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Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

 

At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from Chennai.

Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy) Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not acting as an enemy.

In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a negative house.

 

According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into publication.

 

Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles existing.

 

1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses, connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlockwise missing cusps in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it encourage/discourage).

 

Regards,

 

O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A. P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

www.saibhavishyavani.com ovnmurthy

 

 

 

 

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Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan r.dhanabalan

Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

Dear Murthyji//But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.//Any reference in books or it is your own experience.Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy > wrote:OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PMDear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its vyayasthanam. But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity. Regards O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A. P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427www.saibhavishyavan i.com ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) Dear PunitjiIf lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PMRegarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

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Dear Murthyji

Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28 degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign, the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened. O.k.

In tradition,

“According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.

a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign respectively.

b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).

So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify both the conditions.”

 

Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy wrote:

OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

 

At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from Chennai.

Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz the properties of

bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy) Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not acting as an enemy.

In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a negative house.

 

According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into publication.

 

Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following

principles existing.

 

1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses, connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it encourage/discourag e).

 

Regards,

 

O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A. P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

www.saibhavishyavan i.com ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

 

 

 

 

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Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

Dear Murthyji//But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.//Any reference in books or it is your own experience.Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comFriday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PMDear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its vyayasthanam. But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn

in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity. Regards O.V.N.MURTHY, M..Com.FCS. ,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A. P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427www.saibhavishyavan i.com ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) Dear PunitjiIf lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PMRegarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana

are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

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Dear Murthy ji, Appreciate sharing your research. It will be even more useful for the world, if it will be supported by some practical examples. Supportive examples will make your research easy to understand.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:41 PM, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

 

At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from Chennai.

Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy) Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not acting as an enemy.

In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a negative house.

 

According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into publication.

 

Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles existing.

 

1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses, connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlockwise missing cusps in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it encourage/discourage).

 

Regards,

 

O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A. P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

www.saibhavishyavani.com ovnmurthy

 

 

 

 

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Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan r.dhanabalan

Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

Dear Murthyji//But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.//Any reference in books or it is your own experience.Dhanabalan--- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy wrote:OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PMDear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its vyayasthanam. But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity. Regards O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,COMPANY SECRETARY,NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,HYDERABAD-A. P.PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427www.saibhavishyavan i.com ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) Dear PunitjiIf lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in the first sign only.Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PMRegarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based system like KP. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

 

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Respected sir

I agree with you condition no 2 should also be

considered .

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, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Murthyji

> Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal

interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28

degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd

sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka

effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp

falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,

the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to

first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened. O.k.

> In tradition,

> " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a

planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.

> a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

respectively.

> b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house

occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).

> So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts

may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify

both the conditions. "

>

> Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy wrote:

>

> OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy

> Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

>

> Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM

>

Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

>

> At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from

1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over

to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from

Chennai.

> Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied

KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN

majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and

used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the

feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to

forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as

a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the

other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity

since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp

shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the

origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other

Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz

the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is

> bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)

Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike

Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka

(more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not

acting as an enemy.

> In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its

12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a

negative house.

>

> According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP

who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have

come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow

regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into publication.

>

> Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences

which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp

charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand

written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where

chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after

windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy

for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing

on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different

footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to

enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles

existing.

>

> 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps

in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

> 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it

encourage/discourag e).

>

> Regards,

>

> O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> COMPANY SECRETARY,

> NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> HYDERABAD-A. P.

> PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

>

> www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>

>

>

>

>

> 3.1.

>

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

> Dear Murthyji

> //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may

also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord

gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo

Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the

bhadhaka intensity.//

> Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT)

com> wrote:

>

> OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that cusp?

> @gro ups.com

> Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM

>

> Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

>

> As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the

2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while

it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign

lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition

for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd

Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its

vyayasthanam.

>

> But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts

becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps

would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal

interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such

case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th

cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found

there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.

>

> Regards

>

>

> O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> COMPANY SECRETARY,

> NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> HYDERABAD-A. P.

> PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> Dear Punitji

> If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in

the first sign only.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

> @gro ups.com

> Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

>

> Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because

maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based

system like KP.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

>

> Punit Pandey

>

>

>

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Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

 

1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one

exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained

and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used

in Vedic.

 

2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)

These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current

observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

 

3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of

Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be

intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can

be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and

Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement

of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not

found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same

is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system

is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,

only Placidus.

 

4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D

significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of

Badhaka to be considered.

 

5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to

the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for

foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise

movable rising borns are almost to be finished.

 

6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7

Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates

and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.

Early death is another matter of short life.

 

7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be

wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.

 

Thanks and regards,

 

tw

 

 

, " dubeyamitkumar "

<dubeyamitkumar wrote:

>

>

>

> Respected sir

> I agree with you condition no 2 should also be

> considered .

> With Regards

> AMIT

>

> , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Murthyji

> > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal

> interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

> having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28

> degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd

> sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka

> effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp

> falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,

> the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to

> first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.

O.k.

> > In tradition,

> > " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a

> planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.

> > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

> respectively.

> > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house

> occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).

> > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts

> may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify

> both the conditions. "

> >

> > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@> wrote:

> >

> > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

> > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that

cusp?

> >

> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

> >

> > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from

> 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over

> to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from

> Chennai.

> > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied

> KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN

> majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and

> used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the

> feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to

> forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as

> a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

> Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the

> other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity

> since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp

> shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the

> origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other

> Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz

> the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is

> > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)

> Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike

> Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka

> (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not

> acting as an enemy.

> > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its

> 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a

> negative house.

> >

> > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP

> who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have

> come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

> seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow

> regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into

publication.

> >

> > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences

> which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp

> charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand

> written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

> scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where

> chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after

> windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy

> for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing

> on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

> consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

> concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different

> footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

> readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to

> enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles

> existing.

> >

> > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

> connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps

> in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

> > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it

> encourage/discourag e).

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> >

> > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 3.1.

> >

> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

> > Dear Murthyji

> > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may

> also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord

> gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo

> Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the

> bhadhaka intensity.//

> > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT)

> com> wrote:

> >

> > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

> that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM

> >

> > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

> >

> > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the

> 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while

> it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign

> lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition

> for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd

> Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its

> vyayasthanam.

> >

> > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts

> becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps

> would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal

> interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such

> case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th

> cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found

> there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> > Dear Punitji

> > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in

> the first sign only.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> of that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

> >

> > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because

> maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based

> system like KP.

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> >

> > Punit Pandey

> >

> >

> >

> > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post

> >

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Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.

Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation in KP.

It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also oneexception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explainedand Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is usedin Vedic.2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)These rules are found approved, for in stance in my currentobservation of 40 charts regarding death of father.3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application ofPlacidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may beintercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which canbe found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar andMarthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacementof cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is notfound to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The sameis in

Western astrology and the only discussion is which house systemis better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,only Placidus.4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade Dsignificator and there are more strong grade A to C significators ofBadhaka to be considered.5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according tothe signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 forforeign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwisemovable rising borns are almost to be finished.6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play matesand then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.Early death is another matter of short life.7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to bewholly bad becomes less

acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"<dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> considered .> With Regards> AMIT> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Murthyji> > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> sign and 8th sign

are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.O.k.> > In tradition,> > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> respectively.> > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> both the conditions.">

> > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@> wrote:> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of thatcusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> Chennai. > > Since 1980 I had clients and

many practical charts wherein I applied> KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> the

properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is> > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> acting as an enemy. > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> negative house.> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> regularly gives fairly good results might not have

come intopublication. > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> readings are gets

altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> existing.> > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> encourage/discourag e).> > > > Regards,> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > >

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > Dear Murthyji> > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> bhadhaka intensity.//> > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > com> wrote:> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> that cusp?> > To:

@gro ups.com> > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> vyayasthanam. > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such>

case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > Regards> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > Dear Punitji> > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> the first sign only.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> system like KP. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> >>

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Dear Mr DhanbalanMr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg. 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, would have given due weightage to research being carried out by his studentsRegardsSujata--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalanRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

 

Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.

Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation in KP.

It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also oneexception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explainedand Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is usedin Vedic.2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)These rules are found approved, for in stance in my currentobservation of 40 charts regarding death of father.3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application ofPlacidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may beintercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which canbe found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar andMarthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacementof cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is notfound to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The sameis in

Western astrology and the only discussion is which house systemis better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,only Placidus.4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade Dsignificator and there are more strong grade A to C significators ofBadhaka to be considered.5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according tothe signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 forforeign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwisemovable rising borns are almost to be finished.6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play matesand then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.Early death is another matter of short life.7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to bewholly bad becomes less

acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"<dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> considered .> With Regards> AMIT> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Murthyji> > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> sign and

8th sign

are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.O.k.> > In tradition,> > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> respectively.> > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> both the conditions.">

> > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@> wrote:> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of thatcusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> Chennai. > > Since 1980 I had clients

and

many practical charts wherein I applied> KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> the

properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is> > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> acting as an enemy. > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> negative house.> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> regularly gives fairly good results might not have

come intopublication. > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> readings are gets

altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> existing.> > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> encourage/discourag e).> > > > Regards,> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > >

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > Dear Murthyji> > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> bhadhaka intensity.//> > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > com> wrote:> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> that cusp?> > To:

@gro ups.com> > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> vyayasthanam. > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such>

case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > Regards> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > Dear Punitji> > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> the first sign only.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> system like KP. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> >>

 

 

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If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in 8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You can send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him. He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspal interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying the charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitable for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system. Mr.Punitji requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.

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sujata das <sujatadash1Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mr DhanbalanMr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg. 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, would have given due weightage to research being carried out by his studentsRegardsSujata--- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.

Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation in KP.

It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

Dhanabalan--- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also oneexception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explainedand Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is usedin Vedic.2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)These rules are found approved, for in stance in my currentobservation of 40 charts regarding death of father.3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application ofPlacidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may beintercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which canbe found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar andMarthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacementof cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is notfound to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The sameis in

Western astrology and the only discussion is which house systemis better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,only Placidus.4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade Dsignificator and there are more strong grade A to C significators ofBadhaka to be considered.5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according tothe signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 forforeign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwisemovable rising borns are almost to be finished.6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play matesand then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.Early death is another matter of short life.7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to bewholly bad becomes less

acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.Thanks and regards,tw @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"<dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:>> > > Respected sir> I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> considered .> With Regards> AMIT> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Murthyji> > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> sign and 8th sign

are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.O.k.> > In tradition,> > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> respectively.> > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> both the conditions.">

> > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@> wrote:> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of thatcusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> Chennai. > > Since 1980 I had clients and

many practical charts wherein I applied> KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> the

properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is> > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> acting as an enemy. > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> negative house.> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> regularly gives fairly good results might not have

come intopublication. > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> readings are gets

altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> existing.> > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> encourage/discourag e).> > > > Regards,> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > >

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > Dear Murthyji> > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> bhadhaka intensity.//> > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > com> wrote:> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> that cusp?> > To:

@gro ups.com> > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> vyayasthanam. > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such>

case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > Regards> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > Dear Punitji> > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> the first sign only.> > Dhanabalan> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> >

> > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> of that cusp?> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> system like KP. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> >>

 

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Dear Smt. Sujatadas IAS., & Sri Dhanpalan ji

 

I have gone thru the emails. as indicated by Sri Dhanpalan I coming out with practicle charts as suggested by Sri Punit ji. I have also gone thru the advice given by Sri Tinwin ji, and I have gone thru the messages he has quoted about Sri LY Rao and others which is connected to Cuspal Interceptions/ Bhadhaka / Maraka principles. Reg. the Research done by us on Bhadhaka is under ageis of KPAF, Hyderabad wherein I have to take permission from the President Sri Rajendra Nimje, IAS., who is the founder of this KPA Forum and conducting International Summits and gathering all the KP stalwarts in the Hyderabad city and on the internet for conducting Research on the grey areas which are kept open as desired by reverred Guruji Sri KSK.

 

On going thru cuspal interception in our country I found 1 cuspal interception would lead to opposite house also hence two rasis would get blank without any cuspal point and two Rasis would get two cusps this is centprecent possible in lesser latitudes.

 

As indicated by Sri Tinwin ji I have seen the charts of Sri Tony Blair, Mrs. Catharain Zeta Jones, wherein it is Edinburgh/Wales hence higher latitudes has lead to two cuspal interceptions (unlike in Indian latitudes it is one cuspal interception) in such cases each will one opposite Rasi would get cuspal interception thereby 4 Rasis would not get cusps. In such an event only 8 Rasis would get all 12 cusps. 4 Rasilords would get only signification as an Occupant and its starlord's significance. NOthing is so abnormally missing as per KP system and Placidus semi arc division in these cases. That means in Northern side European /Canada countries two cuspal interceptions = 4 Rasilords gets 8 cusps and 4 Rasilord gets single cusps and 4 Rasi will not get any cusps (they are like Rahu and Kethu who are not owning any houses in zodiac will also behave like its starlord but not rasilord as in case of nodes)/.

 

This is the only chamatkar in KP System unlike other models in Astrology. Becaz of this reason KP attracted many astrologers in this area including clients and westrens also claiming for its accuracy. Initially I wonder when I read the mail of Sri Tinwin ji that 4 interception in higher latitudes (I thought it is 4 cuspal points in one Rasi unlike in Indian births only two cuspal points in one Rasi). I thought all 4 cusps would be in one Rasi thank god it is not so only 2 cusps in Rasi but 4 such interceptions is possible. I have yet to test the mail of Sri Kanannan whose relative was born in Alaska Canada that 3 cusps are in one Rasi i.e. then two Rasis would get 6 cusps and balance 6 Rasis would get only 6 cusps. This type of cuspal interception would eliminate some planets to get cuspal lordship and 4 Rasi planets would get 8 cuspal portfolios that is reason why Europeans were Lucky that limited Planets out of 9 would get majority portfolios.

 

Coming to Madam's question for Asc. Scorpio which is a watery n fixed sign mars lord, 9th cusp (not rasi) is Bhadhaka as per KP or our testing new idea. (this is not the new ideas of us but one Late Sri Sivala Subramanyam a KP Astrologer from Hyderabad already written KP Books in telugu with his reasearch items as indicated in the previous mails of telugu KP Books by Sri KP Naidu from Vizag). 9th cusp in normal distribution falls in Cancer Moon is the lord if he is waxing it is good as per vedic as konalord, if it is wanning then not good. which is moveable sign and watery. As per the conditions Fixed sign watery will have a bhadhaka 9th a moveable watery sign. But if cuspal interception occurs the 9th house clockwise shifts to Leo as 9th lord (just like for Sagittarius Sun 9th lord is highly favourable both for education, reputation and longevity) which is fixed n fiery sign hence the properties have thoroughly changed and these natives would escape from the Bhadhaka effect of the 9th lord Leo sun. the Moon would not have 9th lordships hence he is also free from blemish. Now if Leo also gets 10th cusp then Sun is lord of 9n10 (both kona n kendra vedic) like Saturn for Taurus a yogakara of both good houses as bhadhaka lord. Here Leo gets 10th n 9th cusps (9th will not spoil as bhadhaka to 10th cusp) 9th acts as 12th 10th hence in Job area not full benefits or promotions or patting from higher ups is indicated. as 10th cusp gets its negative 12th i..e 9th hence for everything it is a herculean task to them in their profession.

 

Thanks to Sri Dhanpalan ji who made me to come up before u with all my ideas on this subject matter. I am also studying the chart of Sri Dhanapalan for getting answer of his Sagi Lagna with cuspal interception of 12 th clockwise coming into lagna and consequently 6th in 7th cusp Gemini. I request Sri Sujati ji to give his dob 5.5.1955. tob....... pob. new delhi.to study the bhadhaka lord and cuspal interception in a better way.

 

Pranams to all the Seniors in the group.

 

 

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Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:54 am (PST)

Dear Sujata jiIf the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in 8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You can send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him. He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspal interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying the charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitable for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:sujata das <sujatadash1 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PMDear Mr DhanbalanMr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg. 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, would have given due weightage to research being carried out by his studentsRegardsSujata

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,

Since KP has stood on Placidus house system, the signification of a planet,

as cuspal sub lord or Dasa lord, by house occupation and lordship at all levels

of planet, star and sub, is according to the Placidian cusp positions which may

fall in each Rasi one by one or may not fall in some Rasis but more than one cusp falling

in a Rasi. There is no place for Rasi-based counting of Bhava. The Placidian

Bhavas, for instance 2,7,11 are the same for marriage or Badhaka, Maraka and

there is only one version of the KP SW print out for any matter under study.

This is mathematics of Italian monk, mathematician Placidus de Titus..

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, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation in KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 tw853 wrote:> > tw853 tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >>

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Dear Sujata ji and Friends,

We appreciate capable KP astrologer Murthy ji's research work on life and

death issue of Badhaka, which needs to study thoroughly taking time. That is

why I've requested his paper and got Part 1 & 2 for Ar & Ta Ascs in

Astrovision Jan & Feb 2009 thanks to editor Viswanath ji. 10 more parts are

supposed to come. Anyway I hope his whole paper may include in the DVDs of the International Summit, which I've already

ordered.

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, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in 8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You can send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him. He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspal interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying the charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitable for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das sujatadash1 wrote:> > sujata das sujatadash1 Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg. 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, would have given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation in KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra 11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Dear Mr Murthy

Thankyou. I am not much of an astrologer. With my half baked knowledge, I keep

trying to understand as to why in my 30 yrs of service in IAS, I have found

satisfaction for 5/6 yrs only.

My dob is 5-5-55, pob delhi, Lat 28-38, long 77-13. tob as corrected by DR Kar

and K Ganpathy to 9-37pm from 9-20 pm. They tallied my events of life But 2

events seem questionable. 2nd marriage in ju ve sat as ven in mer. in 6th l/o 8

10.Sat is signifying 6 12 11 3 8 2 4. The other event is birh of daughter on

13-1-83 in ju su mar.Mar is D grade significator of 5 but A grade significator

of 6 12(C grade)

I suppose you could examine it

With Regards

Sujata Das

 

--- On Fri, 20/2/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy wrote:

OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy

Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

 

Friday, 20 February, 2009, 11:36 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Smt. Sujatadas IAS., & Sri

Dhanpalan ji

 

I have gone thru the

emails. as indicated by Sri Dhanpalan I coming out with practicle charts as

suggested by Sri Punit ji. I have also gone thru the advice given by Sri Tinwin

ji, and I have gone thru the messages he has quoted about Sri LY Rao and

others  which is connected to Cuspal Interceptions/ Bhadhaka / Maraka

principles. Reg. the Research done by us on Bhadhaka is under ageis

of KPAF, Hyderabad wherein I have to take permission from the President Sri

Rajendra Nimje, IAS., who is the founder of this KPA Forum and conducting

International Summits and gathering all the KP stalwarts in the Hyderabad

city and  on the internet for conducting Research on the grey areas

which are kept open as desired by reverred Guruji Sri KSK.

 

On going thru cuspal

interception in our country I found 1 cuspal interception would lead to opposite

house also hence two rasis would get blank without any cuspal point and two

Rasis would get two cusps this is centprecent possible in lesser

latitudes.

 

As indicated by Sri

Tinwin ji I have seen the charts of Sri Tony Blair, Mrs. Catharain Zeta Jones,

wherein it is Edinburgh/Wales hence higher latitudes has lead to two cuspal

interceptions (unlike in Indian latitudes it is one cuspal interception) in such

cases each will one opposite Rasi would get cuspal interception thereby 4 Rasis

would not get cusps. In such an event only 8 Rasis would get all 12 cusps. 4

Rasilords would get only signification as an Occupant and its starlord's

significance.  NOthing is so abnormally missing as per KP system and

Placidus semi arc division in these cases.  That means in Northern side

European /Canada countries two cuspal interceptions = 4 Rasilords gets 8

cusps and 4 Rasilord gets single cusps and 4 Rasi will not get any cusps (they

are like Rahu and Kethu who are not owning any houses in zodiac will also behave

like its starlord but not rasilord as in case of nodes)/.

 

 

This is the only

chamatkar in KP System unlike other models in Astrology.  Becaz of this

reason KP attracted many astrologers in this area including clients and westrens

also claiming for its accuracy. Initially I wonder when I read the mail of Sri

Tinwin ji that 4 interception in higher latitudes (I thought it is 4 cuspal

points in one Rasi unlike in Indian births only two cuspal points in one Rasi).

I thought all 4 cusps would be in one Rasi thank god it is not so only 2 cusps

in Rasi but 4 such interceptions is possible.  I have yet to test the

mail of Sri Kanannan whose relative was born in Alaska Canada that 3 cusps are

in one Rasi i.e. then two Rasis would get 6 cusps and balance 6 Rasis would get

only 6 cusps. This type of cuspal interception would eliminate some planets to

get cuspal lordship and 4 Rasi planets would get 8 cuspal portfolios that is

reason why Europeans were Lucky that limited Planets out of 9 would get majority

portfolios.

 

Coming to Madam's

question for Asc. Scorpio which is a watery n fixed sign mars lord, 9th cusp

(not rasi) is Bhadhaka as per KP or our testing new idea. (this is not the new

ideas of us but one Late Sri Sivala Subramanyam a KP Astrologer from Hyderabad

already written KP Books in telugu with his reasearch items as indicated in the

previous mails of telugu KP Books by Sri KP Naidu from Vizag). 9th cusp in

normal distribution falls in Cancer Moon is the lord if he is waxing it is good

as per vedic as konalord, if it is wanning then not good. which is moveable sign

and watery.  As per the conditions Fixed sign watery will have a bhadhaka

9th a moveable watery sign. But if cuspal interception occurs the 9th house

clockwise shifts to Leo as 9th lord (just like for Sagittarius Sun 9th lord is

highly favourable both for education, reputation and longevity) which is fixed n

fiery sign hence the properties have thoroughly changed and these natives would

escape from the Bhadhaka effect of the 9th lord Leo sun. the Moon would not have

9th lordships hence he is also free from blemish. Now if Leo also gets 10th cusp

then Sun is lord of 9n10 (both kona n kendra vedic) like Saturn for Taurus a

yogakara of both good houses as bhadhaka lord.  Here Leo gets 10th n

9th cusps (9th will not spoil as bhadhaka to 10th cusp) 9th acts as 12th 10th

hence in Job area not full benefits or promotions or patting from higher ups is

indicated. as 10th cusp gets its negative 12th i..e 9th hence for

everything it is a herculean task to them in their profession.

 

Thanks to Sri Dhanpalan

ji who made me to come up before u with all my ideas on this subject

matter. I am also studying the chart of Sri Dhanapalan for getting answer of his

Sagi Lagna with cuspal interception of 12 th clockwise coming into lagna and

consequently 6th in 7th cusp Gemini. I request Sri Sujati ji to give his dob

5.5.1955. tob....... pob. new delhi.to study the bhadhaka lord and cuspal

interception in a better way.

 

Pranams to all the

Seniors in the group.

 

 

Regards,

 

O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

COMPANY SECRETARY,

NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

HYDERABAD-A. P.

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NO.9441778427

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ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

 

 

Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@   r.dhanabalan

Thu Feb 19, 2009

9:54 am (PST)

Dear Sujata

ji

If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house

matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in 8th sign

then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my understanding, the

badhaka effect will increase in your case. You can send your birth details to

Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him. He will analyse your chart and give

opinion. I accept that the cuspal interception needs research. Many of the

westerners are using equal bhava method for their prediction. Even the

Astrodatabank AA rated charts are analysed with equal house system.

Westerners are studying the charts with all types of house system and choose the

one suitable for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system..

Mr.Punitji requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope

that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.

Dhanabalan 

 

---

On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

wrote:

 

sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>

Re:

Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.com

Date:

Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM

 

Dear Mr Dhanbalan

Mr OVN Murthy

has done some research on 100charts of  badhaka.(Msg. 23298) He is of the

opinion that if Leo instead of cancer  becomes the 9th cusp for scorpio,

then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to some extent as mars and sun are

friends. KSKji, if alive today, would have given due weightage to research being

carried out by his

students

Regards

Sujata

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,

 

1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showing

that any other house system is working better for KP rules than

Placidus, we are ready to join your research work.

 

2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysed

with equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.

Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:

http://www.astrodatabank.com/AstrologyFAQ.htm#EqualHouse

 

3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence for

the validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for each

event, they found that without exception a progressed major or minor

aspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the ruler

of certain houses which were usually (but not always) in agreement

with tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956)

 

3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy.

Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,

the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.

Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore the

easiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal House

system:

a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; all

other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is not

the cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.

b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; all

other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is not

the cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.

c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,

beginning at 0 degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven are

not House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0

degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actually

be ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).

 

4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidus

house system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and it

is still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.

 

Regards,

 

tw

 

 

, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

>

> Dear Sujata ji

> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house

matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in

8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my

understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You can

send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.

He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspal

interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated

charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying

the charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitable

for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji

requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope

that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.

> Dhanabalan 

>

> --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1 wrote:

>

> sujata das <sujatadash1

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

>

> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM

>

>

>

>

Dear Mr Dhanbalan

> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of  badhaka.(Msg.

23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer  becomes the

9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to

some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, would

have given due weightage to research being carried out by his students

> Regards

> Sujata

>

> --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

>

> Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

>

>

>

Dear TinWin ji

> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars

dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I

have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.

> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP

Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation

in KP.

> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

> Dhanabalan

>

> --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

>

> tw853 <tw853 >

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that cusp?

> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

>

>

>

>

> Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

>

> 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one

> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained

> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used

> in Vedic.

>

> 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)

> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current

> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

>

> 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of

> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be

> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can

> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and

> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement

> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not

> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same

> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system

> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,

> only Placidus.

>

> 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D

> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of

> Badhaka to be considered.

>

> 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to

> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for

> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise

> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.

>

> 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7

> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates

> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.

> Early death is another matter of short life.

>

> 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be

> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.

>

> Thanks and regards,

>

> tw

>

> @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar "

> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected sir

> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be

> > considered .

> > With Regards

> > AMIT

> >

> > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Murthyji

> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal

> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28

> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd

> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka

> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp

> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,

> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to

> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.

> O.k.

> > > In tradition,

> > > " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a

> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.

> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

> > respectively.

> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house

> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).

> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts

> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify

> > both the conditions. "

> > >

> > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that

> cusp?

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

> > >

> > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from

> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over

> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from

> > Chennai.

> > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied

> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN

> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and

> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the

> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to

> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as

> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the

> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity

> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp

> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the

> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other

> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz

> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra

11thSun is

> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)

> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike

> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka

> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not

> > acting as an enemy.

> > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its

> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a

> > negative house.

> > >

> > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP

> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have

> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow

> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into

> publication.

> > >

> > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences

> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp

> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand

> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where

> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after

> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy

> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing

> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different

> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to

> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles

> > existing.

> > >

> > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps

> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it

> > encourage/discourag e).

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

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> > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 3.1.

> > >

> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

> > > Dear Murthyji

> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may

> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord

> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo

> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the

> > bhadhaka intensity.//

> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > com> wrote:

> > >

> > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

> > that cusp?

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

> > >

> > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the

> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while

> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign

> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition

> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd

> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its

> > vyayasthanam.

> > >

> > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts

> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps

> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal

> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such

> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th

> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found

> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> > > Dear Punitji

> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in

> > the first sign only.

> > > Dhanabalan

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > of that cusp?

> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

> > >

> > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because

> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based

> > system like KP.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK has chosen the placidus system because majority of the people were using that system at that time in west. No doubt, even today majority of the people are using the placidus system in the west. It is just like a candidate winning in general election. If five candidates participated in an election, even a person getting 30% of the total votes may be declared as winner. Other 70% of the votes are shared by the other 4 candidates. Actually the winning candidate got the confidence of 30% of population. The same is applicable to placidus system also. About 40% of the western astrologers are using placidus system. Next rank goes to Koch system and so on. The technical reliability of placidus system is only 40%. If the placidus is 100% accurate then there is no need to switch over to other system by the westerners.

I do not know which rules are KP and which are not KP. When there is a confusion in KP system, question of my proving with KP rule does not arise. The responsibility lies with the KP books publishers. They should prove that the rules in the KP Readers are correct. But the publishers themselves are in confusion which are KP rules.

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro

ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear

Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to

adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older

age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own

chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana

from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I

started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since

a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> >

> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows

introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of

Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in

the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception

the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a

dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey

<punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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Dear Sri Tinwinji and Sri Dhanpalan ji,

 

Becaz some members in the group who are more active in responding

immediately for many of the doubts in KP unlike other seniors who

might be busy in their day to day affairs and may not respond for all

the subject matters figured in this forum though they find some thing

to respond but becaz of their time they could not.

 

In KP the Placidius house division has given a wide area for kp

predictions thru different concepts, Rasi lord, StarLord Sublord upto

one stage now with the computer n sw advancement even to subsubs also.

This changes very dynamically in placidius where cuspal points are

not distributed equally (where generalisation would figure and u

cannot differentiate in many births one example is twin births)

Placidus gives normal distribution getting all rasis one cusp and

some times for our indian latitudes also cuspal interception would

take place wherein the predictions would differ. In this case the

best example is Sri Dhanpalan's chart wherein his Asc. Sagi is also

having 12 the cusp clubbed in sagi like wise opposite Gemini also

gets 6n7 mercury.

His Asc. sublord Rahu has given him vigorous pursuing on many matters

of interest and knowledge. this is a small example of one chart. I

will be presenting to this forum in future some practical cases where

placidius house division has given real clues unlike equal house

system of Vedic where u cannnot differentiate all sublord of triogons

may be one and the same then there will be many lucky charts.

 

Pranams to all seniors

 

OVN MURTHY 94417 78427

 

 

 

 

 

, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:

>

> Dear Dhanabalan ji,

>

> 1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showing

> that any other house system is working better for KP rules than

> Placidus, we are ready to join your research work.

>

> 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being

analysed

> with equal house system is that they are posted in this house

system.

> Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:

> http://www.astrodatabank.com/AstrologyFAQ.htm#EqualHouse

>

> 3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence

for

> the validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for each

> event, they found that without exception a progressed major or minor

> aspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the

ruler

> of certain houses which were usually (but not always) in agreement

> with tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956)

>

> 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy.

> Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter,

Hone,

> the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of

Astrology.

> Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore

the

> easiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal

House

> system:

> a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; all

> other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is not

> the cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.

> b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; all

> other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is not

> the cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.

> c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,

> beginning at 0 degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven are

> not House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0

> degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actually

> be ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).

>

> 4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidus

> house system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and

it

> is still leading even though the Koch house system has become

popular.

>

> Regards,

>

> tw

>

>

> , Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sujata ji

> > If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house

> matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls

in

> 8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my

> understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You

can

> send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from

him.

> He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the

cuspal

> interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

> bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated

> charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying

> the charts with all types of house system and choose the one

suitable

> for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system..

Mr.Punitji

> requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope

> that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.

> > Dhanabalan 

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@> wrote:

> >

> > sujata das <sujatadash1@>

> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> of that cusp?

> >

> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Mr Dhanbalan

> > Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of  badhaka.

(Msg.

> 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer  becomes

the

> 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to

> some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today,

would

> have given due weightage to research being carried out by his

students

> > Regards

> > Sujata

> >

> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> of that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear TinWin ji

> > Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa,

Mars

> dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus

system. I

> have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.

> > Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KP

> Readers. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation

> in KP.

> > It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

> > Dhanabalan

> >

> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

> >

> > tw853 <tw853 >

> > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

> that cusp?

> > @gro ups.com

> > Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,

> >

> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one

> > exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are

explained

> > and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is

used

> > in Vedic.

> >

> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana.

(Msg#8964)

> > These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current

> > observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

> >

> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of

> > Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be

> > intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which

can

> > be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar

and

> > Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no

misplacement

> > of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is

not

> > found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The

same

> > is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house

system

> > is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,

> > only Placidus.

> >

> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D

> > significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators

of

> > Badhaka to be considered.

> >

> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected

according to

> > the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for

> > foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka,

otherwise

> > movable rising borns are almost to be finished.

> >

> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7

> > Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play

mates

> > and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older

age.

> > Early death is another matter of short life.

> >

> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to

be

> > wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western

astrology.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar "

> > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected sir

> > > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be

> > > considered .

> > > With Regards

> > > AMIT

> > >

> > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@

>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Murthyji

> > > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the

cuspal

> > > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the

charts

> > > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna

28

> > > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first

sign. 2nd

> > > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the

badhaka

> > > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic

cusp

> > > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th

sign,

> > > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th

cusp to

> > > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is

weakened.

> > O.k.

> > > > In tradition,

> > > > " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order

for a

> > > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.

> > > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

> > > respectively.

> > > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the

house

> > > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).

> > > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many

charts

> > > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will

qualify

> > > both the conditions. "

> > > >

> > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>

> > > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that

> > cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

> > > >

> > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning

Vedic from

> > > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I

switched over

> > > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines

from

> > > Chennai.

> > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I

applied

> > > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN

> > > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed

back and

> > > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible

cases the

> > > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to

> > > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the

subject as

> > > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

> > > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features

of the

> > > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining

longevity

> > > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka

lord cusp

> > > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception,

the

> > > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and

the other

> > > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is

diluted becaz

> > > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra

> 11thSun is

> > > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo

(earthy)

> > > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus.

unlike

> > > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true

bhadhaka

> > > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he

is not

> > > acting as an enemy.

> > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets

its

> > > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a

> > > negative house.

> > > >

> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many

stalwarts of KP

> > > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might

have

> > > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

> > > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they

follow

> > > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into

> > publication.

> > > >

> > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the

experiences

> > > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical

kp

> > > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is

hand

> > > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then

using

> > > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV,

where

> > > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after

> > > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save

soft copy

> > > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely

basing

> > > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

> > > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

> > > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on

different

> > > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

> > > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this

Forum to

> > > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following

principles

> > > existing.

> > > >

> > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

> > > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> > > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing

cusps

> > > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.

> > > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does

it

> > > encourage/discourag e).

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3.1.

> > > >

> > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@

r.dhanabalan

> > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST)

> > > > Dear Murthyji

> > > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th

cusp may

> > > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka

lord

> > > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in

Leo

> > > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution

of the

> > > bhadhaka intensity.//

> > > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail)

<ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT)

> > > com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator of

> > > that cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

> > > >

> > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception

the

> > > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house

(while

> > > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp

sign

> > > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal

condition

> > > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd

> > > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition

with its

> > > vyayasthanam.

> > > >

> > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of

charts

> > > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two

cusps

> > > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal

> > > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi,

in such

> > > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its

7th

> > > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we

found

> > > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,

> > > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427

> > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@

r.dhanabalan

> > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> > > > Dear Punitji

> > > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp

falls in

> > > the first sign only.

> > > > Dhanabalan

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a

significator

> > > of that cusp?

> > > > @gro ups.com

> > > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM

> > > >

> > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because

> > > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the

house based

> > > system like KP.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web

post

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,Your reasoning doesn't seem correct to me. Selection process of house division is clearly visible if we study of the progression of KP System through KP readers and through A & A. Several case studies are available in readers as well as in A & A to support his conclusion. Also most of the presently known house systems are not new and available at the time of Shri KSK. Shri KSK was a learned astrologer and saying that he was not aware of all those systems doesn't sound convincing to me.

About your suspicion on what is KP and what is not, I can say that we have already dealt about in this forum. Last time we concluded that this forum considers 1971 edition of KP readers as 'KP'. So from the forum perspective, the definition is very clear. If you feel that the rules given there are not correct, you will have to show it practically. Just because you feel that it is not correct, is not going to help all of us.

As suggested by Tw ji, you need to show that a rule is not working at least on the few charts (e.g. 10 charts). Once you prove that, we will also work together with you and help you out testing success and failure of the rule on more chart. We need to test any rule on at least 100 charts to prove or disprove. Any rule with 80% success can be considered correct.

Thanks & Regards,Punit PandeyOn Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK has chosen the placidus system because majority of the people were using that system at that time in west. No doubt, even today majority of the people are using the placidus system in the west. It is just like a candidate winning in general election. If five candidates participated in an election, even a person getting 30% of the total votes may be declared as winner. Other 70% of the votes are shared by the other 4 candidates. Actually the winning candidate got the confidence of 30% of population. The same is applicable to placidus system also. About 40% of the western astrologers are using placidus system. Next rank goes to Koch system and so on. The technical reliability of placidus system is only 40%. If the placidus is  100% accurate then there is no need to switch over to other system by the westerners.

I do not know which rules are KP and which are not KP. When there is a confusion in KP system, question of my proving with KP rule does not arise. The responsibility lies with the KP books publishers. They should prove that the rules in the KP Readers are correct. But the publishers themselves are in confusion which are KP rules.

Dhanabalan--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 wrote:

tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work.

2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence for

the validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in

agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,

the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:

a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; all

other House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0

degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).

4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.

Regards,tw @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:

>> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my

understanding, the badhaka effect will

increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji

requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:

> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com

> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of  badhaka.(Msg.

23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer  becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students

> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro

ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Mars

dosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitation

in KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >

> Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

> > > > > Dear

Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used

> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.

> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the same sign, which can

> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not

> found to

adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.

> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to

> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7

> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older

age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.

> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar " > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

> > having cuspal interception. In my own

chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp

> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.

> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > " According to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign

> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana

from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions. "

> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > >

> > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,

> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I

started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai.

> > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and

> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as

> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity

> > since

a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other

> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)

> > Mercury gets badhaka who is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not

> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.

> >

> > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am

> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the experiences

> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows

introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for

> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the

> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,

> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of

Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,

> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com

> > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

> > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji

> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in

the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//

> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:

> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception

the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition

> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts

> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such

> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a

dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,

> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST)

> > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

<punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com

> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based

> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post

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Dear Punit ji

Noted your suggestion. Thanks.

But the problem in the KP Readers is for every example, different set of rules have been used. For example, exaltation is extensively used in the example charts, whereas, Mr.TinWin says there is no exaltation in KP. In the examples given in the Readers, badhaka is taken as sign basis, whereas, Mr.TinWin says that it is bhava based. In some examples, western aspect is used and in some examples tradition aspects are used and so on. Unless one list out what is KP rules instead of giving vague answer that the rules used in KP Readers 1971 are KP rules, it is not possible to prove or disprove the KP rules.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:05 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Your reasoning doesn't seem correct to me. Selection process of house division is clearly visible if we study of the progression of KP System through KP readers and through A & A. Several case studies are available in readers as well as in A & A to support his conclusion. Also most of the presently known house systems are not new and available at the time of Shri KSK. Shri KSK was a learned astrologer and saying that he was not aware of all those systems doesn't sound convincing to me. About your suspicion on what is KP and what is not, I can say that we have already dealt about in this forum. Last time we concluded that this forum considers 1971 edition of KP readers as 'KP'. So from the forum perspective, the definition is very clear. If you feel that the rules given there are not correct, you will have to show it practically. Just because you feel that it is not correct, is not going to help all of us.

As suggested by Tw ji, you need to show that a rule is not working at least on the few charts (e.g. 10 charts). Once you prove that, we will also work together with you and help you out testing success and failure of the rule on more chart. We need to test any rule on at least 100 charts to prove or disprove. Any rule with 80% success can be considered correct. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK has chosen the placidus system because majority of the people were using that system at that time in west. No doubt, even today majority of the people are using the placidus system in the west. It is just like a candidate winning in general election. If five candidates participated in an election, even a person getting 30% of the total votes may be declared as winner. Other 70% of the votes are shared by the other 4 candidates. Actually the winning candidate got the confidence of 30% of population. The same is applicable to placidus system also. About 40% of the western astrologers are using placidus system. Next rank goes to Koch system and so on. The technical reliability of placidus system is only 40%. If the placidus is 100% accurate then there is no need to switch over to other system by the westerners.

I do not know which rules are KP and which are not KP. When there is a confusion in KP system, question of my proving with KP rule does not arise. The responsibility lies with the KP books publishers. They should prove that the rules in the KP Readers are correct. But the publishers themselves are in confusion which are KP rules.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse

 

 

3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is

notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0 degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>

> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in

detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?

 

 

> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Subject:

Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the

same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns

are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According

to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in

negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who

is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the

experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum

to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy

M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so

the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > >

www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

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Dear Dhanabalan ji,Let us discuss one topic at a time. Let us first discuss marriage rules and then we can take exaltation, badhaka, and Western aspects etc. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Punit ji

Noted your suggestion. Thanks.

But the problem in the KP Readers is for every example, different set of rules have been used. For example, exaltation is extensively used in the example charts, whereas, Mr.TinWin says there is no exaltation in KP. In the examples given in the Readers, badhaka is taken as sign basis, whereas, Mr.TinWin says that it is bhava based. In some  examples, western aspect is used and in some examples tradition aspects are used and so on. Unless one list out what is KP rules instead of giving vague answer that the rules used in KP Readers 1971 are KP rules, it is not possible to prove or disprove the KP rules.

Dhanabalan--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:

Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 7:05 AM

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Your reasoning doesn't seem correct to me. Selection process of house division is clearly visible if we study of the progression of KP System through KP readers and through A & A. Several case studies are available in readers as well as in A & A to support his conclusion. Also most of the presently known house systems are not new and available at the time of Shri KSK. Shri KSK was a learned astrologer and saying that he was not aware of all those systems doesn't sound convincing to me.

About your suspicion on what is KP and what is not, I can say that we have already dealt about in this forum. Last time we concluded that this forum considers 1971 edition of KP readers as 'KP'. So from the forum perspective, the definition is very clear. If you feel that the rules given there are not correct, you will have to show it practically. Just because you feel that it is not correct, is not going to help all of us.

As suggested by Tw ji, you need to show that a rule is not working at least on the few charts (e.g. 10 charts). Once you prove that, we will also work together with you and help you out testing success and failure of the rule on more chart. We need to test any rule on at least 100 charts to prove or disprove. Any rule with 80% success can be considered correct.

Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK has chosen the placidus system because majority of the people were using that system at that time in west. No doubt, even today majority of the people are using the placidus system in the west. It is just like a candidate winning in general election. If five candidates participated in an election, even a person getting 30% of the total votes may be declared as winner. Other 70% of the votes are shared by the other 4 candidates. Actually the winning candidate got the confidence of 30% of population. The same is applicable to placidus system also. About 40% of the western astrologers are using placidus system. Next rank goes to Koch system and so on. The technical reliability of placidus system is only 40%. If the placidus is  100% accurate then there is no need to switch over to other system by the westerners.

I do not know which rules are KP and which are not KP. When there is a confusion in KP system, question of my proving with KP rule does not arise. The responsibility lies with the KP books publishers. They should prove that the rules in the KP Readers are correct. But the publishers themselves are in confusion which are KP rules.

Dhanabalan

--- On Sun, 2/22/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:

 

tw853 <tw853 > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

@gro ups.comSunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

 

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work.

2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:

http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse

 

 

3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minor

aspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy.

Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal House

system:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is

notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is not

the cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0 degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0

degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the " modern " 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and it

is still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>

> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my

understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal

bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji

requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in

detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

of that cusp?

 

 

> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of  badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer  becomes the

9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards

> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. I

have already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink.

> Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Subject:

Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM

> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained

> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current

> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the

same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not

> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,

> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.>

> 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise

> movable rising borns

are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.

> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.>

> Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, " dubeyamitkumar " > <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:

> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >

wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts

> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka

> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to

> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > " According

to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.

> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts

> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions. " > > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from

> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied

> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in

negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see

> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp

> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz

> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who

is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy.

> > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP

> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow

> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the

experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using

> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy

> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka

> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum

to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,

> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e).

> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.

> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord

> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.

> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy

M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji

> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign

> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so

the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps

> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th

> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > >

> > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > >

www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " Dhanabalan R " r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

> > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan

> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator

> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because

> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th " house " , so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.

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in the preface t0 the "universal Table of Houses, the Various sysytems of House Divion are given. If you have the earliest Book, you can find out the Vaious system s of House Divion then known to KPSK"

Dear Metha can you supply the earliest copy of this Uninerasal Table of houses ?"

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Punit Pandey <punitpRe: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Tuesday, 24 February, 2009, 12:35 PM

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,Your reasoning doesn't seem correct to me. Selection process of house division is clearly visible if we study of the progression of KP System through KP readers and through A & A. Several case studies are available in readers as well as in A & A to support his conclusion. Also most of the presently known house systems are not new and available at the time of Shri KSK. Shri KSK was a learned astrologer and saying that he was not aware of all those systems doesn't sound convincing to me. About your suspicion on what is KP and what is not, I can say that we have already dealt about in this forum. Last time we concluded that this forum considers 1971 edition of KP readers as 'KP'. So from the forum perspective, the definition is very clear. If you feel that the rules given there are not correct, you will have to show it practically. Just because you feel that it is not correct, is not going to help all of us. As

suggested by Tw ji, you need to show that a rule is not working at least on the few charts (e.g. 10 charts). Once you prove that, we will also work together with you and help you out testing success and failure of the rule on more chart. We need to test any rule on at least 100 charts to prove or disprove. Any rule with 80% success can be considered correct. Thanks & Regards,Punit Pandey

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Dear TinWin ji

Mr.KSK has chosen the placidus system because majority of the people were using that system at that time in west. No doubt, even today majority of the people are using the placidus system in the west. It is just like a candidate winning in general election. If five candidates participated in an election, even a person getting 30% of the total votes may be declared as winner. Other 70% of the votes are shared by the other 4 candidates. Actually the winning candidate got the confidence of 30% of population. The same is applicable to placidus system also. About 40% of the western astrologers are using placidus system. Next rank goes to Koch system and so on. The technical reliability of placidus system is only 40%. If the placidus is 100% accurate then there is no need to switch over to other system by the westerners.

I do not know which rules are KP and which are not KP. When there is a confusion in KP system, question of my proving with KP rule does not arise.. The responsibility lies with the KP books publishers. They should prove that the rules in the KP Readers are correct. But the publishers themselves are in confusion which are KP rules.

Dhanabalan

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tw853 <tw853 Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 9:56 PM

 

 

 

Dear Dhanabalan ji,1. If you could come up with, let us say, at least 10 charts showingthat any other house system is working better for KP rules thanPlacidus, we are ready to join your research work. 2. The reason of the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are being analysedwith equal house system is that they are posted in this house system.Why posted in this house system is given in the following link:http://www.astrodat abank.com/ AstrologyFAQ. htm#EqualHouse

 

 

3. Church of Light research on events provides intriguing evidence forthe validity of Placidus houses. Using at least 100 cases for eachevent, they found that without exception a progressed major or minoraspect (orb one degree) existed at the time of the event to the rulerof certain houses which were usually (but not always) in agreementwith tradition. (Astrology, 30 Years Research, AFA, 1956) 3. The Equal house system was used in ancient India and by Ptolemy. Today we find it used in Britaian, as it was promoted by Carter, Hone,the Faculty of Astrological Studies and The Mayo School of Astrology.Each house is, of course, exactly 30 degrees, and it is therefore theeasiest system to construct. Here are three main types of Equal Housesystem:a) Ascendant based: the Ascendant is the cusp of the 1st House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Midheaven is

notthe cusp of the 10th House, and may not even be IN the 10th House.b) Midheaven based: The Midheaven is the cusp of the 10th House; allother House cusps are spaced 30 degrees apart. The Ascendant is notthe cusp of the 1st House, and may not even be IN the 1st House.c) Whole Sign Houses: The Houses correspond exactly with the Signs,beginning at 0 degrees of each Sign. The Ascendant and Midheaven arenot House cusps, only sensitive points. The 1st House begins with 0degrees of the Sign of the Ascendant, and the Ascendant may actuallybe ABOVE the horizon (in the "modern" 12th House).4. Guruji KSK clearly mentioned in the KP Reader I that the Placidushouse system was chosen as the most commonly used house system and itis still leading even though the Koch house system has become popular.Regards,tw

@gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ ...> wrote:>

> Dear Sujata ji> If the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th housematters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per myunderstanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You cansend your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him.He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspalinterception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equalbhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA ratedcharts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studyingthe charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitablefor them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitjirequested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hopethat Mr.Murthy will explain his study in

detail.> Dhanabalan > > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...> wrote:> > sujata das <sujatadash1@ ...>> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?

 

 

> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Dhanbalan> Mr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg.23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated tosome extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, wouldhave given due weightage to research being carried out by his students> Regards> Sujata> > --- On Thu, 19/2/09, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ > wrote:> > Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >> Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significatorof that cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 12:29 PM> > > > > > > > > > Dear TinWin ji> Mr.KSK is very specific that the badhaka, Kendradhipathi dosa, Marsdosa should be sign based eventhough KP is stood on placidus system. Ihave already shown the evidences in KP Readers.> Further, exaltation and debilitation are extensively used in KPReaders. One cannot say that there is no exaltation and debilitationin KP.> It is difficult to prove KP without cuspal interlink. > Dhanabalan> > --- On Thu, 2/19/09, tw853 <tw853 > wrote:> > tw853 <tw853 >> Subject:

Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator ofthat cusp?> @gro ups.com> Thursday, February 19, 2009, 3:32 AM> > > > > Dear Dhanabalan ji and Friends,> > 1. That is true as mentioned in Msg#6816 and there is also one> exception in Prasna Marga where more details of Badhaka are explained> and Jataka Parijata is more oriented with 22 Drekkana, which is used> in Vedic.> > 2. In KP death rules, there is no place for 22 Drekkana. (Msg#8964)> These rules are found approved, for in stance in my current> observation of 40 charts regarding death of father.> > 3. In KP, Badhaka, Maraka is bhava based due to application of> Placidus and as a result in some charts 2 or 4 signs may be> intercepted with 2 or more cusps falling in the

same sign, which can> be found in examples of Guruji KSK, Bhatt, K. Hariharan, Khullar and> Marthy etc. This is the normal outcome of Pladicus and no misplacement> of cusps, and the same KP rules are applied, nothing special is not> found to adjust the rules in the cases of intercepted signs. The same> is in Western astrology and the only discussion is which house system> is better fit for the case under study. In KP, there is no choice,> only Placidus.> > 4. Another important point is that Badhaka lord is only grade D> significator and there are more strong grade A to C significators of> Badhaka to be considered.> > 5. Of course, the Badhaka related bhavas will be effected according to> the signification of Badhaka, for instance 7 for marriage, 9 for> foreign, 11 for gain, but not all adverse for being Badhaka, otherwise> movable rising borns

are almost to be finished.> > 6. Another thing is it may depend on age of the native, for 2,7> Maraka, Badhaka, at the younger age having good time with play mates> and then with love ones at middle age and finally death at older age.> Early death is another matter of short life.> > 7. In the modern time, the idea of a planet including Badhaka to be> wholly bad becomes less acceptable even in Vedic and Western astrology.> > Thanks and regards,> > tw > > @gro ups.com, "dubeyamitkumar"> <dubeyamitkumar@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > > > Respected sir> > I agree with you condition no 2 should also be> > considered .> > With Regards> > AMIT> > > > @gro ups.com, Dhanabalan R <r.dhanabalan@ >wrote:> > >> > > Dear Murthyji> > > Thank you for your posting. You have done a research on the cuspal> > interception on badhaka lords. I consider your study on the charts> > having cuspal interception. In my own chart, Saggitarius lagna 28> > degree, 6th cusp falls in 7th sign, 12th cusp falls in first sign. 2nd> > sign and 8th sign are empty. According to your study, the badhaka> > effect in my chart should have been reduced due to the malefic cusp> > falls in Badhaka sthana. Due to the shifting of 6th cusp to 7th sign,> > the 6th bhava gets strengthened. Due to the shifting of 12th cusp to> > first sign, the 12th bhava is strengthened. First bhava is weakened.> O.k.> > > In tradition,> > > "According

to Jataka Parijata (Chapter II, Sloka 48):In order for a> > planet to qualify as Badhka two condition are laid down.> > > a) 11, 9, 7 houses or lords for moveable, fixed and dual sign> > respectively.> > > b)Such a planet should simultaneously be the ruler of the house> > occupied by Mandi or Kharesha (22 Drekkana from Lagna).> > > So according to Jataka Parijata defination of Badhka many charts> > may not have the badhka at all because very few charts will qualify> > both the conditions."> > > > > > Please give your comment on the above.Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/17/09, OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy@>> > > Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of

that> cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 8:11 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sri Dhanabalan ji,> > > > > > At the outset let me introduce myself, I started learning Vedic from> > 1975 thru Astrology magazines of BVRaman Later in 1980 I switched over> > to KSK method after going thru Astrology & Athrista Magazines from> > Chennai. > > > Since 1980 I had clients and many practical charts wherein I applied> > KP princples only (basing on the reading of the 6 readers). IN> > majority of cases clients used to return back with good feed back and> > used bring their friends/relatives also. But in

negligible cases the> > feed is not favourable (where some exceptions we are not able to> > forsee at that time) Subsequently when I go deep into the subject as> > a part of research basing on many practical charts, I could see> > Bhadhaka connection to other bhavas are affecting the features of the> > other bhavas (apart from the same is used for determining longevity> > since a long time). On a deep insight I found when bhadhaka lord cusp> > shifts to either backward/forward rasis in cuspal interception, the> > origal bhadhaka Rasi lord is not functioning as Bahdhaka and the other> > Rasilord becoming Bhadhaka where the effects bhadhaka is diluted becaz> > the properties of bhadhaka has got modified. (e.g. for Libra11thSun is> > > bhadhaka (which is a fiery sign) but when shifted to Virgo (earthy)> > Mercury gets badhaka who

is natural friend to lagnesh Venus. unlike> > Sun who is enemy to Venus. Mercury is not acting as true bhadhaka> > (more damaging) but with salya saradhyam (mahabharath) that he is not> > acting as an enemy. > > > In case of Dual signs when the 7th lord is bhadhaka also gets its> > 12th house i.e. 6th cusp the intensity is reduced becaz owning a> > negative house.> > > > > > According to me all the books were generated by many stalwarts of KP> > who are having Book printing Yoga in their Charts and it might have> > come into the market. But according to me many seniors (now I am> > seeing in this Forum) are also having many theories which they follow> > regularly gives fairly good results might not have come into> publication. > > > > > > Now I humbly submit to Sri Dhanbalan/Sri Punit ji, the

experiences> > which I submitted to the forum is basing on the many practical kp> > charts which I am handling since a long time (previously it is hand> > written calculations basing on logirithams and ephemeries, then using> > scientific calculators, subsequently dos programmes Bhrigu IV, where> > chart will be printed but not saving method in the system. after> > windows introduction we had sws which will allow us to save soft copy> > for our future Research purpose). The opinion given is purely basing> > on my owning reading from practical charts who visits me for> > consultation. On going thru nearly 100 charts the Bhadhaka> > concept/Cuspal Interception charts will have to be read on different> > footing (KP only) but not in a routine way. In those cases the> > readings are gets altered and I request the Seniors of this Forum

to> > enlighten more on the Predictive area wherein the following principles> > existing.> > > > > > 1. Role of Bhadhaka Lord - when placed in negative houses,> > connection to other bhavas, during cuspal intercetion,> > > 2. When Cuspal Interception clockwise/anticlock wise missing cusps> > in some Rasis, more than one cusp.> > > 3. Role of Retro planets in giving their Bhava results.(does it> > encourage/discourag e)..> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > O.V.N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > > > > > www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.1. > > > > > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp? > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:24 am (PST) > > > Dear Murthyji> > > //But however in Dual signs during cuspal interception 7th cusp may> > also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such case the Bhadhaka lord> > gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo> > Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found there is a dilution of the> > bhadhaka intensity.//> > > Any reference in books or it is your own experience.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Fri, 2/13/09, OVN Murthy

M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) > > com> wrote:> > > > > > OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of> > that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, February 13, 2009, 2:24 PM> > > > > > Dear Dhanapalanji and Punjit ji> > > > > > As indicated by me earlier, when there is cuspal interception the> > 2nd cusp may join with 1st (while anticlock) and with 3rd house (while> > it is clockwise) In those cases the propensity of the 2nd cusp sign> > lord gets diluted. This principle we can see while in normal condition> > for Capricorn Asc.. 2nd is also Saturn. For Sagi Asc. 2nd and 3rd> > Saturn, so

the intensity is diluted becaz of its assocition with its> > vyayasthanam. > > > > > > But in case of 7th Marakasthan does not alter in any type of charts> > becaz 1st goes with 7th no cuspal interception for these two cusps> > would take place. But however in Dual signs during cuspal> > interception 7th cusp may also gets 6th cusp in the same Rasi, in such> > case the Bhadhaka lord gets another cusp which is 12th to its 7th> > cusp,(Like Saturn in Leo Ascendant) wherein in such cases we found> > there is a dilution of the bhadhaka intensity.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > O.V..N.MURTHY, M.Com.FCS. ,> > > COMPANY SECRETARY,> > > NIZAM SUGARS LIMITED,> > > HYDERABAD-A. P.> > > PH.NO.23232212 / CELL NO.9441778427> > >

www.saibhavishyavan i.com > > > ovnmurthy (AT) gmail (DOT) com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan > > > Sun Feb 8, 2009 9:19 am (PST) > > > Dear Punitji> > > If lagna falls at 00.16 degree in Saggitarious then II cusp falls in> > the first sign only.> > > Dhanabalan> > > > > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp (AT) gmail (DOT) com>> > > Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator> > of that cusp?> > > @gro ups.com> > > Sunday, February 8, 2009, 4:59 PM> > > > > > Regarding marakasthana also I don't see any problem because> > maraksthana are 2nd and 7th "house", so goes well with the house based> > system like KP. > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > > > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post> > >> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now.>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Sirs,

It appears that Mr. Murthyji considers the 9th cusp as badhaka. If the cusp falls in Cancer the Moon is badhaka and if the cusp falls in Leo because of clockwise shift then Sun is the badhaka. He has given nice interpritation for Moon and the Sun. there is no reason for any controversy, I suppose.

With due regards.

Dr. Rath.

 

 

 

OVN Murthy M.Com.FCS (Gmail) <ovnmurthy Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 11:36:28 PM Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?

 

 

 

Dear Smt. Sujatadas IAS., & Sri Dhanpalan ji

 

I have gone thru the emails. as indicated by Sri Dhanpalan I coming out with practicle charts as suggested by Sri Punit ji. I have also gone thru the advice given by Sri Tinwin ji, and I have gone thru the messages he has quoted about Sri LY Rao and others which is connected to Cuspal Interceptions/ Bhadhaka / Maraka principles. Reg. the Research done by us on Bhadhaka is under ageis of KPAF, Hyderabad wherein I have to take permission from the President Sri Rajendra Nimje, IAS., who is the founder of this KPA Forum and conducting International Summits and gathering all the KP stalwarts in the Hyderabad city and on the internet for conducting Research on the grey areas which are kept open as desired by reverred Guruji Sri KSK.

 

On going thru cuspal interception in our country I found 1 cuspal interception would lead to opposite house also hence two rasis would get blank without any cuspal point and two Rasis would get two cusps this is centprecent possible in lesser latitudes.

 

As indicated by Sri Tinwin ji I have seen the charts of Sri Tony Blair, Mrs. Catharain Zeta Jones, wherein it is Edinburgh/Wales hence higher latitudes has lead to two cuspal interceptions (unlike in Indian latitudes it is one cuspal interception) in such cases each will one opposite Rasi would get cuspal interception thereby 4 Rasis would not get cusps. In such an event only 8 Rasis would get all 12 cusps. 4 Rasilords would get only signification as an Occupant and its starlord's significance. NOthing is so abnormally missing as per KP system and Placidus semi arc division in these cases. That means in Northern side European /Canada countries two cuspal interceptions = 4 Rasilords gets 8 cusps and 4 Rasilord gets single cusps and 4 Rasi will not get any cusps (they are like Rahu and Kethu who are not owning any houses in zodiac will also behave like its starlord but not rasilord as in

case of nodes)/.

 

This is the only chamatkar in KP System unlike other models in Astrology. Becaz of this reason KP attracted many astrologers in this area including clients and westrens also claiming for its accuracy. Initially I wonder when I read the mail of Sri Tinwin ji that 4 interception in higher latitudes (I thought it is 4 cuspal points in one Rasi unlike in Indian births only two cuspal points in one Rasi). I thought all 4 cusps would be in one Rasi thank god it is not so only 2 cusps in Rasi but 4 such interceptions is possible. I have yet to test the mail of Sri Kanannan whose relative was born in Alaska Canada that 3 cusps are in one Rasi i.e. then two Rasis would get 6 cusps and balance 6 Rasis would get only 6 cusps. This type of cuspal interception would eliminate some planets to get cuspal lordship and 4 Rasi planets would get 8 cuspal portfolios that is reason why Europeans were Lucky that

limited Planets out of 9 would get majority portfolios.

 

Coming to Madam's question for Asc. Scorpio which is a watery n fixed sign mars lord, 9th cusp (not rasi) is Bhadhaka as per KP or our testing new idea. (this is not the new ideas of us but one Late Sri Sivala Subramanyam a KP Astrologer from Hyderabad already written KP Books in telugu with his reasearch items as indicated in the previous mails of telugu KP Books by Sri KP Naidu from Vizag). 9th cusp in normal distribution falls in Cancer Moon is the lord if he is waxing it is good as per vedic as konalord, if it is wanning then not good. which is moveable sign and watery. As per the conditions Fixed sign watery will have a bhadhaka 9th a moveable watery sign. But if cuspal interception occurs the 9th house clockwise shifts to Leo as 9th lord (just like for Sagittarius Sun 9th lord is highly favourable both for education, reputation and longevity) which is fixed n fiery sign hence the properties have

thoroughly changed and these natives would escape from the Bhadhaka effect of the 9th lord Leo sun. the Moon would not have 9th lordships hence he is also free from blemish. Now if Leo also gets 10th cusp then Sun is lord of 9n10 (both kona n kendra vedic) like Saturn for Taurus a yogakara of both good houses as bhadhaka lord. Here Leo gets 10th n 9th cusps (9th will not spoil as bhadhaka to 10th cusp) 9th acts as 12th 10th hence in Job area not full benefits or promotions or patting from higher ups is indicated. as 10th cusp gets its negative 12th i..e 9th hence for everything it is a herculean task to them in their profession.

 

Thanks to Sri Dhanpalan ji who made me to come up before u with all my ideas on this subject matter. I am also studying the chart of Sri Dhanapalan for getting answer of his Sagi Lagna with cuspal interception of 12 th clockwise coming into lagna and consequently 6th in 7th cusp Gemini. I request Sri Sujati ji to give his dob 5.5.1955. tob....... pob. new delhi.to study the bhadhaka lord and cuspal interception in a better way.

 

Pranams to all the Seniors in the group.

 

 

Regards,

 

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Posted by: "Dhanabalan R" r.dhanabalan@ r.dhanabalan

Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:54 am (PST)

Dear Sujata jiIf the 9th cusp falls in 10th sign then it will support 9th house matters but it will spoil 10th house matters. If the 9th cusp falls in 8th sign then it will reduce the strength of 9th house. As per my understanding, the badhaka effect will increase in your case. You can send your birth details to Mr.Murthy and get direct opinion from him. He will analyse your chart and give opinion. I accept that the cuspal interception needs research. Many of the westerners are using equal bhava method for their prediction. Even the Astrodatabank AA rated charts are analysed with equal house system. Westerners are studying the charts with all types of house system and choose the one suitable for them. Here, no one is doing study in the house system.. Mr.Punitji requested Mr.Murthy to explain his research with examples. We hope that Mr.Murthy will explain his study in

detail.Dhanabalan --- On Thu, 2/19/09, sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in> wrote:sujata das <sujatadash1@ .co. in>Re: Re: Sub lord of a cusp is a significator of that cusp?@gro ups.comThursday, February 19, 2009, 2:36 PMDear Mr DhanbalanMr OVN Murthy has done some research on 100charts of badhaka.(Msg. 23298) He is of the opinion that if Leo instead of cancer becomes the 9th cusp for scorpio, then the effects of badhaka are mitigated to some extent as mars and sun are friends. KSKji, if alive today, would have given due weightage to research being carried out by his studentsRegardsSujata

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