Why should fasting on Thursday make the native angry?

July 19, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste,

A native approached me about his issues in marriage. After looking at

his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays (since UL lord is

exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th house).

After doing this remedy, the native gave the following feedback:

I have been noticing that I get very angry on Thursday and I get very

much frustrated also. As a result of this I start remembering all the

things that I have done or have been done to me.

* * *

Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of GMT, 77E12, 28N36

My question is - why should the native feel angry particularly on

Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or something more? I

notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis. But that should

mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It doesn't mean that

the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try to save his

marriage, correct?

So are there any other indications, which I might have missed, that

suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays since he began

fasting?

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

July 19, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste Bojan-ji,

Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL

better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the native. He

seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him the

power to do so.

Thank you once again, and best wishes.

May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

Reema.

sohamsa , bojan vidakovic <janbovid wrote:

>

> HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that

> should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and

> ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that

> when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the

> lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,

> esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,

> short temper, but after some time of regular fast it

> will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that

> particular day, it will save his marriage and fix

> problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine

> after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must

> keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic

> OM TAT SAT

> --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh wrote:

>

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > A native approached me about his issues in marriage.

> > After looking at

> > his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays

> > (since UL lord is

> > exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th

> > house).

> >

> > After doing this remedy, the native gave the

> > following feedback:

> >

> > I have been noticing that I get very angry on

> > Thursday and I get very

> > much frustrated also. As a result of this I start

> > remembering all the

> > things that I have done or have been done to me.

> >

> > * * *

> >

> > Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of

> > GMT, 77E12, 28N36

> >

> > My question is - why should the native feel angry

> > particularly on

> > Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or

> > something more? I

> > notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.

> > But that should

> > mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It

> > doesn't mean that

> > the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try

> > to save his

> > marriage, correct?

> >

> > So are there any other indications, which I might

> > have missed, that

> > suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays

> > since he began

> > fasting?

> >

> > Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > Reema.

> >

>

July 20, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Reema-ji,

Namaskar. Kindly notice two things. One, the native should take fasting in steps (as everyone should). Head, if deprived of glucose, suffers. Hence body should take time to fasting is steps to adjust. First ask him to have fast on cold milk/icecream etc and also fruits if he likes. Then after 2-3 months, only cold milk and water; and after 4 months, as he gradually reduces milk, only water. Then still further, he can even eliminate water (if he wants).

Second, UL in the 8th shows rina is large. UL is typically misunderstood as only marriage. However, UL represents sumtotal of what we ought to give back to the world, large part of it typically is to wife because marriage is biggest area of compromise for a typical person. A paapa graha in the UL and 2nd from UL prevents giving thereby trying to perpetuate the rina or make it evolve into further debts. Hence, it is best to propitiate the deity associated with the 2nd from UL after fasting on UL day. Ask him to worship Chandi Mata after the fast in the evening before he takes food. Moreover, he should donate to poor brahmins (Shani in Meena in UL) or orphans or poor people in general and the donations should be done only on Thursdays !! And most importantly, he should wear a yellow sapphire to counteract Rahu in 9th in MKS/Badhak; and this also strengthens his Guru/UL and VRY. AK is in debility in Navamsa and this debility is removed by Shukra in kendra with Ishtakaraka Rahu. Clearly, worshipping Durga will strengthen atma-bala and remove the Badhaka effects (together with strong Guru).

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================

sohamsa , "reema_sriganesh" <reema_sriganesh wrote:>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Bojan-ji,> > Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL> better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the native. He> seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him the> power to do so.> > Thank you once again, and best wishes.> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> Reema.> > sohamsa , bojan vidakovic janbovid@ wrote:> >> > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that> > should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and> > ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that> > when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the> > lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,> > esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,> > short temper, but after some time of regular fast it> > will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that> > particular day, it will save his marriage and fix> > problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine> > after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must> > keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic> > OM TAT SAT> > --- reema_sriganesh reema_sriganesh@ wrote:> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > A native approached me about his issues in marriage.> > > After looking at> > > his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays> > > (since UL lord is> > > exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th> > > house).> > > > > > After doing this remedy, the native gave the> > > following feedback:> > > > > > I have been noticing that I get very angry on> > > Thursday and I get very> > > much frustrated also. As a result of this I start> > > remembering all the> > > things that I have done or have been done to me.> > > > > > * * *> > > > > > Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of> > > GMT, 77E12, 28N36> > > > > > My question is - why should the native feel angry> > > particularly on> > > Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or> > > something more? I> > > notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.> > > But that should> > > mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It> > > doesn't mean that> > > the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try> > > to save his> > > marriage, correct?> > > > > > So are there any other indications, which I might> > > have missed, that> > > suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays> > > since he began> > > fasting?> > > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated.> > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > > Reema.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>

July 20, 2006

Dear Freedom,

I sincerely hope that you do not presume to have the spiritual

authority to recommend divorce. This will be the downfall of jyotish

in the West, and already seems to be a commonplace in many circles.

Your technical abilities are not in question; what is worrisome to me

is the karma borne by both jyotishi and native for destroying families

and engineering self-fulfilling prophecies. I have not even looked at

the chart in question (though I hope to do so soon and email Reema

off-list). I think SJC sgould build into its charter a way of

ensuring that jyotishis avoid precisely the tone your email

exemplifies, which seems more in the spirit of a commandment or

directive than a diplomatic and compassionate offering, infused with

humility and bedside manner.

Respectfully,

J.I. Abbot

sohamsa , " freeflowaum " <freeflowaum wrote:

>

> Hare Rama Krsna

>

> Reema,

> Do not be attached to individual desires of native or your own personal

> ideals about relationships, unattachment brings clear sightedness. The

> Upapada is heavily afflicted and there should have been a kumbha vivaha

> before the native was married, so the UL could have been broken, but too

> late now.

> Bojan,

> The unmada is on the UL, which means the wife has lost it,

irrational anger

> and depression (Saturn in first and Mars in seventh-to UL). To check

if this

> is the correct wife we are speaking of, she would have a heavily

afflicted

> (or MKS) Mars and Saturn in HER natal chart, based on upon his UL.

And UL

> fasting will not remove her unmada, only promote marriage.

> That same Mars-Saturn is a poverty yoga from the native's lagna

(malefics in

> 2nd and 8th). So after the vivaha (marriage), the native would

become poor

> and the wife would become 'mad'. This is a cursed UL (cursed

marriage) and

> in these cases it will be seen that the native's spouse will also have a

> curse on their UL. Now if the curse is on your head, you cannot get

out of

> it, but when a curse is on your marriage, then it is possible to let the

> curse go.

>

> Secondly, the sustaining factor in this marriage is maranakaraka

sthana Rahu

> (second from UL) and this is on his AL. The marriage had little

chance of

> lasting to begin with because a dying malefic is feeding it. The

vivaha's

> breaking has ruined the native's name and reputation, the longer the

break

> lasts the more damage there will be to the native's image (what

people think

> of him and how he is socially percieved).

>

> The breaking of the vivaha will benefit both the native and his

wife! She

> will regain some sanity and the native will be able to do remedy for his

> financial problems. The two people will actually be able to get

along much

> better after divorce. In this chart, Bagala worship will break the

marriage.

> Fasting will only prolong the suffering of both natives. Therefore,

first

> have the native do mantra of Bagala Devi.

>

> Then after divorce, the native should perform kumbha vivaha (as next

UL is

> on Ketu-Rahu axis) and Rahu is MKS as already mentioned (another

problemed

> marriage). The third UL, his next marriage after divorce and kumba

vivaha

> will prove very beneficial as it contains an uccha Moon. With this

marriage

> he will prosper financially and his dharma will grow in many ways.

Jupiter

> is uccha banga being uplifted by this uccha Moon that will be

activated by

> the third marriage. With the worship of Krsna he will be able to

attain his

> beneficial UL in his upcoming Jupiter Moon Mula dasha (if he is

completely

> divorced and has performed kumbha vivaha) by that time.

>

> Namah Sivaya

>

> _____

>

> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

Behalf Of

> reema_sriganesh

> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:32 PM

> sohamsa

> Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the

native angry?

>

> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>

> Namaste Bojan-ji,

>

> Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL

> better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the native. He

> seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him the

> power to do so.

>

> Thank you once again, and best wishes.

>

> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> Reema.

>

> sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com,

bojan

> vidakovic <janbovid@> wrote:

> >

> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that

> > should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and

> > ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that

> > when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the

> > lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,

> > esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,

> > short temper, but after some time of regular fast it

> > will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that

> > particular day, it will save his marriage and fix

> > problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine

> > after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must

> > keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic

> > OM TAT SAT

> > --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:

> >

> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > A native approached me about his issues in marriage.

> > > After looking at

> > > his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays

> > > (since UL lord is

> > > exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th

> > > house).

> > >

> > > After doing this remedy, the native gave the

> > > following feedback:

> > >

> > > I have been noticing that I get very angry on

> > > Thursday and I get very

> > > much frustrated also. As a result of this I start

> > > remembering all the

> > > things that I have done or have been done to me.

> > >

> > > * * *

> > >

> > > Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of

> > > GMT, 77E12, 28N36

> > >

> > > My question is - why should the native feel angry

> > > particularly on

> > > Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or

> > > something more? I

> > > notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.

> > > But that should

> > > mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It

> > > doesn't mean that

> > > the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try

> > > to save his

> > > marriage, correct?

> > >

> > > So are there any other indications, which I might

> > > have missed, that

> > > suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays

> > > since he began

> > > fasting?

> > >

> > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > Reema.

> > >

> >

> > http://mail. <>

> >

>

July 20, 2006

I agree with your statements on ethics of jyotishi.

regards / Prafulla Gang

In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always

an easy sacrifice.

>

> j.abbot

> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 05:06:30 -0000

> sohamsa

> Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the native

> angry?

>

> Dear Freedom,

>

> I sincerely hope that you do not presume to have the spiritual

> authority to recommend divorce. This will be the downfall of jyotish

> in the West, and already seems to be a commonplace in many circles.

> Your technical abilities are not in question; what is worrisome to me

> is the karma borne by both jyotishi and native for destroying families

> and engineering self-fulfilling prophecies. I have not even looked at

> the chart in question (though I hope to do so soon and email Reema

> off-list). I think SJC sgould build into its charter a way of

> ensuring that jyotishis avoid precisely the tone your email

> exemplifies, which seems more in the spirit of a commandment or

> directive than a diplomatic and compassionate offering, infused with

> humility and bedside manner.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> J.I. Abbot

>

> sohamsa , " freeflowaum " <freeflowaum wrote:

>>

>> Hare Rama Krsna

>>

>> Reema,

>> Do not be attached to individual desires of native or your own personal

>> ideals about relationships, unattachment brings clear sightedness. The

>> Upapada is heavily afflicted and there should have been a kumbha vivaha

>> before the native was married, so the UL could have been broken, but too

>> late now.

>> Bojan,

>> The unmada is on the UL, which means the wife has lost it,

> irrational anger

>> and depression (Saturn in first and Mars in seventh-to UL). To check

> if this

>> is the correct wife we are speaking of, she would have a heavily

> afflicted

>> (or MKS) Mars and Saturn in HER natal chart, based on upon his UL.

> And UL

>> fasting will not remove her unmada, only promote marriage.

>> That same Mars-Saturn is a poverty yoga from the native's lagna

> (malefics in

>> 2nd and 8th). So after the vivaha (marriage), the native would

> become poor

>> and the wife would become 'mad'. This is a cursed UL (cursed

> marriage) and

>> in these cases it will be seen that the native's spouse will also have a

>> curse on their UL. Now if the curse is on your head, you cannot get

> out of

>> it, but when a curse is on your marriage, then it is possible to let the

>> curse go.

>>

>> Secondly, the sustaining factor in this marriage is maranakaraka

> sthana Rahu

>> (second from UL) and this is on his AL. The marriage had little

> chance of

>> lasting to begin with because a dying malefic is feeding it. The

> vivaha's

>> breaking has ruined the native's name and reputation, the longer the

> break

>> lasts the more damage there will be to the native's image (what

> people think

>> of him and how he is socially percieved).

>>

>> The breaking of the vivaha will benefit both the native and his

> wife! She

>> will regain some sanity and the native will be able to do remedy for his

>> financial problems. The two people will actually be able to get

> along much

>> better after divorce. In this chart, Bagala worship will break the

> marriage.

>> Fasting will only prolong the suffering of both natives. Therefore,

> first

>> have the native do mantra of Bagala Devi.

>>

>> Then after divorce, the native should perform kumbha vivaha (as next

> UL is

>> on Ketu-Rahu axis) and Rahu is MKS as already mentioned (another

> problemed

>> marriage). The third UL, his next marriage after divorce and kumba

> vivaha

>> will prove very beneficial as it contains an uccha Moon. With this

> marriage

>> he will prosper financially and his dharma will grow in many ways.

> Jupiter

>> is uccha banga being uplifted by this uccha Moon that will be

> activated by

>> the third marriage. With the worship of Krsna he will be able to

> attain his

>> beneficial UL in his upcoming Jupiter Moon Mula dasha (if he is

> completely

>> divorced and has performed kumbha vivaha) by that time.

>>

>> Namah Sivaya

>>

>> _____

>>

>> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of

>> reema_sriganesh

>> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:32 PM

>> sohamsa

>> Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the

> native angry?

>>

>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>

>> Namaste Bojan-ji,

>>

>> Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL

>> better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the native. He

>> seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him the

>> power to do so.

>>

>> Thank you once again, and best wishes.

>>

>> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

>> Reema.

>>

>> sohamsa@ <sohamsa%40> .com,

> bojan

>> vidakovic <janbovid@> wrote:

>>>

>>> HARE RAMA KRISHNA

>>> Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that

>>> should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and

>>> ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that

>>> when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the

>>> lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,

>>> esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,

>>> short temper, but after some time of regular fast it

>>> will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that

>>> particular day, it will save his marriage and fix

>>> problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine

>>> after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must

>>> keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic

>>> OM TAT SAT

>>> --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:

>>>

>>>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>>>

>>>> Namaste,

>>>>

>>>> A native approached me about his issues in marriage.

>>>> After looking at

>>>> his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays

>>>> (since UL lord is

>>>> exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th

>>>> house).

>>>>

>>>> After doing this remedy, the native gave the

>>>> following feedback:

>>>>

>>>> I have been noticing that I get very angry on

>>>> Thursday and I get very

>>>> much frustrated also. As a result of this I start

>>>> remembering all the

>>>> things that I have done or have been done to me.

>>>>

>>>> * * *

>>>>

>>>> Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of

>>>> GMT, 77E12, 28N36

>>>>

>>>> My question is - why should the native feel angry

>>>> particularly on

>>>> Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or

>>>> something more? I

>>>> notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.

>>>> But that should

>>>> mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It

>>>> doesn't mean that

>>>> the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try

>>>> to save his

>>>> marriage, correct?

>>>>

>>>> So are there any other indications, which I might

>>>> have missed, that

>>>> suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays

>>>> since he began

>>>> fasting?

>>>>

>>>> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

>>>>

>>>> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

>>>> Reema.

>>>>

>>>

>>> http://mail. <>

>>>

>>

July 20, 2006

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Mr. Abbot,

PLease post your analysis on the list of the chart in question.I'd

like to see how you are able to make something nice out of something

that can be causing both parties alot of pain and destruction.

undoubtably the UL is severly afflicted. Of course many angles would

need to be checked before the original opinion is confirmed.

No one needs to have " spiritual authority " , but an astrologer needs

common sense.

I'd rather take the karma for supposedly " destoying a marraige " than

taking the karma of seeing a badly afflicted chart and recommending

something that in all probablity wont work as the relationship is

not destined to survive, or worse yet, encourage some lady/man to

stick around in a marraige while her husband/wife abuses them, and

perhaps kills them -while I sit back and told tell them to " work it

out " (while I attmept to play God encouraging them to stay

together,,, it goes both ways!) Look how many people children will

suffer if they kill each other or make each others life hellish.

Some marriages are just a living hell.While others can work with

some help.

Yes, Ive seen and heard all sorts of things.

Freedom was just relating what he thought about the astrological

content, I dont think you can jump on him so easy for that.He wasnt

replying directly to the person/client he was attempting to give is

astrological assessment of the situation for some ohter

astrologers.Everyone is free to do so.

best wishes

Lakshmi

sohamsa , " j.abbot " <j.abbot wrote:

>

> Dear Freedom,

>

> I sincerely hope that you do not presume to have the spiritual

> authority to recommend divorce. This will be the downfall of

jyotish

> in the West, and already seems to be a commonplace in many

circles.

> Your technical abilities are not in question; what is worrisome to

me

> is the karma borne by both jyotishi and native for destroying

families

> and engineering self-fulfilling prophecies. I have not even

looked at

> the chart in question (though I hope to do so soon and email Reema

> off-list). I think SJC sgould build into its charter a way of

> ensuring that jyotishis avoid precisely the tone your email

> exemplifies, which seems more in the spirit of a commandment or

> directive than a diplomatic and compassionate offering, infused

with

> humility and bedside manner.

>

> Respectfully,

>

> J.I. Abbot

>

> sohamsa , " freeflowaum " <freeflowaum@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna

> >

> > Reema,

> > Do not be attached to individual desires of native or your own

personal

> > ideals about relationships, unattachment brings clear

sightedness. The

> > Upapada is heavily afflicted and there should have been a kumbha

vivaha

> > before the native was married, so the UL could have been broken,

but too

> > late now.

> > Bojan,

> > The unmada is on the UL, which means the wife has lost it,

> irrational anger

> > and depression (Saturn in first and Mars in seventh-to UL). To

check

> if this

> > is the correct wife we are speaking of, she would have a heavily

> afflicted

> > (or MKS) Mars and Saturn in HER natal chart, based on upon his

UL.

> And UL

> > fasting will not remove her unmada, only promote marriage.

> > That same Mars-Saturn is a poverty yoga from the native's lagna

> (malefics in

> > 2nd and 8th). So after the vivaha (marriage), the native would

> become poor

> > and the wife would become 'mad'. This is a cursed UL (cursed

> marriage) and

> > in these cases it will be seen that the native's spouse will

also have a

> > curse on their UL. Now if the curse is on your head, you cannot

get

> out of

> > it, but when a curse is on your marriage, then it is possible to

let the

> > curse go.

> >

> > Secondly, the sustaining factor in this marriage is maranakaraka

> sthana Rahu

> > (second from UL) and this is on his AL. The marriage had little

> chance of

> > lasting to begin with because a dying malefic is feeding it. The

> vivaha's

> > breaking has ruined the native's name and reputation, the longer

the

> break

> > lasts the more damage there will be to the native's image (what

> people think

> > of him and how he is socially percieved).

> >

> > The breaking of the vivaha will benefit both the native and his

> wife! She

> > will regain some sanity and the native will be able to do remedy

for his

> > financial problems. The two people will actually be able to get

> along much

> > better after divorce. In this chart, Bagala worship will break

the

> marriage.

> > Fasting will only prolong the suffering of both natives.

Therefore,

> first

> > have the native do mantra of Bagala Devi.

> >

> > Then after divorce, the native should perform kumbha vivaha (as

> > on Ketu-Rahu axis) and Rahu is MKS as already mentioned (another

> problemed

> > marriage). The third UL, his next marriage after divorce and

kumba

> vivaha

> > will prove very beneficial as it contains an uccha Moon. With

this

> marriage

> > he will prosper financially and his dharma will grow in many

ways.

> Jupiter

> > is uccha banga being uplifted by this uccha Moon that will be

> activated by

> > the third marriage. With the worship of Krsna he will be able to

> attain his

> > beneficial UL in his upcoming Jupiter Moon Mula dasha (if he is

> completely

> > divorced and has performed kumbha vivaha) by that time.

> >

> > Namah Sivaya

> >

> > _____

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

> Behalf Of

> > reema_sriganesh

> > Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:32 PM

> > sohamsa

> > Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the

> native angry?

> >

> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> >

> > Namaste Bojan-ji,

> >

> > Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL

> > better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the

native. He

> > seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him

the

> > power to do so.

> >

> > Thank you once again, and best wishes.

> >

> > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > Reema.

> >

> > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%

40> .com,

> bojan

> > vidakovic <janbovid@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA

> > > Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that

> > > should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and

> > > ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that

> > > when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the

> > > lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,

> > > esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,

> > > short temper, but after some time of regular fast it

> > > will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that

> > > particular day, it will save his marriage and fix

> > > problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine

> > > after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must

> > > keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic

> > > OM TAT SAT

> > > --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > A native approached me about his issues in marriage.

> > > > After looking at

> > > > his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays

> > > > (since UL lord is

> > > > exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th

> > > > house).

> > > >

> > > > After doing this remedy, the native gave the

> > > > following feedback:

> > > >

> > > > I have been noticing that I get very angry on

> > > > Thursday and I get very

> > > > much frustrated also. As a result of this I start

> > > > remembering all the

> > > > things that I have done or have been done to me.

> > > >

> > > > * * *

> > > >

> > > > Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of

> > > > GMT, 77E12, 28N36

> > > >

> > > > My question is - why should the native feel angry

> > > > particularly on

> > > > Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or

> > > > something more? I

> > > > notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.

> > > > But that should

> > > > mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It

> > > > doesn't mean that

> > > > the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try

> > > > to save his

> > > > marriage, correct?

> > > >

> > > > So are there any other indications, which I might

> > > > have missed, that

> > > > suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays

> > > > since he began

> > > > fasting?

> > > >

> > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

> > > > Reema.

> > > >

> > >

> > > http://mail. <>

> > >

> >

>

July 20, 2006

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Lakshmi-ji,

Namaskar. Either way you are 'playing God' - by participating or by sitting back (in full knowledge that you can influence the situation). Hence it is not the argument. The thought behind is subtle and transcends western/eastern demarkation. Jyotisha should have full faith in God and realize that his own tendencies/inclinations are promptings of God only. He is only a nimitta. If your heart goes out to remedy a situation and bring immediate relief if it good within this idea that God is making you do so. If your heart says no let him suffer and via that burn his karma it is again God's will. It also means that the wife is going through a painful suffering part which cleanses her karma and gives direction to her atman so that she may not seek further fulfilment in next relationship (if that is good for her). How do we know ?

The bottomline is that a Jyotishi should, in my opinion, show light/jyoti and let events take course. Too much talk generates heat instead of the divine and blissful light that jyoti is supposed to be.

Now let us smile and not argue for we do not know our own follies much.

Best wishes,

Sourav

==================================================================

sohamsa , "lakshmikary" <lakshmikary wrote:>> Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Mr. Abbot,> PLease post your analysis on the list of the chart in question.I'd > like to see how you are able to make something nice out of something > that can be causing both parties alot of pain and destruction.> > undoubtably the UL is severly afflicted. Of course many angles would > need to be checked before the original opinion is confirmed.> No one needs to have "spiritual authority", but an astrologer needs > common sense.> I'd rather take the karma for supposedly "destoying a marraige" than > taking the karma of seeing a badly afflicted chart and recommending > something that in all probablity wont work as the relationship is > not destined to survive, or worse yet, encourage some lady/man to > stick around in a marraige while her husband/wife abuses them, and > perhaps kills them -while I sit back and told tell them to "work it > out" (while I attmept to play God encouraging them to stay > together,,, it goes both ways!) Look how many people children will > suffer if they kill each other or make each others life hellish.> Some marriages are just a living hell.While others can work with > some help.> Yes, Ive seen and heard all sorts of things.> Freedom was just relating what he thought about the astrological > content, I dont think you can jump on him so easy for that.He wasnt > replying directly to the person/client he was attempting to give is > astrological assessment of the situation for some ohter > astrologers.Everyone is free to do so.> best wishes> Lakshmi> > > > > sohamsa , "j.abbot" j.abbot@ wrote:> >> > Dear Freedom,> > > > I sincerely hope that you do not presume to have the spiritual> > authority to recommend divorce. This will be the downfall of > jyotish> > in the West, and already seems to be a commonplace in many > circles. > > Your technical abilities are not in question; what is worrisome to > me> > is the karma borne by both jyotishi and native for destroying > families> > and engineering self-fulfilling prophecies. I have not even > looked at> > the chart in question (though I hope to do so soon and email Reema> > off-list). I think SJC sgould build into its charter a way of> > ensuring that jyotishis avoid precisely the tone your email> > exemplifies, which seems more in the spirit of a commandment or> > directive than a diplomatic and compassionate offering, infused > with> > humility and bedside manner.> > > > Respectfully,> > > > J.I. Abbot> > > > sohamsa , "freeflowaum" <freeflowaum@> wrote:> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > Reema,> > > Do not be attached to individual desires of native or your own > personal> > > ideals about relationships, unattachment brings clear > sightedness. The> > > Upapada is heavily afflicted and there should have been a kumbha > vivaha> > > before the native was married, so the UL could have been broken, > but too> > > late now. > > > Bojan,> > > The unmada is on the UL, which means the wife has lost it,> > irrational anger> > > and depression (Saturn in first and Mars in seventh-to UL). To > check> > if this> > > is the correct wife we are speaking of, she would have a heavily> > afflicted> > > (or MKS) Mars and Saturn in HER natal chart, based on upon his > UL.> > And UL> > > fasting will not remove her unmada, only promote marriage.> > > That same Mars-Saturn is a poverty yoga from the native's lagna> > (malefics in> > > 2nd and 8th). So after the vivaha (marriage), the native would> > become poor> > > and the wife would become 'mad'. This is a cursed UL (cursed> > marriage) and> > > in these cases it will be seen that the native's spouse will > also have a> > > curse on their UL. Now if the curse is on your head, you cannot > get> > out of> > > it, but when a curse is on your marriage, then it is possible to > let the> > > curse go. > > > > > > Secondly, the sustaining factor in this marriage is maranakaraka> > sthana Rahu> > > (second from UL) and this is on his AL. The marriage had little> > chance of> > > lasting to begin with because a dying malefic is feeding it. The> > vivaha's> > > breaking has ruined the native's name and reputation, the longer > the> > break> > > lasts the more damage there will be to the native's image (what> > people think> > > of him and how he is socially percieved). > > > > > > The breaking of the vivaha will benefit both the native and his> > wife! She> > > will regain some sanity and the native will be able to do remedy > for his> > > financial problems. The two people will actually be able to get> > along much> > > better after divorce. In this chart, Bagala worship will break > the> > marriage.> > > Fasting will only prolong the suffering of both natives. > Therefore,> > first> > > have the native do mantra of Bagala Devi.> > > > > > Then after divorce, the native should perform kumbha vivaha (as > next> > UL is> > > on Ketu-Rahu axis) and Rahu is MKS as already mentioned (another> > problemed> > > marriage). The third UL, his next marriage after divorce and > kumba> > vivaha> > > will prove very beneficial as it contains an uccha Moon. With > this> > marriage> > > he will prosper financially and his dharma will grow in many > ways.> > Jupiter> > > is uccha banga being uplifted by this uccha Moon that will be> > activated by> > > the third marriage. With the worship of Krsna he will be able to> > attain his> > > beneficial UL in his upcoming Jupiter Moon Mula dasha (if he is> > completely> > > divorced and has performed kumbha vivaha) by that time. > > > > > > Namah Sivaya> > > > > > _____ > > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> > Behalf Of> > > reema_sriganesh> > > Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:32 PM> > > sohamsa > > > Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the> > native angry?> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > Namaste Bojan-ji,> > > > > > Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL> > > better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the > native. He> > > seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him > the> > > power to do so.> > > > > > Thank you once again, and best wishes.> > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > > Reema.> > > > > > sohamsa@ <sohamsa%> 40> .com,> > bojan> > > vidakovic <janbovid@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > > > Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that> > > > should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and> > > > ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that> > > > when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the> > > > lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,> > > > esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,> > > > short temper, but after some time of regular fast it> > > > will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that> > > > particular day, it will save his marriage and fix> > > > problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine> > > > after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must> > > > keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic> > > > OM TAT SAT> > > > --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > > > > > A native approached me about his issues in marriage.> > > > > After looking at> > > > > his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays> > > > > (since UL lord is> > > > > exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th> > > > > house).> > > > > > > > > > After doing this remedy, the native gave the> > > > > following feedback:> > > > > > > > > > I have been noticing that I get very angry on> > > > > Thursday and I get very> > > > > much frustrated also. As a result of this I start> > > > > remembering all the> > > > > things that I have done or have been done to me.> > > > > > > > > > * * *> > > > > > > > > > Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of> > > > > GMT, 77E12, 28N36> > > > > > > > > > My question is - why should the native feel angry> > > > > particularly on> > > > > Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or> > > > > something more? I> > > > > notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.> > > > > But that should> > > > > mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It> > > > > doesn't mean that> > > > > the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try> > > > > to save his> > > > > marriage, correct?> > > > > > > > > > So are there any other indications, which I might> > > > > have missed, that> > > > > suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays> > > > > since he began> > > > > fasting?> > > > > > > > > > Any insight would be greatly appreciated.> > > > > > > > > > May Sri Vishnu bless us all,> > > > > Reema.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. <> > > > >> > >> >>

July 20, 2006

Dear Laxmi ji

I will accept your opinion, if astrologer has track record of 100% accurate

prediction. If he is fallible, then this is not recommended line of

consultation. Yes, each one is free..even if it causes harm to someone!!!!

regards / Prafulla Gang

In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always

an easy sacrifice.

>

> lakshmikary

> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:57:21 -0000

> sohamsa

> Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the native

> angry?

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

> Dear Mr. Abbot,

> PLease post your analysis on the list of the chart in question.I'd

> like to see how you are able to make something nice out of something

> that can be causing both parties alot of pain and destruction.

>

> undoubtably the UL is severly afflicted. Of course many angles would

> need to be checked before the original opinion is confirmed.

> No one needs to have " spiritual authority " , but an astrologer needs

> common sense.

> I'd rather take the karma for supposedly " destoying a marraige " than

> taking the karma of seeing a badly afflicted chart and recommending

> something that in all probablity wont work as the relationship is

> not destined to survive, or worse yet, encourage some lady/man to

> stick around in a marraige while her husband/wife abuses them, and

> perhaps kills them -while I sit back and told tell them to " work it

> out " (while I attmept to play God encouraging them to stay

> together,,, it goes both ways!) Look how many people children will

> suffer if they kill each other or make each others life hellish.

> Some marriages are just a living hell.While others can work with

> some help.

> Yes, Ive seen and heard all sorts of things.

> Freedom was just relating what he thought about the astrological

> content, I dont think you can jump on him so easy for that.He wasnt

> replying directly to the person/client he was attempting to give is

> astrological assessment of the situation for some ohter

> astrologers.Everyone is free to do so.

> best wishes

> Lakshmi

>

> sohamsa , " j.abbot " <j.abbot wrote:

>>

>> Dear Freedom,

>>

>> I sincerely hope that you do not presume to have the spiritual

>> authority to recommend divorce. This will be the downfall of

> jyotish

>> in the West, and already seems to be a commonplace in many

> circles.

>> Your technical abilities are not in question; what is worrisome to

> me

>> is the karma borne by both jyotishi and native for destroying

> families

>> and engineering self-fulfilling prophecies. I have not even

> looked at

>> the chart in question (though I hope to do so soon and email Reema

>> off-list). I think SJC sgould build into its charter a way of

>> ensuring that jyotishis avoid precisely the tone your email

>> exemplifies, which seems more in the spirit of a commandment or

>> directive than a diplomatic and compassionate offering, infused

> with

>> humility and bedside manner.

>>

>> Respectfully,

>>

>> J.I. Abbot

>>

>> sohamsa , " freeflowaum " <freeflowaum@> wrote:

>>>

>>> Hare Rama Krsna

>>>

>>> Reema,

>>> Do not be attached to individual desires of native or your own

> personal

>>> ideals about relationships, unattachment brings clear

> sightedness. The

>>> Upapada is heavily afflicted and there should have been a kumbha

> vivaha

>>> before the native was married, so the UL could have been broken,

> but too

>>> late now.

>>> Bojan,

>>> The unmada is on the UL, which means the wife has lost it,

>> irrational anger

>>> and depression (Saturn in first and Mars in seventh-to UL). To

> check

>> if this

>>> is the correct wife we are speaking of, she would have a heavily

>> afflicted

>>> (or MKS) Mars and Saturn in HER natal chart, based on upon his

> UL.

>> And UL

>>> fasting will not remove her unmada, only promote marriage.

>>> That same Mars-Saturn is a poverty yoga from the native's lagna

>> (malefics in

>>> 2nd and 8th). So after the vivaha (marriage), the native would

>> become poor

>>> and the wife would become 'mad'. This is a cursed UL (cursed

>> marriage) and

>>> in these cases it will be seen that the native's spouse will

> also have a

>>> curse on their UL. Now if the curse is on your head, you cannot

> get

>> out of

>>> it, but when a curse is on your marriage, then it is possible to

> let the

>>> curse go.

>>>

>>> Secondly, the sustaining factor in this marriage is maranakaraka

>> sthana Rahu

>>> (second from UL) and this is on his AL. The marriage had little

>> chance of

>>> lasting to begin with because a dying malefic is feeding it. The

>> vivaha's

>>> breaking has ruined the native's name and reputation, the longer

> the

>> break

>>> lasts the more damage there will be to the native's image (what

>> people think

>>> of him and how he is socially percieved).

>>>

>>> The breaking of the vivaha will benefit both the native and his

>> wife! She

>>> will regain some sanity and the native will be able to do remedy

> for his

>>> financial problems. The two people will actually be able to get

>> along much

>>> better after divorce. In this chart, Bagala worship will break

> the

>> marriage.

>>> Fasting will only prolong the suffering of both natives.

> Therefore,

>> first

>>> have the native do mantra of Bagala Devi.

>>>

>>> Then after divorce, the native should perform kumbha vivaha (as

> next

>> UL is

>>> on Ketu-Rahu axis) and Rahu is MKS as already mentioned (another

>> problemed

>>> marriage). The third UL, his next marriage after divorce and

> kumba

>> vivaha

>>> will prove very beneficial as it contains an uccha Moon. With

> this

>> marriage

>>> he will prosper financially and his dharma will grow in many

> ways.

>> Jupiter

>>> is uccha banga being uplifted by this uccha Moon that will be

>> activated by

>>> the third marriage. With the worship of Krsna he will be able to

>> attain his

>>> beneficial UL in his upcoming Jupiter Moon Mula dasha (if he is

>> completely

>>> divorced and has performed kumbha vivaha) by that time.

>>>

>>> Namah Sivaya

>>>

>>> _____

>>>

>>> sohamsa [sohamsa ] On

>> Behalf Of

>>> reema_sriganesh

>>> Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:32 PM

>>> sohamsa

>>> Re: Why should fasting on Thursday make the

>> native angry?

>>>

>>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>>

>>> Namaste Bojan-ji,

>>>

>>> Thank you so much. Your reply helped me in understanding the UL

>>> better, and it certainly will go a long way in helping the

> native. He

>>> seems to really want to save his marriage, and may God grant him

> the

>>> power to do so.

>>>

>>> Thank you once again, and best wishes.

>>>

>>> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

>>> Reema.

>>>

>>> sohamsa@ <sohamsa%

> 40> .com,

>> bojan

>>> vidakovic <janbovid@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>> HARE RAMA KRISHNA

>>>> Dear Reema, as per my experience it is the karma that

>>>> should be cleansed thorugh that UL with fasting, and

>>>> ofcourse it is not so easy. What I have seen is that

>>>> when UL is in 8th or its lord is at the same time the

>>>> lord of the eight bhava than it is very hard to fast,

>>>> esspeceally at the beginning. It can bring headaches,

>>>> short temper, but after some time of regular fast it

>>>> will be normalized. Ofcourse he should fast on that

>>>> particular day, it will save his marriage and fix

>>>> problems with unmada yoga etc. Everything will be fine

>>>> after few weeks...best wishes, but the person must

>>>> keep fasting, Bojan Vidakovic

>>>> OM TAT SAT

>>>> --- reema_sriganesh <reema_sriganesh@> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> || Hare Rama Krishna ||

>>>>>

>>>>> Namaste,

>>>>>

>>>>> A native approached me about his issues in marriage.

>>>>> After looking at

>>>>> his chart, I suggested that he fast on Thursdays

>>>>> (since UL lord is

>>>>> exalted and retrograde Guru placed in the 12th

>>>>> house).

>>>>>

>>>>> After doing this remedy, the native gave the

>>>>> following feedback:

>>>>>

>>>>> I have been noticing that I get very angry on

>>>>> Thursday and I get very

>>>>> much frustrated also. As a result of this I start

>>>>> remembering all the

>>>>> things that I have done or have been done to me.

>>>>>

>>>>> * * *

>>>>>

>>>>> Native's data: 12/25/1966, 22:20 Hrs, 5:30 East of

>>>>> GMT, 77E12, 28N36

>>>>>

>>>>> My question is - why should the native feel angry

>>>>> particularly on

>>>>> Thursdays? Is it just the exhaustion of fasting or

>>>>> something more? I

>>>>> notice that there is an unmada yoga on the UL axis.

>>>>> But that should

>>>>> mean that the spouse could have temper problems. It

>>>>> doesn't mean that

>>>>> the native cannot fast on the UL lord's day to try

>>>>> to save his

>>>>> marriage, correct?

>>>>>

>>>>> So are there any other indications, which I might

>>>>> have missed, that

>>>>> suggest native's frustration and anger on Thursdays

>>>>> since he began

>>>>> fasting?

>>>>>

>>>>> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

>>>>>

>>>>> May Sri Vishnu bless us all,

>>>>> Reema.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> http://mail. <>

>>>>

>>>

>>

July 20, 2006

Dear Lakshmi,

Please call me Jesse; since we have spoken several times on the phone,

there's no need to be so formal. I respectfully disagree with much of

your assessment. To the degree that there is abuse, of course it is

the role of the jyotishi to counsel an intervention. However, the

facile way in which Freedom recommended divorce alarmed me.

Obviously, the scenario is a bit different from direct advice to a

client. Nonetheless, there is a certain tendency for jyotishis to

presume what they can see or know, and/or to be prescriptive rather

than descriptive. The universe is not so cut-and-dried, frankly. Here

is an area where jyotish can actually borrow a page or two from

Western astrologers, not with respect to methodology, but as to

bedside manner. I never questioned Freedom's analysis (since I noted

I had not looked at the chart, how could I?) I took issue with the

tone. Please read his message again. If you do not see anything

presumptuous, I fear there is not much more that I can say here.

I concede that I'm biased in this instance because I have witnessed

/audited firsthand very similar advice given by an SJC guru directly

to a querent. Later that day, the same SJC guru addressed in a talk

the terrible karma involved in destroying marriages and families!

I do not anticipate engaging this thread further. To the degree that

my own tone was less than kind, I do apologize to Freedom and the

list. I think there is a broader issue here, though, which I will

explore in an article, likely for _The Mountain Astrologer_, where I

have published before. Obviously I would preserve anonymity in this

particular instance. The previous event that I discussed above

involving the advice to divorce left such an unpleasant taste in my

mouth that I kept away from SJC lists for many months out of respect,

knowing my own temper. Now I could not remain silent.

There is lip service on the SJC lists (and their equivalent across the

modern jyotish scene) regarding the difference between a shiksha guru

and a diksha guru. I do see circumstances in which a jyotishi can be

both, but I think actually that the lip service is paid so that a

jyotishi can presume to act as both but then fall back on the caveat

that he or she is not a diksha guru. That is fairly slippery if one

considers it closely. I am *not* imputing this behavior to Freedom

but rather speaking to a broader trend that should concern us.

Thank you for your time considering these thoughts. As I noted, I

shall not be getting into a " dueling jyotish " match via my own

competitive analysis. My point clearly lay elsewhere than in the

technical side of things.

Sarva mangalam,

Jesse

sohamsa , " lakshmikary " <lakshmikary wrote: