Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 | om gurave namah | Dear Narasimha Why is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or the symbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu in form, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Any tiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him. I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri came and was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs and objects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now in front of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would you send him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was not wearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of the debate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear. Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes you like, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than the smallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essence and He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just a dust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what we should know. When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and when we read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attached to the names as the names have given us images and these images are what we cling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, the form making and the flavor tasting. In another mail Bharat writes " I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam, Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantam is Brahman " and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya, Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the three untruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and then if the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to that which is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyuta explains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltely untrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names of the lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously? Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that which is that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it is this satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as without this satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantly destroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tiny amount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and all that is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath. So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created the name and retains its essence inside the naama. Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created the form and retains its essence inside the form Even in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' which gave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it. Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth in om, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006 Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PM avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 om sarvavedantavide namah Dear Sanjay ji, Jaya Jagannatha Bravo! This is what Vishnu is all about. Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Monday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PM sohamsa There is some truth in all untruth | om gurave namah | Dear Narasimha Why is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or the symbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu in form, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Any tiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him. I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri came and was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs and objects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now in front of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would you send him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was not wearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of the debate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear. Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes you like, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than the smallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essence and He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just a dust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what we should know. When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and when we read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attached to the names as the names have given us images and these images are what we cling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, the form making and the flavor tasting. In another mail Bharat writes " I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam, Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantam is Brahman " and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya, Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the three untruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and then if the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to that which is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyuta explains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltely untrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names of the lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously? Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that which is that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it is this satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as without this satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantly destroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tiny amount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and all that is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath. So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created the name and retains its essence inside the naama. Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created the form and retains its essence inside the form Even in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' which gave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it. Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth in om, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006 Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PM avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. |brihaspatim varenyam| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 What a coincidence. Yesterday, while discussing devatas with a yogi, I was told that, they appear to you (in dreams etc), only in the form, in which we can recognize *the face which is familiar*. Else, human mind will skip the phenomenon. regards / Prafulla GangWhen you have a problem, don't say 'Oh My God, I Have A Big Problem'. But say ' Oh Problem, I Have Big God ' sweeSent: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 06:08:06 +0200sohamsa Subject: RE: There is some truth in all untruth om sarvavedantavide namahDear Sanjay ji,Jaya JagannathaBravo! This is what Vishnu is all about.Love,Sweesohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathMonday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PMsohamsa Subject: There is some truth in all untruth| om gurave namah |Dear NarasimhaWhy is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or thesymbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu inform, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Anytiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him.I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri cameand was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs andobjects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now infront of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would yousend him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was notwearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of thedebate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear.Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes youlike, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than thesmallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essenceand He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just adust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what weshould know.When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and whenwe read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attachedto the names as the names have given us images and these images are what wecling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, theform making and the flavor tasting.In another mail Bharat writes "I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam,Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantamis Brahman" and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya,Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the threeuntruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and thenif the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to thatwhich is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyutaexplains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltelyuntrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names ofthe lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously?Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that whichis that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it isthis satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as withoutthis satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantlydestroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tinyamount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and allthat is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath.So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created thename and retains its essence inside the naama.Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created theform and retains its essence inside the formEven in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' whichgave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it.Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth inom, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM...Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.|brihaspatim varenyam| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Dear Madam Swee and respected Mr. Rath, Name, form or Swaroopa of Gods and Dieties should never be associated with the word-UNTRUTH. It sends the wrong singnals. According to the context they are referred as SAT , ASAT but both are the TURUTH. Then their is the word MITH. This mith creates many names and forms as on account of mith the JIVA is unable to comprehend gods fully. Thus even various call and see them with the help several names and forms. JEEVA'S JOURNEY IS COMPLETE WHENE HE IS ABLE TO SEE HIM IN EVERY THING. Regards G.K.GOELSwee Chan <swee wrote: om sarvavedantavide namahDear Sanjay ji,Jaya JagannathaBravo! This is what Vishnu is all about.Love,Sweesohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathMonday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PMsohamsa Subject: There is some truth in all untruth| om gurave namah |Dear NarasimhaWhy is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or thesymbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu inform, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Anytiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him.I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri cameand was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs andobjects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now infront of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would yousend him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was notwearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of thedebate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear.Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes youlike, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than thesmallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essenceand He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just adust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what weshould know.When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and whenwe read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attachedto the names as the names have given us images and these images are what wecling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, theform making and the flavor tasting.In another mail Bharat writes "I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam,Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantamis Brahman" and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya,Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the threeuntruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and thenif the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to thatwhich is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyutaexplains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltelyuntrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names ofthe lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously?Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that whichis that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it isthis satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as withoutthis satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantlydestroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tinyamount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and allthat is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath.So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created thename and retains its essence inside the naama.Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created theform and retains its essence inside the formEven in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' whichgave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it.Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth inom, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM...Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.|brihaspatim varenyam| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Namaskaar SanjayjiAdvaita is much misunderstood. Naam and Form is to be remembered as false, to protect one from getting attached to only it and forgetting the Bhava. That the object does not have any reality other than Brahman, it becomes evident that one can pray to any form in any manner as long as one remembers the Bhava. Moreover, when describing the Truth - Sat-Asat vichara, there is a natural tendency to feel that since this is intellectually known, so no further action or anything else is needed. These have to be dealt with too. I am glad you picked this topic up. Just a small note.Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 6/5/06, Sanjay Rath < guruji wrote: | om gurave namah | Dear Narasimha Why is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or the symbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu in form, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Any tiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him. I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri came and was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs and objects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now in front of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would you send him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was not wearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of the debate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear. Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes you like, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than the smallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essence and He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just a dust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what we should know. When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and when we read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attached to the names as the names have given us images and these images are what we cling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, the form making and the flavor tasting. In another mail Bharat writes " I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam, Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantam is Brahman " and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya, Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the three untruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and then if the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to that which is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyuta explains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltely untrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names of the lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously? Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that which is that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it is this satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as without this satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantly destroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tiny amount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and all that is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath. So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created the name and retains its essence inside the naama. Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created the form and retains its essence inside the form Even in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' which gave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it. Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth in om, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006 Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PM avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 om sarvavedantavide namah Dear Goel ji, Namaste JEEVA'S JOURNEY IS COMPLETE WHENE HE IS ABLE TO SEE HIM IN EVERY THING. Regards G.K.GOEL Of course HE IS – that’s why we know him as Vishnu, Him who pervades everything; in the animate and inanimate, everything is alive, even the dry blade of grass that is being offered in the fire. As for Black and White – Sat and Asat, what happens to the Middle Zone – the Sandhyas? Love, Swee sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Gopal Goel Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:00 AM sohamsa RE: There is some truth in all untruth Dear Madam Swee and respected Mr. Rath, Name, form or Swaroopa of Gods and Dieties should never be associated with the word-UNTRUTH. It sends the wrong singnals. According to the context they are referred as SAT , ASAT but both are the TURUTH. Then their is the word MITH. This mith creates many names and forms as on account of mith the JIVA is unable to comprehend gods fully. Thus even various call and see them with the help several names and forms. JEEVA'S JOURNEY IS COMPLETE WHENE HE IS ABLE TO SEE HIM IN EVERY THING. Regards G.K.GOEL Swee Chan <swee wrote: om sarvavedantavide namah Dear Sanjay ji, Jaya Jagannatha Bravo! This is what Vishnu is all about. Love, Swee -----Original Messag e----- sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay Rath Monday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PM sohamsa There is some truth in all untruth | om gurave namah | Dear Narasimha Why is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or the symbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu in form, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Any tiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him. I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri came and was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs and objects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now in front of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would you send him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was not wearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of the debate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear. Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes you like, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than the smallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essence and He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just a dust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what we should know. When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and when we read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attached to the names as the names have given us images and these images are what we cling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, the form making and the flavor tasting. In another mail Bharat writes " I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam, Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantam is Brahman " and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya, Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the three untruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and then if the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to that which is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyuta explains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltely untrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names of the lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously? Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that which is that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it is this satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as without this satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantly destroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tiny amount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and all that is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath. So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created the name and retains its essence inside the naama. Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created the form and retains its essence inside the form Even in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' which gave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it. Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth in om, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM... Best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006 Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PM avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. |brihaspatim varenyam| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 Truth is one. Untruth is only relative in the sense that from our waking state of awareness it seems limited. From the standpoint of Vishnu-Oneness-Shiva-Wholeness all is Vishnu-Oneness-Shiva-Wholeness. I didn't write that to add anything to Sanjay's knowledge. He already stated this knowledge. I just added it to put a different form that might be useful. Steve --- Sanjay Rath <guruji wrote: > | om gurave namah | > Dear Narasimha > > Why is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's > avatars? Is it the form or the > symbology? Then know that this is not what it is > meant by Ista. If Vishnu in > form, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then > he is not Vishnu. Any > tiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be > big enough to hold Him. > > I will share a nice experience with you. Once one > vaishnava from Puri came > and was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on > certain colrs and > objects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were > to come right now in > front of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow > garments, then would you > send him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as > balgopal and was not > wearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' > That was the end of the > debate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal > clear. > > Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force > him to wear clothes you > like, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He > is smaller than the > smallest atom we can conceive of as He is within > that atom as its essence > and He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can > think of as it is just a > dust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is > Jagannath, that is what we > should know. > > When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om > Shivaaya namah' in it and when > we read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in > it. We have got attached > to the names as the names have given us images and > these images are what we > cling to. That was the first stage of Ista > sadhana...the name taking, the > form making and the flavor tasting. > > In another mail Bharat writes " I have stated World > is - Satyam, Jnanam, > Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, > Satyam, Jnanam and Anantam > is Brahman " and I think to this I will add another > word called Rasa. Satya, > Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa > and Rasa are the three > untruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without > knowing the untruth and then > if the untruth is really completely untrue then how > can it take us to that > which is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can > it happen? Achyuta > explains this well in the nama tatva. If the name > (naama) is compltely > untrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras > and taking the names of > the lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth > continuously? > > Then there must be something true about the untruth > as well and that which > is that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of > its satva guna and it is > this satva guna that causes it to sustain over any > period of time as without > this satva guna in it, everything that is created > will be instantly > destroyed by the tamas that automatically follows > all rajas. And that tiny > amount of satva guna which has come into each of us > that causes us and all > that is created to be sustained is Vishnu or > Jagannath. > > So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the > 'om' which created the > name and retains its essence inside the naama. > Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the > 'om' which created the > form and retains its essence inside the form > Even in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) > there is the 'om' which > gave it its taste/color and retains its essence > inside it. > > Having known that the essence is om, then by > clinging to the tiny truth in > om, we climb the ladder (again form!, again > action!!) to AUM... > > Best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > > > > _____ > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound > message clean. > > > Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006 > Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PM > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Goel Saheb and others, Namaste. We know that Arudhas cannot find a place in Sathya Peetha. But we also know that the conscious lords of Sathya Peethas want the projections/arudhyas to play a role. All the projections/creations, you will agree, are from the Lord. The projections definitely require the support of the Lord for their existence but the Lord does not require the projections to support his existence. The Lord/Almighty has the will and the power to decide whether to allow the projections/creations 1.to extend the time period allotted to them. 2.to cut short the allotted period. 3.to allow the creations to transcend the time. Considering all the creations as a sport/leela of the Lord the permanency or the impermanency of them need not be considered as anarthas/untruths. Jivan muktha Sri Raghavendra can come as Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Thakur can come as another avathar. There is a continuity. Change of dress/vesha is a sport decided by the Lord. The actions of the Lord cannot be called as untruths/anarthas. Though the darkness does not exist the moment the light emerged, it nevertheless helped in understanding and appreciating the emergence of light. Tamas has a definite role to play in terms of conversion/transformation. The 8th house and its trines have a definite link to this. The karakas of 8th & 12th houses is Sani while that of 4th house is Moon. Their association, you are aware, can bring about transformation. The grahana or the grip of the planets/grahas on the jivas has a definite role to play in the choice of gunas. How to get over the grip of the planet who has idetified itself as the Atmakaraka? The Sage gives the clue - it is through the help of another thorn/graha placed or lording the 12th from the Karakamsa(amsa is the dharma adhaara). The clue lies here. The nada/mantra/sound energy which has control over the 12th placed graha has enough power and potency to untie/unfetter the jiva from the clutches of the Atmakaraka. The roles of the gunas are well-defined and there is nothing called as good or bad gunas. Some jivas may not know presently the existence of the tri-gunas for the time being. Some may know to some extent. Some may know to a great extent. These are only at the knowledge level. The Lord has not only the knowledge about these gunas but also knows how to use them. The person who can apply the knowledge gained is the master. Whenever the Lord decides there is a need for transformation he brings forth the tamas sakthi. This he may do it by calling himself as Kali/Rudra. The 'Klim' beeja/vija is used to transcend the guna and to make meaningful use of them. If we invert the "OM" written in Sanskrit we fill find that the Chandrabindu(Brahma) showing his intention to reach the Nabhi through the stem and that the Lipi is the actual Lotus strongly rooted in the Lord. i think the mail is becoming lengthier, let me stop here. May Mother Bless. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanaryanan.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Madam Swee and respected Mr. Rath, Name, form or Swaroopa of Gods and Dieties should never be associated with the word-UNTRUTH. It sends the wrong singnals. According to the context they are referred as SAT , ASAT but both are the TURUTH. Then their is the word MITH. This mith creates many names and forms as on account of mith the JIVA is unable to comprehend gods fully. Thus even various call and see them with the help several names and forms. JEEVA'S JOURNEY IS COMPLETE WHENE HE IS ABLE TO SEE HIM IN EVERY THING. Regards G.K.GOELSwee Chan <swee wrote: om sarvavedantavide namahDear Sanjay ji,Jaya JagannathaBravo! This is what Vishnu is all about.Love,Sweesohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathMonday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PMsohamsa Subject: There is some truth in all untruth| om gurave namah |Dear NarasimhaWhy is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or thesymbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu inform, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Anytiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him.I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri cameand was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs andobjects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now infront of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would yousend him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was notwearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of thedebate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear.Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes youlike, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than thesmallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essenceand He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just adust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what weshould know.When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and whenwe read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attachedto the names as the names have given us images and these images are what wecling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, theform making and the flavor tasting.In another mail Bharat writes "I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam,Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantamis Brahman" and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya,Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the threeuntruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and thenif the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to thatwhich is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyutaexplains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltelyuntrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names ofthe lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously?Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that whichis that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it isthis satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as withoutthis satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantlydestroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tinyamount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and allthat is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath.So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created thename and retains its essence inside the naama.Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created theform and retains its essence inside the formEven in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' whichgave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it.Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth inom, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM...Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.|brihaspatim varenyam| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Dear Ramanarayanan, What a wonderful statement is made by you, "The nada/mantra/sound energy which hascontrol over the12th house placed graha has enough power and potency to untie /unfatter the Jiva from the clutches of Atmakarka.' This statement indicates the crux of all upasana's.12th house is vaya bhava. God may grant you long life. G.K.GOELrama narayanan <sree88ganesha wrote: SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Goel Saheb and others, Namaste. We know that Arudhas cannot find a place in Sathya Peetha. But we also know that the conscious lords of Sathya Peethas want the projections/arudhyas to play a role. All the projections/creations, you will agree, are from the Lord. The projections definitely require the support of the Lord for their existence but the Lord does not require the projections to support his existence. The Lord/Almighty has the will and the power to decide whether to allow the projections/creations 1.to extend the time period allotted to them. 2.to cut short the allotted period. 3.to allow the creations to transcend the time. Considering all the creations as a sport/leela of the Lord the permanency or the impermanency of them need not be considered as anarthas/untruths. Jivan muktha Sri Raghavendra can come as Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Thakur can come as another avathar. There is a continuity. Change of dress/vesha is a sport decided by the Lord. The actions of the Lord cannot be called as untruths/anarthas. Though the darkness does not exist the moment the light emerged, it nevertheless helped in understanding and appreciating the emergence of light. Tamas has a definite role to play in terms of conversion/transformation. The 8th house and its trines have a definite link to this. The karakas of 8th & 12th houses is Sani while that of 4th house is Moon. Their association, you are aware, can bring about transformation. The grahana or the grip of the planets/grahas on the jivas has a definite role to play in the choice of gunas. How to get over the grip of the planet who has idetified itself as the Atmakaraka? The Sage gives the clue - it is through the help of another thorn/graha placed or lording the 12th from the Karakamsa(amsa is the dharma adhaara). The clue lies here. The nada/mantra/sound energy which has control over the 12th placed graha has enough power and potency to untie/unfetter the jiva from the clutches of the Atmakaraka. The roles of the gunas are well-defined and there is nothing called as good or bad gunas. Some jivas may not know presently the existence of the tri-gunas for the time being. Some may know to some extent. Some may know to a great extent. These are only at the knowledge level. The Lord has not only the knowledge about these gunas but also knows how to use them. The person who can apply the knowledge gained is the master. Whenever the Lord decides there is a need for transformation he brings forth the tamas sakthi. This he may do it by calling himself as Kali/Rudra. The 'Klim' beeja/vija is used to transcend the guna and to make meaningful use of them. If we invert the "OM" written in Sanskrit we fill find that the Chandrabindu(Brahma) showing his intention to reach the Nabhi through the stem and that the Lipi is the actual Lotus strongly rooted in the Lord. i think the mail is becoming lengthier, let me stop here. May Mother Bless. Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanaryanan.Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Madam Swee and respected Mr. Rath, Name, form or Swaroopa of Gods and Dieties should never be associated with the word-UNTRUTH. It sends the wrong singnals. According to the context they are referred as SAT , ASAT but both are the TURUTH. Then their is the word MITH. This mith creates many names and forms as on account of mith the JIVA is unable to comprehend gods fully. Thus even various call and see them with the help several names and forms. JEEVA'S JOURNEY IS COMPLETE WHENE HE IS ABLE TO SEE HIM IN EVERY THING. Regards G.K.GOELSwee Chan <swee wrote: om sarvavedantavide namahDear Sanjay ji,Jaya JagannathaBravo! This is what Vishnu is all about.Love,Sweesohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Sanjay RathMonday, June 05, 2006 7:03 PMsohamsa Subject: There is some truth in all untruth| om gurave namah |Dear NarasimhaWhy is there a problem in connecting Vishnu's avatars? Is it the form or thesymbology? Then know that this is not what it is meant by Ista. If Vishnu inform, amsa or parsva is not 'sarva-vyapakesha' then he is not Vishnu. Anytiny box that people try to fit Him into will not be big enough to hold Him.I will share a nice experience with you. Once one vaishnava from Puri cameand was talking about Krishna lila and insisting on certain colrs andobjects. Suddenly Gurudev asked, " If Bhagavan were to come right now infront of you and you did not see Him wearing yellow garments, then would yousend him back calling Him a fraud? If He came as balgopal and was notwearing any clothes at all! Then what will you do?' That was the end of thedebate and the concept of Vishnu became crystal clear.Don't ttry to put Him in a box, don;t try to force him to wear clothes youlike, don't try to give any limits what-so-ever. He is smaller than thesmallest atom we can conceive of as He is within that atom as its essenceand He is bigger then the biggest galaxy we can think of as it is just adust on his foot. So how can we limit Him. He is Jagannath, that is what weshould know.When we read Vishnu sahasranama, we find 'om Shivaaya namah' in it and whenwe read Shiva sahasranama we find Vishnu's names in it. We have got attachedto the names as the names have given us images and these images are what wecling to. That was the first stage of Ista sadhana...the name taking, theform making and the flavor tasting.In another mail Bharat writes "I have stated World is - Satyam, Jnanam,Anantam, Naam and Rupa. Naam and Rupa are false, Satyam, Jnanam and Anantamis Brahman" and I think to this I will add another word called Rasa. Satya,Jnana, Ananta are the three truths and Naama, Rupa and Rasa are the threeuntruths. Yet the truth cannot be known without knowing the untruth and thenif the untruth is really completely untrue then how can it take us to thatwhich is true. Like asat taking one to sat. How can it happen? Achyutaexplains this well in the nama tatva. If the name (naama) is compltelyuntrue then of what use is the recitation of mantras and taking the names ofthe lord? Would it not amount to dwelling in untruth continuously?Then there must be something true about the untruth as well and that whichis that tiny bit of truth in it, is the source of its satva guna and it isthis satva guna that causes it to sustain over any period of time as withoutthis satva guna in it, everything that is created will be instantlydestroyed by the tamas that automatically follows all rajas. And that tinyamount of satva guna which has come into each of us that causes us and allthat is created to be sustained is Vishnu or Jagannath.So even in the untruth of naama(name) there is the 'om' which created thename and retains its essence inside the naama.Even in the untruth of the Rupa (form) there is the 'om' which created theform and retains its essence inside the formEven in the untruth of the Rasa (flvor/color etc) there is the 'om' whichgave it its taste/color and retains its essence inside it.Having known that the essence is om, then by clinging to the tiny truth inom, we climb the ladder (again form!, again action!!) to AUM...Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay Rath _____ avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006Tested on: 6/5/2006 10:33:22 PMavast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.|brihaspatim varenyam| Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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