Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac In the ancient times, it was neither purely sidereal or purely tropical.It was coordinative of both.The star position also represented the season positioning. This was possible because the difference was little. But more important of all, is that because the dates were lunar or better solilunar. In a soli-lunar system, we can have the lunar dates represent the seasons correctly for even about two thousand years.This is our vedic system too to have coordination of the tropical and the sidereal dates by the lunar tithi.These three types of dates are coordinated. But people who do not understand this sense, would like to think that the dates are tropcial, sidereal and luanar as separate or independant systems. They were never actually separate or better, even if separately assumed, they were coordinated as a necessary condition. Hari Malla , " cjjohans " <cjjohans wrote: > > > > , " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote: > > > Good points I will read some of that. Just some points below > > In > > the oldest ancient indian references the prime mention we find is that > > Mesha (Aries) and not of Makara (Capricon); compared to Mesha as Zodiac > > beginning (since the hypothetical/mathematical 7-planet conjunction in > > Mesha at the start of Mahayuga), the argument put forward by some new > > comers (who mixes eastern and western) that Capricorn was the oldest > > considered year beginning point is not much supported by evidence. > > I don't have an opinion either way. But since the 7-planet conjunction is hypothethical one can argue differently too. It occurs to me that consideration of Winter Solstice would make the present position in the sidereal " Great Year " (Sagittarius) correspond to the dakshinayana autumn months in the solar year (only the direction is reversed) as seems appropriate for kali yuga. Also it would begin in the region of the traditional date if it begins at entrance into sidereal Capricorn (2000-3000 BC). But no book supports such ideas of course. > > > > //>>> (Tropical Zodiac) was in existence in Babylonia (as evident from > > clay tablets). > > I'm afraid only in the imaginations of certain tropicalists. Read the > > archeology instead.// > > Certainly some zodiac with SIGNS was in existence for sure; but again > > I agree that whether it was Tropical or Sidereal is an arguable point. > > The argument for tropical is just in some of the (primitive) mathematics used. It's most likely only a mathematical shortcut. All the recorded positions are sidereal, see Rochberg Babylonian Horoscopes for example. > http://books.google.fi/books?id=dSELAAAAIAAJ & printsec=frontcover & dq=rochberg+bab\ \ ylonian+horoscopes & source=bl & ots=LT2FyNc07F & sig=dCAf2oR7ZwzAEpWDDzDJpYbMiGA & hl=f\ \ i & ei=ufPGS8OTMN-UOPv_uNQM & sa=X & oi=book_result & ct=result & resnum=1 & ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA\ \ #v=onepage & q & f=false > Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:29 pm Show Message Option -- Up Thread View Source Use Fixed Width Font Unwrap Lines -- " hari " <harimalla harimalla... Offline Send Email Delete Message #33815 of 33923 < Prev | Next > Expand Messages Author Sort by Date Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Sreenadh JI, I have converted that google book link to pdf...seems interesting to study....now you shared else i was going to do that today //chart is... devisigh devisingh_ra... Apr 17, 2010 6:49 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac In the ancient times, it was neither purely sidereal or purely tropical.It was coordinative of both.The star position also represented the season positioning.... hari harimalla... Apr 15, 2010 1:27 pm Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Sreenadh JI, //he truth is - both Tropical Astrology as well as Sidereal astrology was in existence from ancient past// Thanks for Informative... devisigh devisingh_ra... Apr 15, 2010 7:00 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Devi Singh ji, Thanks for the appreciation, even though I don't deserve it much currently due to the large amount of pending work. I haven't done even 5%... sreesog Apr 15, 2010 9:11 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear cjjohans JI, //Wrong there are people (in minority) who care more for the fixed zodiac.// I am aware of fact that much work was done related to sidereal .... devisigh devisingh_ra... Apr 15, 2010 6:49 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac .... Not at all, the siderealists use solar returns (varshapala) as almost the only technique. If you want to know more you can read here ... cjjohans Apr 15, 2010 8:03 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear cjjohans JI, //Not at all, the siderealists use solar returns (varshapala) as almost the only technique. If you want to know more you can read here// ... devisigh devisingh_ra... Apr 15, 2010 8:47 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Amit, For Sidereal astrology (I mean Nirayana astrology and NOT stellar astrology) read some good book on Indian astrology. (There are many in the... sreesog Apr 14, 2010 12:43 pm Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Sreenadh ji, Sidereal is Nirayan is Stellar is Eastern. We knew about the 12 Spokes of the wheel, But did not use Raashis in the ancient times for ... Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Apr 14, 2010 1:39 pm Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac The Tropical of today, was the Tropical of the Ancients of India in the Golden Yuga. The Sayana of today was the Nirayana of the Ancient indians. The... Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Apr 14, 2010 1:57 pm Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Amit JI, Some more point for this thread.... There is Tropical and corresponding epherium when It looked (by moving within Time)..Present Tropical become... devisigh devisingh_ra... Apr 17, 2010 7:05 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Devisingh ji, Your kindself mentioned - // .....specially to use my today developed technique... ..// Can you please shower some " Devkripa " on us and... Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Apr 17, 2010 7:33 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Bhaskar JI, Thanks for pointing out..... I have shared thought for thread and that was example..... What all i am doing is like experiment (i have... devisigh devisingh_ra... Apr 17, 2010 7:53 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Devisingh ji, //if god allow something to be created by me then fine world has to wait for time to come....// Sir we have a lot of patience, we have been... Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish Apr 17, 2010 8:52 am Re: Sidereal and Tropical Zodiac Dear Amitji, The best book to clarify the concepts on sidereal and tropical zodiac is 'Bharatiya Jyotish' by Shakar Balakrishna Dixit, written over one hundred... hari harimalla... Apr 15, 2010 4:05 am First | < Prev | Next > | Last < Prev Topic | Next Topic > Message # Search: Advanced Start Topic SPONSOR RESULTS Mowital® - Pvb Resin www.kuraray-am.com - From Kuraray f. powder coatings, printing inks and temporary binders. Greece and Egypt Tour - Ancient History www.egypttoursandtravel.com - Greece and Egypt Tour. Classical Greece - Athens, Olympia, Delphi and Cape Sounion to Egypt's Pharaonic period, Pyramids, Sphinx, Kings, Queen Tombs, Nile Cruise. Great Ancient History. 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