The Spiritual Dimensions of Vedic Astrology- To Sri Robert Koch

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Om Vishnave Namah

Dear Lakshmi,

Namaste ~

I had been away from the Sohamsa list for a few days, and thus the delay

in responding to you. Thank you for your email and your kind words

regarding my book. It was my original desire that Jyotish scholars

such as yourself would read and enjoy this book, and so your positive

feedback is most encouraging.

You've raised a very interesting question regarding the chart of Lord Sri

Krsna as discussed in my book, and so let me respond to you as

follows: First, I would say that the horoscopes of Avataras are

most or less symbolic of much broader issues than the charts of ordinary

humans are, although recorded events associated with Their Lilas are

documented and can also be correlated to astrological principles in

certain ways. But for the most part, typical yogas, vargas,

planetary positions and strengths, and other principles we use to study

the charts of humans cannot, for example, tell us how Sri Krsna had

16,108 wives, or that he showed His mother the entire universe or

Virata-rupa within his mouth! That being said, the study of charts

of avataras is a fascinating study when we bear in mind (1) the

transcendental nature of such personalities as described in Vedic

scriptures; and (2) we make such as study making use of guidelines given

in classical texts such as Jataka Parijata, Prashna Marga, BPHS,

etc.

Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata 4.97 in which some

astrological criteria for the charts of avataras was given. In that

text, it is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars should be in the

9th house from lagna or that they should aspect it; that the Navamsa they

occupy is owned by the 9th house and also by Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that

they be in vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should

occupy the lagna. Expansions on these points were given on page 363

of my book, and my conclusions were also made in consultation with Pt.

Sanjay Rath.

The gist of Sri Krsna's chart is as follows [the data for the chart I use

is given at the end of this email, for those who would like to follow

along with this discuss. I recommend calculating this chart only

with the JHora software, as other software will given different and

erroneous results]: In the rasi chart, The Sun, Mars, and Jupiter

all aspect the 9th house, which is the sign Capricorn, while the exalted

Moon occupies the lagna; in Navamsa, the vargottama Moon occupies the

lagna, while Jupiter occupies the 9th house. Mars aspects the 9th

house, while the Sun reaches the 9th house by way of Mercury's

dispositorship. Now, why should the avatara of Sri Krsna - and

incarnation of Vishnu - have Jupiter debilitated in the 9th house of the

Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of such avataras is to

reinstate Dharma first of all; that such avataras appear toward the end

of a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) the time at which Sri

Krsna appeared was just prior to the onset of Kali-yuga.

Jupiter's neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's dharma, but

the fact that his incarnation served to protect dharma at time when it

was to become very compromised.

The Kali-yuga rasi is Capricorn. Thus if in the Navamsa chart

of Sri Krsna Jupiter occupies Cp in the 9th house, it not only satisfies

part of the criteria of Jataka Parijata for an avatara as given above,

but especially of one who appears prior to the onset of the dangerous age

of Kali. In Cp, Jupiter symbolizes a diminishing of the Tamasic

effects of Mars and Saturn who are strong in that sign, and who tend to

reign in Kali-yuga. Thus in Kali-yuga, or just prior to its

occurrence, the avatara protects dharma in the sign of Capricorn and in

the 9th house, as found in the proposed Navamsa chart of Sri Krsna.

 

As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I cannot give any commentary,

as to my knowledge there are no specific directives given in classics for

the D-60 in charts of avataras.

In summary, my point is that - while it is interesting to correlate

events to the charts of such avataras - the overriding purpose of such

study is to validate with linear models their superhuman purpose of

appearance as per classical texts. We can, in other words, never

apply verbatim the principles given and study them in the identical ways

that we would to study the charts of ordinary humans.

Otherwise, how could child Krsna lift an entire mountain (Govardhana

giri) with is pinky finger, when He had Mars in debilitation in his rasi

chart?

Thank you for raising some very interesting questions and points of

view. I will be interested in hearing more of your feedback on this

subject. I will be leaving town on Tuesday for the annual SJC

conference in California, but I can respond to you from my laptop as

well.

Best wishes and warm regards,

Robert

At 03:45 AM 7/26/2006, you wrote:

Om Gurave Namah

Namaste Robert ji,

First of all let me congratulate you on your excellent book. It was

a great pleasure reading it.

However, I do have a small doubt regarding the chart of Sri Krishna.

 

In your book it is stated that in His chart, Jupiter is debilitated

in 9th house, because Sri Krishna avatara was for the purpose of

reinstating dharma. But, in this respect, I feel that the

debilitation of Sun or Jupiter, in the D-60 chart, would be a more

logical pointer to the advent of an avatara (in any yuga), because

these two planets indicate dharma and their fall would be the cause

for Bhagavan's advent, as the Lord himself said " yada yada hi

dharmasya glaanirbhavathi Bhaarata " . Libra, as the cardinal vayu

 

tattwa sign and the exaltation sign, is also intimately connected to

 

Saturn.

>From my perspective navamsa (as Dharmamsa) is the strength of the

 

chart/planets/native, while shashtyamsa (d-60) indicates the karmic

seed of the present birth. Though all the results we reap in the

present birth are moderated/interpreted by the karma we accrued in

the previous births, I do not think shashtyamsa has the over-riding

power which navamsa/dharma, alone has.

So, it is sort of inconceivable for me that Sri Krishna's navamsa

can have Sun or Jupiter in debilitation. In the navamsa chart given

by Sri Raman, Jupiter is in Sagittarius (7th house) in navamsa,

while Sun is equally strong in 4th house…and I personally think

that's a more appropriate position….with minor modifications.

In Sri Rama's navamsa, I think neither Jupiter nor Sun is

debilitated. Same is the case with Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart. In

 

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's chart Sun is debilitated in D-60, as in Swami

 

Vivekananda's chart. It may not be the case with the charts of

avadhutas.

 

Requesting your inputs on the above.

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Robert ji,

 

Thank you so much for taking out some time off from your busy

schedule to clear my doubts. I am sure that all of us benefit by

engaging in this divine discussion.

 

I am sorry, but I do not seem to have Jataka Parijata among my

modest collection of astrology books. I request you and my other

friends to give the relevant shloka, if possible, so that we can

have some meaningful discussion on the same. Going by the

translation given in the book, the said shloka does not seem to

mention anywhere that the criteria given is that of an avatara.

 

The start of Kaliyuga is said to be 18th February 3102 B.C. and the

same day is said to be the day of Krishna niryanam. According to

puranic references, Sri Krishna was 125 years old at that time, so

counting back, His birth should have been in 3228 B.C because

reckoned from June 3227 B.C, I don't think He had completed 125

years of age at the beginning of Kaliyuga. Perhaps by taking this

into account, Sri B.V Raman had adopted July 19th 3228 B.C as

Krishna's birth date. Could you please share with us your reasons

for preferring a different date?

 

> in certain ways. But for the most part, typical

> yogas, vargas, planetary positions and strengths,

> and other principles we use to study the charts

> of humans cannot, for example, tell us how Sri

> Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His

> mother the entire universe or Virata-rupa within

> his mouth!

 

 

Lakshmi: Yes, Sir, you are very correct. But let me try:--))

Perhaps, Exalted 2nd lord in the 5th house (karaka-Jupiter-akasha

tattwa) ? Since Mercury represents Vishnu, Krishna just showed

Himself, because Vishwam is Vishnu. In Vishnu sahasranaamam, the

very first name of the Lord is Vishwam!!

 

Perhaps the reason for his extraordinary number of wives is that

Rahu conjoins the Venus-Mars combination? Neechabhanga of the 7th

lord (mars) by Saturn (yogakaraka-dharma karmadhipati in 7th)

indicates that he cancelled the debilitation of those 16000+ women

at the hands of Narakasura for the sake of dharma.

 

The neechabhanga of Mars in 3rd house can also attest to his

parakrama. As poornavatara, Sri Krishna possessed all the shodasa

kalas of Vishnu and the powers of all his previous incarnations. For

One, who effortlessly lifted the world itself out of the abyss

(varaha avatara-Rahu in the 3rd house), is lifting govardhana giri

a big matter? One can also see power of Nrisimha & Parasurama (Mars

& Venus), in trines to Adi Kurma (Saturn). The 3rd house and its

trines are dominated by tamasic planets, which according to

Parashara represent the " Sankarshana " aspect of Vishnu. Sankarshana

shakti, whether as Adi sesha or Balarama, stands for supreme

strength….and perhaps also for supreme pull.

 

 

 

>

> Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata

> 4.97 in which some astrological criteria for the

> charts of avataras was given. In that text, it

> is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars

> should be in the 9th house from lagna or that

they should aspect it;

 

Lakshmi: In Raman's version also, all three planets aspect 9th

house by graha/rasi drishti.

 

 

that the Navamsa they

> occupy is owned by the 9th house and also by

> Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that they be in

> vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in

strength, should occupy the lagna.

 

Lakshmi: In Raman's version, Jupiter is in the Dhanus, the natural

9th house, aspected by Sun by rasi drishti. In the navamsa, 9th

house is owned by Saturn and is aspected by vargottama Mars.

Further, in this chart, the 9th lord Saturn is vargottama!!

 

>

Now, why should the avatara of

> Sri Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have

> Jupiter debilitated in the 9th house of the

> Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of

> such avataras is to reinstate Dharma first of

> all; that such avataras appear toward the end of

> a yuga; and further that (according to shastras)

> the time at which Sri Krsna appeared was just

> prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. Jupiter's

> neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's

> dharma, but the fact that his incarnation served

> to protect dharma at time when it was to become very compromised.

 

Lakshmi: Sir, that's true of Vishnu avatars in every yuga…not just

in dwapara or kali yuga From the perspective of the earlier yuga,

the succeeding yuga is always dangerous, because there's a constant

depletion of dharma all through. In the charts of Sri Rama and

Gautama Buddha (two avataras preceding and succeeding Krishna

Avatara), Sun and Jupiter are extremely strong both in rasi and

navamsa. (Same is the case of Adi Shankara, who is supposed to be

an incarnation of Shiva). Gautama Buddha's advent occurred in

kaliyuga, but I do not see Jupiter debilitated in navamsa, instead,

it's exlted! Capricorn not only represents Kaliyuga, it is the

cardinal earth sign, and hence indicates the lowest rung of

spiritual evolution…and strong Jupiter/Sun representing the

highest (akasha tattwa/hamsa) spiritual evolution/impulses are the

only ones that can bail us out.

>

>

> As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I

> cannot give any commentary, as to my knowledge

> there are no specific directives given in

> classics for the D-60 in charts of avataras.

>

Lakshmi: Neither do I know. Perhaps others can help us out.

>

> Thank you for raising some very interesting

> questions and points of view. I will be

> interested in hearing more of your feedback on

> this subject. I will be leaving town on Tuesday

Ø for the annual SJC conference

 

Lakshmi: Thank you for your patience, Sir. I greatly admire your

bhakti and erudition, so I do hope to have the honour of meting you

in India in near future, and seeki your guidance, in person.

 

Please do correct my mistakes.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

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Dear R Lakshami Ramesh, In the , era of Mahabharata, weak days and zodiac signs were not in Vogue. Some may say that Valmiki Ramayana has a REFERENCE. There is only three slokas out of 24000 verses in this scripture. Besides these three slokas, there is not even a faint reference in about zodiacal signs. Similarly, Mahabharata and Bhagvatm also do not contain any reference of weak days and signs. In about 2000 B.C. ,18 Purana's was authored by the disciples of Vayasa. Vishnu Purana clearly says that V.E. point was in 1st caharan of Kritika. This is time when horoscopes of various divinities were created. Otherwise from where you can get the nativities of Lord Ganesa and similar other divinities. Kindly forgive me , if I say that it is a futile exercise to fix their eras based on these nativities when

these were constructed thousands of years after the events. As regards16108 wives of Lord Krishna, kindly give attention on following massage: 1.He was born on 8th day after full Moon day(not on 8th thithi as we count now) 2. 16100 equals to number 8. 3. 8 were his principal wives. 4. Number 8 is common which is a spiritual number. 5. From each of 16108 wives he had 10 children. Do any one need any explanation. The massage is clear. G,K.GOEL Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote: Om Gurave NamahNamaste Robert ji,Thank you so much for taking out some time off from your busy schedule to clear my doubts. I am sure that all of us benefit by engaging in this divine discussion.I am sorry, but I do not seem to have Jataka Parijata among my modest collection of astrology books. I request you and my other friends to give the relevant shloka, if possible, so that we can have some meaningful discussion on the same. Going by the translation given in the book, the said shloka does not seem to mention anywhere that the criteria given is that of an avatara. The start of Kaliyuga is said to be 18th February 3102 B.C. and the same day is said to be the day of Krishna niryanam. According to puranic references, Sri Krishna was 125 years old at that time, so

counting back, His birth should have been in 3228 B.C because reckoned from June 3227 B.C, I don't think He had completed 125 years of age at the beginning of Kaliyuga. Perhaps by taking this into account, Sri B.V Raman had adopted July 19th 3228 B.C as Krishna's birth date. Could you please share with us your reasons for preferring a different date? > in certain ways. But for the most part, typical > yogas, vargas, planetary positions and strengths, > and other principles we use to study the charts > of humans cannot, for example, tell us how Sri > Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His > mother the entire universe or Virata-rupa within > his mouth! Lakshmi: Yes, Sir, you are very correct. But let me try:--)) Perhaps, Exalted 2nd lord in the 5th house (karaka-Jupiter-akasha tattwa) ? Since Mercury represents Vishnu, Krishna just showed Himself, because Vishwam is

Vishnu. In Vishnu sahasranaamam, the very first name of the Lord is Vishwam!!Perhaps the reason for his extraordinary number of wives is that Rahu conjoins the Venus-Mars combination? Neechabhanga of the 7th lord (mars) by Saturn (yogakaraka-dharma karmadhipati in 7th)indicates that he cancelled the debilitation of those 16000+ women at the hands of Narakasura for the sake of dharma. The neechabhanga of Mars in 3rd house can also attest to his parakrama. As poornavatara, Sri Krishna possessed all the shodasa kalas of Vishnu and the powers of all his previous incarnations. For One, who effortlessly lifted the world itself out of the abyss (varaha avatara-Rahu in the 3rd house), is lifting govardhana giri a big matter? One can also see power of Nrisimha & Parasurama (Mars & Venus), in trines to Adi Kurma (Saturn). The 3rd house and its trines are dominated by tamasic planets, which according to

Parashara represent the "Sankarshana" aspect of Vishnu. Sankarshana shakti, whether as Adi sesha or Balarama, stands for supreme strength….and perhaps also for supreme pull. > > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata > 4.97 in which some astrological criteria for the > charts of avataras was given. In that text, it > is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars > should be in the 9th house from lagna or that they should aspect it; Lakshmi: In Raman's version also, all three planets aspect 9th house by graha/rasi drishti.that the Navamsa they > occupy is owned by the 9th house and also by > Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that they be in > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in strength, should occupy the lagna. Lakshmi: In Raman's version, Jupiter is in the Dhanus, the natural 9th house, aspected by Sun by rasi drishti. In the navamsa, 9th house

is owned by Saturn and is aspected by vargottama Mars. Further, in this chart, the 9th lord Saturn is vargottama!!> Now, why should the avatara of > Sri Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have > Jupiter debilitated in the 9th house of the > Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of > such avataras is to reinstate Dharma first of > all; that such avataras appear toward the end of > a yuga; and further that (according to shastras) > the time at which Sri Krsna appeared was just > prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. Jupiter's > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's > dharma, but the fact that his incarnation served > to protect dharma at time when it was to become very compromised.Lakshmi: Sir, that's true of Vishnu avatars in every yuga…not just in dwapara or kali yuga From the perspective of the earlier yuga, the succeeding yuga is always dangerous,

because there's a constant depletion of dharma all through. In the charts of Sri Rama and Gautama Buddha (two avataras preceding and succeeding Krishna Avatara), Sun and Jupiter are extremely strong both in rasi and navamsa. (Same is the case of Adi Shankara, who is supposed to be an incarnation of Shiva). Gautama Buddha's advent occurred in kaliyuga, but I do not see Jupiter debilitated in navamsa, instead, it's exlted! Capricorn not only represents Kaliyuga, it is the cardinal earth sign, and hence indicates the lowest rung of spiritual evolution…and strong Jupiter/Sun representing the highest (akasha tattwa/hamsa) spiritual evolution/impulses are the only ones that can bail us out.> > > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I > cannot give any commentary, as to my knowledge > there are no specific directives given in > classics for the D-60 in charts of avataras.>

Lakshmi: Neither do I know. Perhaps others can help us out.> > Thank you for raising some very interesting > questions and points of view. I will be > interested in hearing more of your feedback on > this subject. I will be leaving town on Tuesday Ø for the annual SJC conferenceLakshmi: Thank you for your patience, Sir. I greatly admire your bhakti and erudition, so I do hope to have the honour of meting you in India in near future, and seeki your guidance, in person.Please do correct my mistakes.Regards,Lakshmi

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Namaste Goel ji,

 

You are, as usual, very correct, sir:--)) While Valmiki had

painstakingly given the entire planetery configuration at the time

of Sri Rama's birth, specifically naming zodiac signs, in

Bhagavatam, only the rudimentary panchanga details of Sri Krishna's

birth seem to have been mentioned. All this mystery certainly

enhances the maaya and mystic allure of the Lord!

 

This entire excercise might be a hypothetical one, but still the

ethical and astrological principles that are being discussed are

real enough, and my entire argument was that Sun/Jupiter being

debilitated in navamsa of avatara purushas is incorrect. And, that

such debility in D-60 is more logical. What do you feel, Sir?

 

Ofcourse, as you observed, the figure 8 is very prominent in

Krishna's story. He's also the 8th incarnation of Vishnu and the

ashtama garbha of Devaki. I have no doubt that He is the embodiment

of ashtakshari maha mantram.

 

I am sure the figure 16108 is also fraught with spiritual meaning.

To my inexperienced eye it looks as though the figure 16 refers to

the 16 tithis, while 108 indicates the nakshtra charanas…both linked

to moon. Coincidentally, only these two (tithi & nakshatra) are

undisputably mentioned/agreed upon in connection with Sri Krishna's

birth!! Perhaps the figure 1000 (sahasra) refers to the unlimited

manifestations of the Purusha.

 

Regards,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear R Lakshami Ramesh,

> In the , era of Mahabharata, weak days and zodiac signs were not

in Vogue.

> Some may say that Valmiki Ramayana has a REFERENCE. There is

only three slokas out of 24000 verses in this scripture. Besides

these three slokas,

> there is not even a faint reference in about zodiacal signs.

> Similarly, Mahabharata and Bhagvatm also do not contain any

reference of weak

> days and signs.

> In about 2000 B.C. ,18 Purana's was authored by the disciples

of Vayasa.

> Vishnu Purana clearly says that V.E. point was in 1st caharan of

Kritika.

>

> This is time when horoscopes of various divinities were created.

> Otherwise from where you can get the nativities of Lord Ganesa

and similar other divinities.

> Kindly forgive me , if I say that it is a futile exercise to fix

their eras based on these nativities when these were constructed

thousands of years after the events.

>

> As regards16108 wives of Lord Krishna, kindly give attention on

following

> massage:

> 1.He was born on 8th day after full Moon day(not on 8th thithi

as we count now)

> 2. 16100 equals to number 8.

> 3. 8 were his principal wives.

> 4. Number 8 is common which is a spiritual number.

> 5. From each of 16108 wives he had 10 children.

> Do any one need any explanation. The massage is clear.

> G,K.GOEL

>

> Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Namaste Robert ji,

>

> Thank you so much for taking out some time off from your busy

> schedule to clear my doubts. I am sure that all of us benefit by

> engaging in this divine discussion.

>

> I am sorry, but I do not seem to have Jataka Parijata among my

> modest collection of astrology books. I request you and my other

> friends to give the relevant shloka, if possible, so that we can

> have some meaningful discussion on the same. Going by the

> translation given in the book, the said shloka does not seem to

> mention anywhere that the criteria given is that of an avatara.

>

> The start of Kaliyuga is said to be 18th February 3102 B.C. and

the

> same day is said to be the day of Krishna niryanam. According to

> puranic references, Sri Krishna was 125 years old at that time, so

> counting back, His birth should have been in 3228 B.C because

> reckoned from June 3227 B.C, I don't think He had completed 125

> years of age at the beginning of Kaliyuga. Perhaps by taking this

> into account, Sri B.V Raman had adopted July 19th 3228 B.C as

> Krishna's birth date. Could you please share with us your reasons

> for preferring a different date?

>

> > in certain ways. But for the most part, typical

> > yogas, vargas, planetary positions and strengths,

> > and other principles we use to study the charts

> > of humans cannot, for example, tell us how Sri

> > Krsna had 16,108 wives, or that he showed His

> > mother the entire universe or Virata-rupa within

> > his mouth!

>

> Lakshmi: Yes, Sir, you are very correct. But let me try:--))

> Perhaps, Exalted 2nd lord in the 5th house (karaka-Jupiter-akasha

> tattwa) ? Since Mercury represents Vishnu, Krishna just showed

> Himself, because Vishwam is Vishnu. In Vishnu sahasranaamam, the

> very first name of the Lord is Vishwam!!

>

> Perhaps the reason for his extraordinary number of wives is that

> Rahu conjoins the Venus-Mars combination? Neechabhanga of the 7th

> lord (mars) by Saturn (yogakaraka-dharma karmadhipati in 7th)

> indicates that he cancelled the debilitation of those 16000+ women

> at the hands of Narakasura for the sake of dharma.

>

> The neechabhanga of Mars in 3rd house can also attest to his

> parakrama. As poornavatara, Sri Krishna possessed all the shodasa

> kalas of Vishnu and the powers of all his previous incarnations.

For

> One, who effortlessly lifted the world itself out of the abyss

> (varaha avatara-Rahu in the 3rd house), is lifting govardhana giri

> a big matter? One can also see power of Nrisimha & Parasurama

(Mars

> & Venus), in trines to Adi Kurma (Saturn). The 3rd house and its

> trines are dominated by tamasic planets, which according to

> Parashara represent the " Sankarshana " aspect of Vishnu.

Sankarshana

> shakti, whether as Adi sesha or Balarama, stands for supreme

> strength….and perhaps also for supreme pull.

>

> >

> > Now, in my book I referred to Jataka Parijata

> > 4.97 in which some astrological criteria for the

> > charts of avataras was given. In that text, it

> > is suggested that the Sun, Jupiter, and Mars

> > should be in the 9th house from lagna or that

> they should aspect it;

>

> Lakshmi: In Raman's version also, all three planets aspect 9th

> house by graha/rasi drishti.

>

> that the Navamsa they

> > occupy is owned by the 9th house and also by

> > Saturn (Cp and Aq) and that they be in

> > vargottamamsa; and further, that the Moon, in

> strength, should occupy the lagna.

>

> Lakshmi: In Raman's version, Jupiter is in the Dhanus, the natural

> 9th house, aspected by Sun by rasi drishti. In the navamsa, 9th

> house is owned by Saturn and is aspected by vargottama Mars.

> Further, in this chart, the 9th lord Saturn is vargottama!!

>

> >

> Now, why should the avatara of

> > Sri Krsna - and incarnation of Vishnu - have

> > Jupiter debilitated in the 9th house of the

> > Dharmamsa chart? It is because the purpose of

> > such avataras is to reinstate Dharma first of

> > all; that such avataras appear toward the end of

> > a yuga; and further that (according to shastras)

> > the time at which Sri Krsna appeared was just

> > prior to the onset of Kali-yuga. Jupiter's

> > neecha thus is not a reflection on Sri Krsna's

> > dharma, but the fact that his incarnation served

> > to protect dharma at time when it was to become very compromised.

>

> Lakshmi: Sir, that's true of Vishnu avatars in every yuga…not just

> in dwapara or kali yuga From the perspective of the earlier yuga,

> the succeeding yuga is always dangerous, because there's a

constant

> depletion of dharma all through. In the charts of Sri Rama and

> Gautama Buddha (two avataras preceding and succeeding Krishna

> Avatara), Sun and Jupiter are extremely strong both in rasi and

> navamsa. (Same is the case of Adi Shankara, who is supposed to be

> an incarnation of Shiva). Gautama Buddha's advent occurred in

> kaliyuga, but I do not see Jupiter debilitated in navamsa,

instead,

> it's exlted! Capricorn not only represents Kaliyuga, it is the

> cardinal earth sign, and hence indicates the lowest rung of

> spiritual evolution…and strong Jupiter/Sun representing the

> highest (akasha tattwa/hamsa) spiritual evolution/impulses are the

> only ones that can bail us out.

> >

> >

> > As for the Shastiamsa chart of Sri Krsna, I

> > cannot give any commentary, as to my knowledge

> > there are no specific directives given in

> > classics for the D-60 in charts of avataras.

> >

> Lakshmi: Neither do I know. Perhaps others can help us out.

> >

> > Thank you for raising some very interesting

> > questions and points of view. I will be

> > interested in hearing more of your feedback on

> > this subject. I will be leaving town on Tuesday

> Ø for the annual SJC conference

>

> Lakshmi: Thank you for your patience, Sir. I greatly admire your

> bhakti and erudition, so I do hope to have the honour of meting

you

> in India in near future, and seeki your guidance, in person.

>

> Please do correct my mistakes.

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

 

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