Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

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Dear Ajit,

 

> Can you please explain how to count the sounds of RV 3.62.10 to arrive at> 24? I have always gotten a different result. (for example, using the> publication of the Kapali institute)

 

Good question!

 

The chhandas employed in Vedic hymns uses some rules that are not used in later day literature.

 

Students of Veda used to also study Vedangas, such as Siksha, Vyakaranam and Chhandas. Chhandas (prosody) is not a simple subject that can be mastered in a day.

 

Please read Pingala's chhandas. Normally, scholars use sutra 2 of third adhyaya of Pingala's chhandas to explain how there are exactly 24 letters in the basic Savitri Gayatri mantra ("tatsavitur...prachodayaat").

 

I am neither an expert nor have a firm view on this. I am merely sharing the little information I have, because you seem interested. You may want to explore Pingala's sutras on chhandas.

 

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Dear Sanjay,

 

> tat savitur vareNyam ...1st pada> vargo devasya dhimahi...2nd pada> dhiyo yo nah prachodayat...3rd pada

 

The first word in the second pada is not "vargo". It is given as "bhargo" in all printed versions I have seen.

 

This is the first time I am seeing "vargo". I am guessing that it is a corruption. The word "bharga" means radiant energy or effulgence. It is vital in the meaning of the mantra. I cannot see "varga" fitting here.

 

Do you chant the mantra in your japam as you wrote above? Is this how your guru taught you?

 

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Dear Ajit,

 

> > This is regarding the Gayatri to which I have a very clearcut answer and> know at least 25 samputa or maybe more> > You do not have to reply to this publically if you wish. However, when you> are so firm about the 24 sounds of the mantra, why did you bother to find> out about 25+ samputas which will naturally change the chandas of the> mantra? Or have I misunderstood something?

 

Regarding the assertion above ("naturally change the chandas of the mantra"), I beg to differ.

Let me make my argument using an analogy, starting with the word used by Sanjay - "samputa". What does that word mean? It means a bowl or a container!!!!

 

If I prefix the mantra with Om and suffix the mantra with Om, Sanjay is rightly calling it "samputa" (and he says he knows 25+ samputas). They basically form the "container" for the mantra.

 

Now, if I put rice in a bowl, does the bowl become part of rice? No, it is still a bowl that happens to contain rice. Similarly, if I put pasta in a bowl, does the bowl become part of pasta? No, it is still a bowl that happens to contain pasta.

 

Similarly, the samputa (container) used does not become part of the mantra. Mantra remains mantra (like rice and pasta in the above analogy) and samputa just acts as a container that provides space for the mantra.

 

Now, one important point needs to be made, in order to complete this analogy:

 

If a bowl is dirty, the dirt can get into rice and change its taste. If a bowl contaminated with sugar syrup is used to contain rice, rice becomes sweet due to the sugar syrup. Similarly, some samputas can change the "nature" (not chhandas) of the mantra. Thus, one has to be careful with certain samputas.

 

However, Om is pure aakaasa (space). Thus, doing samputa of Gayatri mantra with Om...Om creates empty space (aakaasa) for the mantra to occupy and does not change the nature in any way.

 

Thus, I maintain that the samputa suggested by Swami Vivekananda (Om...mantra...Om) neither changes the chhandas (metre) nor changes the nature of the mantra.

 

However, some of the 25+ samputas that Sanjay said he knows may be different in behavior. While those samputas remain samputas (containers) and do not become part of the mantra, they can affect the nature and effect of the mantra. If one wants good health or wants to overcome addictions by controlling the mind or wants knowledge or something like that, one may choose an appropriate samputa as taught by a guru. But, if the goal is Brahma jnaana, I humbly suggest that the basic samputa suggested by Swami Vivekananda is appropriate.

 

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Dear Sanjay,

 

> You have not expressed your views about the panchakshari mantra. Does your> tradition still believe that it is the same as shadakshari mantra? So then> your tradition does not recognise the Rudra Yamala or alternatively does not> accept the teaching of Shankara.

I humbly take back my point on Panchakshari and Shadakshari. Whatever I said in that regard was my own view and not my guru's.

 

I made a wrong point that can (did) divert the discussion. Please read what I wrote to Ajit above.

 

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Dear Pandit Arjun ji,

 

> it is clearly written in shivapuran that doing japam of any mantra > with a rudraksha mala is the best. hence rudraksha mala is not > prohibited for chanting any mantra, rather it is put above par with > all other malas like pearls, corals, crystals etc.

Thank you for the reference! Contrary to this (and contrary to my own guru's teachings), Sanjay ji vehemently maintains that Rudraksha must not be used with Gayatri mantra. Let us wait for him to give his reference!

 

 

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Dear Neeraj,

 

> I greatly appreciate your feedback. I do need it and I> will devote some time on the Narayana Sooktam with> voice as well as text and will try to improve on the> intonation and pronounciation part.> > I hope, I can do it correctly with some practice and> with your blessings.> > I already have the image and the humming of the> gayatri mantra that you gave us. I will practicse on> that.

 

Who am I to bless you?

 

I met several people who were given Gayatri long back, but do not practice it now. Having seen the power of Gayatri, I convinced them to restart and guided them in pronunciation. After doing it physically with a few people, I wanted to do it virtually, to reach a larger group.

 

I am only sharing what I know and practice, not because I know a great lot, but because even the little I know may be useful to some.

 

I have absolutely no pretensions of being a guru or a learned man or one who can bless people.

 

Yes, I have seen people perfect the swara of this mantra with practice. Do practice.

 

When I taught people physically, I hummed it while moving my finger on the text (like in karaoke). Unfortunately, the resources I have uploaded lack in that dimension and it is less easy to follow the humming and text together. That is why I think listening to the Sri Sooktam audio I mentioned yesterday and understanding the meanings of accent symbols practically is a good approach.

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

 

Narasimha

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Dear Sanjay,

 

> To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> the number of mukhi, it is fine.

Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification of your view.

 

Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri?

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

 

Narasimha

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> Dear Narasimha> > 1. Thats a typo...everyone knows is bhargo devasya dhimahi.> 2. Brilliant analogy about the Rice and the Bowl. You can be very> innovative in your analogies.> > 3. I really appreciate the fact that you have accepted the error you> made about panchakshari and shadakshari. Narasimha, I have no> intention to ever show that this path is right or that is right. After> all who are we in this huge universe. All I tried to do was to prevent> others from having *notions* about right and wrong.> > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> the number of mukhi, it is fine. > > When we use the word Rudraksha in general, it refers to the> panchamukhi rudraksha. The pancamukhi is for the panchamukha devata> and to my knowledge this is ONLY LORD SHIVA (Brahma had 5 heads, but> lost one due to indiscretion, so He is chaturmukhi). This rudraksha is> the best for panchakshari or shadakshari mantra sadhana, especially if> the mantra initiation has been done on a panchami.> > Hope this clarfies.> > 5. To other who think this debate is one upmanship (I have not read> the mails, but was told that there is some thing like this). > > How can we ever dream of improvement if we do not question? Are we> Indians destined to languish in the darkness of the middle ages? Can> we not come out of that by questioning and learning. Just see how much> knowledge has been exchanged due to this process of questioning. OK> agreed that Narasimha and I can get at each others throats> occasionally, but then deep inside we know that it is ultimately for> the knowledge that we came together in the first place.> > Sanjay

 

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Dear Narasimha,

 

> Please read Pingala's chhandas.

 

Thank you for the reference. I will look for it.

 

> Regarding the assertion above

> ( " naturally change the chandas of the mantra " ),

> I beg to differ.

 

Explaining my limited understanding furthur, I believe there are two

possibilities. (1) where the samputa is recited as part of the mantra

proper, and thus, changes the mantra's chandas. For example, panchakshari

vs. shadakshari (2) where a pause is given between the recitation of the

samputa and the mantra-proper, and thus, the chandas of the mantra remains

unchanged. For example, the recitation of the savitur mantra in south india,

where the chandas for each set of samputas is separately known, and where a

definite pause is given between the samputas and the mantra-proper.

 

ajit

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| om gurave namah |Dear Narasimha

1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by using 12 faced rudraksha.

2. I do.Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ¡ü Rath¡Çs Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications----

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of Narasimha P.V.R. RaoFriday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM ; sohamsa ; vedic astrology Cc: sjcBoston Subject: Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

> To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> the number of mukhi, it is fine.

Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification of your view.

 

Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri?

 

 

Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

 

Narasimha

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Dear Guru,

 

I explicitly asked you to write about your

traditions.

 

> Are you always going to think interms

of north-south divide in India.

 

What north-south divide? I was neither

born in India,

nor do I live there. All I wrote about was the one tradition that I know about,

and where it is commonly found. Just like how the crumbs of Jyotisha taught to

me come from Orissa.

 

ajit

 

 

 

 

 

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| om gurave namah |

Dear Ajit

There is also a WEST and EAST India and a

Madhya desha. What about them? Are

you always going to think interms of north-south divide in India. Hello, I

am from Orissa (Kanunanidhi called us Worry-sa once, but it was in fun).

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RE: [vedic astrology] Miscellany: Counting Letters,

Samputa Analogy etc

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

> Please read Pingala's chhandas.

 

Thank you for the reference. I will look for it.

 

> Regarding the assertion above

> ( " naturally change the chandas of the mantra " ), I beg to differ.

 

Explaining my limited understanding furthur, I believe there are two

possibilities. (1) where the samputa is recited as part of the mantra

proper, and thus, changes the mantra's chandas. For example, panchakshari

vs. shadakshari (2) where a pause is given between the recitation of the

samputa and the mantra-proper, and thus, the chandas of the mantra remains

unchanged. For example, the recitation of the savitur mantra in south india,

where the chandas for each set of samputas is separately known, and where a

definite pause is given between the samputas and the mantra-proper.

 

ajit

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|| Om Gurave Namah ||Dear Narasimha and Jyotishas, I read thru the Pingala's Chhandas at, http://is1.mum.edu/vedicreserve/chhandas/chhandas.pdf

It seems very similar to Jaimini Upadesa sutram. It's very precise and difficult to understand. Is there any simple translation?. Just to get some basics on channdas, to get some basic idea on mantras.

If we consider this to be like JUS(Jaimini Updesa) is there any BPHS form for chhandas?Warm Regardssanjay POn 7/7/06, Ajit Krishnan

<ajit.krishnan wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Narasimha,

 

> Please read Pingala's chhandas.

 

Thank you for the reference. I will look for it.

 

> Regarding the assertion above

> ( " naturally change the chandas of the mantra " ),

> I beg to differ.

 

Explaining my limited understanding furthur, I believe there are two

possibilities. (1) where the samputa is recited as part of the mantra

proper, and thus, changes the mantra's chandas. For example, panchakshari

vs. shadakshari (2) where a pause is given between the recitation of the

samputa and the mantra-proper, and thus, the chandas of the mantra remains

unchanged. For example, the recitation of the savitur mantra in south india,

where the chandas for each set of samputas is separately known, and where a

definite pause is given between the samputas and the mantra-proper.

 

ajit

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Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam

 

goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

 

shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

 

yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

 

 

According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.

mysticalsense.

The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > | om gurave namah |> Dear Narasimha> > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by using 12> faced rudraksha.> > 2. I do.> Best wishes and warm regards,> Sanjay Rath> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/>> Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> ----> > > > > _____> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM> ; sohamsa ;> vedic astrology > Cc: sjcBoston > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > Dear Sanjay,> > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> > the number of mukhi, it is fine.> > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be> saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification of> your view.> > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi Rudraksha> is prohibited for Gayatri?> > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> Narasimha> -------------------------------> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> -------------------------------> > > > > _____> > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.> > > Virus Database (VPS): 0627-3, 07/07/2006> Tested on: 7/8/2006 7:32:26 PM> avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.>

 

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Dear ??

Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can

do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you

That is fine by your standards, not mine

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Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

Padma Purana:

Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam

 

goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

 

shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

 

yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

 

According

to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done using Rudraksha mala;

so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri (Savitur) has Vedic

roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5

devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.

mysticalsense.

The pendulum of the mind alternates between

sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath

wrote:

>

>

>

>

> | om gurave namah |

> Dear Narasimha

>

> 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by using 12

> faced rudraksha.

>

> 2. I do.

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Sanjay Rath

>

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> Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM

> ; sohamsa ;

> vedic astrology

> Cc: sjcBoston

> Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see

> > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the

> > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of

> > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10

> > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha

and

> > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based

on

> > the number of mukhi, it is fine.

>

> Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be

> saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification

of

> your view.

>

> Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi

Rudraksha

> is prohibited for Gayatri?

>

>

> Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> Narasimha

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Dear Sanjay,

That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma Purana.

Thanks for your consideration though.

mysticalsense.The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear ??> > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you> > That is fine by your standards, not mine> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense> 18 December 2009 08:43 AM > sohamsa > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam> > > > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.> > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..> > > > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.> > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..> > > > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.> > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..> > > > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.> > mysticalsense.> > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.> > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" sanjayrath@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > | om gurave namah |> > Dear Narasimha> > > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by using 12> > faced rudraksha.> > > > 2. I do.> > Best wishes and warm regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/>> > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > ----> > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM> > ; sohamsa ;> > vedic astrology > > Cc: sjcBoston > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.> > > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be> > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification of> > your view.> > > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi Rudraksha> > is prohibited for Gayatri?> > > > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> > Narasimha> > -------------------------------> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.> > > > > > Virus Database (VPS): 0627-3, 07/07/2006> > Tested on: 7/8/2006 7:32:26 PM> > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.> >>

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om gurave namah

Dear MS

It is one Purana, there are others more superior

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

4504 8762

Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense

18 December 2009 08:00 PM

sohamsa

Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma Purana.

Thanks for your consideration though.

mysticalsense.

The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense

and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath

wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> om gurave namah

>

> Dear ??

>

> Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can do

gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you

>

> That is fine by your standards, not mine

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762

>

> Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf

Of mysticalsense

> 18 December 2009 08:43 AM

> sohamsa

> Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

>

>

>

>

>

> Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam

>

>

>

> goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

>

> gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

>

>

>

> shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

>

> deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

>

>

>

> yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

>

> sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

>

>

>

> According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done using

Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri (Savitur) has

Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including Vishnu, Surya

etc 5 devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.

>

> mysticalsense.

>

> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > | om gurave namah |

> > Dear Narasimha

> >

> > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by

using 12

> > faced rudraksha.

> >

> > 2. I do.

> > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü

<http://srath.com/blog/>

> > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody

> > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center

¡ü

> > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA

> > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest

¡ü

> > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications

> > ----

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM

> > ; sohamsa ;

> > vedic astrology

> > Cc: sjcBoston

> > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy

etc

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see

> > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness

of the

> > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types

of

> > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and

10

> > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face

rudraksha and

> > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata

based on

> > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.

> >

> > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem

to be

> > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this

clarification of

> > your view.

> >

> > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi

Rudraksha

> > is prohibited for Gayatri?

> >

> >

> > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> > Narasimha

> > -------------------------------

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > -------------------------------

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message

clean.

> >

> >

> > Virus Database (VPS): 0627-3, 07/07/2006

> > Tested on: 7/8/2006 7:32:26 PM

> > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.

> >

>

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Dear Sanjay,

Is there a category of Puranas superior to Mahapuranas?

Or, are the Mahapuranas graded amongst each other in order of superiority?

mysticalsense.The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear MS> > It is one Purana, there are others more superior> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense> 18 December 2009 08:00 PM > sohamsa > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma Purana.> > Thanks for your consideration though.> > mysticalsense.> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.> > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" sanjayrath@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > > Dear ??> > > > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you> > > > That is fine by your standards, not mine> > > > Best Wishes> > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense> > 18 December 2009 08:43 AM > > sohamsa > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > > > > > > > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam> > > > > > > > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.> > > > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..> > > > > > > > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.> > > > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..> > > > > > > > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.> > > > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..> > > > > > > > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.> > > > mysticalsense.> > > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.> > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" sanjayrath@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > Dear Narasimha> > > > > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by using 12> > > faced rudraksha.> > > > > > 2. I do.> > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü <http://srath.com/blog/>> > > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody> > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü> > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ü> > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > > ----> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM> > > ; sohamsa ;> > > vedic astrology > > > Cc: sjcBoston > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > > > > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> > > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> > > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> > > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> > > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> > > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> > > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.> > > > > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be> > > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification of> > > your view.> > > > > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi Rudraksha> > > is prohibited for Gayatri?> > > > > > > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> > > Narasimha> > > -------------------------------> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.> > > > > > > > > Virus Database (VPS): 0627-3, 07/07/2006> > > Tested on: 7/8/2006 7:32:26 PM> > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.> > >> >>

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om gurave namah

Dear MS

Yes the Mahapurana are graded

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

4504 8762

Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense

18 December 2009 09:13 PM

sohamsa

Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sanjay,

Is there a category of Puranas superior to Mahapuranas?

Or, are the Mahapuranas graded amongst each other in order of

superiority?

mysticalsense.

The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense

and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath

wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

> om gurave namah

>

> Dear MS

>

> It is one Purana, there are others more superior

>

> Best Wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762

>

> Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

>

>

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf

Of mysticalsense

> 18 December 2009 08:00 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma Purana.

>

> Thanks for your consideration though.

>

> mysticalsense.

> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear ??

> >

> > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can do

gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you

> >

> > That is fine by your standards, not mine

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504

8762

> >

> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > 18 December 2009 08:43 AM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy

etc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam

> >

> >

> >

> > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

> >

> > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

> >

> >

> >

> > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

> >

> > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

> >

> >

> >

> > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

> >

> > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

> >

> >

> >

> > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done

using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri

(Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including

Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.

> >

> > mysticalsense.

> >

> > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > | om gurave namah |

> > > Dear Narasimha

> > >

> > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results

by using 12

> > > faced rudraksha.

> > >

> > > 2. I do.

> > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ü

<http://srath.com/blog/>

> > > Rath¡Çs Rhapsody

> > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath

Center ¡ü

> > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ü <http://jiva.us/>

JIVA

> > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish

Digest ¡ü

> > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius

Publications

> > > ----

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]

On Behalf Of

> > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM

> > > ; sohamsa ;

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Cc: sjcBoston

> > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa

Analogy etc

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay,

> > >

> > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see

> > > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the

greatness of the

> > > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different

types of

> > > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya

and 10

> > > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face

rudraksha and

> > > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other

devata based on

> > > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.

> > >

> > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you

seem to be

> > > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this

clarification of

> > > your view.

> > >

> > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that

Panchamukhi Rudraksha

> > > is prohibited for Gayatri?

> > >

> > >

> > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> > > Narasimha

> > > -------------------------------

> > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > > -------------------------------

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message

clean.

> > >

> > >

> > > Virus Database (VPS): 0627-3, 07/07/2006

> > > Tested on: 7/8/2006 7:32:26 PM

> > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay,

Is it implied that the "Vyasa Uvacha" from Padma Purana (under which these shlokas are mentioned) will carry lesser weightage than "Vyasa Uvacha" of the Puranas supposedly superior to it?

Or, what else are you to trying to imply by saying that "It is one Purana, there are others more superior", please clarify.

And, may be you can point out the "superior source" to your statement that Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri, if so, it will be very enlightening.

mysticalsense.

The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear MS> > Yes the Mahapurana are graded> > Best Wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense> 18 December 2009 09:13 PM > sohamsa > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > Is there a category of Puranas superior to Mahapuranas?> > Or, are the Mahapuranas graded amongst each other in order of superiority?> > mysticalsense.> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.> > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" sanjayrath@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > > Dear MS> > > > It is one Purana, there are others more superior> > > > Best Wishes> > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense> > 18 December 2009 08:00 PM > > sohamsa > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > > > That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma Purana.> > > > Thanks for your consideration though.> > > > mysticalsense.> > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.> > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" sanjayrath@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > > > > Dear ??> > > > > > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you> > > > > > That is fine by your standards, not mine> > > > > > Best Wishes> > > > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504 8762> > > > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books: www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org> > > > > > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense> > > 18 December 2009 08:43 AM > > > sohamsa > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam> > > > > > > > > > > > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.> > > > > > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..> > > > > > > > > > > > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.> > > > > > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..> > > > > > > > > > > > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.> > > > > > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..> > > > > > > > > > > > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be done using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since Gayatri (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the preceeding shlokas.> > > > > > mysticalsense.> > > > > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.> > > > > > sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" sanjayrath@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > > Dear Narasimha> > > > > > > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results by using 12> > > > faced rudraksha.> > > > > > > > 2. I do.> > > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > > Sanjay Rath> > > > > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages ¡ÃÆ'¼ <http://srath.com/blog/>> > > > Rath¡ÃÆ'‡s Rhapsody> > > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center ¡ÃÆ'¼> > > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ÃÆ'¼ <http://jiva.us/> JIVA> > > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish Digest ¡ÃÆ'¼> > > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications> > > > ----> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of> > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> > > > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM> > > > ; sohamsa ;> > > > vedic astrology > > > > Cc: sjcBoston > > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sanjay,> > > > > > > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see> > > > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the greatness of the> > > > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different types of> > > > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya and 10> > > > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face rudraksha and> > > > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other devata based on> > > > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.> > > > > > > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now, you seem to be> > > > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this clarification of> > > > your view.> > > > > > > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that Panchamukhi Rudraksha> > > > is prohibited for Gayatri?> > > > > > > > > > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,> > > > Narasimha> > > > -------------------------------> > > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net> > > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org> > > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org> > > > -------------------------------> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____> > > > > > > > avast! Antivirus <http://www.avast.com> : Outbound message clean.> > > > > > > > > > > > Virus Database (VPS): 0627-3, 07/07/2006> > > > Tested on: 7/8/2006 7:32:26 PM> > > > avast! - copyright © 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Here's another one from Shiva Purana:Vidyeshvara Samhita: Chapter 25.

Rudrakshamahatmaya:

 

pa~nchadevapriyashchaiva sarvadevapriyastathA.

sarvamantrA~njapedbhakto rudrAxamAlayA priye..61..

 

Apart from this, this chapter also mentions that Rudraksha can be worn

by Vaishnavas.

 

Hari and Hara may just be smiling away while we people (created by Them)

who are subject to Their maya get deluded in/with/hence debate(s).

 

sohamsa , " mysticalsense " <sensemystical

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Is it implied that the " Vyasa Uvacha " from Padma Purana (under which

> these shlokas are mentioned) will carry lesser weightage than " Vyasa

> Uvacha " of the Puranas supposedly superior to it?

>

> Or, what else are you to trying to imply by saying that " It is one

> Purana, there are others more superior " , please clarify.

>

> And, may be you can point out the " superior source " to your statement

> that Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri, if so, it will be very

> enlightening.

>

>

> mysticalsense.

>

> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear MS

> >

> > Yes the Mahapurana are graded

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504

> 8762

> >

> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > 18 December 2009 09:13 PM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy

> etc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Is there a category of Puranas superior to Mahapuranas?

> >

> > Or, are the Mahapuranas graded amongst each other in order of

> superiority?

> >

> > mysticalsense.

> > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> >

> > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > >

> > > Dear MS

> > >

> > > It is one Purana, there are others more superior

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

4504

> 8762

> > >

> > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > > 18 December 2009 08:00 PM

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa

Analogy

> etc

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay,

> > >

> > > That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma

> Purana.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your consideration though.

> > >

> > > mysticalsense.

> > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense,

not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> > >

> > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > om gurave namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear ??

> > > >

> > > > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so we can

> do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you

> > > >

> > > > That is fine by your standards, not mine

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > >

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

> 4504 8762

> > > >

> > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > > > 18 December 2009 08:43 AM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa

> Analogy etc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha Mahatmayam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

> > > >

> > > > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

> > > >

> > > > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

> > > >

> > > > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently be

done

> using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since

Gayatri

> (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas

> (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the

> preceeding shlokas.

> > > >

> > > > mysticalsense.

> > > >

> > > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense,

> not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > | om gurave namah |

> > > > > Dear Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full results

> by using 12

> > > > > faced rudraksha.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I do.

> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Personal: <http://srath.com/blog/> WebPages

> ¡ÃÆ'¼ <http://srath.com/blog/>

> > > > > Rath¡ÃÆ'‡s Rhapsody

> > > > > SJC WebPages: <http://.org/> Sri Jagannath Center

> ¡ÃÆ'¼

> > > > > <http://sjcerc.com/> SJCERC ¡ÃÆ'¼

> <http://jiva.us/> JIVA

> > > > > Publications: <http://thejyotishdigest.com/> The Jyotish

Digest

> ¡ÃÆ'¼

> > > > > <http://sagittariuspublications.com/> Sagittarius Publications

> > > > >

> ----

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > _____

> > > > >

> > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]

> On Behalf Of

> > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM

> > > > > ; sohamsa ;

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Cc: sjcBoston

> > > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa

> Analogy etc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > >

> > > > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see

> > > > > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling the

greatness

> of the

> > > > > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the different

types

> of

> > > > > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is for Surya

and

> 10

> > > > > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this specific face

> rudraksha and

> > > > > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any other

devata

> based on

> > > > > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri. Now,

you

> seem to be

> > > > > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for this

> clarification of

> > > > > your view.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that

> Panchamukhi Rudraksha

> > > > > is prohibited for Gayatri?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> > > > > Narasimha

> > > > >

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om gurave namah

There seems to be some qualifiers for this -

ten mukhi is worn by Vaishnavas for doing Shiva puja

12 mukhi worn by Surya worshippers for Shiva puja ...

in this manner every rudraksha has a qualifying devata under the

overlordship of Shiva as in Shiva linga which is the devalaya. The argument

then is that since the Shiva Linga is the devalaya then every devata therein

has a rudraksha that suits the position in the devalaya. Here the view of

Vishnu is as a part of the Shiva Linga or the pillar of light called Atma linga

or Agni Linga or sthambha ...and so many other similies. It is a top-down

perspective with Shiva as the center of worship. This concept is explained well

with the pancha devata puja where depending on ones Ishta, the devata is in the

center and the other four are in the four corners. End of the day, everything

can be worn by everybody, so what is the use of any differentiation? The

rudraksha is the same as the tulasi, and so on and we can say, well theyare all

plant kingdom produce, thats why. !!

Then the power of differentiation called *viveka* is lost

due to the extension of logic done blindly without cosndiering the wisdom of

such arguments.

Best Wishes

Sanjay Rath

15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

4504 8762

Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

 

 

 

 

sohamsa

[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense

23 December 2009 02:09 PM

sohamsa

Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's another one from Shiva Purana:Vidyeshvara Samhita: Chapter 25.

Rudrakshamahatmaya:

 

pa~nchadevapriyashchaiva sarvadevapriyastathA.

sarvamantrA~njapedbhakto rudrAxamAlayA priye..61..

 

Apart from this, this chapter also mentions that Rudraksha can be worn

by Vaishnavas.

 

Hari and Hara may just be smiling away while we people (created by Them)

who are subject to Their maya get deluded in/with/hence debate(s).

 

sohamsa ,

" mysticalsense " <sensemystical

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Is it implied that the " Vyasa Uvacha " from Padma Purana (under

which

> these shlokas are mentioned) will carry lesser weightage than " Vyasa

> Uvacha " of the Puranas supposedly superior to it?

>

> Or, what else are you to trying to imply by saying that " It is one

> Purana, there are others more superior " , please clarify.

>

> And, may be you can point out the " superior source " to your

statement

> that Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri, if so, it will be very

> enlightening.

>

>

> mysticalsense.

>

> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

>

> sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear MS

> >

> > Yes the Mahapurana are graded

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504

> 8762

> >

> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > 18 December 2009 09:13 PM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy

> etc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Is there a category of Puranas superior to Mahapuranas?

> >

> > Or, are the Mahapuranas graded amongst each other in order of

> superiority?

> >

> > mysticalsense.

> > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> >

> > sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > >

> > > Dear MS

> > >

> > > It is one Purana, there are others more superior

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

4504

> 8762

> > >

> > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > > 18 December 2009 08:00 PM

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa

Analogy

> etc

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay,

> > >

> > > That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma

> Purana.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your consideration though.

> > >

> > > mysticalsense.

> > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense,

not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> > >

> > > sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > om gurave namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear ??

> > > >

> > > > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so

we can

> do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you

> > > >

> > > > That is fine by your standards, not mine

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > >

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91

(011)

> 4504 8762

> > > >

> > > > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > > > 18 December 2009 08:43 AM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters,

Samputa

> Analogy etc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha

Mahatmayam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

> > > >

> > > > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

> > > >

> > > > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

> > > >

> > > > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently

be

done

> using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since

Gayatri

> (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas

> (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the

> preceeding shlokas.

> > > >

> > > > mysticalsense.

> > > >

> > > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and

nonsense,

> not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > | om gurave namah |

> > > > > Dear Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full

results

> by using 12

> > > > > faced rudraksha.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I do.

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> > > > > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM

> > > > > ;

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> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Cc: sjcBoston

> > > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters,

Samputa

> Analogy etc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > >

> > > > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see

> > > > > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling

the

greatness

> of the

> > > > > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the

different

types

> of

> > > > > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is

for Surya

and

> 10

> > > > > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this

specific face

> rudraksha and

> > > > > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any

other

devata

> based on

> > > > > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri.

Now,

you

> seem to be

> > > > > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for

this

> clarification of

> > > > > your view.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that

> Panchamukhi Rudraksha

> > > > > is prohibited for Gayatri?

> > > > >

> > > > >

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OM SHRI LAKSHMI NARASIMHAAYA NAMAHDear Sanjay Ji,Namaste.

I also agree with you in this regard.For Vishnu Bhaktas,they can wear Rudrakashas as well.Now I am a Madhva Sampradaya follower.If anybody reads Acharya Madhva's history,it is very clear that Lord Vishnu/Lord Shiva are the 2 faces of a coin.If you visit Udipi,the famous shrine for Lord Krishna which was installed by Acharya Madhva,near to it there are two ancient Lord Shiva temples by name Shri Anantheshwara Temple and another Shri Chandra Mouleshvara temple.Shri Anantheshwara temple was built by Arjuna !!! Now during His time, Acharya Madhva used to preach about His Sampradayas,He used to sit inside Shri Anantheshvara temple and gave His preachings.During His end, he disappeared from  Shri Anantheshvara temple while giving speech/discourse to His Shishya/Followers..Even now,a lamp is being lit daily to give respect to HIm in that temple.Now one can see the beauty of this place where we can find two Shiva temples and a Lord Krishna temple in between.So what does they mean ? Are they not one ???

Even while performing Shri Krishna janmashtami pooja and Sri Satya Narayana pooja,Bilva patra along with Tulasi leaves are being offered along with other leaves.But I never seen Tulasi leaves are being offered to Lord Shiva in any temple.Still I did not get any favourable answer.

With Shri Hari Vayu Guru Naama Smarana,Ramadas Rao.

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Sanjay Rath <sanjayrath wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

om gurave namah

There seems to be some qualifiers for this -

ten mukhi is worn by Vaishnavas for doing Shiva puja

12 mukhi worn by Surya worshippers for Shiva puja ...

in this manner every rudraksha has a qualifying devata under the

overlordship of Shiva as in Shiva linga which is the devalaya. The argument

then is that since the Shiva Linga is the devalaya then every devata therein

has a rudraksha that suits the position in the devalaya. Here the view of

Vishnu is as a part of the Shiva Linga or the pillar of light called Atma linga

or Agni Linga or sthambha ...and so many other similies. It is a top-down

perspective with Shiva as the center of worship. This concept is explained well

with the pancha devata puja where depending on ones Ishta, the devata is in the

center and the other four are in the four corners. End of the day, everything

can be worn by everybody, so what is the use of any differentiation? The

rudraksha is the same as the tulasi, and so on and we can say, well theyare all

plant kingdom produce, thats why. !!

Then the power of differentiation called *viveka* is lost

due to the extension of logic done blindly without cosndiering the wisdom of

such arguments.

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[sohamsa ] On Behalf Of mysticalsense

23 December 2009 02:09 PM

sohamsa

Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's another one from Shiva Purana:Vidyeshvara Samhita: Chapter 25.

Rudrakshamahatmaya:

 

pa~nchadevapriyashchaiva sarvadevapriyastathA.

sarvamantrA~njapedbhakto rudrAxamAlayA priye..61..

 

Apart from this, this chapter also mentions that Rudraksha can be worn

by Vaishnavas.

 

Hari and Hara may just be smiling away while we people (created by Them)

who are subject to Their maya get deluded in/with/hence debate(s).

 

sohamsa ,

" mysticalsense " <sensemystical

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Is it implied that the " Vyasa Uvacha " from Padma Purana (under

which

> these shlokas are mentioned) will carry lesser weightage than " Vyasa

> Uvacha " of the Puranas supposedly superior to it?

>

> Or, what else are you to trying to imply by saying that " It is one

> Purana, there are others more superior " , please clarify.

>

> And, may be you can point out the " superior source " to your

statement

> that Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri, if so, it will be very

> enlightening.

>

>

> mysticalsense.

>

> The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

>

> sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear MS

> >

> > Yes the Mahapurana are graded

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011) 4504

> 8762

> >

> > Readings: www.srath.com; Courses: www.sohamsa.com; Books:

> www.sagittariuspublications.com; Community: www..org

> >

> >

> >

> > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > 18 December 2009 09:13 PM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa Analogy

> etc

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > Is there a category of Puranas superior to Mahapuranas?

> >

> > Or, are the Mahapuranas graded amongst each other in order of

> superiority?

> >

> > mysticalsense.

> > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> >

> > sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > >

> > > Dear MS

> > >

> > > It is one Purana, there are others more superior

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91 (011)

4504

> 8762

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > > 18 December 2009 08:00 PM

> > > sohamsa

> > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters, Samputa

Analogy

> etc

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay,

> > >

> > > That is not what is mentioned in the shlokas quoted from Padma

> Purana.

> > >

> > > Thanks for your consideration though.

> > >

> > > mysticalsense.

> > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense,

not

> between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> > >

> > > sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > om gurave namah

> > > >

> > > > Dear ??

> > > >

> > > > Gayatri has 24 devata, so Shiva should be one of them, so

we can

> do gayatri with rudraksha ...that seems to be the logic used by you

> > > >

> > > > That is fine by your standards, not mine

> > > >

> > > > Best Wishes

> > > >

> > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > >

> > > > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India; +91

(011)

> 4504 8762

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa

[sohamsa ]

On

> Behalf Of mysticalsense

> > > > 18 December 2009 08:43 AM

> > > > sohamsa

> > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters,

Samputa

> Analogy etc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Padma Purana: Srishti Khanda: Chapter 59: Rudraksha

Mahatmayam

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > goShThechatuShpathAgAreviShNormaMtraMshivasyacha.

> > > >

> > > > gaNapateshchasuuryasyaligenaMtaphalaMlabhet..125..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > shuunyAgAreshavasyAgreshmashAnechachatuShpathe.

> > > >

> > > > deviimaMtraMjapedyastusadyassidhyastisAdhakaH..126..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > yAvacchAvaidikaMmaMtraMpaurANaMchAmodbhavaM.

> > > >

> > > > sarvaMrudrAxamAlAyAmiipsiteShTArthadAyakaM..127..

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > According to 127, Vedic and Puranic mantras can apparently

be

done

> using Rudraksha mala; so there should be no contradiction since

Gayatri

> (Savitur) has Vedic roots. Apart from that, mantras of other devatas

> (including Vishnu, Surya etc 5 devatas) are also included in the

> preceeding shlokas.

> > > >

> > > > mysticalsense.

> > > >

> > > > The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and

nonsense,

> not between right and wrong. Carl Jung.

> > > >

> > > > sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > | om gurave namah |

> > > > > Dear Narasimha

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Not fine, ok. You can get some results but not full

results

> by using 12

> > > > > faced rudraksha.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. I do.

> > > > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > > > Sanjay Rath

> > > > >

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> > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao

> > > > > Friday, July 07, 2006 9:54 AM

> > > > > ;

sohamsa ;

> > > > > vedic astrology

> > > > > Cc: sjcBoston

> > > > > Re: Miscellany: Counting Letters,

Samputa

> Analogy etc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sanjay,

> > > > >

> > > > > > To Mr Arjuna: Narasimha please also see

> > > > > > 4. The reference in the Siva Purana is extolling

the

greatness

> of the

> > > > > > rudraksha after describing the mantras for the

different

types

> of

> > > > > > Rudraksha. For example the 12 mukhi rudraksha is

for Surya

and

> 10

> > > > > > mukhi is for Vishnu. If you are using this

specific face

> rudraksha and

> > > > > > also doing the mantras of Surya or Vishnu or any

other

devata

> based on

> > > > > > the number of mukhi, it is fine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Earlier, you said Rudraksha is prohibited for Gayatri.

Now,

you

> seem to be

> > > > > saying that 12 faced Rudraksha is fine. Thank you for

this

> clarification of

> > > > > your view.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now, do you have any scriptural basis for saying that

> Panchamukhi Rudraksha

> > > > > is prohibited for Gayatri?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Sarvam SreeKrishnaarpanamastu,

> > > > > Narasimha

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