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In the ancient times, it was neither purely sidereal or purely tropical.It was

coordinative of both.The star position also represented the season positioning.

This was possible because the difference was little. But more important of

all, is that because the dates were lunar or better solilunar. In a soli-lunar

system, we can have the lunar dates represent the seasons correctly for even

about two thousand years.This is our vedic system too to have coordination of

the tropical and the sidereal dates by the lunar tithi.These three types of

dates are coordinated. But people who do not understand this sense, would like

to think that the dates are tropcial, sidereal and luanar as separate or

independant systems. They were never actually separate or better, even if

separately assumed, they were coordinated as a necessary condition.

Hari Malla

 

, " cjjohans " <cjjohans

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> , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

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> Good points I will read some of that. Just some points below

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> In

> > the oldest ancient indian references the prime mention we find is that

> > Mesha (Aries) and not of Makara (Capricon); compared to Mesha as Zodiac

> > beginning (since the hypothetical/mathematical 7-planet conjunction in

> > Mesha at the start of Mahayuga), the argument put forward by some new

> > comers (who mixes eastern and western) that Capricorn was the oldest

> > considered year beginning point is not much supported by evidence.

>

> I don't have an opinion either way. But since the 7-planet conjunction is

hypothethical one can argue differently too. It occurs to me that consideration

of Winter Solstice would make the present position in the sidereal " Great Year "

(Sagittarius) correspond to the dakshinayana autumn months in the solar year

(only the direction is reversed) as seems appropriate for kali yuga. Also it

would begin in the region of the traditional date if it begins at entrance into

sidereal Capricorn (2000-3000 BC). But no book supports such ideas of course.

>

>

> > //>>> (Tropical Zodiac) was in existence in Babylonia (as evident from

> > clay tablets).

> > I'm afraid only in the imaginations of certain tropicalists. Read the

> > archeology instead.//

> > Certainly some zodiac with SIGNS was in existence for sure; but again

> > I agree that whether it was Tropical or Sidereal is an arguable point.

>

> The argument for tropical is just in some of the (primitive) mathematics used.

It's most likely only a mathematical shortcut. All the recorded positions are

sidereal, see Rochberg Babylonian Horoscopes for example.

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Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Sreenadh JI, I have converted that google book link to pdf...seems

interesting to study....now you shared else i was going to do that today :)

//chart is... devisigh

devisingh_ra...

Apr 17, 2010

6:49 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

In the ancient times, it was neither purely sidereal or purely tropical.It was

coordinative of both.The star position also represented the season

positioning.... hari

harimalla...

Apr 15, 2010

1:27 pm

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Sreenadh JI, //he truth is - both Tropical Astrology as well as Sidereal

astrology was in existence from ancient past// Thanks for Informative...

devisigh

devisingh_ra...

Apr 15, 2010

7:00 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Devi Singh ji, Thanks for the appreciation, even though I don't deserve it

much currently due to the large amount of pending work. I haven't done even

5%... sreesog

Apr 15, 2010

9:11 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear cjjohans JI, //Wrong there are people (in minority) who care more for the

fixed zodiac.// I am aware of fact that much work was done related to sidereal

.... devisigh

devisingh_ra...

Apr 15, 2010

6:49 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

.... Not at all, the siderealists use solar returns (varshapala) as almost the

only technique. If you want to know more you can read here ... cjjohans

Apr 15, 2010

8:03 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear cjjohans JI, //Not at all, the siderealists use solar returns (varshapala)

as almost the only technique. If you want to know more you can read here// ...

devisigh

devisingh_ra...

Apr 15, 2010

8:47 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Amit, For Sidereal astrology (I mean Nirayana astrology and NOT stellar

astrology) read some good book on Indian astrology. (There are many in the...

sreesog

Apr 14, 2010

12:43 pm

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Sreenadh ji, Sidereal is Nirayan is Stellar is Eastern. We knew about the

12 Spokes of the wheel, But did not use Raashis in the ancient times for ...

Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish

Apr 14, 2010

1:39 pm

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

The Tropical of today, was the Tropical of the Ancients of India in the Golden

Yuga. The Sayana of today was the Nirayana of the Ancient indians. The...

Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish

Apr 14, 2010

1:57 pm

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Amit JI, Some more point for this thread.... There is Tropical and

corresponding epherium when It looked (by moving within Time)..Present Tropical

become... devisigh

devisingh_ra...

Apr 17, 2010

7:05 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Devisingh ji, Your kindself mentioned - // .....specially to use my today

developed technique... ..// Can you please shower some " Devkripa " on us and...

Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish

Apr 17, 2010

7:33 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Bhaskar JI, Thanks for pointing out..... I have shared thought for thread

and that was example..... What all i am doing is like experiment (i have...

devisigh

devisingh_ra...

Apr 17, 2010

7:53 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Devisingh ji, //if god allow something to be created by me then fine world

has to wait for time to come....// Sir we have a lot of patience, we have

been... Bhaskar

bhaskar_jyotish

Apr 17, 2010

8:52 am

Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac

Dear Amitji, The best book to clarify the concepts on sidereal and tropical

zodiac is 'Bharatiya Jyotish' by Shakar Balakrishna Dixit, written over one

hundred... hari

harimalla...

Apr 15, 2010

4:05 am

 

 

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