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~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Here is the KPBC of baby through my software:

Base Data

 

 

 

 

Name

 

Quiz 2 Baby

 

 

Date

 

2008-12-24 Wednesday

 

 

Local Time

 

21:14:00

 

 

Location

 

Ragama, (Sri Lanka)

 

 

Longitude

 

79:55:00 East

 

 

Latitude

 

07:01:00 North

 

 

Time Zone

 

UT +5.5 Hours

 

 

Daylight Saving

 

0.0 Hours

 

 

Universal Time

 

15:44:00

 

 

Sidereal Time

 

03:18:42

 

 

Julian Date

 

2454825.15556

 

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

 

Krishnamurti

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

23:53:09

 

 

Western Ayanamsa

 

None

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

00:00:00

 

 

Sunrise

 

06:22:34

 

 

Sunset

 

17:57:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Length

 

Lord

 

Nakshatra

 

KP Lord

 

Sublord

 

Bhava

 

 

Sun

 

09¡ë13¡ì48¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

 

5

 

 

Moon

 

08¡ë15¡ì44¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Anuradha

 

Saturn

 

Venus

 

4

 

 

Mars

 

04¡ë01¡ì45¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Moon

 

5

 

 

Mercury

 

25¡ë00¡ì55¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

5

 

 

Jupiter

 

03¡ë16¡ì01¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

U.Shadha

 

Sun

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Venus

 

25¡ë06¡ì59¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

7

 

 

Saturn

 

27¡ë44¡ì15¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

U.Phalguni

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

2

 

 

Rahu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Sravana

 

Moon

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Ketu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Mercury

 

12

 

 

Lagna

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Rahu

 

5

 

 

Dhana

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Sahaja

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Virgo

 

Mercury

 

Chitra

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Bandhu

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Libra

 

Venus

 

Visakha

 

Jupiter

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

Putra

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Jyeshta

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Satru

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Yuvati

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

Randhra

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Aquarius

 

Saturn

 

P.Bhadra

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Dharma

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Pisces

 

Jupiter

 

Revati

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Karma

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Aries

 

Mars

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

Labha

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Mrigasira

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Vyaya

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Punarvasu

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,As shown below, the main reason for difference in Rahu/Ketu value is that you're using TRUE value and in KP MEAN value is used. (Mean Nodes vs True Nodes in " KPEzine, July 2008 " at www.loger.com)

Shri Raichur has said the rules are not wrong and astrologer is wrong.Here SWs are not wrong and astrologer can be wrong.Regards,twAstraura Chart using Lahiri Ayanamsa and TRUE Nodes

Name : KPBC- 2Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December-2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : Lahiri 23¡ë 59' 09 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:====================================================

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House====================================================Sun 9¡ë Sa 13' 36 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 15' 36 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 1' 32 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 0' 43 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 15' 49 " Utrashada 2 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 6' 47 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 44' 03 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 3' 46 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 14' 05 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 0' 08 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 15¡ë Cp 57' 11 " Shravana 2 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 15¡ë Cn 57' 11 " Pushya 4 Moo-Sat-Jup 12=====================================================

=====================================================Cusp Longitude Star K.P. Pointer =====================================================I 24¡ë Cn 57' 15 " Aslesha Moo-Mer-Rah

II 24¡ë Le 56' 16 " Poorva Phalguni Sun-Ven-Mer III 26¡ë Vi 43' 01 " Chitra Mer-Mar-Jup IV 27¡ë Li 53' 23 " Vishakha Ven-Jup-Ven

V 27¡ë Sc 15' 04 " Jyeshta Mar-Mer-Jup VI 25¡ë Sa 44' 59 " Poorvashada Jup-Ven-Mer VII 24¡ë Cp 57' 15 " Dhanishta Sat-Mar-Rah

VIII 24¡ë Aq 56' 16 " Poorva Bhadra Sat-Jup-Mer IX 26¡ë Pi 43' 01 " Revati Jup-Mer-Jup X 27¡ë Ar 53' 23 " Krittika Mar-Sun-Moo

XI 27¡ë Ta 15' 04 " Mrigasiras Ven-Mar-Jup XII 25¡ë Ge 44' 59 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer Fortuna 23¡ë Ge 59' 15 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer

-----------Astraura Chart using KP New Ayanamsa (2003) and MEAN NodesName : KPBC- 2

Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December-2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : KPNA 23¡ë 53' 32 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:====================================================

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House====================================================Sun 9¡ë Sa 19' 13 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 21' 13 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 7' 10 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 6' 21 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 21' 26 " Utrashada 3 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 12' 25 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 49' 40 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 9' 23 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 19' 43 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 5' 46 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 17¡ë Cp 27' 16 " Shravana 3 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 17¡ë Cn 27' 16 " Aslesha 1 Moo-Mer-Mer 12======================================================

 

, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote:>> > Dear Tw jee,

> > about Quiz no 2 chart.> > I am using the software Parasar's Light 2000 I am getting planetary> degree as below :--> > > As 24:57:00 Can Ashlesha 3> Sun 09:13:21 Sag Moola 3

> Moon 08:15:22 Sco Anuradha 2> Mars 04:01:18 Seg Moola 2> Mer. 25:00:29 Sag P.Shad. 4> Ju 03:15:35 Cap U.Shad. 3> Ve 25:06:32 Cap Dhanish. 1> Sa 27:43:48 Leo U.Phalg. 1> Ra 15;51:06 Cap Shravana. 2

> Ket 15:51:06 can Pushya 4> > As per you file of this chart ,Rahu/Ketu you are getting 17:27:33> degrees and i am getting 15:51:06, other are in same Nakshatra as you> have stated just these two are in different. It is lot of difference

> where both are most slow moving Nods.What is the reason?> > Where Ajoy have stated, the Ketu is in Sub of Mercury and i am getting> in star of Saturn and sub of Jupiter(SS is Ve),where Rahu is in star

> of Moon and sub lord is Saturn(SS is Saturn).> > I am using the Parasar's software and getting very god result as in> Traditional Astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > 1. You're right that Dr. Luther Rath has used the different chart> > (Msg#22002) other than the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan as> > follows:> > > > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be> > allowed.)> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > > > (Note: Long.79.55 means 79 deg 55 min, not decimal value of degree.)> > > > 2. Ajoy S. Chomaal seems using the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan> > (Msg#21956).> >

> > 3. The problem is not showing the chart details, together with Asc> > vaule and Ayanamsa value used as usually done in proper presentation of> > analysis and we don't know which chart one is talking about.

> > > > 4. The chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan is calculated by KPAstro 3.0> > and uploaded in the File section under KPBC-2 CHART . JHora gives> > almost the same chart using the adjusted KPNA of 2003.

> > > > 5. Another common practice of blind chart is giving the Asc value,> > Ayanamsa value together with the chart details. (If not mentioned, it's> > understood to be for Geographic Latitude.)

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr Luther and learned members,> > >> > > In order to learn my lessons through this remarkable quiz, I was going> > > through the readings by our learned members. I noticed that Dr Luther

> > has> > > given his analysis on an entirely different chart. The ascendant and> > the> > > planetary positions are entirely different from what I obtained with> > Kundly

> > > online.> > >> > > I was wondering if their is a misunderstanding on my part or some> > error> > > somewhere. Most humbly I request Dr Luther to please clarify if I am

> > reading> > > something wrong. In fact I told this to Sunaparantha ji to clarify> > when I> > > was casting the chart for myself.> > >> > > Regards

> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/1/15 Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@> > >> > > > Dear Luther Rath & Ajoy> > > > Please accept my hearty congratulations for your accurate analysis.

> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > ** Neeraj Chowksey chowkseyneeraj@> > > > *To:*

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29:04 AM> > > > *Subject:* Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > >> > > > Dear Luther Sir,> > > > Dear Ajoyji ,

> > > > Congratulation, Hats Offfffffff to both of you.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Neeraj> > > >> > > > --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM> > > >> > > > forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not> > > > showing in the forum.

> > > >> > > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ sunaparantha@> > > > >

> > > > Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro up.com @

> > > > Cc: Punit Panday punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com punitp@>> > > >> > > >> > > > Pranam to all.> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.> > > >> > > > It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

> > > >> > > > You have said " It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not> > keen on> > > > there " > > > >> > > > With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

> > end.> > > >> > > > Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is the> > main> > > > reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing

> > the> > > > knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Here is the Answer.*

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal> > Malformation.**> > > > *> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *About the disease*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

> > occurs> > > > in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is> > reported that> > > > 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.> > > >

> > > > According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated> > with> > > > DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common> > genetic> > > > pattern of malformation in man.

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Baby at present*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

> > investigations and> > > > is due to a surgery after six months.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Astrological aspects as per KP*

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Signs*> > > >> > > > Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs> > > >> > > > Virgo governs Bowels

> > > >> > > > Scorpio governs Anus> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Planets*> > > >> > > > Mars governs Rectum

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Houses*> > > >> > > > Sixth House governs Anus> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Stars*> > > >> > > > Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon> > > >> > > > Anuradha governs Rectum

> > > >> > > > Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Affecting of 6th house*> > > >

> > > > 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1> > and 6 and> > > > that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-> > Part 1)

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion> > in> > > > this particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

> > cause,> > > > the Down Syndrome.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who> > failed.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.> > > >> > > > And my congratulation to those who have success.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope> > grand> > > > gatherings in future quizzes.

> > > >> > > >> > > > For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunaparantha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> >>

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~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Baby's Dasha Analysis:

Saturn/Venus/Venus/Mercury/Mars: Starts from 1/2/2009 17:23:29 Up to 3/2/2009 07:37:28.

 

Mars Signifying 3, 5,7,10,11. Possibility of Successful Operation. As 5th and 11th is needed for complete Cure.

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

2009/1/17 Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Here is the KPBC of baby through my software:

Base Data

 

 

 

 

Name

 

Quiz 2 Baby

 

 

Date

 

2008-12-24 Wednesday

 

 

Local Time

 

21:14:00

 

 

Location

 

Ragama, (Sri Lanka)

 

 

Longitude

 

79:55:00 East

 

 

Latitude

 

07:01:00 North

 

 

Time Zone

 

UT +5.5 Hours

 

 

Daylight Saving

 

0.0 Hours

 

 

Universal Time

 

15:44:00

 

 

Sidereal Time

 

03:18:42

 

 

Julian Date

 

2454825.15556

 

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

 

Krishnamurti

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

23:53:09

 

 

Western Ayanamsa

 

None

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

00:00:00

 

 

Sunrise

 

06:22:34

 

 

Sunset

 

17:57:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Length

 

Lord

 

Nakshatra

 

KP Lord

 

Sublord

 

Bhava

 

 

Sun

 

09¡ë13¡ì48¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

 

5

 

 

Moon

 

08¡ë15¡ì44¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Anuradha

 

Saturn

 

Venus

 

4

 

 

Mars

 

04¡ë01¡ì45¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Moon

 

5

 

 

Mercury

 

25¡ë00¡ì55¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

5

 

 

Jupiter

 

03¡ë16¡ì01¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

U.Shadha

 

Sun

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Venus

 

25¡ë06¡ì59¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

7

 

 

Saturn

 

27¡ë44¡ì15¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

U.Phalguni

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

2

 

 

Rahu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Sravana

 

Moon

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Ketu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Mercury

 

12

 

 

Lagna

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Rahu

 

5

 

 

Dhana

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Sahaja

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Virgo

 

Mercury

 

Chitra

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Bandhu

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Libra

 

Venus

 

Visakha

 

Jupiter

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

Putra

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Jyeshta

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Satru

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Yuvati

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

Randhra

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Aquarius

 

Saturn

 

P.Bhadra

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Dharma

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Pisces

 

Jupiter

 

Revati

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Karma

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Aries

 

Mars

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

Labha

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Mrigasira

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Vyaya

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Punarvasu

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,As shown below, the main reason for difference in Rahu/Ketu value is that you're using TRUE value and in KP MEAN value is used. (Mean Nodes vs True Nodes in " KPEzine, July 2008 " at www.loger.com)

Shri Raichur has said the rules are not wrong and astrologer is wrong.Here SWs are not wrong and astrologer can be wrong.Regards,twAstraura Chart using Lahiri Ayanamsa and TRUE Nodes

Name : KPBC- 2Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December-2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : Lahiri 23¡ë 59' 09 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:====================================================

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House====================================================Sun 9¡ë Sa 13' 36 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 15' 36 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 1' 32 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 0' 43 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 15' 49 " Utrashada 2 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 6' 47 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 44' 03 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 3' 46 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 14' 05 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 0' 08 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 15¡ë Cp 57' 11 " Shravana 2 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 15¡ë Cn 57' 11 " Pushya 4 Moo-Sat-Jup 12=====================================================

=====================================================Cusp Longitude Star K.P. Pointer =====================================================I 24¡ë Cn 57' 15 " Aslesha Moo-Mer-Rah

II 24¡ë Le 56' 16 " Poorva Phalguni Sun-Ven-Mer III 26¡ë Vi 43' 01 " Chitra Mer-Mar-Jup IV 27¡ë Li 53' 23 " Vishakha Ven-Jup-Ven

V 27¡ë Sc 15' 04 " Jyeshta Mar-Mer-Jup VI 25¡ë Sa 44' 59 " Poorvashada Jup-Ven-Mer VII 24¡ë Cp 57' 15 " Dhanishta Sat-Mar-Rah

VIII 24¡ë Aq 56' 16 " Poorva Bhadra Sat-Jup-Mer IX 26¡ë Pi 43' 01 " Revati Jup-Mer-Jup X 27¡ë Ar 53' 23 " Krittika Mar-Sun-Moo

XI 27¡ë Ta 15' 04 " Mrigasiras Ven-Mar-Jup XII 25¡ë Ge 44' 59 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer Fortuna 23¡ë Ge 59' 15 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer

-----------Astraura Chart using KP New Ayanamsa (2003) and MEAN NodesName : KPBC- 2

Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December-2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : KPNA 23¡ë 53' 32 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:====================================================

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House====================================================Sun 9¡ë Sa 19' 13 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 21' 13 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 7' 10 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 6' 21 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 21' 26 " Utrashada 3 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 12' 25 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 49' 40 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 9' 23 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 19' 43 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 5' 46 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 17¡ë Cp 27' 16 " Shravana 3 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 17¡ë Cn 27' 16 " Aslesha 1 Moo-Mer-Mer 12======================================================

 

, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62 wrote:>> > Dear Tw jee,> > about Quiz no 2 chart.

> > I am using the software Parasar's Light 2000 I am getting planetary> degree as below :--> > > As 24:57:00 Can Ashlesha 3> Sun 09:13:21 Sag Moola 3> Moon 08:15:22 Sco Anuradha 2

> Mars 04:01:18 Seg Moola 2> Mer. 25:00:29 Sag P.Shad. 4> Ju 03:15:35 Cap U.Shad. 3> Ve 25:06:32 Cap Dhanish. 1> Sa 27:43:48 Leo U.Phalg. 1> Ra 15;51:06 Cap Shravana. 2> Ket 15:51:06 can Pushya 4

> > As per you file of this chart ,Rahu/Ketu you are getting 17:27:33> degrees and i am getting 15:51:06, other are in same Nakshatra as you> have stated just these two are in different. It is lot of difference

> where both are most slow moving Nods.What is the reason?> > Where Ajoy have stated, the Ketu is in Sub of Mercury and i am getting> in star of Saturn and sub of Jupiter(SS is Ve),where Rahu is in star

> of Moon and sub lord is Saturn(SS is Saturn).> > I am using the Parasar's software and getting very god result as in> Traditional Astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > , " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > 1. You're right that Dr. Luther Rath has used the different chart> > (Msg#22002) other than the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan as> > follows:> > > > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be> > allowed.)> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > > > (Note: Long.79.55 means 79 deg 55 min, not decimal value of degree.)> > > > 2. Ajoy S. Chomaal seems using the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan> > (Msg#21956).> >

> > 3. The problem is not showing the chart details, together with Asc> > vaule and Ayanamsa value used as usually done in proper presentation of> > analysis and we don't know which chart one is talking about.

> > > > 4. The chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan is calculated by KPAstro 3.0> > and uploaded in the File section under KPBC-2 CHART . JHora gives> > almost the same chart using the adjusted KPNA of 2003.

> > > > 5. Another common practice of blind chart is giving the Asc value,> > Ayanamsa value together with the chart details. (If not mentioned, it's> > understood to be for Geographic Latitude.)

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr Luther and learned members,> > >> > > In order to learn my lessons through this remarkable quiz, I was going> > > through the readings by our learned members. I noticed that Dr Luther

> > has> > > given his analysis on an entirely different chart. The ascendant and> > the> > > planetary positions are entirely different from what I obtained with> > Kundly

> > > online.> > >> > > I was wondering if their is a misunderstanding on my part or some> > error> > > somewhere. Most humbly I request Dr Luther to please clarify if I am

> > reading> > > something wrong. In fact I told this to Sunaparantha ji to clarify> > when I> > > was casting the chart for myself.> > >> > > Regards

> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/1/15 Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@> > >> > > > Dear Luther Rath & Ajoy> > > > Please accept my hearty congratulations for your accurate analysis.

> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > ------------------------------> > > > ** Neeraj Chowksey chowkseyneeraj@> > > > *To:*

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29:04 AM> > > > *Subject:* Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > >> > > > Dear Luther Sir,> > > > Dear Ajoyji ,

> > > > Congratulation, Hats Offfffffff to both of you.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Neeraj> > > >> > > > --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM> > > >> > > > forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not> > > > showing in the forum.

> > > >> > > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ sunaparantha@> > > > >

> > > > Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro up.com @

> > > > Cc: Punit Panday punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com punitp@>> > > >> > > >> > > > Pranam to all.> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.> > > >> > > > It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

> > > >> > > > You have said " It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not> > keen on> > > > there " > > > >> > > > With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

> > end.> > > >> > > > Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is the> > main> > > > reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing

> > the> > > > knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Here is the Answer.*

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal> > Malformation.**> > > > *> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *About the disease*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

> > occurs> > > > in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is> > reported that> > > > 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.> > > >

> > > > According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated> > with> > > > DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common> > genetic> > > > pattern of malformation in man.

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Baby at present*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

> > investigations and> > > > is due to a surgery after six months.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Astrological aspects as per KP*

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Signs*> > > >> > > > Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs> > > >> > > > Virgo governs Bowels

> > > >> > > > Scorpio governs Anus> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Planets*> > > >> > > > Mars governs Rectum

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Houses*> > > >> > > > Sixth House governs Anus> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Stars*> > > >> > > > Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon> > > >> > > > Anuradha governs Rectum

> > > >> > > > Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Affecting of 6th house*> > > >

> > > > 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1> > and 6 and> > > > that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-> > Part 1)

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion> > in> > > > this particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

> > cause,> > > > the Down Syndrome.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who> > failed.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.> > > >> > > > And my congratulation to those who have success.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope> > grand> > > > gatherings in future quizzes.

> > > >> > > >> > > > For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunaparantha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Dear Prem Ji.Prem is Loving, loving to all.Thanks for yr loving information on the curious birth the baby.At the moment I am in touch with parents of the baby and and planned to go and see the baby next morning SunaparanthaPrem Chopra <pramchopra1964 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009

10:04:13 AMRe: Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Baby's Dasha Analysis:

Saturn/Venus/ Venus/Mercury/ Mars: Starts from 1/2/2009 17:23:29 Up to 3/2/2009 07:37:28.

 

Mars Signifying 3, 5,7,10,11. Possibility of Successful Operation. As 5th and 11th is needed for complete Cure.

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

2009/1/17 Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964@ gmail.com>

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Here is the KPBC of baby through my software:

Base Data

 

 

 

 

Name

 

Quiz 2 Baby

 

 

Date

 

2008-12-24 Wednesday

 

 

Local Time

 

21:14:00

 

 

Location

 

Ragama, (Sri Lanka)

 

 

Longitude

 

79:55:00 East

 

 

Latitude

 

07:01:00 North

 

 

Time Zone

 

UT +5.5 Hours

 

 

Daylight Saving

 

0.0 Hours

 

 

Universal Time

 

15:44:00

 

 

Sidereal Time

 

03:18:42

 

 

Julian Date

 

2454825.15556

 

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

 

Krishnamurti

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

23:53:09

 

 

Western Ayanamsa

 

None

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

00:00:00

 

 

Sunrise

 

06:22:34

 

 

Sunset

 

17:57:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Length

 

Lord

 

Nakshatra

 

KP Lord

 

Sublord

 

Bhava

 

 

Sun

 

09¡ë13¡ì48¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

 

5

 

 

Moon

 

08¡ë15¡ì44¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Anuradha

 

Saturn

 

Venus

 

4

 

 

Mars

 

04¡ë01¡ì45¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Moon

 

5

 

 

Mercury

 

25¡ë00¡ì55¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

5

 

 

Jupiter

 

03¡ë16¡ì01¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

U.Shadha

 

Sun

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Venus

 

25¡ë06¡ì59¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

7

 

 

Saturn

 

27¡ë44¡ì15¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

U.Phalguni

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

2

 

 

Rahu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Sravana

 

Moon

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Ketu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Mercury

 

12

 

 

Lagna

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Rahu

 

5

 

 

Dhana

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Sahaja

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Virgo

 

Mercury

 

Chitra

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Bandhu

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Libra

 

Venus

 

Visakha

 

Jupiter

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

Putra

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Jyeshta

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Satru

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Yuvati

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

Randhra

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Aquarius

 

Saturn

 

P.Bhadra

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Dharma

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Pisces

 

Jupiter

 

Revati

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Karma

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Aries

 

Mars

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

Labha

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Mrigasira

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Vyaya

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Punarvasu

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,As shown below, the main reason for difference in Rahu/Ketu value is that you're using TRUE value and in KP MEAN value is used. (Mean Nodes vs True Nodes in "KPEzine, July 2008" at www.loger. com)

Shri Raichur has said the rules are not wrong and astrologer is wrong.Here SWs are not wrong and astrologer can be wrong.Regards,twAstraura Chart using Lahiri Ayanamsa and TRUE Nodes

Name : KPBC- 2Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : Lahiri 23¡ë 59' 09"

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50"Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 13' 36" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 15' 36" Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 1' 32" Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 0' 43" Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 15' 49" Utrashada 2 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 6' 47" Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 44' 03" Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 3' 46" Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 14' 05" Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 0' 08" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 15¡ë Cp 57' 11" Shravana 2 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 15¡ë Cn 57' 11" Pushya 4 Moo-Sat-Jup 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====Cusp Longitude Star K.P. Pointer ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====I 24¡ë Cn 57' 15" Aslesha Moo-Mer-Rah

II 24¡ë Le 56' 16" Poorva Phalguni Sun-Ven-Mer III 26¡ë Vi 43' 01" Chitra Mer-Mar-Jup IV 27¡ë Li 53' 23" Vishakha Ven-Jup-Ven

V 27¡ë Sc 15' 04" Jyeshta Mar-Mer-Jup VI 25¡ë Sa 44' 59" Poorvashada Jup-Ven-Mer VII 24¡ë Cp 57' 15" Dhanishta Sat-Mar-Rah

VIII 24¡ë Aq 56' 16" Poorva Bhadra Sat-Jup-Mer IX 26¡ë Pi 43' 01" Revati Jup-Mer-Jup X 27¡ë Ar 53' 23" Krittika Mar-Sun-Moo

XI 27¡ë Ta 15' 04" Mrigasiras Ven-Mar-Jup XII 25¡ë Ge 44' 59" Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer Fortuna 23¡ë Ge 59' 15" Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----Astraura Chart using KP New Ayanamsa (2003) and MEAN NodesName : KPBC- 2

Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : KPNA 23¡ë 53' 32"

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50"Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 19' 13" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 21' 13" Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 7' 10" Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 6' 21" Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 21' 26" Utrashada 3 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 12' 25" Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 49' 40" Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 9' 23" Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 19' 43" Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 5' 46" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 17¡ë Cp 27' 16" Shravana 3 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 17¡ë Cn 27' 16" Aslesha 1 Moo-Mer-Mer 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======

 

@gro ups.com, "msbohra62" <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:>> > Dear Tw jee,> > about Quiz no 2 chart.

> > I am using the software Parasar's Light 2000 I am getting planetary> degree as below :--> > > As 24:57:00 Can Ashlesha 3> Sun 09:13:21 Sag Moola 3> Moon 08:15:22 Sco Anuradha 2

> Mars 04:01:18 Seg Moola 2> Mer. 25:00:29 Sag P.Shad. 4> Ju 03:15:35 Cap U.Shad. 3> Ve 25:06:32 Cap Dhanish. 1> Sa 27:43:48 Leo U.Phalg. 1> Ra 15;51:06 Cap Shravana. 2> Ket 15:51:06 can Pushya 4

> > As per you file of this chart ,Rahu/Ketu you are getting 17:27:33> degrees and i am getting 15:51:06, other are in same Nakshatra as you> have stated just these two are in different. It is lot of difference

> where both are most slow moving Nods.What is the reason?> > Where Ajoy have stated, the Ketu is in Sub of Mercury and i am getting> in star of Saturn and sub of Jupiter(SS is Ve),where Rahu is in star

> of Moon and sub lord is Saturn(SS is Saturn).> > I am using the Parasar's software and getting very god result as in> Traditional Astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > 1. You're right that Dr. Luther Rath has used the different chart> > (Msg#22002) other than the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan as> > follows:> > > > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be> > allowed.)> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > > > (Note: Long.79.55 means 79 deg 55 min, not decimal value of degree.)> > > > 2. Ajoy S. Chomaal seems using the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan> > (Msg#21956).> >

> > 3. The problem is not showing the chart details, together with Asc> > vaule and Ayanamsa value used as usually done in proper presentation of> > analysis and we don't know which chart one is talking about.

> > > > 4. The chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan is calculated by KPAstro 3.0> > and uploaded in the File section under KPBC-2 CHART . JHora gives> > almost the same chart using the adjusted KPNA of 2003.

> > > > 5. Another common practice of blind chart is giving the Asc value,> > Ayanamsa value together with the chart details. (If not mentioned, it's> > understood to be for Geographic Latitude.)

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@>

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr Luther and learned members,> > >> > > In order to learn my lessons through this remarkable quiz, I was going> > > through the readings by our learned members. I noticed that Dr Luther

> > has> > > given his analysis on an entirely different chart. The ascendant and> > the> > > planetary positions are entirely different from what I obtained with> > Kundly

> > > online.> > >> > > I was wondering if their is a misunderstanding on my part or some> > error> > > somewhere. Most humbly I request Dr Luther to please clarify if I am

> > reading> > > something wrong. In fact I told this to Sunaparantha ji to clarify> > when I> > > was casting the chart for myself.> > >> > > Regards

> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/1/15 Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@> > >> > > > Dear Luther Rath & Ajoy> > > > Please accept my hearty congratulations for your accurate analysis.

> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > ** Neeraj Chowksey chowkseyneeraj@> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29:04 AM> > > > *Subject:* Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > >> > > > Dear Luther Sir,> > > > Dear Ajoyji ,

> > > > Congratulation, Hats Offfffffff to both of you.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Neeraj> > > >> > > > --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM> > > >> > > > forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not> > > > showing in the forum.

> > > >> > > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ sunaparant ha@> > > > >

> > > > Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro up.com @

> > > > Cc: Punit Panday punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com punitp@>> > > >> > > >> > > > Pranam to all.> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.> > > >> > > > It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

> > > >> > > > You have said "It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not> > keen on> > > > there"> > > >> > > > With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

> > end.> > > >> > > > Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is the> > main> > > > reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing

> > the> > > > knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Here is the Answer.*

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal> > Malformation. **> > > > *> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *About the disease*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

> > occurs> > > > in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is> > reported that> > > > 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.> > > >

> > > > According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated> > with> > > > DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common> > genetic> > > > pattern of malformation in man.

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Baby at present*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

> > investigations and> > > > is due to a surgery after six months.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Astrological aspects as per KP*

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Signs*> > > >> > > > Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs> > > >> > > > Virgo governs Bowels

> > > >> > > > Scorpio governs Anus> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Planets*> > > >> > > > Mars governs Rectum

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Houses*> > > >> > > > Sixth House governs Anus> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Stars*> > > >> > > > Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon> > > >> > > > Anuradha governs Rectum

> > > >> > > > Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Affecting of 6th house*> > > >

> > > > 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1> > and 6 and> > > > that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-> > Part 1)

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion> > in> > > > this particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

> > cause,> > > > the Down Syndrome.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who> > failed.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.> > > >> > > > And my congratulation to those who have success.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope> > grand> > > > gatherings in future quizzes.

> > > >> > > >> > > > For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunaparantha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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Dear Friends,

 

I am sorry for replying after almost 3 days. The reason as i mentioned

in my post itself, as I was out of town (to Shridi) and returnd just

now. I could not check my mails as I was in the temple most of the time.

 

NOW I SAW THE RESULT. IT IS SO INTERESTING!

 

FIRST OF ALL I CONGRATULATE MR. AJOY and Dr.Luther Rath FOR THEIR

CORRECT PREDICTION.

 

I COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IN DIAGNOSIS OF THE DISEASE

BETWEEN MR.AJOY AND DR.LUTHER RATH. AJOY WAS IN TOO DEPTH ON Karakas

of THE PLANETS CONNECTED TO THE VIth AND ALL THE HOUSE THEY ARE

POSITED. ( I JUST TAKEN THE SUB LORD MERCURY FOR CHANCES OF NERVOUS

DISORDERS .I FELL MY ERROR HERE!)BUT HE HAS TAKEN THE STAR LORD OF THE

6TH VENUS AND ALSO THE SUB LORD OF MERCURY AND THE SIGN WHERE IT IS

DISPOSITED. (GOOD APPROACH!)

 

WHERE AS DR.LUTHER RATH WAS FOCUSING MAINLY THE KARAKAS OF THE SIGN

WHERE THE VI th cusp FALLS. )BUT as per his chart the VIth cusp falls

on Scorpio (! ?). But Ajoy and even mine were in Sagittarius (I hope

I am correct). HOPE SOME DISCUSSIONS HAPPENED WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ON

THIS. I YET TO GO THROUGH ALL!

 

I COULD SEE EXACLTY WHERE I MISSED AND WHY SHOULD I WENT WRONG. I

CONCENTRATED ON SUBLORD OF THE VIth cusp alone and DID NOT GIVE

IMPOTANCE TO THE SIGN (with my earlier experience in few cases, if we

analyse just the Sign alone where the 6th cusp falls, the dianosis was

not correct also. somtimes, when we analyse ONLY the planets it comes

true. now in this case the Star lord and and the Sub lord where it

posited apart from the 6th Cusp position!!

 

SO I COULD UNDERSTAND WE MUST STUDY WELL DEPENDS ON THE CASE.AND A LOT

OF SUCH STUDIES ALSO NEEDED!

 

I COULD FILL SOME GAP IN MY VIEW!

 

I COULD SEE IN MY FINDINGS, THE PRESENCE OF SOME ILLNESS WAS CORRECT

AND ALSO THE BABY WAS IN RISK WAS CORRECT .AND ALSO THE SIGNIFICATOR

OF 5 (as I had a doubt) MIGHT GIVE SOME WAY FOR THE CURE ALSO !

 

BUT IN THE DIAGNOSIS PART MOST OF US HAD THE DIFFERENCE!

 

It is a good Test! where I got some important points which helps in

filling the Gap! Hope for Others too!

 

Thank you so much Sunaprantha Ji for such wonderful Case study!

 

HOPE AFTER THIS RESULT A LOT OF DISCUSSION WERE GOING ON BETWEEN THE

MEMBERS WHICH I COULD NOT PARTICIPATE AS I WAS NOT OUT OF TOWN!

 

YES I HAVE TO STUDY WELL THE ANALYSIS OF ALL AND THE DISCUSSIONS. IF I

HAVE ANY QUERY I SHALL COME BACK!

 

THANK GOD! I AM HAPPY AND PROUD TO SAY MY INITIATION OF SUCH CASE

STUDY WOULD HAVE MADE SOME GOOD ACTIVITY WITHIN OUR MEMBERS WHICH ARE

MORE HEALTHY TO IMPROVE OUR ANALYSIS!

 

THANKS AND REGARDS

ADITH

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Punit Pandey " <punitp wrote:

>

> forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not

showing

> in the forum.

>

>

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------

> Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha

> Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM

> Test our Expertise - 02 Results

>

> Cc: Punit Panday <punitp

>

>

> Pranam to all.

>

>

>

> Dear Members.

>

>

>

> I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.

>

> It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

>

> You have said " It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not

keen on

> there "

>

> With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

end.

>

> Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is

the main

> reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing the

> knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert

>

>

>

> *Here is the Answer.*

>

>

>

> *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal

Malformation.***

>

> * *

>

>

>

> *About the disease*

>

> * *

>

> Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

occurs

> in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is

reported that

> 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.

>

> According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated with

> DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common genetic

> pattern of malformation in man.

>

> * *

>

> *Baby at present*

>

> * *

>

> He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

investigations and is

> due to a surgery after six months.

>

> * *

>

> *Astrological aspects as per KP*

>

> * *

>

> *Signs*

>

> Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs

>

> Virgo governs Bowels

>

> Scorpio governs Anus

>

>

>

> *Planets*

>

> Mars governs Rectum

>

>

>

>

>

> *Houses*

>

> Sixth House governs Anus

>

> * *

>

> *Stars*

>

> Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon

>

> Anuradha governs Rectum

>

> Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus

>

> * *

>

> *Affecting of 6th house*

>

> 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1

and 6 and

> that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-

Part 1)

>

>

>

> But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion

in this

> particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

cause, the

> Down Syndrome.

>

>

>

> I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who failed.

>

>

>

> Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.

>

> And my congratulation to those who have success.

>

>

>

> And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope grand

> gatherings in future quizzes.

>

>

> For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment

>

>

>

> Wish you all the best.

>

>

>

> Sunaparantha

>

* *

>

> * *

>

> * *

>

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Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Thanks for your Compliments I do want to see that how can we help Child to welcome in this world I dont know how but I am seeing that Angles are also in connection to helping the Child. I pray God to make Good things happen for the baby.

 

" Oh God ! Please Show your Enlightenment of Knowledge, Good Health and Prosperity on Baby so that Baby can start expedition to servival and take task of Prarabhdh to show the sparkling Shine of yours. "

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

2009/1/17 Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prem Ji.Prem is Loving, loving to all.Thanks for yr loving information on the curious birth the baby.At the moment I am in touch with parents of the baby and and planned to go and see the baby next morning

Sunaparantha

 

 

 

Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964 Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:04:13 AM

Re: Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

 

 

 

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Baby's Dasha Analysis:

Saturn/Venus/ Venus/Mercury/ Mars: Starts from 1/2/2009 17:23:29 Up to 3/2/2009 07:37:28.

 

Mars Signifying 3, 5,7,10,11. Possibility of Successful Operation. As 5th and 11th is needed for complete Cure.

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

2009/1/17 Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964@ gmail.com>

 

 

 

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Here is the KPBC of baby through my software:

Base Data

 

 

 

 

Name

 

Quiz 2 Baby

 

 

Date

 

2008-12-24 Wednesday

 

 

Local Time

 

21:14:00

 

 

Location

 

Ragama, (Sri Lanka)

 

 

Longitude

 

79:55:00 East

 

 

Latitude

 

07:01:00 North

 

 

Time Zone

 

UT +5.5 Hours

 

 

Daylight Saving

 

0.0 Hours

 

 

Universal Time

 

15:44:00

 

 

Sidereal Time

 

03:18:42

 

 

Julian Date

 

2454825.15556

 

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

 

Krishnamurti

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

23:53:09

 

 

Western Ayanamsa

 

None

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

00:00:00

 

 

Sunrise

 

06:22:34

 

 

Sunset

 

17:57:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Length

 

Lord

 

Nakshatra

 

KP Lord

 

Sublord

 

Bhava

 

 

Sun

 

09¡ë13¡ì48¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

 

5

 

 

Moon

 

08¡ë15¡ì44¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Anuradha

 

Saturn

 

Venus

 

4

 

 

Mars

 

04¡ë01¡ì45¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Moon

 

5

 

 

Mercury

 

25¡ë00¡ì55¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

5

 

 

Jupiter

 

03¡ë16¡ì01¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

U.Shadha

 

Sun

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Venus

 

25¡ë06¡ì59¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

7

 

 

Saturn

 

27¡ë44¡ì15¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

U.Phalguni

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

2

 

 

Rahu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Sravana

 

Moon

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Ketu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Mercury

 

12

 

 

Lagna

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Rahu

 

5

 

 

Dhana

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Sahaja

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Virgo

 

Mercury

 

Chitra

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Bandhu

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Libra

 

Venus

 

Visakha

 

Jupiter

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

Putra

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Jyeshta

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Satru

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Yuvati

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

Randhra

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Aquarius

 

Saturn

 

P.Bhadra

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Dharma

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Pisces

 

Jupiter

 

Revati

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Karma

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Aries

 

Mars

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

Labha

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Mrigasira

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Vyaya

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Punarvasu

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,As shown below, the main reason for difference in Rahu/Ketu value is that you're using TRUE value and in KP MEAN value is used. (Mean Nodes vs True Nodes in " KPEzine, July 2008 " at www.loger. com)

Shri Raichur has said the rules are not wrong and astrologer is wrong.Here SWs are not wrong and astrologer can be wrong.Regards,twAstraura Chart using Lahiri Ayanamsa and TRUE Nodes

Name : KPBC- 2Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : Lahiri 23¡ë 59' 09 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 13' 36 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 15' 36 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 1' 32 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 0' 43 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 15' 49 " Utrashada 2 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 6' 47 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 44' 03 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 3' 46 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 14' 05 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 0' 08 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 15¡ë Cp 57' 11 " Shravana 2 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 15¡ë Cn 57' 11 " Pushya 4 Moo-Sat-Jup 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====Cusp Longitude Star K.P. Pointer ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====I 24¡ë Cn 57' 15 " Aslesha Moo-Mer-Rah

II 24¡ë Le 56' 16 " Poorva Phalguni Sun-Ven-Mer III 26¡ë Vi 43' 01 " Chitra Mer-Mar-Jup IV 27¡ë Li 53' 23 " Vishakha Ven-Jup-Ven

V 27¡ë Sc 15' 04 " Jyeshta Mar-Mer-Jup VI 25¡ë Sa 44' 59 " Poorvashada Jup-Ven-Mer VII 24¡ë Cp 57' 15 " Dhanishta Sat-Mar-Rah

VIII 24¡ë Aq 56' 16 " Poorva Bhadra Sat-Jup-Mer IX 26¡ë Pi 43' 01 " Revati Jup-Mer-Jup X 27¡ë Ar 53' 23 " Krittika Mar-Sun-Moo

XI 27¡ë Ta 15' 04 " Mrigasiras Ven-Mar-Jup XII 25¡ë Ge 44' 59 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer Fortuna 23¡ë Ge 59' 15 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----Astraura Chart using KP New Ayanamsa (2003) and MEAN NodesName : KPBC- 2

Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : KPNA 23¡ë 53' 32 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 19' 13 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 21' 13 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 7' 10 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 6' 21 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 21' 26 " Utrashada 3 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 12' 25 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 49' 40 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 9' 23 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 19' 43 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 5' 46 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 17¡ë Cp 27' 16 " Shravana 3 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 17¡ë Cn 27' 16 " Aslesha 1 Moo-Mer-Mer 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:>> > Dear Tw jee,

> > about Quiz no 2 chart.> > I am using the software Parasar's Light 2000 I am getting planetary> degree as below :--> > > As 24:57:00 Can Ashlesha 3> Sun 09:13:21 Sag Moola 3

> Moon 08:15:22 Sco Anuradha 2> Mars 04:01:18 Seg Moola 2> Mer. 25:00:29 Sag P.Shad. 4> Ju 03:15:35 Cap U.Shad. 3> Ve 25:06:32 Cap Dhanish. 1> Sa 27:43:48 Leo U.Phalg. 1> Ra 15;51:06 Cap Shravana. 2

> Ket 15:51:06 can Pushya 4> > As per you file of this chart ,Rahu/Ketu you are getting 17:27:33> degrees and i am getting 15:51:06, other are in same Nakshatra as you> have stated just these two are in different. It is lot of difference

> where both are most slow moving Nods.What is the reason?> > Where Ajoy have stated, the Ketu is in Sub of Mercury and i am getting> in star of Saturn and sub of Jupiter(SS is Ve),where Rahu is in star

> of Moon and sub lord is Saturn(SS is Saturn).> > I am using the Parasar's software and getting very god result as in> Traditional Astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

 

 

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > 1. You're right that Dr. Luther Rath has used the different chart> > (Msg#22002) other than the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan as> > follows:> > > > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be> > allowed.)> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > > > (Note: Long.79.55 means 79 deg 55 min, not decimal value of degree.)> > > > 2. Ajoy S. Chomaal seems using the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan> > (Msg#21956).> >

> > 3. The problem is not showing the chart details, together with Asc> > vaule and Ayanamsa value used as usually done in proper presentation of> > analysis and we don't know which chart one is talking about.

> > > > 4. The chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan is calculated by KPAstro 3.0> > and uploaded in the File section under KPBC-2 CHART . JHora gives> > almost the same chart using the adjusted KPNA of 2003.

> > > > 5. Another common practice of blind chart is giving the Asc value,> > Ayanamsa value together with the chart details. (If not mentioned, it's> > understood to be for Geographic Latitude.)

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@>

 

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr Luther and learned members,> > >> > > In order to learn my lessons through this remarkable quiz, I was going

> > > through the readings by our learned members. I noticed that Dr Luther> > has> > > given his analysis on an entirely different chart. The ascendant and> > the> > > planetary positions are entirely different from what I obtained with

> > Kundly> > > online.> > >> > > I was wondering if their is a misunderstanding on my part or some> > error> > > somewhere. Most humbly I request Dr Luther to please clarify if I am

> > reading> > > something wrong. In fact I told this to Sunaparantha ji to clarify> > when I> > > was casting the chart for myself.> > >> > > Regards

> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/1/15 Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@> > >> > > > Dear Luther Rath & Ajoy> > > > Please accept my hearty congratulations for your accurate analysis.

> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > ** Neeraj Chowksey chowkseyneeraj@

> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

 

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29:04 AM> > > > *Subject:* Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > >> > > > Dear Luther Sir,

> > > > Dear Ajoyji ,> > > > Congratulation, Hats Offfffffff to both of you.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Neeraj> > > >> > > > --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM> > > >> > > > forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not> > > > showing in the forum.

> > > >> > > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ sunaparant ha@> > > > >

> > > > Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro up.com @

> > > > Cc: Punit Panday punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com punitp@>> > > >> > > >> > > > Pranam to all.> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.> > > >> > > > It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

> > > >> > > > You have said " It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not> > keen on> > > > there " > > > >> > > > With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

> > end.> > > >> > > > Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is the> > main> > > > reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing

> > the> > > > knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Here is the Answer.*

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal> > Malformation. **> > > > *> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *About the disease*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

> > occurs> > > > in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is> > reported that> > > > 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.> > > >

> > > > According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated> > with> > > > DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common> > genetic> > > > pattern of malformation in man.

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Baby at present*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

> > investigations and> > > > is due to a surgery after six months.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Astrological aspects as per KP*

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Signs*> > > >> > > > Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs> > > >> > > > Virgo governs Bowels

> > > >> > > > Scorpio governs Anus> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Planets*> > > >> > > > Mars governs Rectum

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Houses*> > > >> > > > Sixth House governs Anus> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Stars*> > > >> > > > Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon> > > >> > > > Anuradha governs Rectum

> > > >> > > > Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Affecting of 6th house*> > > >

> > > > 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1> > and 6 and> > > > that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-> > Part 1)

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion> > in> > > > this particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

> > cause,> > > > the Down Syndrome.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who> > failed.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.> > > >> > > > And my congratulation to those who have success.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope> > grand> > > > gatherings in future quizzes.

> > > >> > > >> > > > For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunaparantha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Prem JiThank u once again for yr attempts on behalf of the Arogyam of the Baby.It shows the meaning of yr name."PREM", and the all the merits go to yr parents too, who named u as Prem.Today I went to see the baby. Luckily no body can recognise him as a patient. I conducted a special praying session with a sort of meditation which I have practised especially for the Life saving and good health.According to my third eye there wont be any misfortune for the baby.God bless uSunaparanthaPrem Chopra <pramchopra1964 Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:29 AMRe: Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Thanks for your Compliments I do want to see that how can we help Child to welcome in this world I dont know how but I am seeing that Angles are also in connection to helping the Child. I pray God to make Good things happen for the baby.

 

" Oh God ! Please Show your Enlightenment of Knowledge, Good Health and Prosperity on Baby so that Baby can start expedition to servival and take task of Prarabhdh to show the sparkling Shine of yours. "

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

2009/1/17 Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prem Ji.Prem is Loving, loving to all.Thanks for yr loving information on the curious birth the baby.At the moment I am in touch with parents of the baby and and planned to go and see the baby next morning

Sunaparantha

 

 

 

Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964@ gmail.com> @gro ups.comSaturday, January 17, 2009 10:04:13 AM

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~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Baby's Dasha Analysis:

Saturn/Venus/ Venus/Mercury/ Mars: Starts from 1/2/2009 17:23:29 Up to 3/2/2009 07:37:28.

 

Mars Signifying 3, 5,7,10,11. Possibility of Successful Operation. As 5th and 11th is needed for complete Cure.

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

2009/1/17 Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964@ gmail.com>

 

 

 

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Here is the KPBC of baby through my software:

Base Data

 

 

 

 

Name

 

Quiz 2 Baby

 

 

Date

 

2008-12-24 Wednesday

 

 

Local Time

 

21:14:00

 

 

Location

 

Ragama, (Sri Lanka)

 

 

Longitude

 

79:55:00 East

 

 

Latitude

 

07:01:00 North

 

 

Time Zone

 

UT +5.5 Hours

 

 

Daylight Saving

 

0.0 Hours

 

 

Universal Time

 

15:44:00

 

 

Sidereal Time

 

03:18:42

 

 

Julian Date

 

2454825.15556

 

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

 

Krishnamurti

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

23:53:09

 

 

Western Ayanamsa

 

None

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

00:00:00

 

 

Sunrise

 

06:22:34

 

 

Sunset

 

17:57:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Length

 

Lord

 

Nakshatra

 

KP Lord

 

Sublord

 

Bhava

 

 

Sun

 

09¡ë13¡ì48¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

 

5

 

 

Moon

 

08¡ë15¡ì44¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Anuradha

 

Saturn

 

Venus

 

4

 

 

Mars

 

04¡ë01¡ì45¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Moon

 

5

 

 

Mercury

 

25¡ë00¡ì55¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

5

 

 

Jupiter

 

03¡ë16¡ì01¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

U.Shadha

 

Sun

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Venus

 

25¡ë06¡ì59¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

7

 

 

Saturn

 

27¡ë44¡ì15¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

U.Phalguni

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

2

 

 

Rahu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Sravana

 

Moon

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Ketu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Mercury

 

12

 

 

Lagna

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Rahu

 

5

 

 

Dhana

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Sahaja

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Virgo

 

Mercury

 

Chitra

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Bandhu

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Libra

 

Venus

 

Visakha

 

Jupiter

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

Putra

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Jyeshta

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Satru

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Yuvati

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

Randhra

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Aquarius

 

Saturn

 

P.Bhadra

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Dharma

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Pisces

 

Jupiter

 

Revati

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Karma

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Aries

 

Mars

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

Labha

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Mrigasira

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Vyaya

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Punarvasu

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,As shown below, the main reason for difference in Rahu/Ketu value is that you're using TRUE value and in KP MEAN value is used. (Mean Nodes vs True Nodes in "KPEzine, July 2008" at www.loger. com)

Shri Raichur has said the rules are not wrong and astrologer is wrong.Here SWs are not wrong and astrologer can be wrong.Regards,twAstraura Chart using Lahiri Ayanamsa and TRUE Nodes

Name : KPBC- 2Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : Lahiri 23¡ë 59' 09"

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50"Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 13' 36" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 15' 36" Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 1' 32" Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 0' 43" Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 15' 49" Utrashada 2 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 6' 47" Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 44' 03" Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 3' 46" Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 14' 05" Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 0' 08" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 15¡ë Cp 57' 11" Shravana 2 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 15¡ë Cn 57' 11" Pushya 4 Moo-Sat-Jup 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====Cusp Longitude Star K.P. Pointer ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====I 24¡ë Cn 57' 15" Aslesha Moo-Mer-Rah

II 24¡ë Le 56' 16" Poorva Phalguni Sun-Ven-Mer III 26¡ë Vi 43' 01" Chitra Mer-Mar-Jup IV 27¡ë Li 53' 23" Vishakha Ven-Jup-Ven

V 27¡ë Sc 15' 04" Jyeshta Mar-Mer-Jup VI 25¡ë Sa 44' 59" Poorvashada Jup-Ven-Mer VII 24¡ë Cp 57' 15" Dhanishta Sat-Mar-Rah

VIII 24¡ë Aq 56' 16" Poorva Bhadra Sat-Jup-Mer IX 26¡ë Pi 43' 01" Revati Jup-Mer-Jup X 27¡ë Ar 53' 23" Krittika Mar-Sun-Moo

XI 27¡ë Ta 15' 04" Mrigasiras Ven-Mar-Jup XII 25¡ë Ge 44' 59" Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer Fortuna 23¡ë Ge 59' 15" Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----Astraura Chart using KP New Ayanamsa (2003) and MEAN NodesName : KPBC- 2

Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : KPNA 23¡ë 53' 32"

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50"Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 19' 13" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 21' 13" Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 7' 10" Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 6' 21" Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 21' 26" Utrashada 3 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 12' 25" Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 49' 40" Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 9' 23" Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 19' 43" Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 5' 46" Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 17¡ë Cp 27' 16" Shravana 3 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 17¡ë Cn 27' 16" Aslesha 1 Moo-Mer-Mer 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, "msbohra62" <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:>> > Dear Tw jee,

> > about Quiz no 2 chart.> > I am using the software Parasar's Light 2000 I am getting planetary> degree as below :--> > > As 24:57:00 Can Ashlesha 3> Sun 09:13:21 Sag Moola 3

> Moon 08:15:22 Sco Anuradha 2> Mars 04:01:18 Seg Moola 2> Mer. 25:00:29 Sag P.Shad. 4> Ju 03:15:35 Cap U.Shad. 3> Ve 25:06:32 Cap Dhanish. 1> Sa 27:43:48 Leo U.Phalg. 1> Ra 15;51:06 Cap Shravana. 2

> Ket 15:51:06 can Pushya 4> > As per you file of this chart ,Rahu/Ketu you are getting 17:27:33> degrees and i am getting 15:51:06, other are in same Nakshatra as you> have stated just these two are in different. It is lot of difference

> where both are most slow moving Nods.What is the reason?> > Where Ajoy have stated, the Ketu is in Sub of Mercury and i am getting> in star of Saturn and sub of Jupiter(SS is Ve),where Rahu is in star

> of Moon and sub lord is Saturn(SS is Saturn).> > I am using the Parasar's software and getting very god result as in> Traditional Astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

 

 

> @gro ups.com, "tw853" tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friend,

> > > > 1. You're right that Dr. Luther Rath has used the different chart> > (Msg#22002) other than the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan as> > follows:> > > > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be> > allowed.)> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > > > (Note: Long.79.55 means 79 deg 55 min, not decimal value of degree.)> > > > 2. Ajoy S. Chomaal seems using the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan> > (Msg#21956).> >

> > 3. The problem is not showing the chart details, together with Asc> > vaule and Ayanamsa value used as usually done in proper presentation of> > analysis and we don't know which chart one is talking about.

> > > > 4. The chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan is calculated by KPAstro 3.0> > and uploaded in the File section under KPBC-2 CHART . JHora gives> > almost the same chart using the adjusted KPNA of 2003.

> > > > 5. Another common practice of blind chart is giving the Asc value,> > Ayanamsa value together with the chart details. (If not mentioned, it's> > understood to be for Geographic Latitude.)

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07@>

 

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr Luther and learned members,> > >> > > In order to learn my lessons through this remarkable quiz, I was going

> > > through the readings by our learned members. I noticed that Dr Luther> > has> > > given his analysis on an entirely different chart. The ascendant and> > the> > > planetary positions are entirely different from what I obtained with

> > Kundly> > > online.> > >> > > I was wondering if their is a misunderstanding on my part or some> > error> > > somewhere. Most humbly I request Dr Luther to please clarify if I am

> > reading> > > something wrong. In fact I told this to Sunaparantha ji to clarify> > when I> > > was casting the chart for myself.> > >> > > Regards

> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/1/15 Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@> > >> > > > Dear Luther Rath & Ajoy> > > > Please accept my hearty congratulations for your accurate analysis.

> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > ** Neeraj Chowksey chowkseyneeraj@

> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

 

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29:04 AM> > > > *Subject:* Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > >> > > > Dear Luther Sir,

> > > > Dear Ajoyji ,> > > > Congratulation, Hats Offfffffff to both of you.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Neeraj> > > >> > > > --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM> > > >> > > > forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not> > > > showing in the forum.

> > > >> > > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ sunaparant ha@> > > > >

> > > > Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro up.com @

> > > > Cc: Punit Panday punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com punitp@>> > > >> > > >> > > > Pranam to all.> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.> > > >> > > > It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

> > > >> > > > You have said "It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not> > keen on> > > > there"> > > >> > > > With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

> > end.> > > >> > > > Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is the> > main> > > > reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing

> > the> > > > knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Here is the Answer.*

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal> > Malformation. **> > > > *> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *About the disease*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

> > occurs> > > > in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is> > reported that> > > > 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.> > > >

> > > > According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated> > with> > > > DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common> > genetic> > > > pattern of malformation in man.

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Baby at present*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

> > investigations and> > > > is due to a surgery after six months.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Astrological aspects as per KP*

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Signs*> > > >> > > > Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs> > > >> > > > Virgo governs Bowels

> > > >> > > > Scorpio governs Anus> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Planets*> > > >> > > > Mars governs Rectum

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Houses*> > > >> > > > Sixth House governs Anus> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Stars*> > > >> > > > Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon> > > >> > > > Anuradha governs Rectum

> > > >> > > > Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Affecting of 6th house*> > > >

> > > > 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1> > and 6 and> > > > that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-> > Part 1)

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion> > in> > > > this particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

> > cause,> > > > the Down Syndrome.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who> > failed.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.> > > >> > > > And my congratulation to those who have success.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope> > grand> > > > gatherings in future quizzes.

> > > >> > > >> > > > For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunaparantha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Thanks for your kind words and all the best for your Graceful healings towards Baby and for the good Health of the baby.

 

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

2009/1/18 Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prem JiThank u once again for yr attempts on behalf of the Arogyam of the Baby.It shows the meaning of yr name. " PREM " , and the all the merits go to yr parents too, who named u as Prem.

Today I went to see the baby. Luckily no body can recognise him as a patient. I conducted a special praying session with a sort of meditation which I have practised especially for the Life saving and good health.According to my third eye there wont be any misfortune for the baby.

God bless uSunaparantha

 

 

 

Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964

Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:46:29 AM Re: Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

 

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Thanks for your Compliments I do want to see that how can we help Child to welcome in this world I dont know how but I am seeing that Angles are also in connection to helping the Child. I pray God to make Good things happen for the baby.

 

" Oh God ! Please Show your Enlightenment of Knowledge, Good Health and Prosperity on Baby so that Baby can start expedition to servival and take task of Prarabhdh to show the sparkling Shine of yours. "

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

2009/1/17 Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ >

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Prem Ji.Prem is Loving, loving to all.Thanks for yr loving information on the curious birth the baby.At the moment I am in touch with parents of the baby and and planned to go and see the baby next morning

Sunaparantha

 

 

 

 

Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964@ gmail.com>

@gro ups.com

 

 

Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:04:13 AMRe: Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Baby's Dasha Analysis:

Saturn/Venus/ Venus/Mercury/ Mars: Starts from 1/2/2009 17:23:29 Up to 3/2/2009 07:37:28.

 

Mars Signifying 3, 5,7,10,11. Possibility of Successful Operation. As 5th and 11th is needed for complete Cure.

Thanks

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

2009/1/17 Prem Chopra <pramchopra1964@ gmail.com>

 

 

 

 

~~~ Om Shree Ganeshaaye Namaha ~~~

~~~ Om Ridhi Sidhi Devi Namaha ~~~

 

Dear Sunaparantha Ji

 

Namaskaram

Here is the KPBC of baby through my software:

Base Data

 

 

 

 

Name

 

Quiz 2 Baby

 

 

Date

 

2008-12-24 Wednesday

 

 

Local Time

 

21:14:00

 

 

Location

 

Ragama, (Sri Lanka)

 

 

Longitude

 

79:55:00 East

 

 

Latitude

 

07:01:00 North

 

 

Time Zone

 

UT +5.5 Hours

 

 

Daylight Saving

 

0.0 Hours

 

 

Universal Time

 

15:44:00

 

 

Sidereal Time

 

03:18:42

 

 

Julian Date

 

2454825.15556

 

 

Vedic Ayanamsa

 

Krishnamurti

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

23:53:09

 

 

Western Ayanamsa

 

None

 

 

Ayanamsa Value

 

00:00:00

 

 

Sunrise

 

06:22:34

 

 

Sunset

 

17:57:52

 

 

 

 

 

 

Planet

 

Length

 

Lord

 

Nakshatra

 

KP Lord

 

Sublord

 

Bhava

 

 

Sun

 

09¡ë13¡ì48¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Jupiter

 

5

 

 

Moon

 

08¡ë15¡ì44¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Anuradha

 

Saturn

 

Venus

 

4

 

 

Mars

 

04¡ë01¡ì45¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

Moola

 

Ketu

 

Moon

 

5

 

 

Mercury

 

25¡ë00¡ì55¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

5

 

 

Jupiter

 

03¡ë16¡ì01¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

U.Shadha

 

Sun

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Venus

 

25¡ë06¡ì59¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

7

 

 

Saturn

 

27¡ë44¡ì15¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

U.Phalguni

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

2

 

 

Rahu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Sravana

 

Moon

 

Saturn

 

6

 

 

Ketu

 

17¡ë22¡ì08¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Mercury

 

12

 

 

Lagna

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Cancer

 

Moon

 

Aslesha

 

Mercury

 

Rahu

 

5

 

 

Dhana

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Leo

 

Sun

 

P.Phalguni

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Sahaja

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Virgo

 

Mercury

 

Chitra

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Bandhu

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Libra

 

Venus

 

Visakha

 

Jupiter

 

Venus

 

 

 

 

Putra

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Scorpio

 

Mars

 

Jyeshta

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Satru

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Sagittarius

 

Jupiter

 

P.Shadha

 

Venus

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Yuvati

 

24¡ë57¡ì26¡í Capricorn

 

Saturn

 

Dhanista

 

Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

Randhra

 

24¡ë56¡ì27¡í Aquarius

 

Saturn

 

P.Bhadra

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

 

Dharma

 

26¡ë43¡ì13¡í Pisces

 

Jupiter

 

Revati

 

Mercury

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Karma

 

27¡ë53¡ì35¡í Aries

 

Mars

 

Krittika

 

Sun

 

Moon

 

 

 

 

Labha

 

27¡ë15¡ì16¡í Taurus

 

Venus

 

Mrigasira

 

Mars

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Vyaya

 

25¡ë45¡ì11¡í Gemini

 

Mercury

 

Punarvasu

 

Jupiter

 

Mercury

 

 

 

Thanks

 

Tem Pram Chopra

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:07 PM, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Friend,As shown below, the main reason for difference in Rahu/Ketu value is that you're using TRUE value and in KP MEAN value is used. (Mean Nodes vs True Nodes in " KPEzine, July 2008 " at www.loger. com)

Shri Raichur has said the rules are not wrong and astrologer is wrong.Here SWs are not wrong and astrologer can be wrong.Regards,twAstraura Chart using Lahiri Ayanamsa and TRUE Nodes

Name : KPBC- 2Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : Lahiri 23¡ë 59' 09 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 13' 36 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 15' 36 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 1' 32 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 0' 43 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 15' 49 " Utrashada 2 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 6' 47 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 44' 03 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 3' 46 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 14' 05 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 0' 08 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 15¡ë Cp 57' 11 " Shravana 2 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 15¡ë Cn 57' 11 " Pushya 4 Moo-Sat-Jup 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====Cusp Longitude Star K.P. Pointer ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =====I 24¡ë Cn 57' 15 " Aslesha Moo-Mer-Rah

II 24¡ë Le 56' 16 " Poorva Phalguni Sun-Ven-Mer III 26¡ë Vi 43' 01 " Chitra Mer-Mar-Jup IV 27¡ë Li 53' 23 " Vishakha Ven-Jup-Ven

V 27¡ë Sc 15' 04 " Jyeshta Mar-Mer-Jup VI 25¡ë Sa 44' 59 " Poorvashada Jup-Ven-Mer VII 24¡ë Cp 57' 15 " Dhanishta Sat-Mar-Rah

VIII 24¡ë Aq 56' 16 " Poorva Bhadra Sat-Jup-Mer IX 26¡ë Pi 43' 01 " Revati Jup-Mer-Jup X 27¡ë Ar 53' 23 " Krittika Mar-Sun-Moo

XI 27¡ë Ta 15' 04 " Mrigasiras Ven-Mar-Jup XII 25¡ë Ge 44' 59 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer Fortuna 23¡ë Ge 59' 15 " Punarvasu Mer-Jup-Mer

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----Astraura Chart using KP New Ayanamsa (2003) and MEAN NodesName : KPBC- 2

Place : Ragama, Sri LankaDate : 24-December- 2008 WednesdayTime : 21-14-0Longitude : 79-55-0 EastLatitude : 7-1-0 NorthZone : 5.5Ayanamsa : KPNA 23¡ë 53' 32 "

Time System: Universal TimeSid.Time : 3¡ë 17' 50 " Latitude : Geographic LatitudeCusp System: PlacidusPositions of Planets and Cusps:============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====

Planet Longitude Star Pada K.P. Pointer House============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ====Sun 9¡ë Sa 19' 13 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Jup 5

Moon 8¡ë Sc 21' 13 " Anuradha 2 Mar-Sat-Ven 4Mars 4¡ë Sa 7' 10 " Moola 2 Jup-Ket-Moo 5Mercury 25¡ë Sa 6' 21 " Poorvashada 4 Jup-Ven-Mer 5

Jupiter 3¡ë Cp 21' 26 " Utrashada 3 Sat-Sun-Sat 6Venus 25¡ë Cp 12' 25 " Dhanishta 1 Sat-Mar-Rah 7Saturn 27¡ë Le 49' 40 " Utra Phalguni 1 Sun-Sun-Moo 2

Uranus 25¡ë Aq 9' 23 " Poorva Bhadra 2 Sat-Jup-Mer 8Neptune 28¡ë Cp 19' 43 " Dhanishta 2 Sat-Mar-Sat 7Pluto 7¡ë Sa 5' 46 " Moola 3 Jup-Ket-Rah 5

Rahu 17¡ë Cp 27' 16 " Shravana 3 Sat-Moo-Sat 6Ketu 17¡ë Cn 27' 16 " Aslesha 1 Moo-Mer-Mer 12============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ======

 

 

 

 

 

 

@gro ups.com, " msbohra62 " <msbohra62@.. .> wrote:>> > Dear Tw jee,

> > about Quiz no 2 chart.> > I am using the software Parasar's Light 2000 I am getting planetary> degree as below :--> > > As 24:57:00 Can Ashlesha 3> Sun 09:13:21 Sag Moola 3

> Moon 08:15:22 Sco Anuradha 2> Mars 04:01:18 Seg Moola 2> Mer. 25:00:29 Sag P.Shad. 4> Ju 03:15:35 Cap U.Shad. 3> Ve 25:06:32 Cap Dhanish. 1> Sa 27:43:48 Leo U.Phalg. 1> Ra 15;51:06 Cap Shravana. 2

> Ket 15:51:06 can Pushya 4> > As per you file of this chart ,Rahu/Ketu you are getting 17:27:33> degrees and i am getting 15:51:06, other are in same Nakshatra as you> have stated just these two are in different. It is lot of difference

> where both are most slow moving Nods.What is the reason?> > Where Ajoy have stated, the Ketu is in Sub of Mercury and i am getting> in star of Saturn and sub of Jupiter(SS is Ve),where Rahu is in star

> of Moon and sub lord is Saturn(SS is Saturn).> > I am using the Parasar's software and getting very god result as in> Traditional Astrology.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra

> > > > > >

 

 

> @gro ups.com, " tw853 " tw853@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Friend,> >

> > 1. You're right that Dr. Luther Rath has used the different chart> > (Msg#22002) other than the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan as> > follows:> > > > Birth detail of the Baby

> > DOB - 24. 12. 2008> > TOB - 9.14 pm ( As given by the parents. Any rectification may be> > allowed.)> > POB - Ragama, Sri Lanka Long.79.55 - Lat. 07.01> > Time Zone - 5.5 hrs

> > > > (Note: Long.79.55 means 79 deg 55 min, not decimal value of degree.)> > > > 2. Ajoy S. Chomaal seems using the chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan> > (Msg#21956).> >

> > 3. The problem is not showing the chart details, together with Asc> > vaule and Ayanamsa value used as usually done in proper presentation of> > analysis and we don't know which chart one is talking about.

> > > > 4. The chart given by Sunaparantha Kalyan is calculated by KPAstro 3.0> > and uploaded in the File section under KPBC-2 CHART . JHora gives> > almost the same chart using the adjusted KPNA of 2003.

> > > > 5. Another common practice of blind chart is giving the Asc value,> > Ayanamsa value together with the chart details. (If not mentioned, it's> > understood to be for Geographic Latitude.)

> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07@>

 

> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dr Luther and learned members,> > >> > > In order to learn my lessons through this remarkable quiz, I was going> > > through the readings by our learned members. I noticed that Dr Luther

> > has> > > given his analysis on an entirely different chart. The ascendant and> > the> > > planetary positions are entirely different from what I obtained with> > Kundly

> > > online.> > >> > > I was wondering if their is a misunderstanding on my part or some> > error> > > somewhere. Most humbly I request Dr Luther to please clarify if I am

> > reading> > > something wrong. In fact I told this to Sunaparantha ji to clarify> > when I> > > was casting the chart for myself.> > >> > > Regards

> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/1/15 Subhash Ektare subhash_ektare@> > >> > > > Dear Luther Rath & Ajoy> > > > Please accept my hearty congratulations for your accurate analysis.

> > > > Regards> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- ---------> > > > ** Neeraj Chowksey chowkseyneeraj@

> > > > *To:* @gro ups.com

 

> > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:29:04 AM> > > > *Subject:* Re: Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > >> > > > Dear Luther Sir,

> > > > Dear Ajoyji ,> > > > Congratulation, Hats Offfffffff to both of you.> > > > Thanks & regards,> > > > Neeraj> > > >> > > > --- On *Thu, 1/15/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:

> > > >> > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > >> > > > Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM> > > >> > > > forwarded, as due to some technical reason this message is still not> > > > showing in the forum.

> > > >> > > >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> > > > Sunaparantha Kalyan <sunaparantha@ sunaparant ha@> > > > >

> > > > Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:12 PM> > > > Test our Expertise - 02 Results> > > > @gro up.com @

> > > > Cc: Punit Panday punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com punitp@>> > > >> > > >> > > > Pranam to all.> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I know all of you are waiting for the results of the second quiz.> > > >> > > > It was a Hard Nut to Crack.

> > > >> > > > You have said " It is in the field of Medical Astrology. We are not> > keen on> > > > there " > > > >> > > > With this excuse most of clever members stand still and look for the

> > end.> > > >> > > > Yes, it is taught. It is very unusual and rare incident. That is the> > main> > > > reason for making it as a quiz. And it is for the sake of increasing

> > the> > > > knowledge, but not for a selection of the winner or leader or expert> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Here is the Answer.*

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *The baby was born with an IMPERFORATED ANUS, an Anorectal> > Malformation. **> > > > *> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *About the disease*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > Imperforated Anus without a fistula is an unusual malformation that

> > occurs> > > > in very less occasions. The rectum is completely blind. It is> > reported that> > > > 600 new borns are affected with this disorder annually in USA.> > > >

> > > > According to the news on the subject, this is frequently associated> > with> > > > DOWN SYNDROM, also known as TRISOMY-21. It is the most common> > genetic> > > > pattern of malformation in man.

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Baby at present*> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > He has been discharged from the hospital after thorough

> > investigations and> > > > is due to a surgery after six months.> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Astrological aspects as per KP*

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Signs*> > > >> > > > Cancer governs Stomach and Digestive Organs> > > >> > > > Virgo governs Bowels

> > > >> > > > Scorpio governs Anus> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Planets*> > > >> > > > Mars governs Rectum

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > *Houses*> > > >> > > > Sixth House governs Anus> > > >

> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Stars*> > > >> > > > Visakam 4th Pada governs Rectum and descending Colon> > > >> > > > Anuradha governs Rectum

> > > >> > > > Jyeshta governs Colon and Anus> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > *Affecting of 6th house*> > > >

> > > > 6th CSL in which star it is deposited, that star lord signifying 1> > and 6 and> > > > that SL, if it is Venus, disease of the Rectum ( Astrosecrets & KP-> > Part 1)

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the disease is the *EFFECT*, but not the *CAUSE. *So my opinion> > in> > > > this particular case is to find out the Astrological reasons for the

> > cause,> > > > the Down Syndrome.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I hope these topics may help to make corrections for those who> > failed.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Thanks a lot for all who participated in this Quiz.> > > >> > > > And my congratulation to those who have success.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > And I regret for the poor participation of our friends and hope> > grand> > > > gatherings in future quizzes.

> > > >> > > >> > > > For a picture of imperforated Anus see attachment> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best.

> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sunaparantha> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > > * *> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > >> >>

 

 

 

 

 

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