Guest guest Posted April 11, 2010 Report Share Posted April 11, 2010 Correction - not exalted saturn Thanks KK vedic astrology , " krishna k " <kritels wrote: > > Hi, > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > Thanks and Regards > KK > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Namaste, Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Spirituality: Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , " krishna k " <kritels wrote: > > Hi, > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > Thanks and Regards > KK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 Namaste Narsimha Jee, And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? Sriram ________________________________ pvr108 <pvr vedic astrology Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha Namaste, Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels > wrote: > > Hi, > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > Thanks and Regards > KK Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2010 Report Share Posted April 12, 2010 I guess it's the same if Sa is lord of 12th from AK /in Pi/ in D20, placed in Li /8th from it/ Is that correct, Narasimha? Regards, Anna --- On Mon, 4/12/10, pvr108 <pvr wrote: pvr108 <pvr [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha vedic astrology Received: Monday, April 12, 2010, 9:00 AM  Namaste, Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels > wrote: > > Hi, > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > Thanks and Regards > KK ________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Namaste, In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from Parasara. Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by worshipping a specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we are using are perfect. My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas also. BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should also be considered when it is empty. * * * Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several planets gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding deity. By extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th from karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha or saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our extension and Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with the 12th from AK. AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and kaama and finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, artha and kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the process, moksha (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik work with a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and completely overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is not the absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a native and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. Just my 2 cents... Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote: > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > Sriram > > ________________________________ > pvr108 <pvr > vedic astrology > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > Namaste, > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > KK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Namaste, In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from Parasara. Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by worshipping a specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we are using are perfect. My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas also. BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should also be considered when it is empty. * * * Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several planets gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding deity. By extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th from karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha or saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our extension and Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with the 12th from AK. AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and kaama and finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, artha and kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the process, moksha (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik work with a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and completely overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is not the absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a native and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. Just my 2 cents... Best regards, Narasimha - Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings - vedic astrology , Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote: > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > Sriram > > ________________________________ > pvr108 <pvr > vedic astrology > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > Namaste, > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > KK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2010 Report Share Posted April 16, 2010 Dear Listed members, In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to be seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and aspects/conjunctions and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of 5th lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna Lord, then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is neutral,then no results at all either good or bad. If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK in Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then Rashi Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out of such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote: > > > Namaste, > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from Parasara. > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by worshipping a > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we are > using are perfect. > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas also. > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should also be > considered when it is empty. > > * * * > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several planets > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding deity. By > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th from > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha or > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our extension and > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with the 12th > from AK. > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and kaama and > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, artha and > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the process, moksha > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik work with > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and completely > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is not the > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a native > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > Just my 2 cents... > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------------------- > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > ------------------------- > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > Astro Seeker <astro.seeker wrote: > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > Sriram > > > > ________________________________ > > pvr108 <pvr > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > Namaste, > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > ------------------------- > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > KK > > > -- Ramadas Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Hello Ramdas, Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of jyotish. And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started corruption in Vedic Jyotish. I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan Publication's Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised with what's happening ? I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah - Mihira. Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's Ishta Devta. And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of others. Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in selecting Ishta Devtas. Hope it helps... !! , Ramdas Hosabettu <kashyapagotraja wrote: > > Dear Listed members, > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to be > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > aspects/conjunctions and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of 5th > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna Lord, > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is neutral,then > no results at all either good or bad. > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK in > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then Rashi > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out of > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from Parasara. > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by worshipping a > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we are > > using are perfect. > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas also. > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should also be > > considered when it is empty. > > > > * * * > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several planets > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding deity. By > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th from > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha or > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our extension and > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with the 12th > > from AK. > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and kaama and > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, artha and > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the process, moksha > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik work with > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and completely > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is not the > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a native > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------- > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > ------------------------- > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40>, > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ramadas Rao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable..  and advising others which is even more funny..  Utkal   --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote: utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM  Hello Ramdas, Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of jyotish. And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started corruption in Vedic Jyotish. I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised with what's happening ? I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah - Mihira. Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's Ishta Devta. And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of others. Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in selecting Ishta Devtas. Hope it helps... !! , Ramdas Hosabettu <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Listed members, > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to be > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of 5th > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna Lord, > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is neutral,then > no results at all either good or bad. > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK in > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then Rashi > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out of > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from Parasara. > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by worshipping a > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we are > > using are perfect. > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas also. > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should also be > > considered when it is empty. > > > > * * * > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several planets > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding deity. By > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th from > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha or > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our extension and > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with the 12th > > from AK. > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and kaama and > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, artha and > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the process, moksha > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik work with > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and completely > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is not the > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a native > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ramadas Rao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Dear Utkal Ji, I think you are the only person who is against Varaha Mihira.Ishta Devatha is a Deity with whom one has more devotion and by worshipping whom the Past Life Karmas can be reduced and Atma will try to attain Moksha.Now I dont have your chart with me or your birth details,so that I can try to analyse for your Ishta Devatha. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:29 AM, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahiwrote: > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication's Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > <%40>, > Ramdas Hosabettu > > <kashyapagotraja wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunctions and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Dear Utkal Ji, Here is my birth data,so you can check my Ishta Devatha. Date of Birth : 23/03/1952, Time of Birth : 03:34:58 Hrs. Lat.:12 N 58'59 " and Longitude of 74 E 46'59 " With Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:29 AM, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahiwrote: > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication's Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > <%40>, > Ramdas Hosabettu > > <kashyapagotraja wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunctions and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 So finally we do have an answer. We do not have to further await Kalki avatar. When did you chose to land on this Mortal land to bless the " moorkhas " . Please please, go ahead and start your " pravachan " again in your choicest terms with the help of your consorts, dear. Manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable..  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Ramdas ji, Sorry, I thought you are of my age, so, I addressed you with " Hello " , What I am saying is, astrologers should leave at least one thing - selection of Ishta Devta at Devine Guru's hand as Jyotish is not capable of finding out Ishta Devta, It can only give some pointers and my suggestion for Jyotishis is to remain limited to indicating pointers. In the some of tantra sadhana sects, they tantrik Gurus sometimes Nakshtras to find out suitable mnatras for shishyas but this theory of Ishta Devta in it's current form is not capable as well as Jyotishsis are also not capable. At First, Jyotishi should suggest somebody that he should wait for his Guru to come in his life, if somebody still wants to know about his Ishta devta, jyotishi should limit himself to sharing pointers instead of making a hype that he can also suggest Ishta Devta. regards, Utkal. , Ramdas Hosabettu <kashyapagotraja wrote: > > Dear Utkal Ji, > Here is my birth data,so you can check my Ishta Devatha. > Date of Birth : 23/03/1952, Time of Birth : 03:34:58 Hrs. Lat.:12 N 58'59 " > and Longitude of 74 E 46'59 " With Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:29 AM, utkal.panigrahi > utkal.panigrahiwrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > > jyotish. > > > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > > Publication's Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > > with what's happening ? > > > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > > - Mihira. > > > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > > Ishta Devta. > > > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > > others. > > > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > > > Hope it helps... !! > > > > <%40>, > > Ramdas Hosabettu > > > > kashyapagotraja@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Listed members, > > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > > be > > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > > aspects/conjunctions and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > > 5th > > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > > Lord, > > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > > neutral,then > > > no results at all either good or bad. > > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > > in > > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > > Rashi > > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > > of > > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > > With Regards, > > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > > Parasara. > > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > > worshipping a > > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > > are > > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > > also. > > > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > > also be > > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > > planets > > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > > deity. By > > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > > from > > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > > or > > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > > extension and > > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > > the 12th > > > > from AK. > > > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > > kaama and > > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > > artha and > > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > > process, moksha > > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > > work with > > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > > completely > > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > > not the > > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > > native > > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40>, > > > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > > Libra > > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > > consider > > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > > strength ? > > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > > To: vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > > Parasara. > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > Narasimha > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > > 12H from > > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Perfect, thanks for timely warning. Hope the rule is applied impartially in all cases...  -Utkal.  PS: One query, can personal attacks be replied with personal attacks? --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj wrote: jyotishi <raj Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM  Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. .  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2010 Report Share Posted April 17, 2010 Dear Utkal Ji, If you think that you are a genious person, then please give details of Ishta Devatha as mentioned in Jaimini Sutras.I thought that by joing to this group of Shri K.N.Rao, I can improve my knowledge.But I strongly feel that there are some people who think that they are great Astrologers than Sri K.N.Rao and others. I am very sorry, moderator.I can not keep quiet.Whose mental balance is highly questionable ? I think by joining to this group, really and after reading your mails, I am becoming bad.So I am leaving this group. My Koti Koti Pranams to Sri K.N.rao. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkalwrote: > > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims by someone whose knowledge and > probably mental balance is highly questionable.. and advising others which > is even more funny.. > > Utkal > > > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi<utkal.panigrahi%40>> > wrote: > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi<utkal.panigrahi%40> > > > Re: Ishtadevatha > <%40> > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Dear Moderator,  Utkal Mishra and Rajarshi Nandy are sending mails from same IP.  It is clearly fake id and he has shared no astrology only attack, attack and attack.I was not understanding why you were allowing his messages over here. It is better late than never.  Members kindly look at the following messages :-  ********************************************************************************\ * That mail to Ramdev was written when Ramdev made some derogatory comments about jyotish in an interview with BBC. So I guess the people who find the mail offensive, agree with Ramdev's comments? In that case, what are they doing in jyotish forums? Weird!  # 26584  Forget commenting on others. first learn some basics yourself as your following predictions are too vague. Ramdev said astrology is fake in interview, so you agree to that? If so then what are you doing in this forum? Get a life.  # 26585 ********************************************************************************\ *  Both above messages came just came in queue one after the other on the same theme.  And see following messages, those are also on sam theme :-  ********************************************************************************\ * Keep chanting that more, it may eventually help you to reduce your ego -  # 26013  Ego ego and more ego... all siddhis/visions/abcd are useless if ego is not reduced.....   # 26698 ********************************************************************************\ *  I dont understand, is this way to protect Narashimha ?, make id and abuse one person.  Moderator i am also copying this mail to many members in BCC apart of sending to group as i know it will take time to get approval and appear on the group.  ~ Pawan Maurya --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj wrote: jyotishi <raj Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM  Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. .  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 All; An excellent write up on 'ishta Devatha'. I fully agree with Sri Utkal Panigrahi.  A.V.Pathi. ________________________________ utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi Sat, April 17, 2010 9:59:03 AM Re: Ishtadevatha  Hello Ramdas, Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of jyotish. And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started corruption in Vedic Jyotish. I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised with what's happening ? I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah - Mihira. Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's Ishta Devta. And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of others. Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in selecting Ishta Devtas. Hope it helps... !! , Ramdas Hosabettu <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Listed members, > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to be > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of 5th > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna Lord, > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is neutral,then > no results at all either good or bad. > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK in > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then Rashi > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out of > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > With Regards, > Ramadas Rao. > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from Parasara. > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by worshipping a > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we are > > using are perfect. > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas also. > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should also be > > considered when it is empty. > > > > * * * > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several planets > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding deity. By > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th from > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha or > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our extension and > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with the 12th > > from AK. > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and kaama and > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, artha and > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the process, moksha > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik work with > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and completely > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is not the > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a native > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in Libra > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still consider > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its strength ? > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per Parasara. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the 12H from > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ramadas Rao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Dear Ramdas, Devatha are not capable of attaining Moksha for themselves how they will give it to their devotees? The Jamini is all about one's indulgence in the Material world , the Atamkarka is an indication or pointers toward which the individual had worked most and is compared as equal to Asc by Jamini, it is like one who indulge in Money for him money is God or Atma, 5th house explains ones fascination toward a particular Deity , but one must pray to that deity which is causing obstruction to Functional Benefics in ones birth chart.These are for material success. The Birth charts shows tendency towards spiritualism I am aware of looking at Deity from Atamkarka and Amatiyakarka. But this does not necessary give Moksha. To this extent I agree with Utkal. With Best Wishes, Inder Jit Sahni On Behalf Of Ramdas Hosabettu 17 April, 2010 8:43 PM Re: Re: Ishtadevatha Dear Utkal Ji, I think you are the only person who is against Varaha Mihira.Ishta Devatha is a Deity with whom one has more devotion and by worshipping whom the Past Life Karmas can be reduced and Atma will try to attain Moksha.Now I dont have your chart with me or your birth details,so that I can try to analyse for your Ishta Devatha. With Regards, Ramadas Rao. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 7:29 AM, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahiwrote: > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication's Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > <%40>, > Ramdas Hosabettu > > <kashyapagotraja wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunctions and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------------------- > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > --- In vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40>, > > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > To: vedic astrology <vedic astrology%40> > <vedic astrology%40> > > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------------------- > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings > > > > ------------------------- > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2010 Report Share Posted April 18, 2010 Shri Utkal Panigrahiji, Jai Shri Ram! <............ later on when I studied Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah- Mihira.> Would you kindly quote the exact shloka of Saravali together with its translatoin in English, since I cannot find a copy of that work in my collection right now. As you must be aware, I call Varahamihria as the " greatest charlatan " of the last fiteen hundred years since he is supposd to have made correct predictoins from the most monstrous astrnomical date viz. the planetary longitudes of the Surya Siddhanta, which he has called as " spashta-taro savitrah " i.e the " Surya Siddhanta is the most accurate " . Obviously, at least at this point we are on the same wave-length since according to you also " Varahamihira has introduced incorrect, meaningless, useless things in Jyotisha " which is more or less the same thing as calling him a charlatan! Jai Shri Ram! A K Kaul , " utkal.panigrahi " <utkal.panigrahi wrote: Re: Ishtadevatha Hello Ramdas, Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of jyotish. And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started corruption in Vedic Jyotish. I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan Publication's Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised with what's happening ? I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah - Mihira. Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's Ishta Devta. And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of others. Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in selecting Ishta Devtas. Hope it helps... !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Still not sure of its universal applicability or is it borne out of law of probabilities. best wishes, Manoj ________________________________ Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal Sat, April 17, 2010 11:00:21 PM Re: Re: Ishtadevatha  Perfect, thanks for timely warning. Hope the rule is applied impartially in all cases...  -Utkal.  PS: One query, can personal attacks be replied with personal attacks? --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> wrote: jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM  Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. .  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 similar is my doubt too!  -Utkal --- On Mon, 19/4/10, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: Manoj Kumar <mouji99 Re: Re: Ishtadevatha Monday, 19 April, 2010, 9:37 AM  Still not sure of its universal applicability or is it borne out of law of probabilities. best wishes, Manoj ____________ _________ _________ __ Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ .in> Sat, April 17, 2010 11:00:21 PM Re: Re: Ishtadevatha  Perfect, thanks for timely warning. Hope the rule is applied impartially in all cases...  -Utkal.  PS: One query, can personal attacks be replied with personal attacks? --- On Sat, 17/4/10, jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> wrote: jyotishi <raj (AT) jyotishi (DOT) org> Re: Ishtadevatha Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 3:57 PM  Last warning. No more personal attacks or be banned for ever! raj rao Moderator , Utkal Mishra <mishra.utkal@ ...> wrote: > > > Another set of unsubstantiated tall claims  by someone whose knowledge and probably mental balance is highly questionable. .  and advising others which is even more funny.. >  > Utkal >  >  > --- On Sat, 17/4/10, utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> wrote: > > > utkal.panigrahi <utkal.panigrahi@ ...> > Re: Ishtadevatha > > Saturday, 17 April, 2010, 4:29 AM > > >  > > > > > Hello Ramdas, > > Ishta Upasana is an area of spirituality where jyotish is not very > effective, there are 33 croress of devtas in indian mythology, whereas, > jyotish hardly mentioned 12 - 15 devatas, so, recognize the limits of > jyotish. > > And what to tell about Varah Mihira, he is the one who started > corruption in Vedic Jyotish. > > I will tell you one spiritual guidance to me about corruption of Varah - > Mihira, In Aug - Sept 2007, when I was learning Jyotish and was > impressed with most of such bright names, Once, I went to Ranjan > Publication' s Dariyaganj office for buying some classics. > > Obviously, I was impressed with Varaha - Mihira's work also, After I > bought classics like Vasistha Samhita, Hora Ratnam etc, I turned to see > Brihad Jataka of Varah Mihira, I realized an hatred sensation in my > hand, almost like an electric shock and book fell down from the hand, > somehow, I managed myself, and again picked up Brihad Jataka, again same > sensation and it fell down from the hand, once again I tried and again > it fell down and I felt very low of energy, the salesman was surprised > with what's happening ? > > I didn't buy Brihad Jataka. > > After some months, in another book shop at Noida, again I tried buying > Brihad Jataka, again same kind of sensation and I even couldn't lift the > book for 5-10 minutes in hand, couldn't open up it to see it's contents. > > I left the Idea of buying Varah Mihira's work, as of now, I never > studied anything written by Varah- Mihira, later on when I studied > Sarwali, I came to know that Raja Kalyan Verman of my home town, Rewa, > has started Sarawali criticizing Varah Mihira for introducing incorrect, > meaningless, useless (A-Saaram) things in jyotish, He states that > purpose of writing Sarawali is to fliter out incorrect dictums of Varah > - Mihira. > > Let's come to point of Ishta Devtas, These guys with their claim to tell > about one's Ishta Devta have been doing propoganda, a play with people's > faith with a purpose to make a ground for themselves. > > Ask Narsimha, if he knows about his own Guru or Ishta Devta or Manish > Pundit's Ishta Devta, or if you are also like him, let's know about ur's > Ishta Devta. > > And if they claim so, Ask to produce proofs of blessings that they have > got from their Ishta Devtas, any enlightenment in the life of these so > called jyotishis, these guys who don't understand well known life of > Swami Vivekananda through his chart and about his Ishta devta, how can > they narrate about using such gimmicks to discover Ishta Devta of > others. > > Jyotish has a limited application in understanding one's mindset fit for > a type of upasana or sadhana, beyond that text is not available. > > Who is my Ishta Devta, Apply all your jyotish ? > > In the last 1000 - 15000 yrs, Indian History doesn't mention name of any > realized elevated spiritual Guru who ever used such jyotish gimmicks in > selecting Ishta Devtas. > > Hope it helps... !! > > , Ramdas Hosabettu > <kashyapagotraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Listed members, > > In Brihat Jataka by Varaha Mihira,he says 5th house from Lagna has to > be > > seen for Devatha Upasana.5th lord,his position in the chart and > > aspects/conjunction s and aspects to 5th house gives us about Devatha > > Upasana.If Lagna lord and 5th lord are friendly,then the Upasana of > 5th > > lord's Deity will bring prosperity,if 5th lord is an enemy of Lagna > Lord, > > then difficulties will be borne by the worshipper and if it is > neutral,then > > no results at all either good or bad. > > If we use AK in Navamsha to indicate Ishta Devatha, then 12th from AK > in > > Navamsha indicates the deity to be worshipped.If it is empty,then > Rashi > > Dristies to be observed to 12th from AK in Navamsha and strongest out > of > > such planet's aspect indicate the Deity to be worshipped. > > With Regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao pvr@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > In the case you mentioned, there are no clear guidelines from > Parasara. > > > Given that we have very few cases where someone progressed by > worshipping a > > > specific deity, I think it is difficult to be sure that the rules we > are > > > using are perfect. > > > > > > My suggestion is to make a recommendation after considering dasas > also. > > > > > > BTW, aspects, especially strong ones, on the 12th from AK should > also be > > > considered when it is empty. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Parasara only said that Ketu in 12th from karakamsa with several > planets > > > gives moksha or saayujya through devotion to the corresponding > deity. By > > > extension, we are suggesting worship of deity associated with 12th > from > > > karakamsa, even when it does not seem like the person may get moksha > or > > > saayujya in this life. But it is worth noting that it is our > extension and > > > Parasara never said everybody should worship deity associated with > the 12th > > > from AK. > > > > > > AK shows one's sense of self or I-ness. This sense of I-ness acts in > > > various areas of life in various ways to fulfil dharma, artha and > kaama and > > > finally dissolve itself (moksha). Until one fulfils one's dharma, > artha and > > > kaama and works out one's entanglements developed during the > process, moksha > > > (liberation) is not possible. For many people, doing some dharmik > work with > > > a limited sense of pride itself is a great achievement and > completely > > > overcoming the sense of self is ruled out. > > > > > > Thus, in my view, the 12th house from karakamsa, in D-9 or D-20, is > not the > > > absolute thumbrule to be used. Judge the potential of purpose of a > native > > > and advise a deity who helps one serve one's purpose in life. > > > > > > Just my 2 cents... > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com>, > > > Astro Seeker astro.seeker@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste Narsimha Jee, > > > > > > > > And what if 12th from AK is Aq and empty. Saturn is exalted in > Libra > > > (alone) and Rahu is in Pisces wih 2more planets. Do we still > consider > > > strenth for lordship? If yes, Will saturn's exaltation boost its > strength ? > > > If not, what does Rahu in Pisce would indicate? > > > > > > > > Sriram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > pvr108 pvr@ > > > > vedic astrology > <vedic astrology% 40. com> > > > > Mon, 12 April, 2010 9:30:54 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Ishtadevatha > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Saturn in a benefic sign (which Li is) shows Vishnu as per > Parasara. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Narasimha > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings, > > > > " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana: > > > > http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > > > Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFil ms.org > > > > Jyotish writings: http://groups. / group/JyotishWri tings > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, " krishna k " <kritels@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Which diety does exalted Saturn represent when it occupies the > 12H from > > > karakamsa in D-20? Saturn has argala from Mars(AK) and Su. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > > > > KK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ramadas Rao > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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