " Or " . > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > So, meaning goes like this - > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > Jyotish. > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > order of Sharada Yoga. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > There is no ambiguity. > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > house > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > in > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > not > > > strong. > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > about > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > The > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > Astrology. > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > is > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > Pisces > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > The > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > all > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > is > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > Saraswathi > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > being > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > lose > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > on > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > retrograde > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > from > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > write > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > will > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > Kendradhipati > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > by > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > being > > > in > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > remember > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > Sharada > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > study > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > in > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > 9'th > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > parivartana > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > retro > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > is > > > with > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > which > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > the > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > do > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > Mahtma > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > exclusively > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > begger > > > > on > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > followed > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > door,I > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > everybody > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > worth > > > > a > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > predicted > > > that > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > is > > > at > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > show > > > > what > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > reast of > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > are > > > in > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > required > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > sadhana > > > > and > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > more > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > treated as > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > themselves > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > envaloped > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > you > > > > had > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > success, > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > it > > > > seems > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > to > > > this > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > orbit > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > you > > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > gossips > > > > > and > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > some > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > check > > > > what > > > > > are > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > by > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > with > > > > > good > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Dear Ranjan, You are right. The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > Just a thought...! > > Ranjan > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > house > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > in > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > not > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > about > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > The > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > is > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > Pisces > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > The > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > all > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > is > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > Saraswathi > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > being > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > lose > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > on > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > retrograde > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > from > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > write > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > will > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > by > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > being > > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > remember > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > Sharada > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > study > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > in > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > parivartana > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > retro > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > is > > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > which > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > the > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > do > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > begger > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > predicted > > > > > that > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > is > > > > > at > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > show > > > > > > what > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > reast of > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > required > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > more > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > treated as > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > envaloped > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > you > > > > > > had > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > success, > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > it > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > orbit > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > you > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > some > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > check > > > > > > what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > by > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > with > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Narsimha, Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha precisely. Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha ..... The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " , and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause. Hope it's enough. Utkal. , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste, > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > , " utkal.panigrahi " utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > Here in this context, > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > Jyotish. > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > regards, > > Utkal. > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > 11'th. > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > house > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > in > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > not > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > about > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > The > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > Astrology. > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > is > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > Pisces > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > The > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > all > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > is > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > Saraswathi > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > being > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > lose > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > on > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > retrograde > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > from > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > write > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > will > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > by > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > being > > > > in > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > remember > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > Sharada > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > study > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > in > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > 9'th > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > parivartana > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > retro > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > is > > > > with > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > which > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > the > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > do > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > exclusively > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > begger > > > > > on > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > followed > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > door,I > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > everybody > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > worth > > > > > a > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > predicted > > > > that > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > is > > > > at > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > show > > > > > what > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > has > > > > got > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > reast of > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > are > > > > in > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > required > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > sadhana > > > > > and > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > more > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > treated as > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > themselves > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > envaloped > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > ...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > you > > > > > had > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > success, > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > it > > > > > seems > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > to > > > > this > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > orbit > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > you > > > > > want > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > gossips > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > some > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > check > > > > > what > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > by > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > with > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Dear Ranjan, You are right. The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > Just a thought...! > > Ranjan > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > house > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > in > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > not > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > about > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > The > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > is > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > Pisces > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > The > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > all > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > is > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > Saraswathi > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > being > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > lose > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > on > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > retrograde > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > from > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > write > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > will > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > by > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > being > > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > remember > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > Sharada > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > study > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > in > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > parivartana > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > retro > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > is > > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > which > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > the > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > do > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > begger > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > predicted > > > > > that > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > is > > > > > at > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > show > > > > > > what > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > reast of > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > required > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > more > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > treated as > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > envaloped > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > you > > > > > > had > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > success, > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > it > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > orbit > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > you > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > some > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > check > > > > > > what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > by > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > with > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Dear Narasimha Ji There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and ''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain extent that your convictions were not totally pure. Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you. Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ? Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not learned in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti). Everything is already there. It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters. Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so. If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava. We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''. Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on it. However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we forget the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather. Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate. Happy Vishu. Pradeep vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > You are right. > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > house > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > not > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > about > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > The > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > is > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > Pisces > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > The > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > all > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > is > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > being > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > lose > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > on > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > retrograde > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > from > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > write > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > being > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > remember > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > study > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > in > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > retro > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > which > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > do > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > begger > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > predicted > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > show > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > required > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > more > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > it > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > you > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > check > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Narsimha, Eye Sight problem that you are facing is due to malific mars and saturn from 8th house aspects your 2nd house of cognition. Why my eye sight is better is becoz both 2nd house house and 2nd lord are aspected by Jup. Eyesight is also determined by sun and venus. Your 9th lord venus has gone to 8th house and badly afflicted by mars and saturn. Further, in the 6th house which is trine to 2nd house, you got Rahu. So, afflictiön is very high, this is the reason, you get blurre pictures, dont get clarity on simple shlokas, hope you wear specs too, a study of sanskrit vyakaran ( grammer) wd help you a lot. Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m aware where you go wrong. Take Care, Utkal JyotinshGroup , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > You are right. > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > house > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > not > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > about > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > The > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > is > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > Pisces > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > The > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > all > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > is > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > being > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > lose > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > on > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > retrograde > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > from > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > write > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > being > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > remember > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > study > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > in > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > retro > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > which > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > do > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > begger > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > predicted > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > show > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > required > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > more > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > it > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > you > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > check > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Namaste, > Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you. Kindly do not put words in my mouth. All I said was that a few specific things are " much clearer " than before. > Isn't there a possibility that things can be > still purer tommorrow ? Of course, there is. > Happy Vishu. Happy solar new year to all! Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Narasimha Ji > > There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and ''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain extent that your convictions were not totally pure. > > Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you. Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ? > > Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not learned in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti). Everything is already there. > > It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters. > > Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so. > > If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava. > We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''. > > Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on it. However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we forget the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather. > > Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate. > > Happy Vishu. > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan, > > > > You are right. > > > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > > not > > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > > about > > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > > The > > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > > is > > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > > The > > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > > all > > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > > is > > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > > being > > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > > lose > > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > > on > > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > > from > > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > > write > > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > > being > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > > in > > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > > has > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > > retro > > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > > is > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > > begger > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > > is > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > > show > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > > you > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > > it > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > > to > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > > you > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > > check > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Namaste Lalit/Utkal, The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly " gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " . There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or " must be " vaa " . Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas. Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know Sanskrit. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > Narsimha, > > Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha > precisely. > > Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha > .... > > The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " , > and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause. > > Hope it's enough. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. > " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next > clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous > clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There > is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to > me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and > Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. > There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and > create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines > to > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated > in > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the > highest > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars > being > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a > mistake. > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a > trine > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > house > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts > Merc > > > in > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present > but > > > not > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly > mentioned > > > about > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on > 'Yogakarakas'. > > > The > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not > give > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of > giving > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna > (which > > > is > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > Pisces > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination > doesn't > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your > definition? > > > The > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and > Mercury > > > all > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. > This > > > is > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > Saraswathi > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and > Jupiter > > > being > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though > retrograde > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend > to > > > lose > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your > note > > > on > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > retrograde > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean > out > > > from > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions > within 4 > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as > transit > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need > to > > > write > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise > there > > > > > will > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and > aspected > > > by > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in > above > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage > of > > > being > > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is > not > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > remember > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > Sharada > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand > amazing > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never > liked to > > > > > study > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one > needs > > > in > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect > on > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to > dispel > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > 9'th > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > parivartana > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem > is > > > retro > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as > it > > > is > > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of > you > > > which > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest > of > > > the > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and > even > > > do > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami > Vivekananda or > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's > small > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or > a > > > begger > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they > honestly > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of > next > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and > is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > predicted > > > > > that > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today > country > > > is > > > > > at > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we > will > > > show > > > > > > what > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > 9'th > > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > reast of > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all > benifics > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > required > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much > much > > > more > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or > Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > treated as > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people > are > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > envaloped > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at > least > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was > that > > > you > > > > > > had > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of > all > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > success, > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. > But > > > it > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a > response > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during > its > > > orbit > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and > planets! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at > oneself, > > > you > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non > astro > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? > Have > > > some > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope > to > > > check > > > > > > what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who > should > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated > anyways > > > by > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime > minister > > > > > with > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Great mail.. hope all relevant people take hint.. Â -Utkal --- On Tue, 13/4/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Sarada Yoga , vedic astrology Tuesday, 13 April, 2010, 8:05 PM Â Namaste, The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. One point needs to be made bluntly here. There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > Brother Narsimha, > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > Here in this context, > > Va means - " Or " . > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > So, meaning goes like this - > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > Jyotish. > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > order of Sharada Yoga. > > regards, > Utkal. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > There is no ambiguity. > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > 11'th. > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > house > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > in > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > not > > > strong. > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > about > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas' . > The > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > Astrology. > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > is > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > Pisces > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > The > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > all > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > is > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > Saraswathi > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > being > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > lose > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > on > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > retrograde > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > from > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > write > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > will > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > Kendradhipati > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > by > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > being > > > in > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > remember > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > Sharada > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > study > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > in > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > 9'th > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > parivartana > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > retro > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > is > > > with > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > which > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > the > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > do > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > Mahtma > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > exclusively > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > begger > > > > on > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > followed > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > door,I > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > everybody > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > worth > > > > a > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > predicted > > > that > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > is > > > at > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > show > > > > what > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > has > > > got > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > reast of > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > are > > > in > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > required > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > sadhana > > > > and > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > more > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > treated as > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > themselves > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > envaloped > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > ...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > you > > > > had > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > success, > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > it > > > > seems > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > to > > > this > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > orbit > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > you > > > > want > > > > > to > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > gossips > > > > > and > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > some > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > check > > > > what > > > > > are > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > have > > > > > been > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > by > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > with > > > > > good > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Dear Narasimha Ji There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and ''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain extent that your convictions were not totally pure. Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you. Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ? Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not learned in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti). Everything is already there. It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters. Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so. If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava. We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''. Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on it. However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we forget the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather. Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate. Happy Vishu. Pradeep , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > You are right. > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > house > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > not > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > about > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > The > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > is > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > Pisces > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > The > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > all > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > is > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > being > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > lose > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > on > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > retrograde > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > from > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > write > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > being > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > remember > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > study > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > in > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > retro > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > which > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > do > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > begger > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > predicted > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > show > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > required > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > more > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > it > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > you > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > check > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Namaste, > Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you. Kindly do not put words in my mouth. All I said was that a few specific things are " much clearer " than before. > Isn't there a possibility that things can be > still purer tommorrow ? Of course, there is. > Happy Vishu. Happy solar new year to all! Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Narasimha Ji > > There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and ''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain extent that your convictions were not totally pure. > > Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you. Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ? > > Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not learned in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti). Everything is already there. > > It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters. > > Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so. > > If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava. > We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''. > > Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on it. However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we forget the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather. > > Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate. > > Happy Vishu. > > Pradeep > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan, > > > > You are right. > > > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > > not > > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > > about > > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > > The > > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > > is > > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > > The > > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > > all > > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > > is > > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > > being > > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > > lose > > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > > on > > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > > from > > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > > write > > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > > being > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > > in > > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > > has > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > > retro > > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > > is > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > > begger > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > > is > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > > show > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > > you > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > > it > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > > to > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > > you > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > > check > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Namaste Lalit/Utkal, The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly " gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " . There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or " must be " vaa " . Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas. Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know Sanskrit. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > Narsimha, > > Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha > precisely. > > Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha > .... > > The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " , > and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause. > > Hope it's enough. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. > " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next > clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous > clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There > is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to > me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and > Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. > There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and > create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines > to > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated > in > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the > highest > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars > being > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a > mistake. > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a > trine > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > house > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts > Merc > > > in > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present > but > > > not > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly > mentioned > > > about > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on > 'Yogakarakas'. > > > The > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not > give > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of > giving > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna > (which > > > is > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > Pisces > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination > doesn't > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your > definition? > > > The > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and > Mercury > > > all > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. > This > > > is > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > Saraswathi > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and > Jupiter > > > being > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though > retrograde > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend > to > > > lose > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your > note > > > on > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > retrograde > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean > out > > > from > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions > within 4 > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as > transit > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need > to > > > write > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise > there > > > > > will > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and > aspected > > > by > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in > above > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage > of > > > being > > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is > not > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > remember > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > Sharada > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand > amazing > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never > liked to > > > > > study > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one > needs > > > in > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect > on > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to > dispel > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > 9'th > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > parivartana > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem > is > > > retro > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as > it > > > is > > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of > you > > > which > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest > of > > > the > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and > even > > > do > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami > Vivekananda or > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's > small > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or > a > > > begger > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they > honestly > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of > next > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and > is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > predicted > > > > > that > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today > country > > > is > > > > > at > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we > will > > > show > > > > > > what > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > 9'th > > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > reast of > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all > benifics > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > required > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much > much > > > more > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or > Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > treated as > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people > are > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > envaloped > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at > least > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was > that > > > you > > > > > > had > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of > all > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > success, > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. > But > > > it > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a > response > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during > its > > > orbit > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and > planets! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at > oneself, > > > you > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non > astro > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? > Have > > > some > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope > to > > > check > > > > > > what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who > should > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated > anyways > > > by > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime > minister > > > > > with > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m aware where you go wrong.    ha ha ha....  And everybody else has become aware now that Lalit aka Utkal Panigrahi does not know sanskrit sentence constructions.. that too a simple sentence.. lol.. only empty claims ....  it is never late to kill the ego and come back to right path.. but rahu is too blind to see beyond ones ego.. lol..  Utkal   --- On Wed, 14/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote: utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Re: Sarada Yoga Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 8:11 AM  Narsimha, Eye Sight problem that you are facing is due to malific mars and saturn from 8th house aspects your 2nd house of cognition. Why my eye sight is better is becoz both 2nd house house and 2nd lord are aspected by Jup. Eyesight is also determined by sun and venus. Your 9th lord venus has gone to 8th house and badly afflicted by mars and saturn. Further, in the 6th house which is trine to 2nd house, you got Rahu. So, afflictiön is very high, this is the reason, you get blurre pictures, dont get clarity on simple shlokas, hope you wear specs too, a study of sanskrit vyakaran ( grammer) wd help you a lot. Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m aware where you go wrong. Take Care, Utkal JyotinshGroup, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > You are right. > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > house > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > not > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > about > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas' . > > > > The > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > is > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > Pisces > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > The > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > all > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > is > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > being > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > lose > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > on > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > retrograde > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > from > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > write > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > being > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > remember > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > study > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > in > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > retro > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > which > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > do > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > begger > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > predicted > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > show > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > required > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > more > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > it > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > you > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > check > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. 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Guest guest Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Brother Narasimha   Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know Sanskrit.   this simple conclusion most of people in forum already knew... why it took so long for you to guess?  Mr Lalit Mishra/Utkal Panigrahu studied 4 years sanskrit from nursery to class 3 and then tried his hand at interpreting BHPS and made such amazing interpretation with his 4 years sanskrit (asuming he did not faail in between) knowledge that Parashar jee started rolling in his grave. Now you know where Lalit MIshra aka Utkal Panigrahi ji's jyotish interpretations comes from, his 4 years of indepth sanskrit study!. No laugh please, this serious scholarships matter with some egos, therefore no chance of any miss tyke.. soon he will show the world how they do not know sanskrit and only he and Parasharji knows the real sanskrit.  Utkal  ps: brother Narasmiha kindly do not use such abracadabra bouncers like saptami vibhakti form of something something, Utkal Panigrahi jee with then show you and the whole world about the hidden navam vibhakti form of a word which he has discovered and your bhakti on wibhaktis will vanish forever!     --- On Wed, 14/4/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr Re: Sarada Yoga vedic astrology , Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 6:37 PM  Namaste Lalit/Utkal, The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly " gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " . There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or " must be " vaa " . Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas. Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know Sanskrit. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > Narsimha, > > Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha > precisely. > > Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha > .... > > The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " , > and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause. > > Hope it's enough. > > Utkal. > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. > " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next > clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous > clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There > is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to > me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and > Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. > There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and > create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines > to > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated > in > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the > highest > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > regards, > > > Utkal. > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars > being > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a > mistake. > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a > trine > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > Sharada > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > in > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > house > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts > Merc > > > in > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present > but > > > not > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > wrong > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly > mentioned > > > about > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on > 'Yogakarakas' . > > > The > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not > give > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > Astrology. > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of > giving > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna > (which > > > is > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > Pisces > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination > doesn't > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your > definition? > > > The > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and > Mercury > > > all > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. > This > > > is > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > Saraswathi > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and > Jupiter > > > being > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though > retrograde > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend > to > > > lose > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your > note > > > on > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > retrograde > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean > out > > > from > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions > within 4 > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as > transit > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need > to > > > write > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise > there > > > > > will > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and > aspected > > > by > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in > above > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage > of > > > being > > > > > in > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is > not > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > remember > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > Sharada > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand > amazing > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never > liked to > > > > > study > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one > needs > > > in > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect > on > > > 9'th > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to > dispel > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > 9'th > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > parivartana > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem > is > > > retro > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as > it > > > is > > > > > with > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of > you > > > which > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest > of > > > the > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and > even > > > do > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami > Vivekananda or > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's > small > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or > a > > > begger > > > > > > on > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they > honestly > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of > next > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and > is > > > > > worth > > > > > > a > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > predicted > > > > > that > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today > country > > > is > > > > > at > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we > will > > > show > > > > > > what > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > 9'th > > > has > > > > > got > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > reast of > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all > benifics > > > are > > > > > in > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > required > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > sadhana > > > > > > and > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much > much > > > more > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or > Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > treated as > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people > are > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > envaloped > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at > least > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was > that > > > you > > > > > > had > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of > all > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > success, > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. > But > > > it > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a > response > > > to > > > > > this > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during > its > > > orbit > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and > planets! > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at > oneself, > > > you > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non > astro > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? > Have > > > some > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope > to > > > check > > > > > > what > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who > should > > > have > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated > anyways > > > by > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime > minister > > > > > with > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. 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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 And, Narasimha, it helps also from time to time to not panic but just moisten, wipe and polish the existing set of glasses! Jyotish can be quite a 'foggy-mayavini-terrain' and a good wipe always comes in handy from time to time ;-) Regards, Rohiniranjan , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Dear Ranjan, > > You are right. > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > Ranjan > > > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@> wrote: > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > house > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > not > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > about > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > The > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > is > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > Pisces > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > The > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > all > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > is > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > being > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > lose > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > on > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > retrograde > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > from > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > write > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > being > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > remember > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > study > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > in > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > retro > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > which > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > do > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > begger > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > predicted > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > show > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > required > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > more > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > it > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > you > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > check > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Narsimha, Every Vibhakti is nothing but a Suffix added to root word in sanskrit, further such suffixes or vibhaktis are mapped to karka roles (thematic roles).By identifying the vibhakti, cases can be determined, Go through the following link for details - * http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Case+frame+generation+for+Sanskrit+languag\ e--a+knowledge...-a0215514756 <http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Case+frame+generation+for+Sanskrit+langua\ ge--a+knowledge...-a0215514756> * http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/specials/hthor_classx/sanskrit.shtml <http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/specials/hthor_classx/sanskrit.shtml\ > In order to have a clarity of meanings, I suggested you to dissect the Suffix (Au) to root word (Guru). Guru as ending in 'U' is Ukarant, is common knowledge. Now, it should be clarified to you. Utkal. , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > Namaste Lalit/Utkal, > > The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly " gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " . There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or " must be " vaa " . > > Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas. Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt that you do not know Sanskrit. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > - > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Spirituality: > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > - > > , " utkal.panigrahi " utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > Narsimha, > > > > Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha > > precisely. > > > > Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha > > .... > > > > The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " , > > and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause. > > > > Hope it's enough. > > > > Utkal. > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. > > " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next > > clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous > > clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There > > is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to > > me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and > > Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. > > There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and > > create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > - > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines > > to > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated > > in > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the > > highest > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > > Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > > in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars > > being > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a > > mistake. > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a > > trine > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > - > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is > > Sharada > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be > > in > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > house > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts > > Merc > > > > in > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present > > but > > > > not > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > > wrong > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly > > mentioned > > > > about > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on > > 'Yogakarakas'. > > > > The > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not > > give > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of > > giving > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna > > (which > > > > is > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > Pisces > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter > > period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination > > doesn't > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your > > definition? > > > > The > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and > > Mercury > > > > all > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. > > This > > > > is > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and > > Jupiter > > > > being > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though > > retrograde > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend > > to > > > > lose > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your > > note > > > > on > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > retrograde > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean > > out > > > > from > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's > > wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions > > within 4 > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as > > transit > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need > > to > > > > write > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise > > there > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and > > aspected > > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in > > above > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage > > of > > > > being > > > > > > in > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is > > not > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > remember > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand > > amazing > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never > > liked to > > > > > > study > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one > > needs > > > > in > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect > > on > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to > > dispel > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > > 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem > > is > > > > retro > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as > > it > > > > is > > > > > > with > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of > > you > > > > which > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and > > even > > > > do > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami > > Vivekananda or > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's > > small > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or > > a > > > > begger > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they > > honestly > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of > > next > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and > > is > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > predicted > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today > > country > > > > is > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we > > will > > > > show > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and > > 9'th > > > > has > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all > > benifics > > > > are > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > required > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much > > much > > > > more > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or > > Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people > > are > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at > > least > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was > > that > > > > you > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of > > all > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. > > But > > > > it > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a > > response > > > > to > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during > > its > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and > > planets! > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at > > oneself, > > > > you > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non > > astro > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? > > Have > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope > > to > > > > check > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who > > should > > > > have > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated > > anyways > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime > > minister > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2010 Report Share Posted April 15, 2010 Prashant Pandey, the jealousness wont take you anywhere. Shut UP. , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal wrote: > > Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m aware where you go wrong. > >  >  >  > ha ha ha.... >  > And everybody else has become aware now that Lalit aka Utkal Panigrahi does not know sanskrit sentence constructions.. that too a simple sentence.. lol.. only empty claims .... >  > it is never late to kill the ego and come back to right path.. but rahu is too blind to see beyond ones ego.. lol.. >  > Utkal >  >  > > --- On Wed, 14/4/10, utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi > Re: Sarada Yoga > > Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 8:11 AM > > >  > > > > Narsimha, > > Eye Sight problem that you are facing is due to malific mars and saturn from 8th house aspects your 2nd house of cognition. > > Why my eye sight is better is becoz both 2nd house house and 2nd lord are aspected by Jup. > > Eyesight is also determined by sun and venus. Your 9th lord venus has gone to 8th house and badly afflicted by mars and saturn. > > Further, in the 6th house which is trine to 2nd house, you got Rahu. So, afflictiön is very high, this is the reason, you get blurre pictures, dont get clarity on simple shlokas, hope you wear specs too, a study of sanskrit vyakaran ( grammer) wd help you a lot. > > Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m aware where you go wrong. > > Take Care, > Utkal > > JyotinshGroup, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > Dear Ranjan, > > > > You are right. > > > > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer. > > > > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before. > > > > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's vision is not clear. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely, > > > > > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. " > > > > > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission! > > > > > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds... > > > > > > Just a thought...! > > > > > > Ranjan > > > > > > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles. > > > > > > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here. > > > > > > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote: > > > > > Brother Narsimha, > > > > > > > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka - > > > > > > > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > Here in this context, > > > > > > > > > > Va means - " Or " . > > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And " > > > > > > > > > > So, meaning goes like this - > > > > > > > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to > > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in > > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest > > > > > order of Sharada Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make: > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being > > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary > > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake. > > > > > There is no ambiguity. > > > > > > > > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine > > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha > > > > > > > Sharadah !! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada > > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in > > > > > 11'th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th > > > > > house > > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc > > > > > in > > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but > > > > > not > > > > > > > strong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Utkal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned > > > > > about > > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas' . > > > > > The > > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give > > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic > > > > > Astrology. > > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving > > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which > > > > > is > > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for > > > > > Pisces > > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't > > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition? > > > > > The > > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury > > > > > all > > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This > > > > > is > > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart, > > > > > Saraswathi > > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter > > > > > being > > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde > > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to > > > > > lose > > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note > > > > > on > > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on > > > > > retrograde > > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out > > > > > from > > > > > > > the classics on this topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong > > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4 > > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit > > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to > > > > > write > > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of > > > > > > > Kendradhipati > > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected > > > > > by > > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above > > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of > > > > > being > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not > > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I > > > > > remember > > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa > > > > > Sharada > > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing > > > > > > > > applicability of astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to > > > > > > > study > > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs > > > > > in > > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on > > > > > 9'th > > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel > > > > > > > > darkness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama > > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > > has > > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in > > > > > parivartana > > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is > > > > > retro > > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it > > > > > is > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from > > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and > > > > > Astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or > > > > > > > > Mahtma > > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were > > > > > > > exclusively > > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a > > > > > begger > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly > > > > > > > > followed > > > > > > > > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next > > > > > > > door,I > > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see > > > > > > > everybody > > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is > > > > > > > worth > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I > > > > > predicted > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country > > > > > is > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will > > > > > show > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th > > > > > has > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise, > > > > > reast of > > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics > > > > > are > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give > > > > > required > > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra > > > > > sadhana > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are > > > > > treated as > > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are > > > > > > > > themselves > > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that > > > > > envaloped > > > > > > > > > world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least > > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Utkal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lalit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that > > > > > you > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all > > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater > > > > > > > success, > > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But > > > > > it > > > > > > > > seems > > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response > > > > > to > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its > > > > > orbit > > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself, > > > > > you > > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro > > > > > > > > gossips > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to > > > > > check > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " > > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post? > > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi " > > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. 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