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Brother Narsimha,

 

Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

 

!! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

 

Here in this context,

 

Va means - " Or " .

Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

 

So, meaning goes like this -

 

In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

 

Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

Jyotish.

 

I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

order of Sharada Yoga.

 

regards,

Utkal.

 

 

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> I just have one factual correction to make:

>

> > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > Sharadah !!

> >

> > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

11'th.

>

> The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

There is no ambiguity.

>

> The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna Ji

> >

> > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > Sharadah !!

> >

> > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

11'th.

> >

> > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

house

> > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

in

> > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> >

> > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

not

> > strong.

> >

> > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal

> >

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > >

> > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > >

> > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

about

> > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

The

> > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

Astrology.

> > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > >

> > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > >

> > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

is

> > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

Pisces

> > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > >

> > >

> > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > >

> > >

> > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

The

> > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

all

> > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

is

> > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

Saraswathi

> > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

being

> > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

lose

> > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

on

> > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

retrograde

> > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

from

> > the classics on this topic.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > >

> > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

Astrology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > >

> > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > >

> > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

write

> > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > will

> > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > >

> > > I will be doing that some day.

> > >

> > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > Kendradhipati

> > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

by

> > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

being

> > in

> > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > >

> > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

remember

> > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

Sharada

> > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > applicability of astrology.

> > >

> > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > study

> > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

in

> > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > >

> > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

9'th

> > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > darkness.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

has

> > > got

> > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > >

> > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

parivartana

> > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

retro

> > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

is

> > with

> > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > >

> > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > >

> > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

Astrology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sir,

> > > >

> > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

which

> > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

the

> > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

do

> > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > >

> > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > Mahtma

> > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > exclusively

> > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > world.

> > > >

> > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

begger

> > > on

> > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > followed

> > > > that.

> > > >

> > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > door,I

> > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > everybody

> > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > >

> > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > worth

> > > a

> > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

predicted

> > that

> > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

is

> > at

> > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

show

> > > what

> > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > >

> > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

has

> > got

> > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

reast of

> > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

are

> > in

> > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

required

> > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

sadhana

> > > and

> > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

more

> > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > >

> > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

treated as

> > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > themselves

> > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

envaloped

> > > > world.

> > > >

> > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > <jyotish_vani@

> > > ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lalit,

> > > > >

> > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

you

> > > had

> > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > success,

> > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

it

> > > seems

> > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > >

> > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

to

> > this

> > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

orbit

> > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

you

> > > want

> > > > to

> > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > gossips

> > > > and

> > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

some

> > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

check

> > > what

> > > > are

> > > > > > you.

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

have

> > > > been

> > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

by

> > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > with

> > > > good

> > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

>

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Dear Sirs

 

To my understanding it is not 'va' for 'or' but 'vaa' for 'sthit' positioned.

 

K C Dwivedi

 

, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

>

>

> Brother Narsimha,

>

> Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

>

> !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

>

> Here in this context,

>

> Va means - " Or " .

> Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

>

> So, meaning goes like this -

>

> In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

>

> Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> Jyotish.

>

> I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> order of Sharada Yoga.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

>

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I just have one factual correction to make:

> >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> >

> > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> There is no ambiguity.

> >

> > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> > >

> > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> house

> > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> in

> > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > >

> > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> not

> > > strong.

> > >

> > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > >

> > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> about

> > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> The

> > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> Astrology.

> > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > >

> > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > >

> > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> is

> > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> Pisces

> > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> The

> > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> all

> > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> is

> > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> Saraswathi

> > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> being

> > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> lose

> > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> on

> > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> retrograde

> > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> from

> > > the classics on this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > >

> > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> write

> > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > will

> > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > >

> > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > Kendradhipati

> > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> by

> > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> being

> > > in

> > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> remember

> > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> Sharada

> > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > study

> > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> in

> > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> 9'th

> > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > darkness.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> parivartana

> > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> retro

> > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> is

> > > with

> > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> which

> > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> the

> > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> do

> > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > >

> > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > Mahtma

> > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > exclusively

> > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> begger

> > > > on

> > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > followed

> > > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > door,I

> > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > everybody

> > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > worth

> > > > a

> > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> predicted

> > > that

> > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> is

> > > at

> > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> show

> > > > what

> > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> reast of

> > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> required

> > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> sadhana

> > > > and

> > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> more

> > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> treated as

> > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > themselves

> > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> envaloped

> > > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> you

> > > > had

> > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > success,

> > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> it

> > > > seems

> > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> to

> > > this

> > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> orbit

> > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> you

> > > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > gossips

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> some

> > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> check

> > > > what

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> by

> > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> >

>

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Namaste,

 

The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter

OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause

of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is

not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What

you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit

grammar and writing styles.

 

One point needs to be made bluntly here.

 

There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need

for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where

there is no ambiguity.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

> Brother Narsimha,

>

> Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

>

> !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

>

> Here in this context,

>

> Va means - " Or " .

> Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

>

> So, meaning goes like this -

>

> In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

>

> Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> Jyotish.

>

> I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> order of Sharada Yoga.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I just have one factual correction to make:

> >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> >

> > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> There is no ambiguity.

> >

> > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> > >

> > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> house

> > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> in

> > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > >

> > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> not

> > > strong.

> > >

> > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > >

> > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> about

> > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> The

> > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> Astrology.

> > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > >

> > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > >

> > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> is

> > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> Pisces

> > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> The

> > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> all

> > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> is

> > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> Saraswathi

> > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> being

> > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> lose

> > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> on

> > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> retrograde

> > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> from

> > > the classics on this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > >

> > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> write

> > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > will

> > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > >

> > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > Kendradhipati

> > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> by

> > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> being

> > > in

> > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> remember

> > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> Sharada

> > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > study

> > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> in

> > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> 9'th

> > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > darkness.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> parivartana

> > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> retro

> > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> is

> > > with

> > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> which

> > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> the

> > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> do

> > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > >

> > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > Mahtma

> > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > exclusively

> > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> begger

> > > > on

> > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > followed

> > > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > door,I

> > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > everybody

> > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > worth

> > > > a

> > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> predicted

> > > that

> > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> is

> > > at

> > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> show

> > > > what

> > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> reast of

> > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> required

> > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> sadhana

> > > > and

> > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> more

> > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> treated as

> > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > themselves

> > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> envaloped

> > > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> you

> > > > had

> > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > success,

> > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> it

> > > > seems

> > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> to

> > > this

> > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> orbit

> > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> you

> > > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > gossips

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> some

> > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> check

> > > > what

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> by

> > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> >

>

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While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we all

must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

 

" There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. "

 

It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

 

Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative than

blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

 

Just a thought...!

 

Ranjan

 

vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter

OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause

of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is

not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What

you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit

grammar and writing styles.

>

> One point needs to be made bluntly here.

>

> There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need

for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where

there is no ambiguity.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > Brother Narsimha,

> >

> > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> >

> > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> >

> > Here in this context,

> >

> > Va means - " Or " .

> > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> >

> > So, meaning goes like this -

> >

> > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> >

> > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > Jyotish.

> >

> > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > order of Sharada Yoga.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal.

> >

> > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > >

> > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > 11'th.

> > >

> > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > There is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > >

> > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > house

> > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > in

> > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > >

> > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > not

> > > > strong.

> > > >

> > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > >

> > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > about

> > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > The

> > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > Astrology.

> > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > is

> > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > Pisces

> > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > The

> > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > all

> > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > is

> > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > Saraswathi

> > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > being

> > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > lose

> > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > on

> > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > retrograde

> > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > from

> > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > Astrology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > >

> > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > write

> > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > will

> > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > >

> > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > by

> > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > remember

> > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > Sharada

> > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > study

> > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > in

> > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > 9'th

> > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > darkness.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > parivartana

> > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > retro

> > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > is

> > > > with

> > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > which

> > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > the

> > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > do

> > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > exclusively

> > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > begger

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > followed

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > door,I

> > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > everybody

> > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > worth

> > > > > a

> > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > predicted

> > > > that

> > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > is

> > > > at

> > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > show

> > > > > what

> > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > has

> > > > got

> > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > reast of

> > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > required

> > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > sadhana

> > > > > and

> > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > more

> > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > treated as

> > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > themselves

> > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > envaloped

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > you

> > > > > had

> > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > success,

> > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > it

> > > > > seems

> > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > to

> > > > this

> > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > orbit

> > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > you

> > > > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > gossips

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > some

> > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > check

> > > > > what

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > by

> > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > with

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > >

> >

>

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Namaste,

 

The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter

OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause

of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is

not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What

you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit

grammar and writing styles.

 

One point needs to be made bluntly here.

 

There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need

for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where

there is no ambiguity.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

> Brother Narsimha,

>

> Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

>

> !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

>

> Here in this context,

>

> Va means - " Or " .

> Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

>

> So, meaning goes like this -

>

> In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

>

> Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> Jyotish.

>

> I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> order of Sharada Yoga.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I just have one factual correction to make:

> >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> >

> > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> There is no ambiguity.

> >

> > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> > >

> > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> house

> > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> in

> > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > >

> > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> not

> > > strong.

> > >

> > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > >

> > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> about

> > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> The

> > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> Astrology.

> > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > >

> > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > >

> > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> is

> > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> Pisces

> > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> The

> > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> all

> > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> is

> > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> Saraswathi

> > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> being

> > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> lose

> > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> on

> > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> retrograde

> > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> from

> > > the classics on this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > >

> > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> write

> > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > will

> > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > >

> > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > Kendradhipati

> > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> by

> > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> being

> > > in

> > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> remember

> > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> Sharada

> > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > study

> > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> in

> > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> 9'th

> > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > darkness.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> parivartana

> > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> retro

> > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> is

> > > with

> > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> which

> > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> the

> > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> do

> > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > >

> > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > Mahtma

> > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > exclusively

> > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> begger

> > > > on

> > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > followed

> > > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > door,I

> > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > everybody

> > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > worth

> > > > a

> > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> predicted

> > > that

> > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> is

> > > at

> > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> show

> > > > what

> > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> reast of

> > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> required

> > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> sadhana

> > > > and

> > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> more

> > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> treated as

> > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > themselves

> > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> envaloped

> > > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> you

> > > > had

> > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > success,

> > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> it

> > > > seems

> > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> to

> > > this

> > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> orbit

> > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> you

> > > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > gossips

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> some

> > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> check

> > > > what

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> by

> > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> >

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Dear Ranjan,

 

You are right.

 

The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen

by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned

lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

 

Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's

words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa

(articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several

practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles),

things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it

before.

 

One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

>

> " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. "

>

> It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

>

> Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

>

> Just a thought...!

>

> Ranjan

>

> vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> >

> > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> >

> > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need

for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where

there is no ambiguity.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

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> > -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > > Brother Narsimha,

> > >

> > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > >

> > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > Here in this context,

> > >

> > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > >

> > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > >

> > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -

> > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > -

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > house

> > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > not

> > > > > strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > The

> > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > is

> > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > Pisces

> > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > The

> > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > all

> > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > is

> > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > Saraswathi

> > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > being

> > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > lose

> > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > on

> > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > retrograde

> > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > from

> > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > write

> > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > remember

> > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > Sharada

> > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > study

> > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > in

> > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > parivartana

> > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > retro

> > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > which

> > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > the

> > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > do

> > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > begger

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > worth

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > is

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > show

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > reast of

> > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > required

> > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > sadhana

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > more

> > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > treated as

> > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > envaloped

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > you

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > success,

> > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > it

> > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > orbit

> > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > you

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > check

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > by

> > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Narsimha,

 

Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha

precisely.

 

Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha

.....

 

The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " ,

and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause.

 

Hope it's enough.

 

Utkal.

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next

clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous

clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There

is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to

me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

>

> One point needs to be made bluntly here.

>

> There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions.

There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and

create confusions even where there is no ambiguity.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > Brother Narsimha,

> >

> > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> >

> > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> >

> > Here in this context,

> >

> > Va means - " Or " .

> > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> >

> > So, meaning goes like this -

> >

> > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines

to

> > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> >

> > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated

in

> > Jyotish.

> >

> > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

highest

> > order of Sharada Yoga.

> >

> > regards,

> > Utkal.

> >

> > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > >

> > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

Sharada

> > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

in

> > 11'th.

> > >

> > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars

being

> > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a

mistake.

> > There is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a

trine

> > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

-

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > >

-

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > >

> > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

Sharada

> > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

in

> > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > house

> > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts

Merc

> > in

> > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > >

> > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present

but

> > not

> > > > strong.

> > > >

> > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

wrong

> > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > >

> > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly

mentioned

> > about

> > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on

'Yogakarakas'.

> > The

> > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not

give

> > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > Astrology.

> > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of

giving

> > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > >

> > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna

(which

> > is

> > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > Pisces

> > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

period.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

doesn't

> > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

definition?

> > The

> > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and

Mercury

> > all

> > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately.

This

> > is

> > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > Saraswathi

> > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and

Jupiter

> > being

> > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

retrograde

> > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend

to

> > lose

> > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your

note

> > on

> > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > retrograde

> > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean

out

> > from

> > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > Astrology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > >

> > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions

within 4

> > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

transit

> > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need

to

> > write

> > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise

there

> > > > will

> > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > >

> > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and

aspected

> > by

> > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in

above

> > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage

of

> > being

> > > > in

> > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is

not

> > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > remember

> > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > Sharada

> > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand

amazing

> > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never

liked to

> > > > study

> > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one

needs

> > in

> > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect

on

> > 9'th

> > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to

dispel

> > > > > darkness.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

9'th

> > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > parivartana

> > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem

is

> > retro

> > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as

it

> > is

> > > > with

> > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of

you

> > which

> > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest

of

> > the

> > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and

even

> > do

> > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami

Vivekananda or

> > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > exclusively

> > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's

small

> > > > > world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or

a

> > begger

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they

honestly

> > > > > followed

> > > > > > that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of

next

> > > > door,I

> > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > everybody

> > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful

world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and

is

> > > > worth

> > > > > a

> > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > predicted

> > > > that

> > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

country

> > is

> > > > at

> > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we

will

> > show

> > > > > what

> > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

9'th

> > has

> > > > got

> > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > reast of

> > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all

benifics

> > are

> > > > in

> > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > required

> > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > sadhana

> > > > > and

> > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much

much

> > more

> > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

Shambavi.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > treated as

> > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people

are

> > > > > themselves

> > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > envaloped

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at

least

> > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > ...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was

that

> > you

> > > > > had

> > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of

all

> > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > success,

> > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'.

But

> > it

> > > > > seems

> > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a

response

> > to

> > > > this

> > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during

its

> > orbit

> > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and

planets!

> > :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at

oneself,

> > you

> > > > > want

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non

astro

> > > > > gossips

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ?

Have

> > some

> > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope

to

> > check

> > > > > what

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

should

> > have

> > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

anyways

> > by

> > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

minister

> > > > with

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > >

> >

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Dear Ranjan,

 

You are right.

 

The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture seen

by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer tuned

lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

 

Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of Parasara's

words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi graha dasa

(articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment and several

practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles),

things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it

before.

 

One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

>

> " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. "

>

> It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

>

> Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

>

> Just a thought...!

>

> Ranjan

>

> vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> >

> > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> >

> > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need

for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where

there is no ambiguity.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > > Brother Narsimha,

> > >

> > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > >

> > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > Here in this context,

> > >

> > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > >

> > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > >

> > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -

> > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > -

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > house

> > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > not

> > > > > strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > The

> > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > is

> > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > Pisces

> > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > The

> > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > all

> > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > is

> > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > Saraswathi

> > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > being

> > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > lose

> > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > on

> > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > retrograde

> > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > from

> > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > write

> > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > remember

> > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > Sharada

> > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > study

> > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > in

> > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > parivartana

> > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > retro

> > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > which

> > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > the

> > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > do

> > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > begger

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > worth

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > is

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > show

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > reast of

> > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > required

> > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > sadhana

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > more

> > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > treated as

> > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > envaloped

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > you

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > success,

> > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > it

> > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > orbit

> > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > you

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > check

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > by

> > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Dear Narasimha Ji

 

There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and

''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain

extent that your convictions were not totally pure.

 

Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you.

Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ?

 

Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not learned

in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti). Everything

is already there.

 

It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters.

 

Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so.

 

If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava.

We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any

mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''.

 

Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on it.

However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we forget

the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather.

 

Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let

us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall

prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate.

 

Happy Vishu.

 

Pradeep

 

 

vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan,

>

> You are right.

>

> The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

>

> Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I

would wonder why I could not see it before.

>

> One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> >

> > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> >

> > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> >

> > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> >

> > Just a thought...!

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > >

> > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > >

> > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > >

> > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > Here in this context,

> > > >

> > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > >

> > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > >

> > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -

> > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > > not

> > > > > > strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > The

> > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > > The

> > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > all

> > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > is

> > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > being

> > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > lose

> > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > > on

> > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > from

> > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > retro

> > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > begger

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > > is

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > show

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > check

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Narsimha,

 

Eye Sight problem that you are facing is due to malific mars and saturn from 8th

house aspects your 2nd house of cognition.

 

Why my eye sight is better is becoz both 2nd house house and 2nd lord are

aspected by Jup.

 

Eyesight is also determined by sun and venus. Your 9th lord venus has gone to

8th house and badly afflicted by mars and saturn.

 

Further, in the 6th house which is trine to 2nd house, you got Rahu. So,

afflictiön is very high, this is the reason, you get blurre pictures, dont get

clarity on simple shlokas, hope you wear specs too, a study of sanskrit vyakaran

( grammer) wd help you a lot.

 

Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m

aware where you go wrong.

 

Take Care,

Utkal

 

JyotinshGroup , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan,

>

> You are right.

>

> The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

>

> Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I

would wonder why I could not see it before.

>

> One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> >

> > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> >

> > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> >

> > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> >

> > Just a thought...!

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > >

> > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > >

> > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > >

> > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > Here in this context,

> > > >

> > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > >

> > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > >

> > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -

> > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > > not

> > > > > > strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > The

> > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > > The

> > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > all

> > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > is

> > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > being

> > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > lose

> > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > > on

> > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > from

> > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > retro

> > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > begger

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > > is

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > show

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > check

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Namaste,

 

> Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to

you.

 

Kindly do not put words in my mouth.

 

All I said was that a few specific things are " much clearer " than before.

 

> Isn't there a possibility that things can be

> still purer tommorrow ?

 

Of course, there is.

 

> Happy Vishu.

 

Happy solar new year to all!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha Ji

>

> There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and

''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain

extent that your convictions were not totally pure.

>

> Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to

you. Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ?

>

> Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not

learned in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti).

Everything is already there.

>

> It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters.

>

> Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so.

>

> If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava.

> We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any

mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''.

>

> Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on

it. However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we

forget the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather.

>

> Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let

us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall

prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate.

>

> Happy Vishu.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ranjan,

> >

> > You are right.

> >

> > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

> >

> > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I

would wonder why I could not see it before.

> >

> > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> >

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha,

we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> > >

> > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> > >

> > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> > >

> > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and

restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires

calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> > >

> > > Just a thought...!

> > >

> > > Ranjan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > > >

> > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > > >

> > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -

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> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:

> > > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > > >

> > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Here in this context,

> > > > >

> > > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > > >

> > > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > > >

> > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines

to

> > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated

in

> > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

highest

> > > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

Sharada

> > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars

being

> > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a

trine

> > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

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> > > > > > -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

Sharada

> > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > > 11'th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts

Merc

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present

but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > strong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not

give

> > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna

(which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

period.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

doesn't

> > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

definition?

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

retrograde

> > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > > lose

> > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your

note

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within

4

> > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

transit

> > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise

there

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in

above

> > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is

not

> > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked

to

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

9'th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > > retro

> > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest

of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and

even

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda

or

> > > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's

small

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > > begger

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and

is

> > > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

country

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > > show

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much

much

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

Shambavi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was

that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of

all

> > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non

astro

> > > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ?

Have

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

should

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

anyways

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

minister

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

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Namaste Lalit/Utkal,

 

The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is

the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly

" gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " .

There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or "

must be " vaa " .

 

Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas.

Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt

that you do not know Sanskrit.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

> Narsimha,

>

> Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha

> precisely.

>

> Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha

> ....

>

> The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " ,

> and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause.

>

> Hope it's enough.

>

> Utkal.

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

> " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next

> clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous

> clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There

> is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to

> me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> >

> > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> >

> > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

> Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions.

> There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and

> create confusions even where there is no ambiguity.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

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> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > Brother Narsimha,

> > >

> > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > >

> > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > Here in this context,

> > >

> > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > >

> > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > >

> > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines

> to

> > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated

> in

> > > Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

> highest

> > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

> in

> > > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars

> being

> > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a

> mistake.

> > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a

> trine

> > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> -

> > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

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> > > >

> -

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

> in

> > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > house

> > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts

> Merc

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present

> but

> > > not

> > > > > strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly

> mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on

> 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > The

> > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not

> give

> > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of

> giving

> > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna

> (which

> > > is

> > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > Pisces

> > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

> period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

> doesn't

> > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

> definition?

> > > The

> > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and

> Mercury

> > > all

> > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately.

> This

> > > is

> > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > Saraswathi

> > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and

> Jupiter

> > > being

> > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

> retrograde

> > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend

> to

> > > lose

> > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your

> note

> > > on

> > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > retrograde

> > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean

> out

> > > from

> > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions

> within 4

> > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

> transit

> > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need

> to

> > > write

> > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise

> there

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in

> above

> > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage

> of

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is

> not

> > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > remember

> > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > Sharada

> > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand

> amazing

> > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never

> liked to

> > > > > study

> > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one

> needs

> > > in

> > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect

> on

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to

> dispel

> > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > parivartana

> > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem

> is

> > > retro

> > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as

> it

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of

> you

> > > which

> > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and

> even

> > > do

> > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami

> Vivekananda or

> > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's

> small

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or

> a

> > > begger

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they

> honestly

> > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of

> next

> > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful

> world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and

> is

> > > > > worth

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

> country

> > > is

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we

> will

> > > show

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > reast of

> > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all

> benifics

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > required

> > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > sadhana

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much

> much

> > > more

> > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

> Shambavi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > treated as

> > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people

> are

> > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > envaloped

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at

> least

> > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was

> that

> > > you

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of

> all

> > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > success,

> > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'.

> But

> > > it

> > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a

> response

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during

> its

> > > orbit

> > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and

> planets!

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at

> oneself,

> > > you

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non

> astro

> > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ?

> Have

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope

> to

> > > check

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

> should

> > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

> anyways

> > > by

> > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

> minister

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

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Great mail.. hope all relevant people take hint..

 

-Utkal

 

--- On Tue, 13/4/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

Re: Sarada Yoga

, vedic astrology

Tuesday, 13 April, 2010, 8:05 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e. " Jupiter

OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The next clause

of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using alone and is

not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to interpret this. What

you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit

grammar and writing styles.

 

One point needs to be made bluntly here.

 

There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and Sanskrit

scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is no need

for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even where

there is no ambiguity.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...>

wrote:

> Brother Narsimha,

>

> Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

>

> !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

>

> Here in this context,

>

> Va means - " Or " .

> Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

>

> So, meaning goes like this -

>

> In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

>

> Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> Jyotish.

>

> I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> order of Sharada Yoga.

>

> regards,

> Utkal.

>

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I just have one factual correction to make:

> >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> >

> > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> There is no ambiguity.

> >

> > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > >

> > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> 11'th.

> > >

> > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> house

> > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> in

> > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > >

> > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> not

> > > strong.

> > >

> > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal

> > >

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > >

> > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> about

> > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas' .

> The

> > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> Astrology.

> > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > >

> > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > >

> > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> is

> > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> Pisces

> > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> The

> > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> all

> > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> is

> > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> Saraswathi

> > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> being

> > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> lose

> > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> on

> > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> retrograde

> > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> from

> > > the classics on this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > >

> > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > >

> > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> write

> > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > will

> > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > >

> > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > >

> > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > Kendradhipati

> > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> by

> > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> being

> > > in

> > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > >

> > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> remember

> > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> Sharada

> > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > >

> > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > study

> > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> in

> > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> 9'th

> > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > darkness.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> parivartana

> > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> retro

> > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> is

> > > with

> > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> Astrology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> which

> > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> the

> > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> do

> > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > >

> > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > Mahtma

> > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > exclusively

> > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> begger

> > > > on

> > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > followed

> > > > > that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > door,I

> > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > everybody

> > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > >

> > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > worth

> > > > a

> > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> predicted

> > > that

> > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> is

> > > at

> > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> show

> > > > what

> > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> has

> > > got

> > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> reast of

> > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> are

> > > in

> > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> required

> > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> sadhana

> > > > and

> > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> more

> > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> treated as

> > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > themselves

> > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> envaloped

> > > > > world.

> > > > >

> > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > ...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> you

> > > > had

> > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > success,

> > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> it

> > > > seems

> > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> to

> > > this

> > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> orbit

> > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> you

> > > > want

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > gossips

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> some

> > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> check

> > > > what

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> have

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> by

> > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > with

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Narasimha Ji

 

There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and

''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain

extent that your convictions were not totally pure.

 

Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to you.

Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ?

 

Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not learned

in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti). Everything

is already there.

 

It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters.

 

Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so.

 

If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava.

We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any

mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''.

 

Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on it.

However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we forget

the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather.

 

Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let

us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall

prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate.

 

Happy Vishu.

 

Pradeep

 

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan,

>

> You are right.

>

> The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

>

> Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I

would wonder why I could not see it before.

>

> One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> >

> > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> >

> > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> >

> > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> >

> > Just a thought...!

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > >

> > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > >

> > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > >

> > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > Here in this context,

> > > >

> > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > >

> > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > >

> > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -

> > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > > not

> > > > > > strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > The

> > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > > The

> > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > all

> > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > is

> > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > being

> > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > lose

> > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > > on

> > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > from

> > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > retro

> > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > begger

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > > is

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > show

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > check

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Namaste,

 

> Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to

you.

 

Kindly do not put words in my mouth.

 

All I said was that a few specific things are " much clearer " than before.

 

> Isn't there a possibility that things can be

> still purer tommorrow ?

 

Of course, there is.

 

> Happy Vishu.

 

Happy solar new year to all!

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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vedic astrology , " Vijayadas " <vijayadas_pradeep

wrote:

>

> Dear Narasimha Ji

>

> There was a time when you had believed that all your ''interpretations'' and

''theories'' were true. However with time you could understand to a certain

extent that your convictions were not totally pure.

>

> Today at another point in time you believe everything is clear and purer to

you. Isn't there a possibility that things can be still purer tommorrow ?

>

> Subjects like Jyotish, or for that matter any pure contemplation is not

learned in Jagrat Avastha. Real learning happens from rememberance(Dhriti).

Everything is already there.

>

> It is our Bhava-and there by the attitude that matters.

>

> Lord says among the Vedas , i am Sama. You know better than me why it is so.

>

> If Siva and Shakthi do not unite, there is no pure Bhava.

> We are not allowed to re-arrange their pattern within a rashi through any

mathematical exercise. When all the Rasas ooze you can be in HIS own ''Bhava''.

>

> Among faculties, mathematics ranks high. The Tala, Chandas etc are based on

it. However there is a further darshana, which is beyond mathematics -when we

forget the presence of mathematical patterns and gets immersed in it, rather.

>

> Thus we may not make conclusions, as we do not know, whose vision is poor. Let

us be assured about one thing - irrespective of the Yuga, Truth alone shall

prevail. Let the Viveka helps us to discriminate.

>

> Happy Vishu.

>

> Pradeep

>

> vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ranjan,

> >

> > You are right.

> >

> > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

> >

> > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I

would wonder why I could not see it before.

> >

> > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> >

> > vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha,

we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> > >

> > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> > >

> > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> > >

> > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and

restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires

calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> > >

> > > Just a thought...!

> > >

> > > Ranjan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > > >

> > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > > >

> > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > -

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> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi@> wrote:

> > > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > > >

> > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Here in this context,

> > > > >

> > > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > > >

> > > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > > >

> > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines

to

> > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated

in

> > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

highest

> > > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

Sharada

> > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars

being

> > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a

trine

> > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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> > > > > > -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

Sharada

> > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > > 11'th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts

Merc

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present

but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > strong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not

give

> > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna

(which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

period.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

doesn't

> > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

definition?

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

retrograde

> > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > > lose

> > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your

note

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within

4

> > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

transit

> > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise

there

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in

above

> > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is

not

> > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked

to

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

9'th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > > retro

> > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest

of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and

even

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda

or

> > > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's

small

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > > begger

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and

is

> > > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

country

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > > show

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much

much

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

Shambavi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was

that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of

all

> > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non

astro

> > > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ?

Have

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

should

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

anyways

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

minister

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

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Namaste Lalit/Utkal,

 

The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is

the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly

" gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " .

There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or "

must be " vaa " .

 

Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas.

Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt

that you do not know Sanskrit.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi

wrote:

> Narsimha,

>

> Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha

> precisely.

>

> Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha

> ....

>

> The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " ,

> and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause.

>

> Hope it's enough.

>

> Utkal.

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

> " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next

> clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous

> clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There

> is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to

> me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> >

> > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> >

> > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

> Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions.

> There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and

> create confusions even where there is no ambiguity.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > -

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> > -

> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > Brother Narsimha,

> > >

> > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > >

> > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > Here in this context,

> > >

> > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > >

> > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > >

> > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines

> to

> > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated

> in

> > > Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

> highest

> > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

> in

> > > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars

> being

> > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a

> mistake.

> > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a

> trine

> > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

> -

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> > > >

> -

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

> in

> > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > house

> > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts

> Merc

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present

> but

> > > not

> > > > > strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly

> mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on

> 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > The

> > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not

> give

> > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of

> giving

> > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna

> (which

> > > is

> > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > Pisces

> > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

> period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

> doesn't

> > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

> definition?

> > > The

> > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and

> Mercury

> > > all

> > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately.

> This

> > > is

> > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > Saraswathi

> > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and

> Jupiter

> > > being

> > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

> retrograde

> > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend

> to

> > > lose

> > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your

> note

> > > on

> > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > retrograde

> > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean

> out

> > > from

> > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions

> within 4

> > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

> transit

> > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need

> to

> > > write

> > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise

> there

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in

> above

> > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage

> of

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is

> not

> > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > remember

> > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > Sharada

> > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand

> amazing

> > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never

> liked to

> > > > > study

> > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one

> needs

> > > in

> > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect

> on

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to

> dispel

> > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > parivartana

> > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem

> is

> > > retro

> > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as

> it

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of

> you

> > > which

> > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and

> even

> > > do

> > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami

> Vivekananda or

> > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's

> small

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or

> a

> > > begger

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they

> honestly

> > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of

> next

> > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful

> world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and

> is

> > > > > worth

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

> country

> > > is

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we

> will

> > > show

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > reast of

> > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all

> benifics

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > required

> > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > sadhana

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much

> much

> > > more

> > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

> Shambavi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > treated as

> > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people

> are

> > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > envaloped

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at

> least

> > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was

> that

> > > you

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of

> all

> > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > success,

> > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'.

> But

> > > it

> > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a

> response

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during

> its

> > > orbit

> > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and

> planets!

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at

> oneself,

> > > you

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non

> astro

> > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ?

> Have

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope

> to

> > > check

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

> should

> > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

> anyways

> > > by

> > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

> minister

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

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Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m

aware where you go wrong.

 

 

 

 

ha ha ha....

 

And everybody else has become aware now that Lalit aka Utkal Panigrahi does

not know sanskrit sentence constructions..  that too a simple sentence.. lol..

only empty claims ....

 

it is never late to kill the ego and come back to right path.. but rahu is too

blind to see beyond ones ego.. lol..

 

Utkal

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 14/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote:

 

 

utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi

Re: Sarada Yoga

 

Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 8:11 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Narsimha,

 

Eye Sight problem that you are facing is due to malific mars and saturn from 8th

house aspects your 2nd house of cognition.

 

Why my eye sight is better is becoz both 2nd house house and 2nd lord are

aspected by Jup.

 

Eyesight is also determined by sun and venus. Your 9th lord venus has gone to

8th house and badly afflicted by mars and saturn.

 

Further, in the 6th house which is trine to 2nd house, you got Rahu. So,

afflictiön is very high, this is the reason, you get blurre pictures, dont get

clarity on simple shlokas, hope you wear specs too, a study of sanskrit vyakaran

( grammer) wd help you a lot.

 

Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's why i m

aware where you go wrong.

 

Take Care,

Utkal

 

JyotinshGroup, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan,

>

> You are right.

>

> The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

>

> Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/

articles), things would become much clearer and I would wonder why I could not

see it before.

>

> One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

>

> vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> >

> > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> >

> > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> >

> > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> >

> > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> >

> > Just a thought...!

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > >

> > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > >

> > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

> > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@

> wrote:

> > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > >

> > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > Here in this context,

> > > >

> > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > >

> > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > >

> > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > > not

> > > > > > strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas' .

> > > > The

> > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > > The

> > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > all

> > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > is

> > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > being

> > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > lose

> > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > > on

> > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > from

> > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > retro

> > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > begger

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > > is

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > show

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > check

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Brother Narasimha

 

 

Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt

that you do not know Sanskrit.

 

 

 

this simple conclusion most of people in forum already knew... why it took so

long for you to guess? 

 

Mr Lalit Mishra/Utkal Panigrahu studied 4 years sanskrit from nursery to class

3 and then tried his hand at interpreting BHPS and made such amazing

interpretation with his 4 years sanskrit (asuming he did not faail in

between) knowledge that Parashar jee started rolling in his grave. Now you know

where Lalit MIshra aka Utkal Panigrahi ji's jyotish interpretations comes from,

his 4 years of indepth sanskrit study!. No laugh please, this serious

scholarships matter with some egos, therefore no chance of any miss tyke.. 

soon he will show the world how they do not know sanskrit and only he and

Parasharji knows the real sanskrit.

 

Utkal 

 

ps: brother Narasmiha kindly do not use such abracadabra bouncers like saptami

vibhakti form of something something, Utkal Panigrahi jee with then show you and

the whole world about the hidden navam vibhakti form of a word which he has

discovered and your bhakti on wibhaktis will vanish forever!

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 14/4/10, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

 

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr

Re: Sarada Yoga

vedic astrology ,

Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 6:37 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste Lalit/Utkal,

 

The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as " GYe " is

the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda " GYa " , similarly

" gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta puMlinga sabda " guru " .

There is no question of " au " being the " or " in " Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or "

must be " vaa " .

 

Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru sabdas.

Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond reasonable doubt

that you do not know Sanskrit.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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, " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@ ...>

wrote:

> Narsimha,

>

> Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi Vigraha

> precisely.

>

> Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe Cha

> ....

>

> The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or Merc " ,

> and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause.

>

> Hope it's enough.

>

> Utkal.

> , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

> " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next

> clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous

> clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There

> is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to

> me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> >

> > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> >

> > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

> Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions.

> There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and

> create confusions even where there is no ambiguity.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

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> >

> > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > Brother Narsimha,

> > >

> > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > >

> > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > >

> > > Here in this context,

> > >

> > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > >

> > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > >

> > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines

> to

> > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated

> in

> > > Jyotish.

> > >

> > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

> highest

> > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > > Utkal.

> > >

> > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

> in

> > > 11'th.

> > > >

> > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars

> being

> > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a

> mistake.

> > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a

> trine

> > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > >

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> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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> > > >

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> Sharada

> > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be

> in

> > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > house

> > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts

> Merc

> > > in

> > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > >

> > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present

> but

> > > not

> > > > > strong.

> > > > >

> > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> wrong

> > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly

> mentioned

> > > about

> > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on

> 'Yogakarakas' .

> > > The

> > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not

> give

> > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > Astrology.

> > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of

> giving

> > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna

> (which

> > > is

> > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > Pisces

> > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

> period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

> doesn't

> > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

> definition?

> > > The

> > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and

> Mercury

> > > all

> > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately.

> This

> > > is

> > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > Saraswathi

> > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and

> Jupiter

> > > being

> > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

> retrograde

> > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend

> to

> > > lose

> > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your

> note

> > > on

> > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > retrograde

> > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean

> out

> > > from

> > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions

> within 4

> > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

> transit

> > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need

> to

> > > write

> > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise

> there

> > > > > will

> > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and

> aspected

> > > by

> > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in

> above

> > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage

> of

> > > being

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is

> not

> > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > remember

> > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > Sharada

> > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand

> amazing

> > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never

> liked to

> > > > > study

> > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one

> needs

> > > in

> > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect

> on

> > > 9'th

> > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to

> dispel

> > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > parivartana

> > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem

> is

> > > retro

> > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as

> it

> > > is

> > > > > with

> > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of

> you

> > > which

> > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and

> even

> > > do

> > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami

> Vivekananda or

> > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's

> small

> > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or

> a

> > > begger

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they

> honestly

> > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of

> next

> > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful

> world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and

> is

> > > > > worth

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > predicted

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

> country

> > > is

> > > > > at

> > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we

> will

> > > show

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> 9'th

> > > has

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > reast of

> > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all

> benifics

> > > are

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > required

> > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > sadhana

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much

> much

> > > more

> > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

> Shambavi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > treated as

> > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people

> are

> > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > envaloped

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at

> least

> > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was

> that

> > > you

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of

> all

> > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > success,

> > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'.

> But

> > > it

> > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a

> response

> > > to

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during

> its

> > > orbit

> > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and

> planets!

> > > :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at

> oneself,

> > > you

> > > > > > want

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non

> astro

> > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ?

> Have

> > > some

> > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope

> to

> > > check

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

> should

> > > have

> > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

> anyways

> > > by

> > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

> minister

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And, Narasimha, it helps also from time to time to not panic but just moisten,

wipe and polish the existing set of glasses!

 

Jyotish can be quite a 'foggy-mayavini-terrain' and a good wipe always comes in

handy from time to time ;-)

 

Regards,

 

Rohiniranjan

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Dear Ranjan,

>

> You are right.

>

> The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred picture

seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with finer and finer

tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper. Similarly, as one's

intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity in the words of rishis

disappears more and more and things become clearer and clearer.

>

> Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding of

Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma karaka kendradi

graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable principles of judgment

and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/articles), things would become much clearer and I

would wonder why I could not see it before.

>

> One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look much

crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize that one's

vision is not clear.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> vedic astrology , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness, Narasimha, we

all must also keep in our minds what you said in your message, namely,

> >

> > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> >

> > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity' was not

created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the replications

thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in the DNA (some for

good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the care of Mother Nature,

what is a relatively more evanescent trace whether in a weathered ancient

document or a fading recollection of a inter-generational transmission!

> >

> > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and restorative

than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that requires calm, wise,

relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> >

> > Just a thought...!

> >

> > Ranjan

> >

> > vedic astrology , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " , i.e.

" Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next clause. The

next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous clause using

alone and is not at all an optional condition. There is no other way to

interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to me that you are not a

scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > >

> > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > >

> > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places and

Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough confusions. There is

no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and create confusions even

where there is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > -

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi@>

wrote:

> > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > >

> > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > Here in this context,

> > > >

> > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > >

> > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > >

> > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in trines to

> > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly appreciated in

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the highest

> > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus, Mars being

> > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a mistake.

> > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in a trine

> > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > -

> > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > > > > -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to be in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects 9'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu conjuncts Merc

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is present but

> > > > not

> > > > > > strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > The

> > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will not give

> > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of giving

> > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning lagna (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic for

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination doesn't

> > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your definition?

> > > > The

> > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and Mercury

> > > > all

> > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or separately. This

> > > > is

> > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and Jupiter

> > > > being

> > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though retrograde

> > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they tend to

> > > > lose

> > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to your note

> > > > on

> > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you glean out

> > > > from

> > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions within 4

> > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as transit

> > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a need to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies otherwise there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation in above

> > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute advantage of

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but this is not

> > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but, when I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in Maa

> > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand amazing

> > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never liked to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one needs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's aspect on

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to dispel

> > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account. Problem is

> > > > retro

> > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic as it

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers from

> > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side of you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like rest of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology and even

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc were

> > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in one's small

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me or a

> > > > begger

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they honestly

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy of next

> > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to see

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet and is

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today country

> > > > is

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we will

> > > > show

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point, otherwise,

> > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all benifics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't give

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp mantra

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and much much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or Shambavi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities are

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal people are

> > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at least

> > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression was that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore of all

> > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even greater

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for it'. But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a response

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns during its

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and planets!

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at oneself,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all non astro

> > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself ? Have

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your horoscope to

> > > > check

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who should

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated anyways

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime minister

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Narsimha,

 

Every Vibhakti is nothing but a Suffix added to root word in sanskrit,

further such suffixes or vibhaktis are mapped to karka roles (thematic

roles).By identifying the vibhakti, cases can be determined, Go through

the following link for details -

 

*

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Case+frame+generation+for+Sanskrit+languag\

e--a+knowledge...-a0215514756

<http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Case+frame+generation+for+Sanskrit+langua\

ge--a+knowledge...-a0215514756>

*

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/specials/hthor_classx/sanskrit.shtml

<http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/specials/hthor_classx/sanskrit.shtml\

>

 

In order to have a clarity of meanings, I suggested you to dissect the

Suffix (Au) to root word (Guru). Guru as ending in 'U' is Ukarant, is

common knowledge.

 

Now, it should be clarified to you.

 

Utkal.

 

 

, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste Lalit/Utkal,

>

> The word gurau is not a " sandhi " and " au " does not mean " or " . Just as

" GYe " is the saptami vibhakti form of the akaaraanta puMlinga sabda

" GYa " , similarly " gurau " is the saptami vibhakti form of the ukaaraanta

puMlinga sabda " guru " . There is no question of " au " being the " or " in

" Jupiter or Mercury " . That " or " must be " vaa " .

>

> Anybody who learnt Sanskrit should *atleast* know raama, hari and guru

sabdas. Your " interpretation " of the word " gurau " establishes beyond

reasonable doubt that you do not know Sanskrit.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -

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> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -

>

> , " utkal.panigrahi "

utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > Narsimha,

> >

> > Pls review the way you are taking the shloka - Pls do the Sandhi

Vigraha

> > precisely.

> >

> > Try to understand " Chandrat Kone Gur{AU} Gye ..... " Va Kuje Labhe

Cha

> > ....

> >

> > The " AU " appended to term Guru (Jup) is used to denote " Guru or

Merc " ,

> > and Va is connector for the remaining part of the clause.

> >

> > Hope it's enough.

> >

> > Utkal.

> > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " ,

i.e.

> > " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next

> > clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the

previous

> > clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition.

There

> > is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly

shows to

> > me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing

styles.

> > >

> > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > >

> > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places

and

> > Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough

confusions.

> > There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit verses and

> > create confusions even where there is no ambiguity.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

-

> > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> > >

-

> > >

> > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > >

> > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > >

> > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > >

> > > > Here in this context,

> > > >

> > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > >

> > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > >

> > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in

trines

> > to

> > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada

Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly

appreciated

> > in

> > > > Jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be the

> > highest

> > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > >

> > > > regards,

> > > > Utkal.

> > > >

> > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe

cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> > Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to

be

> > in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > >

> > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus,

Mars

> > being

> > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a

> > mistake.

> > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > >

> > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is in

a

> > trine

> > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > >

> > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

> > -

> > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

Tarpana:

> > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> > > > > Jyotish writings:

JyotishWritings

> > > > >

> > -

> > > > >

> > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje Labhe

cha

> > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there is

> > Sharada

> > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje) to

be

> > in

> > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars aspects

9'th

> > > > house

> > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu

conjuncts

> > Merc

> > > > in

> > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is

present

> > but

> > > > not

> > > > > > strong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > > <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology,

It's

> > wrong

> > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was

written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly

> > mentioned

> > > > about

> > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on

> > 'Yogakarakas'.

> > > > The

> > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras will

not

> > give

> > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of Vedic

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category of

> > giving

> > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning

lagna

> > (which

> > > > is

> > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a benefic

for

> > > > Pisces

> > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during Jupiter

> > period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon combination

> > doesn't

> > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

> > definition?

> > > > The

> > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and

> > Mercury

> > > > all

> > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or

separately.

> > This

> > > > is

> > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your chart,

> > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and

> > Jupiter

> > > > being

> > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

> > retrograde

> > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they

tend

> > to

> > > > lose

> > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to

your

> > note

> > > > on

> > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much on

> > > > retrograde

> > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you

glean

> > out

> > > > from

> > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology, It's

> > wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was

written.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two promotions

> > within 4

> > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount, as

> > transit

> > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a

need

> > to

> > > > write

> > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies

otherwise

> > there

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because of

> > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and

> > aspected

> > > > by

> > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation

in

> > above

> > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute

advantage

> > of

> > > > being

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but

this is

> > not

> > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but,

when I

> > > > remember

> > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in

Maa

> > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand

> > amazing

> > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies, never

> > liked to

> > > > > > study

> > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that one

> > needs

> > > > in

> > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's

aspect

> > on

> > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil to

> > dispel

> > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc

and

> > 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account.

Problem

> > is

> > > > retro

> > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a malefic

as

> > it

> > > > is

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers

from

> > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation

and

> > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good side

of

> > you

> > > > which

> > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also like

rest

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology

and

> > even

> > > > do

> > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami

> > Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc

were

> > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in

one's

> > small

> > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or me

or

> > a

> > > > begger

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they

> > honestly

> > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy

of

> > next

> > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish to

see

> > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a wonderful

> > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the bullet

and

> > is

> > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day, I

> > > > predicted

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them, today

> > country

> > > > is

> > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and we

> > will

> > > > show

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc and

> > 9'th

> > > > has

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point,

otherwise,

> > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all

> > benifics

> > > > are

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't

give

> > > > required

> > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp

mantra

> > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and

much

> > much

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

> > Shambavi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities

are

> > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal

people

> > are

> > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya that

> > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and at

> > least

> > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression

was

> > that

> > > > you

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the fore

of

> > all

> > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even

greater

> > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for

it'.

> > But

> > > > it

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a

> > response

> > > > to

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns

during

> > its

> > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and

> > planets!

> > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at

> > oneself,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all

non

> > astro

> > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd yourself

?

> > Have

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your

horoscope

> > to

> > > > check

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi who

> > should

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten assassinated

> > anyways

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a prime

> > minister

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Prashant Pandey, the jealousness wont take you anywhere.

 

Shut UP.

 

 

, Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal

wrote:

>

> Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's

why i m aware where you go wrong.

>

> Â

> Â

> Â

> ha ha ha....

> Â

> And everybody else has become aware now that Lalit aka

Utkal Panigrahi does not know sanskrit sentence constructions..Â

that too a simple sentence.. lol.. only empty claims ....

> Â

> it is never late to kill the ego and come back to right path.. but

rahu is too blind to see beyond ones ego.. lol..

> Â

> Utkal

> Â

> Â

>

> --- On Wed, 14/4/10, utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi wrote:

>

>

> utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi

> Re: Sarada Yoga

>

> Wednesday, 14 April, 2010, 8:11 AM

>

>

> Â

>

>

>

> Narsimha,

>

> Eye Sight problem that you are facing is due to malific mars and

saturn from 8th house aspects your 2nd house of cognition.

>

> Why my eye sight is better is becoz both 2nd house house and 2nd lord

are aspected by Jup.

>

> Eyesight is also determined by sun and venus. Your 9th lord venus has

gone to 8th house and badly afflicted by mars and saturn.

>

> Further, in the 6th house which is trine to 2nd house, you got Rahu.

So, afflictiön is very high, this is the reason, you get blurre

pictures, dont get clarity on simple shlokas, hope you wear specs too, a

study of sanskrit vyakaran ( grammer) wd help you a lot.

>

> Sanskrit was a subject that i studied for 4 yrs at my school, that's

why i m aware where you go wrong.

>

> Take Care,

> Utkal

>

> JyotinshGroup, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Ranjan,

> >

> > You are right.

> >

> > The ambiguity in the words of rishis is like the blur in a blurred

picture seen by one whose eyesight is poor. As one puts on glasses with

finer and finer tuned lenses, the picture may seem crisper and crisper.

Similarly, as one's intelligence becomes purer and purer, the ambiguity

in the words of rishis disappears more and more and things become

clearer and clearer.

> >

> > Personally speaking, after I had breakthroughs in my understanding

of Parasara's words, whether it be drigdasa or sthira dasa or atma

karaka kendradi graha dasa (articles giving some simple and repeatable

principles of judgment and several practical examples can be read at

http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ articles), things would become much

clearer and I would wonder why I could not see it before.

> >

> > One with a poor eyesight may not even know that the picture can look

much crisper. Before one corrects one's vision, one needs to realize

that one's vision is not clear.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> >

> > vedic astrology, " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > While agreeing in toto with what you said with due frankness,

Narasimha, we all must also keep in our minds what you said in your

message, namely,

> > >

> > > " There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places

and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. "

> > >

> > > It is my belief (no direct scientific proof!) that the 'ambiguity'

was not created or introduced by the Rishis, but more during the

replications thereafter, over the millennia. If mutations can happen in

the DNA (some for good, some for worse!) that is more directly under the

care of Mother Nature, what is a relatively more evanescent trace

whether in a weathered ancient document or a fading recollection of a

inter-generational transmission!

> > >

> > > Cautious optimism is the keyword which is more constructive and

restorative than blatant scepticism! A fine balance, evidently that

requires calm, wise, relatively unbiased and mature minds...

> > >

> > > Just a thought...!

> > >

> > > Ranjan

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > The " vaa " (or) you refer to occurs as a part of " gurau GYe vaa " ,

i.e. " Jupiter OR Mercury " and there is no way to push it into the next

clause. The next clause of " Mars in 11th " is connected with the previous

clause using alone and is not at all an optional condition. There

is no other way to interpret this. What you wrote below clearly shows to

me that you are not a scholar of Sanskrit grammar and writing styles.

> > > >

> > > > One point needs to be made bluntly here.

> > > >

> > > > There are ambiguities in the teachings of rishis in some places

and Sanskrit scholars interpret differently. So we have enough

confusions. There is no need for non-scholars to interpret Sanskrit

verses and create confusions even where there is no ambiguity.

> > > >

> > > > Best regards,

> > > > Narasimha

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

Tarpana:

> > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri

tings

> > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> > > >

> > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

<utkal.panigrahi@ > wrote:

> > > > > Brother Narsimha,

> > > > >

> > > > > Before " Cha " there is " Va " in the shloka -

> > > > >

> > > > > !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye (Va) Kuje Labhe (Cha) Sharadah !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Here in this context,

> > > > >

> > > > > Va means - " Or " .

> > > > > Cha means - " As well as or Inluding or And "

> > > > >

> > > > > So, meaning goes like this -

> > > > >

> > > > > In both the cases (Cha Sharada) when ; 1) Jup or Merc are in

trines to

> > > > > Moon and 2.) Mars is 11'th (Labhe) to Moon there is Sharada

Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > Despite a malific, Mars in 11'th to any planet is highly

appreciated in

> > > > > Jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > I think, if both the combinations are there, that' could be

the highest

> > > > > order of Sharada Yoga.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards,

> > > > > Utkal.

> > > > >

> > > > > , Narasimha PVR Rao

<pvr@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I just have one factual correction to make:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje

Labhe cha

> > > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there

is Sharada

> > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje)

to be in

> > > > > 11'th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The word (as in " kuje laabhe cha " ) means " and " . Thus,

Mars being

> > > > > in 11th is not at all an " optional " condition, but a necessary

> > > > > condition. Whosever translation you are following has made a

mistake.

> > > > > There is no ambiguity.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The line you quoted clearly means " if Jupiter OR Mercury is

in a trine

> > > > > from Moon AND if Mars is in 11th " .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best regards,

> > > > > > Narasimha

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- -

> > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish

Writings,

> > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

Tarpana:

> > > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org

> > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org

> > > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri

tings

> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

--------- -

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As per Parashara - !! Chandrat Kone Gurau Gye va Kuje

Labhe cha

> > > > > > > Sharadah !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That Means - If , Merc or Jup is in trines to Moon there

is Sharada

> > > > > > > Yoga, he also puts an optional condition for Mars (Kuje)

to be in

> > > > > 11'th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I don't have Mars in 11'th, however, 9'th lord mars

aspects 9'th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > where is moon and by 2nd lordship of Scorpio, as Ketu

conjuncts Merc

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > 5'th, gives it's good and bad traits both.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So, in my self assessment, Sharada or Saraswati Yoga is

present but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > strong.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I w'd write on both Kendradhipatya and Retro planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > Utkal

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Utkal ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology,

It's wrong

> > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was

written.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This understanding is incorrect. Parashara has clearly

mentioned

> > > > > about

> > > > > > > this dosha in BPHS. Please look into the chapter on

'Yogakarakas' .

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > second verse says that natural benefics owning Kendras

will not give

> > > > > > > benefic results. Hence, this is undoubtedly a part of

Vedic

> > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > And, it should be used while delineating a chart.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In your case, Mercury clearly falls into this category

of giving

> > > > > > > malefic results due to owning two kendras.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, Jupiter escapes the rule by virtue of owning

lagna (which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > also considered a Kona) as well. Hence, Jupiter is a

benefic for

> > > > > Pisces

> > > > > > > rising. Hence, I guess you have good results during

Jupiter period.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As far as my knowledge goes, Mercury and Moon

combination doesn't

> > > > > > > produce Saraswathi Yoga. Can you give the source of your

definition?

> > > > > The

> > > > > > > definition of Saraswathi yoga is - When Jupiter, Venus and

Mercury

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > occupy Kendras or Konas or 2nd either together or

separately. This

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > according to 'Phaladeepika' of Mantreshwara. In your

chart,

> > > > > Saraswathi

> > > > > > > Yoga exists based on this definition. However, Mercury and

Jupiter

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > retrograde has hampered this yoga to some extent. Though

retrograde

> > > > > > > planets are stronger by virtue of getting chestabala, they

tend to

> > > > > lose

> > > > > > > their benefic nature by the same token. I look forward to

your note

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > retrograde planets. Classics have not clearly stated much

on

> > > > > retrograde

> > > > > > > planets. Hence, it would be interesting to see what you

glean out

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > the classics on this topic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sat, 10 April, 2010 11:26:36 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation

and

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Krishna Ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is no Kendradhipatya Dosha in vedic astrology,

It's wrong

> > > > > > > > proposition emphasized in the age Jatak Parijaata was

written.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In 2007 - 08, when Jup was in Dhanu, I got two

promotions within 4

> > > > > > > > month's time with almost 40% hike in take home amount,

as transit

> > > > > > > > co-incided with Ketu - Jup period, So, I feel there is a

need to

> > > > > write

> > > > > > > > on retrogradation of the planets with case studies

otherwise there

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > be huge loss to analytical skills of vedic astrologers.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will be doing that some day.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > True, Merc is not good in my horoscope but not because

of

> > > > > > > Kendradhipati

> > > > > > > > Dosha but it's so because, it's placed on moon sign and

aspected

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > Saturn from 3rd house, Considering Merc's retrogradation

in above

> > > > > > > > configuration in 5'th is a blessing, It has minute

advantage of

> > > > > being

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > Dhanu Navamsa.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon in 9'th and Merc in 5'th makes Saraswati Yoga but

this is not

> > > > > > > > strong, I was not into astrology before Jun 2006, but,

when I

> > > > > remember

> > > > > > > > today that unknowingly, I always worshipped Saraswati in

Maa

> > > > > Sharada

> > > > > > > > form, I get amazed at, what more required to understand

amazing

> > > > > > > > applicability of astrology.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > During Merc's dasha I never did good in my studies,

never liked to

> > > > > > > study

> > > > > > > > acadademic subjects, But Ketu gave me every thing that

one needs

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > life, Ketu's period was like a period of Raj Yoga.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 9'th lord Mars's aspect on Lagna and Lagna Lord Jup's

aspect on

> > > > > 9'th

> > > > > > > > lord Mars is the source of strength to fight with evil

to dispel

> > > > > > > > darkness.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy

Seetharama

> > > > > > > > <krishna_1998@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc

and 9'th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon in debilitation sign is not a problem as it is in

> > > > > parivartana

> > > > > > > > with Ketu. Hence, it gains strength on that account.

Problem is

> > > > > retro

> > > > > > > > mercury in the 5th. Note that Mercury has turned a

malefic as it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > Ketu and has kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter, the lagna lord is retrograde and also suffers

from

> > > > > > > > kendradhipatya dosha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mars aspecting both lagna and Moon is another issue.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi utkal.panigrahi@ ...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Fri, 9 April, 2010 9:48:50 PM

> > > > > > > > > Re: Naxalites, Govt Operation

and

> > > > > Astrology

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I am no way after you, I can't be, there is a good

side of you

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > reflects time to time but at other times, you also

like rest of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > crowd, take to ignore the potential of vedic astrology

and even

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > > > postings in a manner virtues of life seem helpless.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I discourage when I see people like you say Swami

Vivekananda or

> > > > > > > > Mahtma

> > > > > > > > > Gandhi or Nehru or Subhash Chandra or Washington etc

were

> > > > > > > exclusively

> > > > > > > > > abnormal then the others, so, it's better to live in

one's small

> > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Those who are mentioned above are as normal as you or

me or a

> > > > > begger

> > > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > the road, but, they had a conviction in life and they

honestly

> > > > > > > > followed

> > > > > > > > > that.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Pls have faith and confidence, even being a normal guy

of next

> > > > > > > door,I

> > > > > > > > > will do wonder in the world and at the same time wish

to see

> > > > > > > everybody

> > > > > > > > > else also doing wonders, to make this world a

wonderful world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You know, I always knew that Osama also fears the

bullet and is

> > > > > > > worth

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > bullet only, I never had a doubt on that and one day,

I

> > > > > predicted

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he is no more.What are Naxalites, Who cares them,

today country

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > hands of non performers, let it come on our hands and

we will

> > > > > show

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > Sun, Mars or Jup means.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I suffer because of weak Trikonas, 5'th has got Merc

and 9'th

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > Moon, just 5 degree ahead of debilitation point,

otherwise,

> > > > > reast of

> > > > > > > > > things are qute well, all malifics in 3,6 and 11, all

benifics

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Kendras makes me a performer but weak trokonas doesn't

give

> > > > > required

> > > > > > > > > support. Trikonas are punya sthal, I have done crisp

mantra

> > > > > sadhana

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > have seen in my life what are mantras their power and

much much

> > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > beyond that what's written in the books like Aghora or

Shambavi.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I don't know why for some books or some personalities

are

> > > > > treated as

> > > > > > > > > ultimate realities by some people when they normal

people are

> > > > > > > > themselves

> > > > > > > > > equally abnormal, at this point, I bow down to Maya

that

> > > > > envaloped

> > > > > > > > > world.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I hope, you will let the good sife of you prevail and

at least

> > > > > > > > > astrologers w'd find more light of knowledge.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards,

> > > > > > > > > Utkal.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > > > ...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lalit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > From the tone of your recent postings, my impression

was that

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > some visions about how best to bring Jyotish to the

fore of all

> > > > > > > > > knowledge and what India should do to become an even

greater

> > > > > > > success,

> > > > > > > > > etc. So, essentially, I was requesting you to 'go for

it'. But

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > > you chose to 'go after me instead'!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Always the easier target, it seems. I hope to get a

response

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > in a week or so after the comet (dhoomketu) returns

during its

> > > > > orbit

> > > > > > > > > that depends on the gravitational pull of the sun and

planets!

> > > > > :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

" utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I understand one should first raise a question at

oneself,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > want

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > be seen as most wise poster of groups, posting all

non astro

> > > > > > > > gossips

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > passing remarks. When last time you reviewd

yourself ? Have

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > questions raised at yourself, look into your

horoscope to

> > > > > check

> > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

" rohinicrystal "

> > > > > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you run for the post?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or find someone who can replace Mahatma Gandhi

who should

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > been

> > > > > > > > > > > the first Prime Minister or President in 1947!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps History would have been different!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Or not -- since he would have gotten

assassinated anyways

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalists! !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" utkal.panigrahi "

> > > > > > > > > > > utkal.panigrahi@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I tell you that India desperately needs a

prime minister

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > > > > > placed Jup and Mars in Kendras.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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