KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

February 10, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji

"What matters is are we able to use these concepts effectively, withoutcorrupting what has been given to us by KSK ?"

I am not able to come to a conclusion what actually Mr.KSK given to us. So I am searching the root where he has taken."If his conclusions are good, then we are supposed to use them"

I have used his conclusions but I could not give correct prediction. Not only by me but many. So I doubt his conclusions.

Dhanabalan--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 6:24 PM

Dear Punitji and Dhanbalanji,Does this matter that from where this concept came ?What matters is are we able to use these concepts effectively, withoutcorrupting what has been given to us by KSK ?Life is too short to search and spend time for which stalwart has gainedwhat from where ? If his conclusions are good, then we are supposed touse them and try to contribute by giving more such concepts to the newgenerations.regards/Bhaskar.@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>> The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> "Satya Jatak", I don't find

"determination of any moment" using these> planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> astrology, as far as I know.>> The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> taken from these two texts.>> Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> planets for judging destiny of a native ->> 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located>> Thanks & Regards,>> Punit Pandey>> @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> to the sage are:> > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > * Moon signlord> > * Navamsa lagna lord> > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagnalord> >> > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> as japanese style.> > Dhanabalan> >>

>>

February 10, 2009

Dear TinWinji

Pre-natal-Epoch is a theory invented by a foreigner(I will give the details afterwards). Mr.KSK tested that theory and found not suitable for BTR. Refer Reader III 2004 edition page 496 to 502 under the heading Pre-natal-epoch, "very briefly let me state how it is not useful to one and all", "Then how far we can boldly declare this to be a method for rectification is to be judged by the readers.","will this method of rectification be useful?"

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/10/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:08 AM

Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:(1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the

horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>

> The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> astrology, as far as I know. > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> taken from these two texts. > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> planets for judging destiny of a native -> > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign>

2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> to the sage are:> > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > * Moon signlord> > * Navamsa lagna lord> > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has

taken> daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> as japanese style.> > Dhanabalan> > > >>

February 10, 2009

Dears TW & Punit,

I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...

Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology...the name of the Nadi is also given by him...

But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...

Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)..

What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how,borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered...

Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.

I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves...

I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 Sent: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:(1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the

horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>

> The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> astrology, as far as I know. > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> taken from these two texts. > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> planets for judging destiny of a native -> > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign>

2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> to the sage are:> > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > * Moon signlord> > * Navamsa lagna lord> > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has

taken> daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> as japanese style.> > Dhanabalan> > > >>

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February 10, 2009

Dear L.Y.Rao

If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz?

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi , "Tin Win" <tw853Cc: "Punit Pandey" <punitpTuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM

Dears TW & Punit,

I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...

Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him...

But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...

Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)..

What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis...and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .

Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.

I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. .

I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...

With kind regards,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comTuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:(1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the

horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" <punitp wrote:>> Dear Dhanabalan ji,>

> The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> astrology, as far as I know. > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> taken from these two texts. > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> planets for judging destiny of a native -> > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign>

2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > Thanks & Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> >> > Dear Punitji> > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> to the sage are:> > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > * Moon signlord> > * Navamsa lagna lord> > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has

taken> daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> as japanese style.> > Dhanabalan> > > >>

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February 11, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji

If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating in the quiz.

Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.

There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.

You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?

Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.

Please take this positively.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear L.Y.Rao> If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz?> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. . wrote:> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. .> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853 Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...>

Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him...> But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...>

What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.>

I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> With kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.>

GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from

Naadi> > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but

some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:> (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which

the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" punitp@ wrote:> >> >

Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> > taken from these two texts. > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are

the> > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> > to the sage are:> > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > * Moon

signlord> > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> > as japanese style.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> >> > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.>

February 11, 2009

Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,

My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme as childish and it is below their

dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair

knowledge and study and who are really interested to

improve their ability to gain practical experience will come

forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time

the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued

giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will

be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by

way of discussion with members. I wish that you should

initiate this with your abundant knowledge.

With best wishes,

K.S.V.Ramani

goes wrong. -

Dhanabalan R

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM

Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

Dear Bhaskarji

If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating in the quiz.

Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.

There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.

You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?

Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.

Please take this positively.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear L.Y.Rao> If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz?> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. . wrote:> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. .> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com, "Tin Win" tw853 Cc: "Punit Pandey" punitp Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him...> But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> With kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:> (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, "Punit Pandey" punitp@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> > in "Satya Jatak" that these planets should be used for determining the> > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> > "Satya Jatak", I don't find "determination of any moment" using these> > planets. "Satya Jatak" deesn't talk about rectification or horary> > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from "Brihat Jatak"> > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> > taken from these two texts. > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of "Jatak Satyacharya" , following are the> > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > Please go through the article "Ruling planets" by Dr.Satya Prakash> > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> > reproducing the sentences, "The determinants of any moment according> > to the sage are:> > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > * Moon signlord> > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> > as japanese style.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> >> > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.>

February 11, 2009

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Ramani ji,I appreciate your valulble thoughts.I am interested in participating such Quiz for which I have benn waiting for others to post. But no one comes forward to do so due to many reasons.

As you said only practical experience will be helpful in the practical predictions. I do get such expeirences. I feel I can learn only if do mistakes.You can my analysis on my quiz might be pretty good. It does not mean that I am always correct. Having known the answer finding the reason is always easy. Thats what I have done. Still I want to learn every day. So I want to participate in other quiz. I dont want to be reluctant in participating or never feel embarrassed if my answer fails.Only in such failures will lead me to fill the gap in my analysis.

Whenever is possible I try to post such Quiz or even comparatively easier one.I will be the happiest person if my initiation in this Forum is more informative and useful to all in attaining more exposure in practical experience..

Thanks and RegardsAdith On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,

My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme as childish and it is below their

dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair

knowledge and study and who are really interested to

improve their ability to gain practical experience will come

forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time

the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued

giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will

be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by

way of discussion with members. I wish that you should

initiate this with your abundant knowledge.

With best wishes,

K.S.V.Ramani

goes wrong. -

Dhanabalan R

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM

Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

Dear Bhaskarji

If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Date: Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM

Dear Dhanabalanji,

Such responses to those who have not participated in the Quiz, would prove to be a deterrant and aversion to further members from participating in the quiz.

Participation in the quiz is unot a measure or scale of measurement or yardstick to judge whether one knows KP or not.

There could be many reasons for one not participating, including lack of time, other pre-occupations, some bad memories associated with cases such as accidents, a feeling of imcompetency, suspicions of the quiz being fabricated to downsize certain astrologers , not wishing failures, embarassment at the prospects of not arriving at the clear answer, and so many other such reasons looming , from individual to individual. Which reason is linked to which astrologer, we are not anyone to judge.

You seem to be a knowledgable person. Shri Raoji is a elderly person and they must be allowed their eccentricities if any , dont you think ? After all he has proved himself over and over again on innumerable occasions that he is knowledgable in KP. He does not require certificates from passing in Quizzes. Or does he ?

Indian culture teaches us to respect Gnana(Knowledge) and Umra (Age) both which Shri Rao Sahab possesses.

Please take this positively.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear L.Y.Rao> If you understand the KP correctly, why cant you participate in the quiz?> Dhanabalan> > --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. . wrote:> > Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@.. .> Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> @gro ups.com, " Tin Win " tw853 Cc: " Punit Pandey " punitp Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > Dears TW & Punit,> I just cannot comprehend as to just what people like Dhanabalan et al,are trying to prove...> Krishnamurthi Padhdhati clearly says that KSK derived inspiration from Nadi Astrology... the name of the Nadi is also given by him...> But what is the hullabuloo about ? Does it matter as to from which Nadi KSK derived his Padhdhati...> Unless of course, the objective seems to be, to prove how knowledgeable one is...about the history of the development of K.P.(FULL STOP)...> What is more important,to my mind, is the useful application of K.P., to practical prognosis... and not wasting the groups' time over fruitless discussuions and semantics about who discovered what,when,how, borrowed this knowledge from where and whom ?...and for example,raising Newton's theory even ater the Quantum theory has now taken over...and in time to come many more theories are bound to be be discovered.. .> Improvements in the existing Padhdhati in order to enable it to deliver more accurate results should be the objective of all inquiring students of astrology.> I hope more and more students of astrology curb their desire for instant fame... or even notoriety just to draw attention towards themselves.. . .> I am sure that you both and Kanak Bosmia certainly believe likewise...> With kind regards,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > > > tw853 tw853 >> @gro ups.com> Tuesday, 10 February, 2009 10:38:16 AM> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi> > > > Dear Punit ji, Dhanabalan ji,> > 1. It seems Dhanabalan ji has switched from Brihat Jatak to Satya Jatak and Punit ji prefers Brihat Jatak. > > 2. Dr. Satya Prakash Choudhary has given two posibilities. First one is similarity to Satya Jatak and second one is as follows:> > Krishnamurthi himself doesn't tell where he got the idea of Ruling planets from. But other astrologers who interacted with him, suggest that he got the idea from his researches on prenatal epoch, that certain ruling planets of the prenatal epoch, become ruling planets at the birth time, and also dominate the individual's life.> > 3. This second one seems getting the idea of connection between the planets ruling at birth and at the moment of major life events from Brihat Jatak.> > 4. Such kind of connection idea is not found in Satya Jatak as mentioned by Punit ji, but some similar RPs are mentioned in sloka 6: > > 6. The fortunes of a native are to be studied with reference to:> (1) the ascendant lord; (2) the lord of the ascendant in the navamsa diagram (3)The lord of the birth star; and (4) the lords of the rasis occupied by the above three.> > 5. In sloka 7, it is said to choose the birth star, Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger.> > 7. Birth-star : Consider the strengths of the Moon and the ascendant. If the ascendant is Stronger than the Moon, the lord of the star in which the ascendant falls, is to be taken as the birth star. If, on the other hand, the Moon is stronger than the ascendant, the lord of the star in which it is posited is to be taken as the birth star......> > 6. The birth time to take is mentioned in sloka 5:> > 5. There are three different moments which can be taken as the tune of birth and for which the horoscope can be cast. These are(1) Adhana lagna i.e. the moment of conception. (2) Siro-darshma lagna i.e., the moment at which the head of the child is first sighted. (3) Bhupatana 1agnathe moment at which the child leaves the body of the mother and touches the earth. As it is difficult to determine the first two moments accurately, the third one should be taken for preparing the horoscope> > 7. In Satya Jatak there are similar RPs and the idea of taking Moon or Lagna, whichever is stronger (which Guru ji KSK had used at early stage) and in Brihat Jatak, idea of connection between but similar RPs. > > 8. Therefore in my opinion, it is possible that the RPs are the combined idea of both Brihat Jatak and Satya Jatak, whatever Dhanabalan ji may call. > > Thanks and regards,> > tw> @gro ups.com, " Punit Pandey " punitp@ wrote:> >> > Dear Dhanabalan ji,> > > > The quoted text seems a little misleading to me. What Satyacharya said> > in " Satya Jatak " that these planets should be used for determining the> > destiny (or may be general nativity by common interpretation) . In> > " Satya Jatak " , I don't find " determination of any moment " using these> > planets. " Satya Jatak " deesn't talk about rectification or horary> > astrology, as far as I know. > > > > The application of ruling planets came, I believe, from " Brihat Jatak " > > of Varahmihira where Varahamihira told that there is connection> > between the planets ruling the moment of question and planets ruling> > the moment of birth. It seems that Shri KSK improvised upon the ideas> > taken from these two texts. > > > > Also, from the Hindi edition of " Jatak Satyacharya " , following are the> > planets for judging destiny of a native -> > > > 1. Lord of Ascendant Sign> > 2. Lord of Ascendant Navamsa> > 3. Lord of Ascendant or Moon Nakshatra (whichever is powerful)> > 4. Lord of the signs where are all above planets are located> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R r.dhanabalan@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Punitji> > > Please go through the article " Ruling planets " by Dr.Satya Prakash> > Choudry. He stated that the RP concept is Naadi concept. I am> > reproducing the sentences, " The determinants of any moment according> > to the sage are:> > > * Birth lagna (ascendant lord) lord> > > * Moon or lagna star lord (whichever is stronger)> > > * Moon signlord> > > * Navamsa lagna lord> > > * Lord of rasi (in the rasi chart) occupied by the Navamsa lagna lord> > > > > > Mr.KSK has taken both starlord of moon and lagna. He has taken> > daylord instead of Navamsa lagna lord. It is what I told you already> > as japanese style.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > >> >> > > > Get perfect Email ID for your Resume. Get before others grab.>

February 11, 2009

Dear Ramani

I have tried this quiz3 according to KP but got struck. I request somebody to guide me and correct me to proceed.

For accident: For DBA, houses to be considered 8,12,(6), (4) as per TinWinJi

House

Planets in the sub of planets occupied

Planets in the star of planets occupied

Planets occupied

Planets in the sub of house lord

Planets in the star of house lord

House lord

8

Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu

Sat

Mar,Sat

Moon, Mars, Jup

Mer

12

Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup,

Sun, Ketu, Moon,

Sun, Mer, Ven, Ketu

Rahu

Jup

(6)

Ven

Jup,

Rahu

Moon, Mars, Jup

Mer

(4)

Venus

Strong significators for

House 8: Mer, Sat, Sun, Ketu

House 12: Rahu, Moon, Mars, Jup,

House 6: Venus

House 4: Venus

Planets close to the Cusp 6 within 3 degrees: Rahu

Planets close to the Cusp 12 within 3 degrees: Ketu, Sun

Saturn aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees

Sun is aspecting Rahu within 3 degrees

Sun and Ketu are in rapt conjunction

Badhaka lord:Mars. Saturn is in Mars star. Sun and Ketu are in Mars sub

Maraka lord: Saturn/Jupiter, Moon. Mars and Mercury are in Moon star. Mercury and Saturn are in Saturn sub. Rahu is in Jupiter star

Mer,Sat,Sun,Ketu,Rahu,Moon,Mar,Jup,Ven(All the nine planets have come as significators)

In the normal practice,

Rahu represents mercury. So I eliminated Mercury

Ketu represents Jupiter. So I eliminated Jupiter

Rahu represents Saturn. So I eliminated Saturn

Ketu represents Sun. So I should have eliminated Sun also. But it is told that the accident happened in Sun dasa. Here I got struck.

Significators are: Ketu,Rahu,Moon,Mars,Venus

Ruling planets on 9-2-2009 at 17.47.35 PM in Vennandur, near Salem

Day lord :Moon

Rasi lord :Moon

Rasi star :Mercury

Lagna lord :Moon

Lagna star :Mercury

Moon aspects sun(opposition)

Sun,Moon,Mercury are in RP. But Mercury and Sun are not in significator list. So I eliminated Mercury and Sun. Remaining common planet is Moon only.

To pinpoint the event, I need 3 significators. So I have included lagna sublord and moon sublord in the RP list.

Lagna sublord :Venus

Moon Sublord :Rahu

Common planets are :Moon,Venus and Rahu

Dasa period is combination of Moon,Venus and Rahu.

Dhanabalan--- On Wed, 2/11/09, Ramani <kadavasalramani wrote:

Ramani <kadavasalramaniRe: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi Date: Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:07 AM

Dear Sri Dhanabalanji,

My desie is also same as yours. Most seniors, who are considered as authentic and authoritative in the field may feel the quiz programme as childish and it is below their

dignity to partake.. Professional astrologers may feel that their reputation will affect, if the answer given by them.goes wrong. Majority of beginners may feel shy to participate due to their ignorance or for study and understanding of astrology. In the absence of such majority members, only few members who have fair

knowledge and study and who are really interested to

improve their ability to gain practical experience will come

forward to answer the quiz. Such numbers may be a dozen are slightly more. My suggestion is the quiz master should put about 6 simple questions daily and gradually increasing the standard. He may give the answers to the quiz next day. This w ill help a lot for beginners and interested persons to gain experience. In the mean time

the quiz like 1 to 3 so far conducted may be continued

giving 1 week time for solution. By this way, the debate will

be lively and at the same time acquire more knowlege by

way of discussion with members. I wish that you should

initiate this with your abundant knowledge.

With best wishes,

K.S.V.Ramani

goes wrong. -

Dhanabalan R

@gro ups.com

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:44 AM

Re: Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi

Dear Bhaskarji

If experienced astrologers are participating and sharing in the quiz, it would be more lively and useful to other members. Because I read so many books, books confused me. I hope this quiz program will guide me.

Dhanabalan --- On Tue, 2/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> wrote:

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> Re: KP Ruling planets concept from Naadi@gro ups.comTuesday, February 10, 2009, 5:12 PM