To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

September 22, 2006

Hare Rama Krishna. For those of you who are actively involved in utilising gemstones, especially yellow/golden sapphires I would like to offer this piece of advice: in the course of at least 10 years-when I was studying with Shri Harish Johari- Tantra Vidya,Jyotish,Swara Shastra,Ayurveda and related sciences (also arts), I had the opportunity to investigate and observe the testing of hundreds of gemstones under his guidance both in India and in other countries he has visited. We have examined in the traditional ways, all kinds of gemstones including some rare rudrakshas and mercurial preparations (so called Parad, but not the commercially available kind. These all went through at least 18 samskaras!).The end result concerning sapphires really astonished me: about 99% of the yellow sapphires available today literally anywhere ,ARE HEAT TREATED. This heat treatment include

repeated and prolonged heating over exceedingly high temperatures which will give a nice deep yellow and golden colour to the gemstone. Shri Harish Johari was convinced that these gemstones are worse than useless, for the very life force have been seriously altered and damaged by these procesess. Therefore he always advised to get a NATURAL "yellow" sapphire without heat treatment. Yes, you can find them. They may look a little pale but definitely will DO the job very well (where it is applicable and recommended) One final word: Some of you may have read Shri Harish Johari's books on Tantra/Gems etc. I am firmly convinced that only about 1% of what he knew found it's way into his books. I know from personal experience, that he invariable supplanted and extended all instructions by patient (sometimes weeklong) explanations which were as priceless as it was unique.As is well known, he has incarnated in a long and well established line of Tantric

practitioners,jyotishis and ayurvedic doctors. As a tireless researcher,artist and teacher to many of us ,we owe him a tremendous amount of thanks and gratitude. It is truly a great loss to all of that he has left his body a few years ago. Best Regards: Arpad Joo

September 22, 2006

Dear Swee,

In your opinion, what is the best source from where

one can get untreated blue sapphire. I am waiting for

your reply.

Thanks

Manoj

--- Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it

> in Sourav¹s reply. ALL

> Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions

> so far.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

> sweechan

>

> On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, " Sourav " <souravc108

> wrote:

>

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Sri Bharat,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank

> you for your learned

> > suggestions and please note that they are always

> welcome; so kindly don't use

> > the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware of the gemstone

> heating processes and hence

> > I didn't readily go for uparatnas. I am still

> waiting and reasearching the

> > sellers who is trustworthy and at the same time

> will provide certification.

> > Thank you for the suggestion of Rudraksha. Yes I

> agree with Mrityunjaya mantra

> > japa especially as Shukra is a maraka in

> badhakasthana in this case. Being

> > Subhapati, the marakatva is lessened. Can you

> please explain the dates you

> > arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu dasas are

> applicable - Lagna Vimsottari,

> > Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika amongst the

> conditional dasas. Of these, I find

> > Dwisaptati applying quite well.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

>

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> >

> > sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu

> Astrology " <hinduastrology

> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Namaste Sri Sourav

> >> >

> >> > I couldn't help reading this fine discussion

> and would like to offer

> >> > comments. Please pardon this intrusion:

> >> >

> >> > 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire

> is a natural Citrine (which

> >> > isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are

> considered very good. Citrine is

> >> > of Amethyst family and while the natural

> processes are going on, if the

> >> > crystal finds a heat source it converts into a

> citrine. There are plenty of

> >> > artificially heat treated citrines available

> too. I would suggest getting a

> >> > gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone

> testing lab before buying it. >>

> You

> >> > can ask the seller to provide you with the

> same. This is the most practical

> >> > method to avoid getting duped.

> >> >

> >> > 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in

> my chart and how neither

> >> > Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best

> thing to do is to wear

> >> > Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati

> represents the Guru or Perceptor

> >> > and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and

> represents the Adi Guru. No

> >> > Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha

> of any kind (any mukha)

> >> will

> >> > enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring

> good qualities of

> >> > Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or

> Eleven Faced Rudraksha for

> >> > you. You can wear both if you may want to.

> >> >

> >> > 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or

> a white sapphire. Venus

> >> > should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and

> especially the Mritunjya

> >> > Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the

> Japa keeping in mind spiritual

> >> > upliftment and protection for the prana-body.

> >> >

> >> > 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between

> Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr 2008

> >> > - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the

> future), Jul 2009 to Dec

> >> > 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of

> your health in all these

> >> > periods. You tend not to take care of your

> body.

> >> >

> >> > 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday

> and thursday.

> >> >

> >> > May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and

> prosperity in your life.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks and Regards

> >> > Bharat

> >> >

> >> > On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108 wrote:

> >>> > >

> >>> > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> >>> > > knowledge.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of

> 80x magnification. This is

> >>> > > interesting.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for

> Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color

> (likely treated). Please

> >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in

> USA. Also, does P-G-A seller

> >>> also

> >>> > > have good qualities ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m.

> instead of p.m. It should be

> >>> January

> >>> > > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna

> is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is

> >>> > > Tula.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in

> 10-th and Guru is in Lagna

> in

> >>> > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru

> caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is

> >>> > > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of

> Surya. Ketu is very strong in

> my

> >>> > > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona

> in the 10th house and takes

> >>> > > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha

> too). But Ketu is 6th lord.

> >>> > > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he

> suggested Mantras and said the

> >>> only

> >>> > > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

>

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> >>> > >

> >>> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan

> sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Dear Sourav,

> >>>> > > > Namaste

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > I think someone is supposed to re-write

> the gemological section in

> the

> >>> > > VRA

> >>>> > > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there

> that I simply do not agree

>

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September 22, 2006

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Gaurav,

Namaskar. Is it possible to see a website of yours.

Best wishes,

Sourav

=========================================================sohamsa , yobrevol wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Swee ji et al,> > All Brazilian Citrines are heated for sure, as you say, but nonetheless it > is possible to find "natural" citrines from Nigeria/ illakaka etc..as for > natural Blue/yellow sapphires, lately I have been giving independent lab > certificates for high value sapphires as it gives added confidence to their > purchases. I like to be honest about what I sell, that's partly why my prices are not > cheap. > > mainstream "lattice" diffusion has also surfaced in case of blue sapphires > and rubies lately in bangkok, which is increasingly a cause of concern, and a > thing to avoid, as if the Be treatment of yellows wasn't enough. > > Namaste> Your sishya;> Gaurav Jain> > > > In a message dated 9/22/2006 8:26:19 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > sweechan writes:> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > Dear Bharat,> Namaste> > I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it in Souravâ€™s reply. ALL > Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions so far.> > Love,> > Swee> sweechan > > On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, "Sourav" souravc108 wrote:> > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > Dear Sri Bharat,> > Namaskar. Thank you for your learned suggestions and please note that they > are always welcome; so kindly don't use the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware of > the gemstone heating processes and hence I didn't readily go for uparatnas. I > am still waiting and reasearching the sellers who is trustworthy and at the > same time will provide certification. Thank you for the suggestion of > Rudraksha. Yes I agree with Mrityunjaya mantra japa especially as Shukra is a > maraka in badhakasthana in this case. Being Subhapati, the marakatva is lessened. > Can you please explain the dates you arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu > dasas are applicable - Lagna Vimsottari, Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika amongst > the conditional dasas. Of these, I find Dwisaptati applying quite well. > > Best wishes,> > Sourav> > =================================================================> > > sohamsa , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > hinduastrology@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Sri Sourav> > > > I couldn't help reading this fine discussion and would like to offer> > comments. Please pardon this intrusion:> > > > 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire is a natural Citrine (which> > isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are considered very good. Citrine is> > of Amethyst family and while the natural processes are going on, if the> > crystal finds a heat source it converts into a citrine. There are plenty of> > artificially heat treated citrines available too. I would suggest getting a> > gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone testing lab before buying it. > You> > can ask the seller to provide you with the same. This is the most practical> > method to avoid getting duped.> > > > 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in my chart and how neither> > Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best thing to do is to wear> > Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati represents the Guru or Perceptor> > and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and represents the Adi Guru. No> > Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha of any kind (any mukha) > will> > enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring good qualities of> > Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or Eleven Faced Rudraksha for> > you. You can wear both if you may want to.> > > > 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or a white sapphire. Venus> > should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and especially the Mritunjya> > Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the Japa keeping in mind spiritual> > upliftment and protection for the prana-body.> > > > 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr 2008> > - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the future), Jul 2009 to Dec> > 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of your health in all these> > periods. You tend not to take care of your body.> > > > 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday and thursday.> > > > May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and prosperity in your life.> > > > Thanks and Regards> > Bharat> > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*> > >> > > Dear Swee-ji,> > >> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> > > knowledge.> > >> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is> > > interesting.> > >> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller > also> > > have good qualities ?> > >> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be > January> > > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is> > > Tula.> > >> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna > in> > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is> > > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my> > > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes> > > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord.> > > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the > only> > > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> > >> > > Thank you in anticipation.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > Sourav> > >> > > ==================================================================> > >> > >> > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > > >> > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > Namaste> > > >> > > > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the> > > VRA> > > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree> > > with> > > > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> > > >> > > > 1. Peridot â€" To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the> > > gemstone> > >> > > > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this> > > is> > > > to be avoided.> > > > 2. Imperial Topaz is always â€" I mean almost never NOT heat treated.> > > Which> > > > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The> > > > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is> > > the> > > > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, > you> > > > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From> > > experience,> > > > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre> > > that a> > > > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it> > > > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or> > > > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the> > > > gemstones themselves â€" not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and> > > Indian> > > > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If> > > you> > > > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though > his> > > > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request> > > for.> > > > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended â€" ALL, topaz comes> > > in> > > > either blue of white â€" mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. > So> > > it> > > > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the> > > > gemstone does harm to your body.> > > > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = > 5.6carats> > > > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But> > > the> > > > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a> > > tendency> > > > for a weight challenged person to put on a â€œbigger-is-betterâ€ gemstone> > > will> > > > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger> > > > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very> > > good> > > > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers> > > > pertaining to that planet, Guruâ€™s blessings if possible, offer > dakshina> > > and> > > > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone â€" either round the> > > neck> > > > (which is my preference) or the fingers.> > > > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th> > > lord> > > > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in â€" job, bhukti, luck etc. So why> > > not> > > > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth> > > and> > > > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better â€" 11th lord on the> > > > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for> > > you> > > > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka> > > lagna.> > > >> > > >> > > > Love,> > > >> > > > Swee> > > > sweechan@> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> > > > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited > and> > > only> > > > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD> > > article).> > > > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to> > > know why in> > > > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis> > > is> > > > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that > "larger> > > is> > > > > better" concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights > are> > > > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are> > > not> > > > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for> > > my case> > > > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am> > > wondering> > > > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone> > > would be> > > > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated > vs.> > > > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by> > > another person> > > > > earlier ?> > > > >> > > > > Thank you.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Sourav> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ==============================================================================> > > > > ===================> > > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Dear Sourav,> > > > >> > Namaste> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did> > > penances> > > > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya> > > is good> > > > >> to> > > > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the> > > 9th> > > > >> house.> > > > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th> > > house, it> > > > >> does> > > > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all> > > other> > > > >> jewels,> > > > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If> > > > >> recollection> > > > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY > for> > > a> > > > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).> > > > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the > most> > > abundant> > > > >> > â€œgemâ€ found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have> > > colour> > > > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the> > > colour.> > > > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a > diamond> > > with >>> > > > the> > > > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)â€" note> > > the word,> > > > >> > small â€" in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = > 8> > > x 20 => > > > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium> > > grain, take> > > > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5> > > carats) >>> > > > and> > > > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished > 2.46carat> > > > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); â€œa> > > king who> > > > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemiesâ€. It takes one year for> > > one carat> > > > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much> > > faster,> > > > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Answer to your questions:> > > > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,> > > less weight> > > > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave > the> > > entire> > > > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King > â€"> > > that> > > > >> goes> > > > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in> > > my> > > > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for> > > those to> > > > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,> > > is less> > > > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person> > > told me> > > > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.> > > BUT what> > > > >> > is big may seem small to another â€" so its all relative.> > > > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the> > > Tamal tree,> > > > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi> > > family as> > > > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important> > > factor, though> > > > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of> > > importance.> > > > >> Those> > > > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel> > > finds) are> > > > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the> > > > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory> > > (6th> > > > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)> > > > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a > fraction> > > of a> > > > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun> > > giving> > > > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,> > > he is not> > > > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the> > > statement> > > > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the > blue> > > > >> sapphire> > > > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem> > > (we can> > > > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious> > > than the> > > > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt> > > by the> > > > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.> > > Dharm.> > > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and> > > bracelets of> > > > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems â€" Vishnu Dhar.> > > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24> > > > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is> > > ruled by> > > > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An> > > emerald is> > > > >> > usually an â€œemeraldâ€ cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so> > > like that,> > > > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as> > > > >> suggested> > > > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that > it> > > is an> > > > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.> > > > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon,> > > Jupiter> > > > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we > now> > > know> > > > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers> > > another> > > > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many> > > ifs and> > > > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A > Green> > > Diamond> > > > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should> > > be worn> > > > >> by> > > > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a> > > son should> > > > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Love,> > > > >> >> > > > >> > Swee> > > > >> > sweechan@> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > > >> >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> > > > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the> > > values> > > > are> > > > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to> > > determine how> > > > >>> much> > > > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed> > > weights> > > > ?> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be > served> > > ?> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For> > > example,> > > > >>> high> > > > >>> > > quality, less weight ?> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the > gemstone> > > ? Also,> > > > are> > > > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I> > > understand> > > > >>> that> > > > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty> > > perspective,> > > > >>> some> > > > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an> > > > >>> astrological> > > > >>> > > reason.> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5> > > gemstones> > > > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Best wishes,> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > > Sourav> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > =================================================================> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >>

September 22, 2006

Namaste Sri SweeI do not know what is left natural anymore. A method was suggested to me by an accomplished gemmologist that by placing the gemstone under a 200 watt bulb, the original color can be restored. I have not tried it. Do you find any reference of this method?

Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 9/23/06, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Bharat,

Namaste

I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it in Sourav's reply. ALL Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions so far.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Bharat,

Namaskar. Thank you for your learned suggestions and please note that they are always welcome; so kindly don't use the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware of the gemstone heating processes and hence I didn't readily go for uparatnas. I am still waiting and reasearching the sellers who is trustworthy and at the same time will provide certification. Thank you for the suggestion of Rudraksha. Yes I agree with Mrityunjaya mantra japa especially as Shukra is a maraka in badhakasthana in this case. Being Subhapati, the marakatva is lessened. Can you please explain the dates you arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu dasas are applicable - Lagna Vimsottari, Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika amongst the conditional dasas. Of these, I find Dwisaptati applying quite well.

Best wishes,

Sourav

=================================================================

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sourav

>

> I couldn't help reading this fine discussion and would like to offer

> comments. Please pardon this intrusion:

>

> 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire is a natural Citrine (which

> isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are considered very good. Citrine is

> of Amethyst family and while the natural processes are going on, if the

> crystal finds a heat source it converts into a citrine. There are plenty of

> artificially heat treated citrines available too. I would suggest getting a

> gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone testing lab before buying it. You

> can ask the seller to provide you with the same. This is the most practical

> method to avoid getting duped.

>

> 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in my chart and how neither

> Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best thing to do is to wear

> Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati represents the Guru or Perceptor

> and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and represents the Adi Guru. No

> Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha of any kind (any mukha) will

> enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring good qualities of

> Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or Eleven Faced Rudraksha for

> you. You can wear both if you may want to.

>

> 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or a white sapphire. Venus

> should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and especially the Mritunjya

> Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the Japa keeping in mind spiritual

> upliftment and protection for the prana-body.

>

> 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr 2008

> - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the future), Jul 2009 to Dec

> 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of your health in all these

> periods. You tend not to take care of your body.

>

> 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday and thursday.

>

> May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and prosperity in your life.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108 wrote:

> >

> > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> > knowledge.

> >

> > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is

> > interesting.

> >

> > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please

> > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller also

> > have good qualities ?

> >

> > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be January

> > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is

> > Tula.

> >

> > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna in

> > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is

> > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my

> > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes

> > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord.

> > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only

> > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >

> > Thank you in anticipation.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ==================================================================

> >

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the

> > VRA

> > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree

> > with

> > > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> > >

> > > 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the

> > gemstone

> >

> > > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this

> > is

> > > to be avoided.

> > > 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat treated.

> > Which

> > > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The

> > > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is

> > the

> > > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you

> > > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From

> > experience,

> > > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre

> > that a

> > > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> > > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or

> > > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> > > gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and

> > Indian

> > > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If

> > you

> > > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his

> > > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request

> > for.

> > > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz comes

> > in

> > > either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So

> > it

> > > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the

> > > gemstone does harm to your body.

> > > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6carats

> > > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But

> > the

> > > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a

> > tendency

> > > for a weight challenged person to put on a "bigger-is-better" gemstone

> > will

> > > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger

> > > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very

> > good

> > > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> > > pertaining to that planet, Guru's blessings if possible, offer dakshina

> > and

> > > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round the

> > neck

> > > (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> > > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th

> > lord

> > > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc. So why

> > not

> > > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth

> > and

> > > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on the

> > > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for

> > you

> > > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > > sweechan@

> > >

> > > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and

> > only

> > > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD

> > article).

> > > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to

> > know why in

> > > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis

> > is

> > > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that " larger

> > is

> > > > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are

> > > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are

> > not

> > > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for

> > my case

> > > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am

> > wondering

> > > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone

> > would be

> > > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated vs.

> > > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by

> > another person

> > > > earlier ?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > ==============================================================================

> > > > ===================

> > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > > >> > Namaste

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did

> > penances

> > > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya

> > is good

> > > >> to

> > > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the

> > 9th

> > > >> house.

> > > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th

> > house, it

> > > >> does

> > > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all

> > other

> > > >> jewels,

> > > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> > > >> recollection

> > > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY for

> > a

> > > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> > > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the most

> > abundant

> > > >> > "gem" found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have

> > colour

> > > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the

> > colour.

> > > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a diamond

> > with >>

> > > the

> > > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)– note

> > the word,

> > > >> > small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = 8

> > x 20 =

> > > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium

> > grain, take

> > > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5

> > carats) >>

> > > and

> > > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished 2.46carat

> > > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); "a

> > king who

> > > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies". It takes one year for

> > one carat

> > > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much

> > faster,

> > > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Answer to your questions:

> > > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,

> > less weight

> > > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave the

> > entire

> > > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King –

> > that

> > > >> goes

> > > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in

> > my

> > > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for

> > those to

> > > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,

> > is less

> > > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person

> > told me

> > > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.

> > BUT what

> > > >> > is big may seem small to another – so its all relative.

> > > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the

> > Tamal tree,

> > > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi

> > family as

> > > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important

> > factor, though

> > > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of

> > importance.

> > > >> Those

> > > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel

> > finds) are

> > > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the

> > > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory

> > (6th

> > > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> > > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a fraction

> > of a

> > > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun

> > giving

> > > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,

> > he is not

> > > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the

> > statement

> > > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the blue

> > > >> sapphire

> > > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem

> > (we can

> > > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious

> > than the

> > > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt

> > by the

> > > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.

> > Dharm.

> > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and

> > bracelets of

> > > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems – Vishnu Dhar.

> > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> > > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is

> > ruled by

> > > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An

> > emerald is

> > > >> > usually an "emerald" cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so

> > like that,

> > > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as

> > > >> suggested

> > > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that it

> > is an

> > > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> > > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon,

> > Jupiter

> > > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we now

> > know

> > > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers

> > another

> > > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many

> > ifs and

> > > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A Green

> > Diamond

> > > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should

> > be worn

> > > >> by

> > > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a

> > son should

> > > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Love,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Swee

> > > >> > sweechan@

> > > >> >

> > > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> > > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the

> > values

> > > are

> > > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to

> > determine how

> > > >>> much

> > > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed

> > weights

> > > ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be served

> > ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For

> > example,

> > > >>> high

> > > >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the gemstone

> > ? Also,

> > > are

> > > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I

> > understand

> > > >>> that

> > > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty

> > perspective,

> > > >>> some

> > > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an

> > > >>> astrological

> > > >>> > > reason.

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5

> > gemstones

> > > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Sourav

> > > >>> > >

> > =================================================================

> > > >>> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 22, 2006

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Srimaan Gaurav,

Namaskar. The addition of Sri before a name indicates a 'wish' that you become/remain sri-mandita i.e. blessed with Sri (goodness, beauty etc). It does not necessarily indicate age etc. I will contact you via private e-mail. Thank you for providing me the address. Did you pick this name from MASH ?

Best wishes,

Sourav

===============================================================sohamsa , yobrevol wrote:>> > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Namaste Sourav bhayia,> > If I may request, please do not prefix "sri" with my name, I am smaller in > age, experience, knowledge, wisdom and everything else to you and most on the > group. > > You are welcome to visit _www.hawkeyegems.com_ (http://www.hawkeyegems.com) > > Namaste> Gaurav jain> > > > > In a message dated 9/22/2006 9:26:15 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > souravc108 writes:> > || Hare Raama Krsna || > Dear Sri Gaurav, > Namaskar. Is it possible to see a website of yours. > Best wishes, > Sourav > =========================================================> sohamsa , yobrevol@ wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Namaste Swee ji et al,> > > > All Brazilian Citrines are heated for sure, as you say, but nonetheless it > > > is possible to find "natural" citrines from Nigeria/ illakaka etc..as for > > natural Blue/yellow sapphires, lately I have been giving independent lab > > certificates for high value sapphires as it gives added confidence to > their > > purchases. I like to be honest about what I sell, that's partly why my > prices are not > > cheap. > > > > mainstream "lattice" diffusion has also surfaced in case of blue sapphires > > > and rubies lately in bangkok, which is increasingly a cause of concern, > and a > > thing to avoid, as if the Be treatment of yellows wasn't enough. > > > > Namaste> > Your sishya;> > Gaurav Jain> > > > > > > > In a message dated 9/22/2006 8:26:19 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > > sweechan@ writes:> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > > > Dear Bharat,> > Namaste> > > > I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it in SouravÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s reply. > ALL > > Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions so far.> > > > Love,> > > > Swee> > sweechan@> > > > > > On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > Dear Sri Bharat,> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for your learned suggestions and please note that they > > are always welcome; so kindly don't use the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware > of > > the gemstone heating processes and hence I didn't readily go for > uparatnas. I > > am still waiting and reasearching the sellers who is trustworthy and at > the > > same time will provide certification. Thank you for the suggestion of > > Rudraksha. Yes I agree with Mrityunjaya mantra japa especially as Shukra > is a > > maraka in badhakasthana in this case. Being Subhapati, the marakatva is > lessened. > > Can you please explain the dates you arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu > > dasas are applicable - Lagna Vimsottari, Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika > amongst > > the conditional dasas. Of these, I find Dwisaptati applying quite well. > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > =================================================================> > > > > > sohamsa , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > hinduastrology@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Sri Sourav> > > > > > I couldn't help reading this fine discussion and would like to offer> > > comments. Please pardon this intrusion:> > > > > > 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire is a natural Citrine > (which> > > isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are considered very good. Citrine > is> > > of Amethyst family and while the natural processes are going on, if the> > > crystal finds a heat source it converts into a citrine. There are plenty > of> > > artificially heat treated citrines available too. I would suggest > getting a> > > gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone testing lab before buying it. > > You> > > can ask the seller to provide you with the same. This is the most > practical> > > method to avoid getting duped.> > > > > > 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in my chart and how neither> > > Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best thing to do is to wear> > > Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati represents the Guru or > Perceptor> > > and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and represents the Adi Guru. > No> > > Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha of any kind (any mukha) > > will> > > enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring good qualities of> > > Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or Eleven Faced Rudraksha > for> > > you. You can wear both if you may want to.> > > > > > 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or a white sapphire. Venus> > > should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and especially the Mritunjya> > > Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the Japa keeping in mind > spiritual> > > upliftment and protection for the prana-body.> > > > > > 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr > 2008> > > - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the future), Jul 2009 to Dec> > > 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of your health in all these> > > periods. You tend not to take care of your body.> > > > > > 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday and thursday.> > > > > > May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and prosperity in your life.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > Bharat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > > >> > > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*> > > >> > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > >> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the> > > > knowledge.> > > >> > > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is> > > > interesting.> > > >> > > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a > *pale*> > > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please> > > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller > > also> > > > have good qualities ?> > > >> > > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be > > January> > > > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is> > > > Tula.> > > >> > > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in > Lagna > > in> > > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru > is> > > > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in > my> > > > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes> > > > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th > lord.> > > > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said > the > > only> > > > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.> > > >> > > > Thank you in anticipation.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > > ==================================================================> > > >> > > >> > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > > Namaste> > > > >> > > > > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in > the> > > > VRA> > > > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree> > > > with> > > > > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).> > > > >> > > > > 1. Peridot Ã¢â‚¬" To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the> > > > gemstone> > > >> > > > > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that > this> > > > is> > > > > to be avoided.> > > > > 2. Imperial Topaz is always Ã¢â‚¬" I mean almost never NOT heat treated.> > > > Which> > > > > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? > The> > > > > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification > is> > > > the> > > > > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, > > you> > > > > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From> > > > experience,> > > > > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre> > > > that a> > > > > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it> > > > > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough > or> > > > > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the> > > > > gemstones themselves Ã¢â‚¬" not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan > and> > > > Indian> > > > > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If> > > > you> > > > > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though > > > his> > > > > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request> > > > for.> > > > > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended Ã¢â‚¬" ALL, topaz > comes> > > > in> > > > > either blue of white Ã¢â‚¬" mostly white. Your yellow topaz is > irradiated. > > So> > > > it> > > > > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from > the> > > > > gemstone does harm to your body.> > > > > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = > > 5.6carats> > > > > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But> > > > the> > > > > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a> > > > tendency> > > > > for a weight challenged person to put on a Ã¢â‚¬Å"bigger-is-betterÃ¢â‚¬Â > gemstone> > > > will> > > > > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is > bigger> > > > > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen > very> > > > good> > > > > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers> > > > > pertaining to that planet, GuruÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s blessings if possible, offer > > dakshina> > > > and> > > > > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone Ã¢â‚¬" either round > the> > > > neck> > > > > (which is my preference) or the fingers.> > > > > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your > 5th> > > > lord> > > > > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in Ã¢â‚¬" job, bhukti, luck etc. > So why> > > > not> > > > > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is > wealth> > > > and> > > > > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better Ã¢â‚¬" 11th lord on > the> > > > > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant > for> > > > you> > > > > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka> > > > lagna.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Love,> > > > >> > > > > Swee> > > > > sweechan@> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail> > > > > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited > > and> > > > only> > > > > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD> > > > article).> > > > > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to> > > > know why in> > > > > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 > Rattis> > > > is> > > > > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that > > "larger> > > > is> > > > > > better" concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights > > > are> > > > > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights > are> > > > not> > > > > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz > for> > > > my case> > > > > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am> > > > wondering> > > > > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti > stone> > > > would be> > > > > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated > > > vs.> > > > > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by> > > > another person> > > > > > earlier ?> > > > > >> > > > > > Thank you.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > ==============================================================================> > > > > > ===================> > > > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Dear Sourav,> > > > > >> > Namaste> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also > did> > > > penances> > > > > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their > punya> > > > is good> > > > > >> to> > > > > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of > the> > > > 9th> > > > > >> house.> > > > > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th> > > > house, it> > > > > >> does> > > > > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all> > > > other> > > > > >> jewels,> > > > > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If> > > > > >> recollection> > > > > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY > > for> > > > a> > > > > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).> > > > > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the > > most> > > > abundant> > > > > >> > Ã¢â‚¬Å"gemÃ¢â‚¬Â found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not > have> > > > colour> > > > > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause > the> > > > colour.> > > > > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a > > diamond> > > > with >>> > > > > the> > > > > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)Ã¢â‚¬" > note> > > > the word,> > > > > >> > small Ã¢â‚¬" in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice > grain) = > > 8> > > > x 20 => > > > > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium> > > > grain, take> > > > > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 > gram=5> > > > carats) >>> > > > > and> > > > > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished > > 2.46carat> > > > > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); Ã¢â‚¬Å"> a> > > > king who> > > > > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemiesÃ¢â‚¬Â. It takes one year > for> > > > one carat> > > > > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is > much> > > > faster,> > > > > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Answer to your questions:> > > > > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,> > > > less weight> > > > > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara > gave > > the> > > > entire> > > > > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the > King > > Ã¢â‚¬"> > > > that> > > > > >> goes> > > > > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated > in> > > > my> > > > > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and > for> > > > those to> > > > > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high > prices,> > > > is less> > > > > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person> > > > told me> > > > > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this > pearl.> > > > BUT what> > > > > >> > is big may seem small to another Ã¢â‚¬" so its all relative.> > > > > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the> > > > Tamal tree,> > > > > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi> > > > family as> > > > > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important> > > > factor, though> > > > > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of> > > > importance.> > > > > >> Those> > > > > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel> > > > finds) are> > > > > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to > the> > > > > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory> > > > (6th> > > > > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)> > > > > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a > > fraction> > > > of a> > > > > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the > Sun> > > > giving> > > > > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual > equation,> > > > he is not> > > > > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the> > > > statement> > > > > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the > > blue> > > > > >> sapphire> > > > > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red > gem> > > > (we can> > > > > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more > meritorious> > > > than the> > > > > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, > burnt> > > > by the> > > > > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.> > > > Dharm.> > > > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and> > > > bracelets of> > > > > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems Ã¢â‚¬" Vishnu Dhar.> > > > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24> > > > > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape > is> > > > ruled by> > > > > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An> > > > emerald is> > > > > >> > usually an Ã¢â‚¬Å"emeraldÃ¢â‚¬Â cut/cut corner rectangular or a > square, so> > > > like that,> > > > > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the > crystal as> > > > > >> suggested> > > > > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is > that > > it> > > > is an> > > > > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.> > > > > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing > Moon,> > > > Jupiter> > > > > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we > > now> > > > know> > > > > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda > considers> > > > another> > > > > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many> > > > ifs and> > > > > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A > > Green> > > > Diamond> > > > > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond > should> > > > be worn> > > > > >> by> > > > > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for > a> > > > son should> > > > > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Love,> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > Swee> > > > > >> > sweechan@> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> > > > > >> >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding> > > > > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of > the> > > > values> > > > > are> > > > > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to> > > > determine how> > > > > >>> much> > > > > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these > proposed> > > > weights> > > > > ?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be > > served> > > > ?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For> > > > example,> > > > > >>> high> > > > > >>> > > quality, less weight ?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the > > gemstone> > > > ? Also,> > > > > are> > > > > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I> > > > understand> > > > > >>> that> > > > > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty> > > > perspective,> > > > > >>> some> > > > > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have > an> > > > > >>> astrological> > > > > >>> > > reason.> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5> > > > gemstones> > > > > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > Best wishes,> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > > Sourav> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > =================================================================> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >>

September 23, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Bharat,

Namaste

I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it in Sourav’s reply. ALL Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions so far.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Bharat,

Namaskar. Thank you for your learned suggestions and please note that they are always welcome; so kindly don't use the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware of the gemstone heating processes and hence I didn't readily go for uparatnas. I am still waiting and reasearching the sellers who is trustworthy and at the same time will provide certification. Thank you for the suggestion of Rudraksha. Yes I agree with Mrityunjaya mantra japa especially as Shukra is a maraka in badhakasthana in this case. Being Subhapati, the marakatva is lessened. Can you please explain the dates you arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu dasas are applicable - Lagna Vimsottari, Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika amongst the conditional dasas. Of these, I find Dwisaptati applying quite well.

Best wishes,

Sourav

=================================================================

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sourav

>

> I couldn't help reading this fine discussion and would like to offer

> comments. Please pardon this intrusion:

>

> 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire is a natural Citrine (which

> isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are considered very good. Citrine is

> of Amethyst family and while the natural processes are going on, if the

> crystal finds a heat source it converts into a citrine. There are plenty of

> artificially heat treated citrines available too. I would suggest getting a

> gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone testing lab before buying it. You

> can ask the seller to provide you with the same. This is the most practical

> method to avoid getting duped.

>

> 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in my chart and how neither

> Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best thing to do is to wear

> Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati represents the Guru or Perceptor

> and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and represents the Adi Guru. No

> Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha of any kind (any mukha) will

> enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring good qualities of

> Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or Eleven Faced Rudraksha for

> you. You can wear both if you may want to.

>

> 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or a white sapphire. Venus

> should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and especially the Mritunjya

> Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the Japa keeping in mind spiritual

> upliftment and protection for the prana-body.

>

> 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr 2008

> - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the future), Jul 2009 to Dec

> 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of your health in all these

> periods. You tend not to take care of your body.

>

> 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday and thursday.

>

> May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and prosperity in your life.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108 wrote:

> >

> > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> > knowledge.

> >

> > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is

> > interesting.

> >

> > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please

> > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller also

> > have good qualities ?

> >

> > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be January

> > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is

> > Tula.

> >

> > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna in

> > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is

> > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my

> > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes

> > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord.

> > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only

> > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >

> > Thank you in anticipation.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ==================================================================

> >

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the

> > VRA

> > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree

> > with

> > > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> > >

> > > 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the

> > gemstone

> >

> > > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this

> > is

> > > to be avoided.

> > > 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat treated.

> > Which

> > > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The

> > > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is

> > the

> > > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you

> > > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From

> > experience,

> > > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre

> > that a

> > > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> > > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or

> > > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> > > gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and

> > Indian

> > > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If

> > you

> > > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his

> > > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request

> > for.

> > > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz comes

> > in

> > > either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So

> > it

> > > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the

> > > gemstone does harm to your body.

> > > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6carats

> > > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But

> > the

> > > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a

> > tendency

> > > for a weight challenged person to put on a “bigger-is-better” gemstone

> > will

> > > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger

> > > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very

> > good

> > > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> > > pertaining to that planet, Guru’s blessings if possible, offer dakshina

> > and

> > > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round the

> > neck

> > > (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> > > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th

> > lord

> > > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc. So why

> > not

> > > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth

> > and

> > > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on the

> > > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for

> > you

> > > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > > sweechan@

> > >

> > > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and

> > only

> > > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD

> > article).

> > > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to

> > know why in

> > > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis

> > is

> > > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that " larger

> > is

> > > > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are

> > > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are

> > not

> > > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for

> > my case

> > > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am

> > wondering

> > > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone

> > would be

> > > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated vs.

> > > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by

> > another person

> > > > earlier ?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > ==============================================================================

> > > > ===================

> > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > > >> > Namaste

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did

> > penances

> > > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya

> > is good

> > > >> to

> > > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the

> > 9th

> > > >> house.

> > > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th

> > house, it

> > > >> does

> > > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all

> > other

> > > >> jewels,

> > > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> > > >> recollection

> > > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY for

> > a

> > > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> > > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the most

> > abundant

> > > >> > “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have

> > colour

> > > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the

> > colour.

> > > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a diamond

> > with >>

> > > the

> > > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)– note

> > the word,

> > > >> > small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = 8

> > x 20 =

> > > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium

> > grain, take

> > > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5

> > carats) >>

> > > and

> > > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished 2.46carat

> > > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); “a

> > king who

> > > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes one year for

> > one carat

> > > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much

> > faster,

> > > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Answer to your questions:

> > > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,

> > less weight

> > > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave the

> > entire

> > > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King –

> > that

> > > >> goes

> > > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in

> > my

> > > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for

> > those to

> > > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,

> > is less

> > > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person

> > told me

> > > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.

> > BUT what

> > > >> > is big may seem small to another – so its all relative.

> > > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the

> > Tamal tree,

> > > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi

> > family as

> > > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important

> > factor, though

> > > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of

> > importance.

> > > >> Those

> > > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel

> > finds) are

> > > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the

> > > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory

> > (6th

> > > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> > > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a fraction

> > of a

> > > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun

> > giving

> > > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,

> > he is not

> > > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the

> > statement

> > > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the blue

> > > >> sapphire

> > > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem

> > (we can

> > > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious

> > than the

> > > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt

> > by the

> > > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.

> > Dharm.

> > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and

> > bracelets of

> > > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems – Vishnu Dhar.

> > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> > > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is

> > ruled by

> > > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An

> > emerald is

> > > >> > usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so

> > like that,

> > > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as

> > > >> suggested

> > > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that it

> > is an

> > > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> > > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon,

> > Jupiter

> > > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we now

> > know

> > > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers

> > another

> > > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many

> > ifs and

> > > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A Green

> > Diamond

> > > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should

> > be worn

> > > >> by

> > > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a

> > son should

> > > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Love,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Swee

> > > >> > sweechan@

> > > >> >

> > > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> > > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the

> > values

> > > are

> > > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to

> > determine how

> > > >>> much

> > > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed

> > weights

> > > ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be served

> > ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For

> > example,

> > > >>> high

> > > >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the gemstone

> > ? Also,

> > > are

> > > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I

> > understand

> > > >>> that

> > > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty

> > perspective,

> > > >>> some

> > > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an

> > > >>> astrological

> > > >>> > > reason.

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5

> > gemstones

> > > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Sourav

> > > >>> > >

> > =================================================================

> > > >>> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 23, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Arpad,

Namaste

If you don’t mind me saying so, both Gaurav (supplier) and I (miner) have had the experience of going through millions of carats of gemstones – both from the rough to the finished product, which most gemologists do not normally do. They only know what a faceted material looks like. But you are right, most materials in the roughs are heat treated in situ – sapphires and emeralds. That is the reason why Zambian materials are more desired in the industry – emeralds and citrines etc.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/22/06 6:52 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila wrote:

Hare Rama Krishna.

For those of you who are actively involved in utilising gemstones, especially yellow/golden sapphires I would like to offer this piece of advice:

in the course of at least 10 years-when I was studying with Shri Harish Johari- Tantra Vidya,Jyotish,Swara Shastra,Ayurveda and related sciences (also arts), I had the opportunity to investigate and observe the testing of hundreds of gemstones under his guidance both in India and in other countries he has visited. We have examined in the traditional ways, all kinds of gemstones including some rare rudrakshas and mercurial preparations (so called Parad, but not the commercially available kind. These all went through at least 18 samskaras!).The end result concerning sapphires really astonished me: about 99% of the yellow sapphires available today literally anywhere ,ARE HEAT TREATED. This heat tr! eatment include repeated and prolonged heating over exceedingly high temperatures which will give a nice deep yellow and golden colour to the gemstone. Shri Harish Johari was convinced that these gemstones are worse than useless, for the very life force have been seriously altered and damaged by these procesess. Therefore he always advised to get a NATURAL " yellow " sapphire without heat treatment. Yes, you can find them. They may look a little pale but definitely will DO the job very well (where it is applicable and recommended)

One final word: Some of you may have read Shri Harish Johari's books on Tantra/Gems etc. I am firmly convinced that only about 1% of what he knew found it's way into his books. I know from personal experience, that he invariable supplanted and extended all instructions by patient (sometimes weeklong) explanations which were as priceless as it was unique.As is well known, he has incarnated in a long and well established line of Tantric practitioners,jyotishis and ayurvedic doctors. As a tireless researcher,artist and teacher to many of us ,we owe him a tremendous amount of thanks and gratitude. It is truly a great loss to all of that he has left his body a few years ago.

Best Regards:

Arpad Joo

September 23, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Anuj,

Namaste

What? Heat it some more? Oh dear!!!! :| :((

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/22/06 8:45 AM, " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

Namaste Sri Swee

I do not know what is left natural anymore. A method was suggested to me by an accomplished gemmologist that by placing the gemstone under a 200 watt bulb, the original color can be restored. I have not tried it. Do you find any reference of this method?

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 9/23/06, Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Bharat,

Namaste

I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it in Sourav's reply. ALL Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions so far.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

|| Hare Raama Krsna ||

Dear Sri Bharat,

Namaskar. Thank you for your learned suggestions and please note that they are always welcome; so kindly don't use the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware of the gemstone heating processes and hence I didn't readily go for uparatnas. I am still waiting and reasearching the sellers who is trustworthy and at the same time will provide certification. Thank you for the suggestion of Rudraksha. Yes I agree with Mrityunjaya mantra japa especially as Shukra is a maraka in badhakasthana in this case. Being Subhapati, the marakatva is lessened. Can you please explain the dates you arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu dasas are applicable - Lagna Vimsottari, Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika amongst the conditional dasas. Of these, I find Dwisaptati applying quite well.

Best wishes,

Sourav

=================================================================

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Sourav

>

> I couldn't help reading this fine discussion and would like to offer

> comments. Please pardon this intrusion:

>

> 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire is a natural Citrine (which

> isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are considered very good. Citrine is

> of Amethyst family and while the natural processes are going on, if the

> crystal finds a heat source it converts into a citrine. There are plenty of

> artificially heat treated citrines available too. I would suggest getting a

> gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone testing lab before buying it. You

> can ask the seller to provide you with the same. This is the most practical

> method to avoid getting duped.

>

> 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in my chart and how neither

> Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best thing to do is to wear

> Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati represents the Guru or Perceptor

> and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and represents the Adi Guru. No

> Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha of any kind (any mukha) will

> enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring good qualities of

> Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or Eleven Faced Rudraksha for

> you. You can wear both if you may want to.

>

> 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or a white sapphire. Venus

> should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and especially the Mritunjya

> Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the Japa keeping in mind spiritual

> upliftment and protection for the prana-body.

>

> 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr 2008

> - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the future), Jul 2009 to Dec

> 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of your health in all these

> periods. You tend not to take care of your body.

>

> 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday and thursday.

>

> May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and prosperity in your life.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108 wrote:

> >

> > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> > knowledge.

> >

> > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification. This is

> > interesting.

> >

> > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated). Please

> > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller also

> > have good qualities ?

> >

> > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should be January

> > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is

> > Tula.

> >

> > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is in Lagna in

> > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is

> > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong in my

> > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes

> > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord.

> > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only

> > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >

> > Thank you in anticipation.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

> > ==================================================================

> >

> > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >

> > > Dear Sourav,

> > > Namaste

> > >

> > > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological section in the

> > VRA

> > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do not agree

> > with

> > > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> > >

> > > 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now, the

> > gemstone

> >

> > > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states that this

> > is

> > > to be avoided.

> > > 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat treated.

> > Which

> > > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat treated? The

> > > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x magnification is

> > the

> > > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least about 80x, you

> > > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating. From

> > experience,

> > > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra lustre

> > that a

> > > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow sapphire, it

> > > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase the rough or

> > > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and facets the

> > > gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri Lankan and

> > Indian

> > > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally accepted. If

> > you

> > > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you. Though his

> > > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you request

> > for.

> > > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL, topaz comes

> > in

> > > either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is irradiated. So

> > it

> > > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the radiation from the

> > > gemstone does harm to your body.

> > > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x 0.8 = 5.6carats

> > > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to answer. But

> > the

> > > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet, hence a

> > tendency

> > > for a weight challenged person to put on a " bigger-is-better " gemstone

> > will

> > > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your question: Is bigger

> > > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have seen very

> > good

> > > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and flowers

> > > pertaining to that planet, Guru's blessings if possible, offer dakshina

> > and

> > > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either round the

> > neck

> > > (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> > > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is your 5th

> > lord

> > > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck etc. So why

> > not

> > > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If it is wealth

> > and

> > > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord on the

> > > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was meant for

> > you

> > > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana and paka

> > lagna.

> > >

> > > Love,

> > >

> > > Swee

> > > sweechan@

> > >

> > > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >

> > > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very limited and

> > only

> > > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also have your JD

> > article).

> > > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I wanted to

> > know why in

> > > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended by 7 Rattis

> > is

> > > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just that " larger

> > is

> > > > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on weights are

> > > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher weights are

> > not

> > > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow topaz for

> > my case

> > > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri Ayanaamsa). I am

> > wondering

> > > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7 ratti stone

> > would be

> > > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying a heated vs.

> > > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone used by

> > another person

> > > > earlier ?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Sourav

> > > >

> > ==============================================================================

> > > > ===================

> > > > sohamsa , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > > >> > Namaste

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of yore also did

> > penances

> > > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence their punya

> > is good

> > > >> to

> > > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all indications of the

> > 9th

> > > >> house.

> > > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire for the 9th

> > house, it

> > > >> does

> > > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that amongst all

> > other

> > > >> jewels,

> > > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and unbreakable. If

> > > >> recollection

> > > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of giving a RY for

> > a

> > > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> > > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon and is the most

> > abundant

> > > >> > " gem " found in the world. Originally, all gemstones do not have

> > colour

> > > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in them cause the

> > colour.

> > > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate that a diamond

> > with >>

> > > the

> > > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu Dharmottara)– note

> > the word,

> > > >> > small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula (rice grain) = 8

> > x 20 =

> > > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season rice is medium

> > grain, take

> > > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati = 800mg; 1 gram=5

> > carats) >>

> > > and

> > > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough unpolished 2.46carat

> > > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well nearly) :-)); " a

> > king who

> > > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies " . It takes one year for

> > one carat

> > > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling time is much

> > faster,

> > > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is evident.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Answer to your questions:

> > > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary gemstones,

> > less weight

> > > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu Dharmottara gave the

> > entire

> > > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn by the King –

> > that

> > > >> goes

> > > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was also stated in

> > my

> > > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be big and for

> > those to

> > > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky high prices,

> > is less

> > > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because some person

> > told me

> > > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get this pearl.

> > BUT what

> > > >> > is big may seem small to another – so its all relative.

> > > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours equated to the

> > Tamal tree,

> > > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine; same beryi

> > family as

> > > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an important

> > factor, though

> > > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough gem of

> > importance.

> > > >> Those

> > > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds like gravel

> > finds) are

> > > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt, alien to the

> > > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who wishes victory

> > (6th

> > > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon etc)

> > > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted diamond is a fraction

> > of a

> > > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The addendum to the Sun

> > giving

> > > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In spiritual equation,

> > he is not

> > > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also goes with the

> > statement

> > > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the ruby or the blue

> > > >> sapphire

> > > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal to the red gem

> > (we can

> > > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more meritorious

> > than the

> > > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels because, burnt

> > by the

> > > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body of a man. V.

> > Dharm.

> > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments, necklace and

> > bracelets of

> > > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems – Vishnu Dhar.

> > > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> > > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the oval shape is

> > ruled by

> > > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the crystalisation. An

> > emerald is

> > > >> > usually an " emerald " cut/cut corner rectangular or a square, so

> > like that,

> > > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of the crystal as

> > > >> suggested

> > > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized gem is that it

> > is an

> > > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an emerald.

> > > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a waxing Moon,

> > Jupiter

> > > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow Sapphire, as we now

> > know

> > > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The Artharvaveda considers

> > another

> > > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic. There are many

> > ifs and

> > > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are important. A Green

> > Diamond

> > > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown diamond should

> > be worn

> > > >> by

> > > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who wishes for a

> > son should

> > > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette (rectangle).

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Love,

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Swee

> > > >> > sweechan@

> > > >> >

> > > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> > > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please answer?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is given. Some of the

> > values

> > > are

> > > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation done to

> > determine how

> > > >>> much

> > > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind these proposed

> > weights

> > > ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific purpose to be served

> > ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the gemstone ? For

> > example,

> > > >>> high

> > > >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the cut of the gemstone

> > ? Also,

> > > are

> > > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific gemstones ? I

> > understand

> > > >>> that

> > > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or from beauty

> > perspective,

> > > >>> some

> > > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if these cuts have an

> > > >>> astrological

> > > >>> > > reason.

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis weights and cuts 5

> > gemstones

> > > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to people ?

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > > >>> > >

> > > >>> > > Sourav

> > > >>> > >

> > =================================================================

> > > >>> > >

> > > >> >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 23, 2006

Sri Lanka.

Regards

M.R.Murali

-----sohamsa wrote: -----

sohamsa

Manoj Sharma <manojsharma662000

Sent by: sohamsa

09/22/2006 07:58PM

Re: Re: To Swee-ji - Several questions about gemstones

Dear Swee,

In your opinion, what is the best source from where

one can get untreated blue sapphire. I am waiting for

your reply.

Thanks

Manoj

--- Swee Chan < sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com > wrote:

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Dear Bharat,

> Namaste

>

> I somehow did not get your mail, but am reading it

> in Sourav¹s reply. ALL

> Brazilian citrines are heat treated. No exceptions

> so far.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

> sweechan (AT) mac (DOT) com

>

> On 9/22/06 5:24 AM, " Sourav " < souravc108 >

> wrote:

>

> >

> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >

> > Dear Sri Bharat,

> >

> > Namaskar. Thank

> you for your learned

> > suggestions and please note that they are always

> welcome; so kindly don't use

> > the word 'pardon'. Yes, I am aware of the gemstone

> heating processes and hence

> > I didn't readily go for uparatnas. I am still

> waiting and reasearching the

> > sellers who is trustworthy and at the same time

> will provide certification.

> > Thank you for the suggestion of Rudraksha. Yes I

> agree with Mrityunjaya mantra

> > japa especially as Shukra is a maraka in

> badhakasthana in this case. Being

> > Subhapati, the marakatva is lessened. Can you

> please explain the dates you

> > arrived at ? In my chart, several Udu dasas are

> applicable - Lagna Vimsottari,

> > Tara, Dwisaptati, Sataabdika amongst the

> conditional dasas. Of these, I find

> > Dwisaptati applying quite well.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Sourav

> >

>

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========

> >

> > sohamsa@ .com , " Bharat Hindu

> Astrology " <hinduastrology@ ...>

> > wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Namaste Sri Sourav

> >> >

> >> > I couldn't help reading this fine discussion

> and would like to offer

> >> > comments. Please pardon this intrusion:

> >> >

> >> > 1. The substitute gemstone for Yellow Sapphire

> is a natural Citrine (which

> >> > isn't very costly). Brazilian Citrines are

> considered very good. Citrine is

> >> > of Amethyst family and while the natural

> processes are going on, if the

> >> > crystal finds a heat source it converts into a

> citrine. There are plenty of

> >> > artificially heat treated citrines available

> too. I would suggest getting a

> >> > gemstone tested from a recognized Gemstone

> testing lab before buying it. >>

> You

> >> > can ask the seller to provide you with the

> same. This is the most practical

> >> > method to avoid getting duped.

> >> >

> >> > 2. You are aware of the position of Jupiter in

> my chart and how neither

> >> > Yellow Sapphire or Citrine suits me. The best

> thing to do is to wear

> >> > Rudraksha. In my understanding, Brihaspati

> represents the Guru or Perceptor

> >> > and Lord Shiva is the Supreme Consciousness and

> represents the Adi Guru. No

> >> > Guru can be without the Shiva Tattva. Rudraksha

> of any kind (any mukha)

> >> will

> >> > enhance the Guru tattva in the person and bring

> good qualities of

> >> > Brihaspati. I would still suggest a Ek Mukhi or

> Eleven Faced Rudraksha for

> >> > you. You can wear both if you may want to.

> >> >

> >> > 3. In my view, you should NOT wear a diamond or

> a white sapphire. Venus

> >> > should be strengthened through Mantra Japa and

> especially the Mritunjya

> >> > Mantra Japa will help you immensely. Do the

> Japa keeping in mind spiritual

> >> > upliftment and protection for the prana-body.

> >> >

> >> > 4. Rise in work and honor are likely between

> Jan 2007 to Jun 2007, Apr 2008

> >> > - Sep 2008 (a little less with doubts about the

> future), Jul 2009 to Dec

> >> > 2009 and Oct 2010 to Mar 2011. Take care of

> your health in all these

> >> > periods. You tend not to take care of your

> body.

> >> >

> >> > 5. Vishnushashtranama chanting every wednesday

> and thursday.

> >> >

> >> > May the lord bring abudance of knowledge and

> prosperity in your life.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks and Regards

> >> > Bharat

> >> >

> >> > On 9/20/06, Sourav souravc108@. .. wrote:

> >>> > >

> >>> > > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the

> >>> > > knowledge.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of

> 80x magnification. This is

> >>> > > interesting.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for

> Yellow Sapphire of a *pale*

> >>> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color

> (likely treated). Please

> >>> > > provide be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in

> USA. Also, does P-G-A seller

> >>> also

> >>> > > have good qualities ?

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m.

> instead of p.m. It should be

> >>> January

> >>> > > 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna

> is Mithuna. Janma Rasi is

> >>> > > Tula.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in

> 10-th and Guru is in Lagna

> in

> >>> > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru

> caused neechabhanga thus. Guru is

> >>> > > also in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of

> Surya. Ketu is very strong in

> my

> >>> > > chart in Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona

> in the 10th house and takes

> >>> > > primary control of the chart (being Pakesha

> too). But Ketu is 6th lord.

> >>> > > Hence, to transfer the power to Guru, he

> suggested Mantras and said the

> >>> only

> >>> > > gemstone suitable, is for Guru.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sourav

> >>> > >

>

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

> >>> > >

> >>> > > sohamsa@ .com , Swee Chan

> sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > Dear Sourav,

> >>>> > > > Namaste

> >>>> > > >

> >>>> > > > I think someone is supposed to re-write

> the gemological section in

> the

> >>> > > VRA

> >>>> > > > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there

> that I simply do not agree

>

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Dear Swee Ji,

namaskar,

I am amazed to see your knowledge on gems. My Husband

is wearing Diamond (0.72 carats, one stone),

Emerald(abt 6 ratti) and Blue supphire (abt 6 ratti,

dark peacock blue color).

His Birth details are

DOB 31.07.1971

TOB 11.11Hrs

POB: Gorakhpur (UP)

Wearing Emerald for more than 2 years

Wearing Diamond and Blue Supphire since Nov 05

He ais not getting any desired results. Please guide

if he is wearing correct gems.

Regards,

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Hare Rama Krishna Dear Swee, thank you for your observations. The main purpose of my adding to the very interesting thread of comments on gemstones is to warn people about the harmful effects of heated gemstones. In the course of many years as practicing astrologer I have recommended of course the use of gemstones among many, many other remedial measures. It is my firm opinion that the heating process will seriously distort the planetary energy and the life force in the gemstone. This may even cause the opposite effect which was originally intended and may harm the wearer. Please forgive me for not being aware that you are a supplier/miner of gemstones. I do as well go directly to miner when I need certain gemstones. With best wishes: Arpad Joo

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September 23, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevay,

Pranam to all Respected Members,

I have been reading this discussion. Gemology is one of the topic of my interest. I request to guide me on following topics regarding kalachakra tantra and methods of using gemstones:

According to the Kalachakra tantra, the Upaya (remedy) of weak planet should be done on the day of its opposite planet. It also suggest to use colours of opposite colours.

For example, for the upaya of Mars (Mangal), best day is saturday and colour to be used is Blue, as blue cools down the anger and firey nature of mangal. Similarly, for diffrent planets explaination can be given.

Now I want to ask whether this law is apllicable for the use of gemstones? I mean to say can one use Red corel in Saturn's finger (middle one) for better results instead of its usual sun's finger?

This is true as per tantric system, but person even then will experience bad results as per normal Lagna kundli if the fingers are interchanged.

Are there any special mantras if we want to follow kalachakra system for using gemstones?

I may be wrong in putting question. Please correct me and guide as well.

Regards

Rushikesh

On 9/23/06, Arpad Joo <panchasila

> wrote:

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Swee,

thank you for your observations. The main purpose of my adding to the very interesting thread of comments on gemstones is to warn people about the harmful effects of heated gemstones. In the course of many years as practicing astrologer I have recommended of course the use of gemstones among many, many other remedial measures.

It is my firm opinion that the heating process will seriously distort the planetary energy and the life force in the gemstone. This may even cause the opposite effect which was originally intended and may harm the wearer.

Please forgive me for not being aware that you are a supplier/miner of gemstones. I do as well go directly to miner when I need certain gemstones.

With best wishes:

Arpad Joo

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September 23, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Supriti,

Namaste

Siddhi Diksha mantra supercedes all doshas. One tenth of which you offer homa and then continue until siddhi is reached – then offer yagna, Guru dakshina etc.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/20/06 9:30 AM, " Supriti Majumdar " <supriti15 wrote:

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Dear Swee ji,

I have been reading your postings. I think I am doing too many

mantras too with no focus on one thing. Please do reply if you have

time. My chart has not been rectified.

I have the following afflictions (and maybe more!) in my chart:

1. Brahmin Shaapa

2. Badhakesh Me in 6th house with Ma and Ke. (Pisacha yoga)

3. Lagna has drishti from malefics only

4. Virgo, my 7th house is my BTS. It is involved in a bad exchange

with my 6th house.

The remedies I am doing:

1. Diksha Mantra

2. Ma bagala puja (Ishta)

3. Mallikarjuna mantra (BTS)

4. I have done my atmalinga mantra (Mahakaleshwar) for 1 year.

5. Krishna mahamantra for cleasing the 7th house.

7. Shiva shadakshari mantra

8. I offer milk and water to Shiva on Mondays and thursdays

9. I fast on tuesdays.

10. I wear a yellow saphhire in my right hand ring finger

11. My diksha guru gave me a red coral that I wear on my left ring

finger.

Regards

Supriti

-------------------------

Supriti

Natal Chart

September 18, 1970

Time: 17:45:33

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 22 N 34' 00 "

Kolkata, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Sadharana - Bhadrapada

Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (50.57% left)

Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)

Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (97.62% left)

Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (59.72% left)

Karana: Bava (Su) (1.14% left)

Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Cn)

Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Ta)

Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mercury)

Sunrise: 5:27:27

Sunset: 17:33:59

Janma Ghatis: 30.7543

Ayanamsa: 23-27-00.97

Sidereal Time: 17:57:02

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " UBha 1 Pi Le

Sun - DK 1 Vi 43' 10.75 " UPha 2 Vi Cp

Moon - PK 13 Ar 39' 04.35 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

Mars - PiK 16 Le 16' 58.02 " PPha 1 Le Le

Mercury ® - BK 21 Le 17' 47.53 " PPha 3 Le Li

Jupiter - GK 12 Li 09' 38.55 " Swat 2 Li Cp

Venus - MK 16 Li 26' 30.92 " Swat 3 Li Aq

Saturn ® - AK 28 Ar 59' 56.59 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

Rahu - AmK 8 Aq 02' 33.02 " Sata 1 Aq Sg

Ketu 8 Le 02' 33.02 " Magh 3 Le Ge

Maandi 22 Ge 09' 20.45 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

Gulika 12 Ge 11' 25.92 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp

Uranus 14 Vi 50' 45.42 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

Neptune 5 Sc 05' 15.93 " Anu 1 Sc Le

Pluto 3 Vi 42' 08.90 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

Bhava Lagna 5 Pi 44' 42.16 " UBha 1 Pi Le

Hora Lagna 10 Vi 16' 14.11 " Hast 1 Vi Ar

Ghati Lagna 23 Pi 50' 49.99 " Reva 3 Pi Aq

Vighati Lagna 1 Sg 43' 49.37 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Varnada Lagna 5 Le 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Le Vi

Sree Lagna 14 Pi 08' 43.09 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

Pranapada Lagna 2 Ar 13' 49.92 " Aswi 1 Ar Ar

Indu Lagna 13 Cn 39' 04.35 " Push 4 Cn Sc

Dhooma 15 Cp 03' 10.75 " Srav 2 Cp Ta

Vyatipata 14 Ge 56' 49.25 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

Parivesha 14 Sg 56' 49.25 " PSha 1 Sg Le

Indra Chapa 15 Cn 03' 10.75 " Push 4 Cn Sc

Upaketu 1 Le 43' 10.75 " Magh 1 Le Ar

Kaala 1 Le 35' 17.10 " Magh 1 Le Ar

Mrityu 16 Pi 33' 10.05 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

Artha Prahara 14 Ar 54' 46.62 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

Yama Ghantaka 9 Ta 57' 08.80 " Krit 4 Ta Pi

Prana Sphuta 10 Aq 00' 13.53 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

Deha Sphuta 1 Li 24' 00.75 " Chit 3 Li Li

Mrityu Sphuta 27 Cp 03' 12.17 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

Sookshma TriSphuta 8 Ge 27' 26.45 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg

TriSphuta 1 Ge 24' 15.79 " Mrig 3 Ge Li

ChatusSphuta 3 Sc 07' 26.54 " Visa 4 Sc Cn

PanchaSphuta 11 Vi 09' 59.56 " Hast 1 Vi Ar

V2 5 Sc 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sc Li

V3 5 Sg 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sg Cp

V4 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Pi Aq

V5 5 Ar 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Ar Ta

V6 5 Cn 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Cn Ge

V7 5 Le 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Le Vi

V8 5 Sc 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sc Li

V9 5 Sg 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sg Cp

V10 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Pi Aq

V11 5 Ar 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Ar Ta

V12 5 Cn 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Cn Ge

Kunda 0 Li 34' 27.27 " Chit 3 Li Li

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ SaR / \ / |

| \ Mo / \ Ra / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / GL \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|AL x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / Gk \ 12 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Md x |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / HL \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| x Su x |

| / \ / \ |

| / Ma \ / Ju \ |

| / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ |

+--------------+

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Ven Ven 1970-03-24 Sun 1973-07-26 Moon 1974-07-27

Mars 1976-03-24 Rah 1977-05-25 Jup 1980-05-24

Sat 1983-01-24 Merc 1986-03-24 Ket 1989-01-24

Sun Sun 1990-03-24 Moon 1990-07-14 Mars 1991-01-12

Rah 1991-05-19 Jup 1992-04-11 Sat 1993-01-29

Merc 1994-01-12 Ket 1994-11-20 Ven 1995-03-25

Moon Moon 1996-03-24 Mars 1997-01-24 Rah 1997-08-27

Jup 1999-02-23 Sat 2000-06-25 Merc 2002-01-24

Ket 2003-06-26 Ven 2004-01-24 Sun 2005-09-27

Mars Mars 2006-03-25 Rah 2006-08-24 Jup 2007-09-12

Sat 2008-08-17 Merc 2009-09-27 Ket 2010-09-24

Ven 2011-02-17 Sun 2012-04-17 Moon 2012-08-27

Rah Rah 2013-03-24 Jup 2015-12-08 Sat 2018-04-30

Merc 2021-03-06 Ket 2023-09-27 Ven 2024-10-15

Sun 2027-10-16 Moon 2028-09-08 Mars 2030-03-07

Jup Jup 2031-03-25 Sat 2033-05-13 Merc 2035-11-27

Ket 2038-03-01 Ven 2039-02-05 Sun 2041-10-09

Moon 2042-07-27 Mars 2043-11-27 Rah 2044-11-02

Sat Sat 2047-03-25 Merc 2050-03-28 Ket 2052-12-08

Ven 2054-01-15 Sun 2057-03-16 Moon 2058-02-26

Mars 2058-09-30 Rah 2060-11-08 Jup 2062-09-15

Merc Merc 2066-03-25 Ket 2068-08-24 Ven 2069-08-21

Sun 2072-06-19 Moon 2073-04-24 Mars 2073-09-27

Rah 2074-09-24 Jup 2078-04-09 Sat 2080-07-17

Ket Ket 2083-03-25 Ven 2083-08-25 Sun 2083-10-25

Moon 2085-02-26 Mars 2084-09-30 Rah 2086-02-23

Jup 2087-03-13 Sat 2088-02-18 Merc 2089-03-28

sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Swee-ji,

>

> namaskar. Thank you for your brief

but

> to-the-point analysis and suggestions of Upaaya. I will follow

according

> to my abilities. Guru associates with BK-Mangal and represents

Dharma

> Devata being in 9th from KK. Due to CK-replacement, Shukra is new-

BK and

> during the replacement (around 26.5 years of age) I received Diksha

at

> the feet of Lord Ramakrishna. Hence correct association has been

> intiated and following your suggested upaya's will be beneficial. I

will

> contact Sri Gaurav in due course. Is the donation of Yellow

Sapphire to

> be done to a brahmin or temple or to someone who needs such a

stone ?

>

> Thank you immensely for your kindness and help. Thank you also for

> sharing the knowledge.Would you kindly suggest a dakshina or a

donation

> to temple in your name?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

======================================================================

==\

> ============================

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >

> > Dear Sourav,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I work on a 24hr clock. Sorry for that. One must follow the rules

when

> > delineating. Your Guru is badhakesh and is retrograde on the

> ascendant. The

> > simple remedy (which have also worked for many) is to donate

> Brihaspati

> > murti in wood or in gold or carved out in Yellow Sapphire but

these

> > suggestions are always according to your means. Together with

this,

> offer

> > ghee, sesame, sweets, honey and sandalpaste. Padma Purana goes on

to

> suggest

> > that one should donate a Yellow Sapphire, so consider this as your

> upaya.

> > When Guru is satisfied, he in turn will give his blessings and

> hopefully

> > “absorb” negative karma accrued by you. Then only may you

> consider wearing

> > the Yellow Sapphire.

> > Because your lagna lord aspects the movable signs together with

Mars,

> both

> > Mars and Saturn are involved in a negative aspect on your 5th

with a

> > negative Moon. The dispositor of course, is Venus and 9th from

your

> AL.

> > The alternative to a diamond is the white sapphire (refer to my

> article).

> > The white sapphire belongs to the corundum family and it is much

> cheaper and

> > purer; easier to get a flawless one– less inclusions than a

> diamond (forget

> > the flawless D col, it is far beyond ordinary reach.) Should you

> choose a 5

> > carater to wear round your neck, it should not cost you more than

> $80/carat

> > at commercial prices.

> > Next, you wrote on a Tuesday during Trayodashi ruled by Guru – in

> my opinion

> > consider the upaya to Guru and wear a red coral as the next

dwisaptati

> dasa

> > in 2008 is also Mars.

> > Gaurav Jain’s email – yobrevol@ and I have seen and bought

> jyotish

> > quality gems from him. A friend of mine was cheated buying from

> Thailand off

> > the internet – I am unhappy about this, because in the trade, when

> one says

> > it is that col or quality and natural, rest assure that this is

what

> you’ll

> > get. PGA is not an authority like the association in USA. If you

lie,

> you

> > are liable to a fine and maybe be struck off. Gaurav is a member

of

> that

> > assoc. So you can rest easy.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> > sweechan@

> >

> > On 9/20/06 4:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

> > >

> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.

This is

> > > interesting.

> > >

> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of

a

> *pale*

> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).

> Please provide

> > > be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller

also

> have good

> > > qualities ?

> > >

> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should

be

> January 3,

> > > 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma

Rasi is

> Tula.

> > >

> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is

in

> Lagna in

> > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus.

> Guru is also

> > > in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong

in my

> chart in

> > > Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes

> primary control

> > > of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord. Hence,

to

> transfer the

> > > power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only gemstone

> suitable, is

> > > for Guru.

> > >

> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

==================================================================

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > >> > Namaste

> > >> >

> > >> > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological

section

> in the VRA

> > >> > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do

not

> agree with

> > >> > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> > >> >

> > >> > 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now,

> the gemstone

> > >> > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states

> that this is

> > >> > to be avoided.

> > >> > 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat

> treated. Which

> > >> > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat

> treated? The

> > >> > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x

> magnification is the

> > >> > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least

about

> 80x, you

> > >> > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.

From

> experience,

> > >> > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra

> lustre that a

> > >> > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow

sapphire,

> it

> > >> > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase

the

> rough or

> > >> > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and

facets

> the

> > >> > gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri

> Lankan and

> > >> Indian

> > >> > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally

> accepted. If you

> > >> > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you.

> Though his

> > >> > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you

> request for.

> > >> > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL,

> topaz comes in

> > >> > either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> irradiated. So it

> > >> > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the

radiation

> from the

> > >> > gemstone does harm to your body.

> > >> > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x

0.8 =

> 5.6 carats

> > >> > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to

answer.

> But the

> > >> > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,

hence a

> tendency

> > >> > for a weight challenged person to put on a

> “bigger-is-better” gemstone will

> > >> > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your

question: Is

> bigger

> > >> > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have

> seen very

> > >> good

> > >> > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and

> flowers

> > >> > pertaining to that planet, Guru’s blessings if possible,

offer

> dakshina and

> > >> > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either

> round the neck

> > >> > (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> > >> > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is

> your 5th lord

> > >> > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck

> etc. So why not

> > >> > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If

it is

> wealth and

> > >> > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord

> on the

> > >> > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was

> meant for you

> > >> > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana

and

> paka lagna.

> > >> >

> > >> > Love,

> > >> >

> > >> > Swee

> > >> > sweechan@

> > >> >

> > >> > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > >>> > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very

> limited and

> > >>> only

> > >>> > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also

have

> your JD

> > >>> article).

> > >>> > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I

> wanted to know

> > >>> why in

> > >>> > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended

by 7

> Rattis is

> > >>> > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just

that

> " larger

> > is

> > >>> > > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on

> weights are

> > >>> > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher

> weights are not

> > >>> > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow

> topaz for my

> > >>> case

> > >>> > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri

Ayanaamsa). I

> am

> > >>> wondering

> > >>> > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7

ratti

> stone

> > >>> would be

> > >>> > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying

a

> heated vs.

> > >>> > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone

used

> by another

> > >>> person

> > >>> > > earlier ?

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Thank you.

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Sourav

> > >>> > >

> > >>>

> >

>

======================================================================

==\

> ======

> > >>> > > ===================

> > >>> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > >>>>> > >> > Namaste

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of

yore

> also did

> > >>>>> penances

> > >>>>> > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence

> their punya

> > >>>>> is good

> > >>>> > >> to

> > >>>>> > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> indications of the

> > 9th

> > >>>> > >> house.

> > >>>>> > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire

for the

> 9th

> > >>>>> house, it

> > >>>> > >> does

> > >>>>> > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that

> amongst all

> > other

> > >>>> > >> jewels,

> > >>>>> > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and

> unbreakable. If

> > >>>> > >> recollection

> > >>>>> > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of

> giving a RY for

> > a

> > >>>>> > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> > >>>>> > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon

and is

> the most

> > >>>>> abundant

> > >>>>> > >> > “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones

> do not have

> > colour

> > >>>>> > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in

them

> cause the

> > >>>>> colour.

> > >>>>> > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate

that

> a diamond

> > >>>>> with >>

> > >> > the

> > >>>>> > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu

> Dharmottara)– note

> > >>>>> the word,

> > >>>>> > >> > small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula

> (rice grain) = 8

> > x 20 =

> > >>>>> > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season

rice is

> medium

> > >>>>> grain, take

> > >>>>> > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati =

800mg; 1

> gram=5

> > >>>>> carats) >>

> > >> > and

> > >>>>> > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough

> unpolished 2.46

> > carat

> > >>>>> > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well

nearly)

> :-)); “a

> > >>>>> king who

> > >>>>> > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes

> one year for

> > >>>>> one carat

> > >>>>> > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling

time

> is much

> > >>>>> faster,

> > >>>>> > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is

evident.

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Answer to your questions:

> > >>>>> > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary

> gemstones,

> > >>>>> less weight

> > >>>>> > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu

> Dharmottara gave the

> > entire

> > >>>>> > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn

by

> the King –

> > that

> > >>>> > >> goes

> > >>>>> > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was

also

> stated in

> > my

> > >>>>> > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be

big

> and for

> > >>>>> those to

> > >>>>> > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky

high

> prices,

> > >>>>> is less

> > >>>>> > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because

some

> person

> > >>>>> told me

> > >>>>> > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get

> this pearl.

> > >>>>> BUT what

> > >>>>> > >> > is big may seem small to another – so its all

> relative.

> > >>>>> > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours

equated

> to the

> > >>>>> Tamal tree,

> > >>>>> > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine;

same

> beryi

> > >>>>> family as

> > >>>>> > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an

> important

> > >>>>> factor, though

> > >>>>> > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough

gem

> of

> > >>>>> importance.

> > >>>> > >> Those

> > >>>>> > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds

like

> gravel

> > >>>>> finds) are

> > >>>>> > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt,

> alien to the

> > >>>>> > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who

wishes

> victory

> > (6th

> > >>>>> > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon

etc)

> > >>>>> > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted

diamond is

> a fraction

> > of a

> > >>>>> > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The

addendum to

> the Sun

> > giving

> > >>>>> > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In

spiritual

> equation,

> > >>>>> he is not

> > >>>>> > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also

goes

> with the

> > >>>>> statement

> > >>>>> > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the

ruby

> or the blue

> > >>>> > >> sapphire

> > >>>>> > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal

to

> the red gem

> > >>>>> (we can

> > >>>>> > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more

> meritorious

> > >>>>> than the

> > >>>>> > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels

> because, burnt

> > by the

> > >>>>> > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body

of a

> man. V.

> > Dharm.

> > >>>>> > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,

necklace

> and

> > >>>>> bracelets of

> > >>>>> > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems –

> Vishnu Dhar.

> > >>>>> > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> > >>>>> > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the

oval

> shape is

> > >>>>> ruled by

> > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the

crystalisation.

> An

> > >>>>> emerald is

> > >>>>> > >> > usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or

> a square, so

> > >>>>> like that,

> > >>>>> > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of

the

> crystal as

> > >>>> > >> suggested

> > >>>>> > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized

gem

> is that it

> > is an

> > >>>>> > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an

> emerald.

> > >>>>> > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a

> waxing Moon,

> > >>>>> Jupiter

> > >>>>> > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow

Sapphire,

> as we now

> > know

> > >>>>> > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The

Artharvaveda

> considers

> > >>>>> another

> > >>>>> > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.

There

> are many

> > >>>>> ifs and

> > >>>>> > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are

> important. A Green

> > >>>>> Diamond

> > >>>>> > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown

> diamond should

> > >>>>> be worn

> > >>>> > >> by

> > >>>>> > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who

> wishes for a

> > >>>>> son should

> > >>>>> > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette

> (rectangle).

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Love,

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Swee

> > >>>>> > >> > sweechan@

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please

answer?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is

given.

> Some of the

> > values

> > >> > are

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation

> done to

> > >>>>>>> determine how

> > >>>>> > >>> much

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind

> these

> > >>>>>>> proposed weights

> > >> > ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific

purpose

> to be

> > served ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the

> gemstone ? For

> > example,

> > >>>>> > >>> high

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the

cut of

> the

> > >>>>>>> gemstone ? Also,

> > >> > are

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific

> gemstones ? I

> > >>>>>>> understand

> > >>>>> > >>> that

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or

from

> beauty

> > >>>>>>> perspective,

> > >>>>> > >>> some

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if

these

> cuts have an

> > >>>>> > >>> astrological

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > reason.

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis

weights

> and cuts 5

> > gemstones

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to

people ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>

> =================================================================

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>> > >

> > >> >

> > >

> >

>

September 23, 2006

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Dear Swee ji,

Thank you so much for your reply. I guess, as an ignorant mortal I

am looking in different places whereas complete faith and surrender

is the only way.

Regards

Supriti

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

>

> Dear Supriti,

> Namaste

>

> Ooopsie, I mean your siddhi diksha mantra encompasses any dosha.

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

> sweechan

>

> On 9/23/06 6:34 AM, " Swee Chan " <sweechan wrote:

>

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >

> > Dear Supriti,

> > Namaste

> >

> > Siddhi Diksha mantra supercedes all doshas. One tenth of which

you offer homa

> > and then continue until siddhi is reached then offer yagna,

Guru dakshina

> > etc.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> > sweechan

> >

> > On 9/20/06 9:30 AM, " Supriti Majumdar " <supriti15 wrote:

> >

> >>

> >> |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> >> Dear Swee ji,

> >>

> >> I have been reading your postings. I think I am doing too many

> >> mantras too with no focus on one thing. Please do reply if you

have

> >> time. My chart has not been rectified.

> >>

> >> I have the following afflictions (and maybe more!) in my chart:

> >>

> >> 1. Brahmin Shaapa

> >> 2. Badhakesh Me in 6th house with Ma and Ke. (Pisacha yoga)

> >> 3. Lagna has drishti from malefics only

> >> 4. Virgo, my 7th house is my BTS. It is involved in a bad

exchange

> >> with my 6th house.

> >>

> >> The remedies I am doing:

> >> 1. Diksha Mantra

> >> 2. Ma bagala puja (Ishta)

> >> 3. Mallikarjuna mantra (BTS)

> >> 4. I have done my atmalinga mantra (Mahakaleshwar) for 1 year.

> >> 5. Krishna mahamantra for cleasing the 7th house.

> >> 7. Shiva shadakshari mantra

> >> 8. I offer milk and water to Shiva on Mondays and thursdays

> >> 9. I fast on tuesdays.

> >> 10. I wear a yellow saphhire in my right hand ring finger

> >> 11. My diksha guru gave me a red coral that I wear on my left

ring

> >> finger.

> >>

> >> Regards

> >> Supriti

> >>

> >> -------------------------

> >>

> >> Supriti

> >>

> >> Natal Chart

> >>

> >> September 18, 1970

> >> Time: 17:45:33

> >> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >> Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 22 N 34' 00 "

> >> Kolkata, India

> >> Altitude: 0.00 meters

> >>

> >> Lunar Yr-Mo: Sadharana - Bhadrapada

> >> Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (50.57% left)

> >> Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)

> >> Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (97.62% left)

> >> Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (59.72% left)

> >> Karana: Bava (Su) (1.14% left)

> >> Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Cn)

> >> Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Ta)

> >> Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mercury)

> >>

> >> Sunrise: 5:27:27

> >> Sunset: 17:33:59

> >> Janma Ghatis: 30.7543

> >>

> >> Ayanamsa: 23-27-00.97

> >> Sidereal Time: 17:57:02

> >>

> >> Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >>

> >> Lagna 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " UBha 1 Pi Le

> >> Sun - DK 1 Vi 43' 10.75 " UPha 2 Vi Cp

> >> Moon - PK 13 Ar 39' 04.35 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

> >> Mars - PiK 16 Le 16' 58.02 " PPha 1 Le Le

> >> Mercury ® - BK 21 Le 17' 47.53 " PPha 3 Le Li

> >> Jupiter - GK 12 Li 09' 38.55 " Swat 2 Li Cp

> >> Venus - MK 16 Li 26' 30.92 " Swat 3 Li Aq

> >> Saturn ® - AK 28 Ar 59' 56.59 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

> >> Rahu - AmK 8 Aq 02' 33.02 " Sata 1 Aq Sg

> >> Ketu 8 Le 02' 33.02 " Magh 3 Le Ge

> >> Maandi 22 Ge 09' 20.45 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

> >> Gulika 12 Ge 11' 25.92 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp

> >> Uranus 14 Vi 50' 45.42 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

> >> Neptune 5 Sc 05' 15.93 " Anu 1 Sc Le

> >> Pluto 3 Vi 42' 08.90 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

> >> Bhava Lagna 5 Pi 44' 42.16 " UBha 1 Pi Le

> >> Hora Lagna 10 Vi 16' 14.11 " Hast 1 Vi Ar

> >> Ghati Lagna 23 Pi 50' 49.99 " Reva 3 Pi Aq

> >> Vighati Lagna 1 Sg 43' 49.37 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> >> Varnada Lagna 5 Le 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Le Vi

> >> Sree Lagna 14 Pi 08' 43.09 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

> >> Pranapada Lagna 2 Ar 13' 49.92 " Aswi 1 Ar Ar

> >> Indu Lagna 13 Cn 39' 04.35 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> >> Dhooma 15 Cp 03' 10.75 " Srav 2 Cp Ta

> >> Vyatipata 14 Ge 56' 49.25 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

> >> Parivesha 14 Sg 56' 49.25 " PSha 1 Sg Le

> >> Indra Chapa 15 Cn 03' 10.75 " Push 4 Cn Sc

> >> Upaketu 1 Le 43' 10.75 " Magh 1 Le Ar

> >> Kaala 1 Le 35' 17.10 " Magh 1 Le Ar

> >> Mrityu 16 Pi 33' 10.05 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

> >> Artha Prahara 14 Ar 54' 46.62 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

> >> Yama Ghantaka 9 Ta 57' 08.80 " Krit 4 Ta Pi

> >> Prana Sphuta 10 Aq 00' 13.53 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

> >> Deha Sphuta 1 Li 24' 00.75 " Chit 3 Li Li

> >> Mrityu Sphuta 27 Cp 03' 12.17 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

> >> Sookshma TriSphuta 8 Ge 27' 26.45 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg

> >> TriSphuta 1 Ge 24' 15.79 " Mrig 3 Ge Li

> >> ChatusSphuta 3 Sc 07' 26.54 " Visa 4 Sc Cn

> >> PanchaSphuta 11 Vi 09' 59.56 " Hast 1 Vi Ar

> >> V2 5 Sc 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sc Li

> >> V3 5 Sg 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sg Cp

> >> V4 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Pi Aq

> >> V5 5 Ar 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Ar Ta

> >> V6 5 Cn 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Cn Ge

> >> V7 5 Le 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Le Vi

> >> V8 5 Sc 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sc Li

> >> V9 5 Sg 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sg Cp

> >> V10 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Pi Aq

> >> V11 5 Ar 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Ar Ta

> >> V12 5 Cn 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Cn Ge

> >> Kunda 0 Li 34' 27.27 " Chit 3 Li Li

> >>

> >> Rasi

> >> +--------------+

> >> | \ SaR / \ / |

> >> | \ Mo / \ Ra / |

> >> | \ / \ / |

> >> | \ / GL \ / |

> >> | \ / \ / |

> >> |AL x As x |

> >> | / \ / \ |

> >> | / Gk \ 12 / \ |

> >> | / \ / \ |

> >> | Md x |

> >> | \ / \ / |

> >> | \ / HL \ / |

> >> | \ / \ / |

> >> | x Su x |

> >> | / \ / \ |

> >> | / Ma \ / Ju \ |

> >> | / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ |

> >> +--------------+

> >>

> >> Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> >>

> >> Ven Ven 1970-03-24 Sun 1973-07-26 Moon 1974-07-27

> >> Mars 1976-03-24 Rah 1977-05-25 Jup 1980-05-24

> >> Sat 1983-01-24 Merc 1986-03-24 Ket 1989-01-24

> >> Sun Sun 1990-03-24 Moon 1990-07-14 Mars 1991-01-12

> >> Rah 1991-05-19 Jup 1992-04-11 Sat 1993-01-29

> >> Merc 1994-01-12 Ket 1994-11-20 Ven 1995-03-25

> >> Moon Moon 1996-03-24 Mars 1997-01-24 Rah 1997-08-27

> >> Jup 1999-02-23 Sat 2000-06-25 Merc 2002-01-24

> >> Ket 2003-06-26 Ven 2004-01-24 Sun 2005-09-27

> >> Mars Mars 2006-03-25 Rah 2006-08-24 Jup 2007-09-12

> >> Sat 2008-08-17 Merc 2009-09-27 Ket 2010-09-24

> >> Ven 2011-02-17 Sun 2012-04-17 Moon 2012-08-27

> >> Rah Rah 2013-03-24 Jup 2015-12-08 Sat 2018-04-30

> >> Merc 2021-03-06 Ket 2023-09-27 Ven 2024-10-15

> >> Sun 2027-10-16 Moon 2028-09-08 Mars 2030-03-07

> >> Jup Jup 2031-03-25 Sat 2033-05-13 Merc 2035-11-27

> >> Ket 2038-03-01 Ven 2039-02-05 Sun 2041-10-09

> >> Moon 2042-07-27 Mars 2043-11-27 Rah 2044-11-02

> >> Sat Sat 2047-03-25 Merc 2050-03-28 Ket 2052-12-08

> >> Ven 2054-01-15 Sun 2057-03-16 Moon 2058-02-26

> >> Mars 2058-09-30 Rah 2060-11-08 Jup 2062-09-15

> >> Merc Merc 2066-03-25 Ket 2068-08-24 Ven 2069-08-21

> >> Sun 2072-06-19 Moon 2073-04-24 Mars 2073-09-27

> >> Rah 2074-09-24 Jup 2078-04-09 Sat 2080-07-17

> >> Ket Ket 2083-03-25 Ven 2083-08-25 Sun 2083-10-25

> >> Moon 2085-02-26 Mars 2084-09-30 Rah 2086-02-23

> >> Jup 2087-03-13 Sat 2088-02-18 Merc 2089-03-28

> >>

> >> sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , " Sourav "

> >> <souravc108@> wrote:

> >>> >

> >>> > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>> >

> >>> > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>> >

> >>> > namaskar. Thank you for your

brief

> >> but

> >>> > to-the-point analysis and suggestions of Upaaya. I will

follow

> >> according

> >>> > to my abilities. Guru associates with BK-Mangal and

represents

> >> Dharma

> >>> > Devata being in 9th from KK. Due to CK-replacement, Shukra

is new-

> >> BK and

> >>> > during the replacement (around 26.5 years of age) I received

Diksha

> >> at

> >>> > the feet of Lord Ramakrishna. Hence correct association has

been

> >>> > intiated and following your suggested upaya's will be

beneficial. I

> >> will

> >>> > contact Sri Gaurav in due course. Is the donation of Yellow

> >> Sapphire to

> >>> > be done to a brahmin or temple or to someone who needs such a

> >> stone ?

> >>> >

> >>> > Thank you immensely for your kindness and help. Thank you

also for

> >>> > sharing the knowledge.Would you kindly suggest a dakshina or

a

> >> donation

> >>> > to temple in your name?

> >>> >

> >>> > Best wishes,

> >>> >

> >>> > Sourav

> >>> >

> >>

=====================================================================

=

> >> ==\

> >>> > ============================

> >>> >

> >>> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , Swee

> >>> Chan <sweechan@> wrote:

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Dear Sourav,

> >>>> > > Namaste

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > I work on a 24hr clock. Sorry for that. One must follow

the rules

> >> when

> >>>> > > delineating. Your Guru is badhakesh and is retrograde on

the

> >>> > ascendant. The

> >>>> > > simple remedy (which have also worked for many) is to

donate

> >>> > Brihaspati

> >>>> > > murti in wood or in gold or carved out in Yellow Sapphire

but

> >> these

> >>>> > > suggestions are always according to your means. Together

with

> >> this,

> >>> > offer

> >>>> > > ghee, sesame, sweets, honey and sandalpaste. Padma Purana

goes on

> >> to

> >>> > suggest

> >>>> > > that one should donate a Yellow Sapphire, so consider

this as your

> >>> > upaya.

> >>>> > > When Guru is satisfied, he in turn will give his

blessings and

> >>> > hopefully

> >>>> > > ³absorb² negative karma accrued by you. Then only may you

> >>> > consider wearing

> >>>> > > the Yellow Sapphire.

> >>>> > > Because your lagna lord aspects the movable signs

together with

> >> Mars,

> >>> > both

> >>>> > > Mars and Saturn are involved in a negative aspect on your

5th

> >> with a

> >>>> > > negative Moon. The dispositor of course, is Venus and 9th

from

> >> your

> >>> > AL.

> >>>> > > The alternative to a diamond is the white sapphire (refer

to my

> >>> > article).

> >>>> > > The white sapphire belongs to the corundum family and it

is much

> >>> > cheaper and

> >>>> > > purer; easier to get a flawless one less inclusions than a

> >>> > diamond (forget

> >>>> > > the flawless D col, it is far beyond ordinary reach.)

Should you

> >>> > choose a 5

> >>>> > > carater to wear round your neck, it should not cost you

more than

> >>> > $80/carat

> >>>> > > at commercial prices.

> >>>> > > Next, you wrote on a Tuesday during Trayodashi ruled by

Guru in

> >>> > my opinion

> >>>> > > consider the upaya to Guru and wear a red coral as the

> >>> > dasa

> >>>> > > in 2008 is also Mars.

> >>>> > > Gaurav Jain¹s email yobrevol@ and I have seen and bought

> >>> > jyotish

> >>>> > > quality gems from him. A friend of mine was cheated

buying from

> >>> > Thailand off

> >>>> > > the internet I am unhappy about this, because in the

trade, when

> >>> > one says

> >>>> > > it is that col or quality and natural, rest assure that

this is

> >> what

> >>> > you¹ll

> >>>> > > get. PGA is not an authority like the association in USA.

If you

> >> lie,

> >>> > you

> >>>> > > are liable to a fine and maybe be struck off. Gaurav is a

member

> >> of

> >>> > that

> >>>> > > assoc. So you can rest easy.

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Love,

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > Swee

> >>>> > > sweechan@

> >>>> > >

> >>>> > > On 9/20/06 4:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>> > >

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x

magnification.

> >> This is

> >>>>> > > > interesting.

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow

Sapphire of

> >> a

> >>> > *pale*

> >>>>> > > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely

treated).

> >>> > Please provide

> >>>>> > > > be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A

seller

> >> also

> >>> > have good

> >>>>> > > > qualities ?

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m.

It should

> >> be

> >>> > January 3,

> >>>>> > > > 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna.

Janma

> >> Rasi is

> >>> > Tula.

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and

Guru is

> >> in

> >>> > Lagna in

> >>>>> > > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused

neechabhanga thus.

> >>> > Guru is also

> >>>>> > > > in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is

very strong

> >> in my

> >>> > chart in

> >>>>> > > > Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house

and takes

> >>> > primary control

> >>>>> > > > of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th

lord. Hence,

> >> to

> >>> > transfer the

> >>>>> > > > power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only

gemstone

> >>> > suitable, is

> >>>>> > > > for Guru.

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > Thank you in anticipation.

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > Best wishes,

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > Sourav

> >>>>> > > >

> >>

==================================================================

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>>> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> ,

> >>>>> Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>> > > >> > Namaste

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > I think someone is supposed to re-write the

gemological

> >> section

> >>> > in the VRA

> >>>>>>> > > >> > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I

simply do

> >> not

> >>> > agree with

> >>>>>>> > > >> > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > 1. Peridot To be used in lieu of debilitated

Mercury. Now,

> >>> > the gemstone

> >>>>>>> > > >> > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana

categorically states

> >>> > that this is

> >>>>>>> > > >> > to be avoided.

> >>>>>>> > > >> > 2. Imperial Topaz is always I mean almost never

NOT heat

> >>> > treated. Which

> >>>>>>> > > >> > comes to the point: How do we know if the

gemstone is heat

> >>> > treated? The

> >>>>>>> > > >> > answer is, we cannot especially when in the

Trade, 10x

> >>> > magnification is the

> >>>>>>> > > >> > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to

at least

> >> about

> >>> > 80x, you

> >>>>>>> > > >> > should be able to make the ripples caused by the

heating.

> >> From

> >>> > experience,

> >>>>>>> > > >> > you will see that a natural gemstone does not

have that extra

> >>> > lustre that a

> >>>>>>> > > >> > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated

yellow

> >> sapphire,

> >>> > it

> >>>>>>> > > >> > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to

purchase

> >> the

> >>> > rough or

> >>>>>>> > > >> > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough

gemstone and

> >> facets

> >>> > the

> >>>>>>> > > >> > gemstones themselves not a slight on the people,

but Sri

> >>> > Lankan and

> >>>>>> > > >> Indian

> >>>>>>> > > >> > facets on colour gemstones are still not

internationally

> >>> > accepted. If you

> >>>>>>> > > >> > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can

perhaps help you.

> >>> > Though his

> >>>>>>> > > >> > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to

get what you

> >>> > request for.

> >>>>>>> > > >> > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being

recommended ALL,

> >>> > topaz comes in

> >>>>>>> > > >> > either blue of white mostly white. Your yellow

topaz is

> >>> > irradiated. So it

> >>>>>>> > > >> > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo,

the

> >> radiation

> >>> > from the

> >>>>>>> > > >> > gemstone does harm to your body.

> >>>>>>> > > >> > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7

ratti x

> >> 0.8 =

> >>> > 5.6 carats

> >>>>>>> > > >> > is some configuration which I will leave for

Sanjay ji to

> >> answer.

> >>> > But the

> >>>>>>> > > >> > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest

planet,

> >> hence a

> >>> > tendency

> >>>>>>> > > >> > for a weight challenged person to put on a

> >>> > ³bigger-is-better² gemstone will

> >>>>>>> > > >> > increase his weight much faster. But answer to

your

> >> question: Is

> >>> > bigger

> >>>>>>> > > >> > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats

sufficent? I have

> >>> > seen very

> >>>>>> > > >> good

> >>>>>>> > > >> > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer

puja and

> >>> > flowers

> >>>>>>> > > >> > pertaining to that planet, Guru¹s blessings if

possible,

> >> offer

> >>> > dakshina and

> >>>>>>> > > >> > then choose a good muhurta to install your

gemstone either

> >>> > round the neck

> >>>>>>> > > >> > (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> >>>>>>> > > >> > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in

vaisheshikamsa and is

> >>> > your 5th lord

> >>>>>>> > > >> > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in job,

bhukti, luck

> >>> > etc. So why not

> >>>>>>> > > >> > also consider wearing this round your neck or

your arm? If

> >> it is

> >>> > wealth and

> >>>>>>> > > >> > recognition, then a diamond can do the job

better 11th lord

> >>> > on the

> >>>>>>> > > >> > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-

9) mantra was

> >>> > meant for you

> >>>>>>> > > >> > as the final energy shift is to the 7th

house/badhaksthana

> >> and

> >>> > paka lagna.

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > Love,

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > Swee

> >>>>>>> > > >> > sweechan@

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>>>> > > >> > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of

gemstones is very

> >>> > limited and

> >>>>>>> > > >>> only

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the

groups (I also

> >> have

> >>> > your JD

> >>>>>>> > > >>> article).

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now

and future. I

> >>> > wanted to know

> >>>>>>> > > >>> why in

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not

recommended

> >> by 7

> >>> > Rattis is

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ?

or is it just

> >> that

> >>> > " larger

> >>>> > > is

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this

restiction on

> >>> > weights are

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > mentioned (some lower weights are

recommended and higher

> >>> > weights are not

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to

wear a yellow

> >>> > topaz for my

> >>>>>>> > > >>> case

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta,

Lahiri

> >> Ayanaamsa). I

> >>> > am

> >>>>>>> > > >>> wondering

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > what is the best affordable size. Of course

a flawless 7

> >> ratti

> >>> > stone

> >>>>>>> > > >>> would be

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way

of verifying

> >> a

> >>> > heated vs.

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear

a gemstone

> >> used

> >>> > by another

> >>>>>>> > > >>> person

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > earlier ?

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > Thank you.

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > Sourav

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > > >>>

> >>>> > >

> >>> >

> >>

=====================================================================

=

> >> ==\

> >>> > ======

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > ===================

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > > sohamsa

> >>>>>>>>> <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan sweechan@

wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Dear Sourav,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Namaste

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Firstly we need to understand that

a King in days

> of

> >> yore

> >>> > also did

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> penances

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > to get to where they are in their

present life.

> Hence

> >>> > their punya

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> is good

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> to

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > take birth with

fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> >>> > indications of the

> >>>> > > 9th

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> house.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Now when one you only recommend a

Yellow Sapphire

> >> for the

> >>> > 9th

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> house, it

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> does

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > not tally with the statements in

the puranas;

> that

> >>> > amongst all

> >>>> > > other

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> jewels,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is

spotless and

> >>> > unbreakable. If

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> recollection

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that

Saturn is capable

> of

> >>> > giving a RY for

> >>>> > > a

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Consider that the diamond is

created out of

> carbon

> >> and is

> >>> > the most

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> abundant

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > ³gem² found in the world.

Originally, all

> gemstones

> >>> > do not have

> >>>> > > colour

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign

matter/minerals

> in

> >> them

> >>> > cause the

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> colour.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > As in both puranas I have come

across, both

> indicate

> >> that

> >>> > a diamond

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> with >>

> >>>>>>> > > >> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small

(from Vishnu

> >>> > Dharmottara) note

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> the word,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > small in the Garuda Purana, it

states 20

> tandula

> >>> > (rice grain) = 8

> >>>> > > x 20 =

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since

the all-season

> >> rice is

> >>> > medium

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> grain, take

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46

carats (1 rati =

> >> 800mg; 1

> >>> > gram=5

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> carats) >>

> >>>>>>> > > >> > and

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > this weight is only given for the

diamond. A

> rough

> >>> > unpolished 2.46

> >>>> > > carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a

mote (well

> >> nearly)

> >>> > :-)); ³a

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> king who

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his

enemies². It

> takes

> >>> > one year for

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> one carat

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy

gem, the

> cooling

> >> time

> >>> > is much

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> faster,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > then the degradation of the

crystalisation is

> >> evident.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Answer to your questions:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those

that are

> primary

> >>> > gemstones,

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> less weight

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy.

The Vishnu

> >>> > Dharmottara gave the

> >>>> > > entire

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > range of gemstones and said all

these should be

> worn

> >> by

> >>> > the King

> >>>> > > that

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> goes

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira

etc. (This

> was

> >> also

> >>> > stated in

> >>>> > > my

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > article). It is also stated that

the Pearl should

> be

> >> big

> >>> > and for

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> those to

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > want to save some money, the sankha

pearl though

> sky

> >> high

> >>> > prices,

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> is less

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I

say this,

> because

> >> some

> >>> > person

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> told me

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > that he waited so many years and

saved up just to

> get

> >>> > this pearl.

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> BUT what

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > is big may seem small to another

so its all

> >>> > relative.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous

(clarity), colours

> >> equated

> >>> > to the

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Tamal tree,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue

gem

> (aquamarine;

> >> same

> >>> > beryi

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> family as

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > emerald) and commercialism

considers the cut as

> an

> >>> > important

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> factor, though

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > in the puranas, it considers the

crystallised

> rough

> >> gem

> >>> > of

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> importance.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> Those

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > carried about by wolves, broken,

jagged etc

> (sounds

> >> like

> >>> > gravel

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> finds) are

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > to be discarded. The rest like

internal flaws,

> dirt,

> >>> > alien to the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > mineralisation should be avoided

for the King who

> >> wishes

> >>> > victory

> >>>> > > (6th

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > house?), wealth (several houses)

and long life

> (Moon

> >> etc)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An

unfaceted

> >> diamond is

> >>> > a fraction

> >>>> > > of a

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider

this :-)) The

> >> addendum to

> >>> > the Sun

> >>>> > > giving

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite

the case. In

> >> spiritual

> >>> > equation,

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> he is not

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree

on this, it

> also

> >> goes

> >>> > with the

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> statement

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > form the G. Purana that one who

wishes to wear

> the

> >> ruby

> >>> > or the blue

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> sapphire

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning

from the

> crystal

> >> to

> >>> > the red gem

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> (we can

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > also consider a red beryly here),

the red gem is

> more

> >>> > meritorious

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> than the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > former. The King should always wear

the best

> jewels

> >>> > because, burnt

> >>>> > > by the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes

away from the

> body

> >> of a

> >>> > man. V.

> >>>> > > Dharm.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand

ornaments,

> >> necklace

> >>> > and

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> bracelets of

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Kings should be prepared from

meritorious gems

> >>> > Vishnu Dhar.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to

the planets,

> the

> >> oval

> >>> > shape is

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> ruled by

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature

of the

> >> crystalisation.

> >>> > An

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> emerald is

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > usually an ³emerald² cut/cut corner

rectangular

> or

> >>> > a square, so

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> like that,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > we follow this as close as possible

to the shape

> of

> >> the

> >>> > crystal as

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> suggested

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid

for a small

> sized

> >> gem

> >>> > is that it

> >>>> > > is an

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided

especially for an

> >>> > emerald.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a

stand alone

> Mercury, a

> >>> > waxing Moon,

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Jupiter

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > and Venus can all do the work as

well as Yellow

> >> Sapphire,

> >>> > as we now

> >>>> > > know

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is

best. The

> >> Artharvaveda

> >>> > considers

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> another

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52

types of magic.

> >> There

> >>> > are many

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> ifs and

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and

the colours are

> >>> > important. A Green

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> Diamond

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda

Purana). A

> brown

> >>> > diamond should

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> be worn

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>> > >> by

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a

Brahmin. A woman

> who

> >>> > wishes for a

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> son should

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it

is a baguette

> >>> > (rectangle).

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Love,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > Swee

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > sweechan@

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav "

souravc108@ wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several

questions regarding

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time

can you please

> >> answer?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of

each gemstone is

> >> given.

> >>> > Some of the

> >>>> > > values

> >>>>>>> > > >> > are

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a

specific

> calculation

> >>> > done to

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> determine how

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> much

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the

rationality

> behind

> >>> > these

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> proposed weights

> >>>>>>> > > >> > ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend

on a specific

> >> purpose

> >>> > to be

> >>>> > > served ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on

quality of

> the

> >>> > gemstone ? For

> >>>> > > example,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> high

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection

depend on the

> >> cut of

> >>> > the

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> gemstone ? Also,

> >>>>>>> > > >> > are

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > there some specific cuts

useful for specific

> >>> > gemstones ? I

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> understand

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > from the stability of the

cystal perspective

> or

> >> from

> >>> > beauty

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> perspective,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> some

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I

want to know if

> >> these

> >>> > cuts have an

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >>> astrological

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > reason.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for

the rattis

> >> weights

> >>> > and cuts 5

> >>>> > > gemstones

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > commonly used that can be

recommended to

> >> people ?

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>

> >>> >

=================================================================

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>> > >> >

> >>>>>>>>> > > >>> > >

> >>>>>>> > > >> >

> >>>>> > > >

> >>>> > >

> >>> >

> >>

> >

>

September 23, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Supriti,

Namaste

Ooopsie, I mean your siddhi diksha mantra encompasses any dosha.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/23/06 6:34 AM, " Swee Chan " <sweechan wrote:

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Supriti,

Namaste

Siddhi Diksha mantra supercedes all doshas. One tenth of which you offer homa and then continue until siddhi is reached – then offer yagna, Guru dakshina etc.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/20/06 9:30 AM, " Supriti Majumdar " <supriti15 wrote:

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Dear Swee ji,

I have been reading your postings. I think I am doing too many

mantras too with no focus on one thing. Please do reply if you have

time. My chart has not been rectified.

I have the following afflictions (and maybe more!) in my chart:

1. Brahmin Shaapa

2. Badhakesh Me in 6th house with Ma and Ke. (Pisacha yoga)

3. Lagna has drishti from malefics only

4. Virgo, my 7th house is my BTS. It is involved in a bad exchange

with my 6th house.

The remedies I am doing:

1. Diksha Mantra

2. Ma bagala puja (Ishta)

3. Mallikarjuna mantra (BTS)

4. I have done my atmalinga mantra (Mahakaleshwar) for 1 year.

5. Krishna mahamantra for cleasing the 7th house.

7. Shiva shadakshari mantra

8. I offer milk and water to Shiva on Mondays and thursdays

9. I fast on tuesdays.

10. I wear a yellow saphhire in my right hand ring finger

11. My diksha guru gave me a red coral that I wear on my left ring

finger.

Regards

Supriti

-------------------------

Supriti

Natal Chart

September 18, 1970

Time: 17:45:33

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 22 N 34' 00 "

Kolkata, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Sadharana - Bhadrapada

Tithi: Krishna Chaturthi (Me) (50.57% left)

Vedic Weekday: Friday (Ve)

Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (97.62% left)

Yoga: Vyaghata (Ve) (59.72% left)

Karana: Bava (Su) (1.14% left)

Hora Lord: Mars (5 min sign: Cn)

Mahakala Hora: Mars (5 min sign: Ta)

Kaala Lord: Sun (Mahakala: Mercury)

Sunrise: 5:27:27

Sunset: 17:33:59

Janma Ghatis: 30.7543

Ayanamsa: 23-27-00.97

Sidereal Time: 17:57:02

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " UBha 1 Pi Le

Sun - DK 1 Vi 43' 10.75 " UPha 2 Vi Cp

Moon - PK 13 Ar 39' 04.35 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

Mars - PiK 16 Le 16' 58.02 " PPha 1 Le Le

Mercury ® - BK 21 Le 17' 47.53 " PPha 3 Le Li

Jupiter - GK 12 Li 09' 38.55 " Swat 2 Li Cp

Venus - MK 16 Li 26' 30.92 " Swat 3 Li Aq

Saturn ® - AK 28 Ar 59' 56.59 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

Rahu - AmK 8 Aq 02' 33.02 " Sata 1 Aq Sg

Ketu 8 Le 02' 33.02 " Magh 3 Le Ge

Maandi 22 Ge 09' 20.45 " Puna 1 Ge Ar

Gulika 12 Ge 11' 25.92 " Ardr 2 Ge Cp

Uranus 14 Vi 50' 45.42 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

Neptune 5 Sc 05' 15.93 " Anu 1 Sc Le

Pluto 3 Vi 42' 08.90 " UPha 3 Vi Aq

Bhava Lagna 5 Pi 44' 42.16 " UBha 1 Pi Le

Hora Lagna 10 Vi 16' 14.11 " Hast 1 Vi Ar

Ghati Lagna 23 Pi 50' 49.99 " Reva 3 Pi Aq

Vighati Lagna 1 Sg 43' 49.37 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Varnada Lagna 5 Le 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Le Vi

Sree Lagna 14 Pi 08' 43.09 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

Pranapada Lagna 2 Ar 13' 49.92 " Aswi 1 Ar Ar

Indu Lagna 13 Cn 39' 04.35 " Push 4 Cn Sc

Dhooma 15 Cp 03' 10.75 " Srav 2 Cp Ta

Vyatipata 14 Ge 56' 49.25 " Ardr 3 Ge Aq

Parivesha 14 Sg 56' 49.25 " PSha 1 Sg Le

Indra Chapa 15 Cn 03' 10.75 " Push 4 Cn Sc

Upaketu 1 Le 43' 10.75 " Magh 1 Le Ar

Kaala 1 Le 35' 17.10 " Magh 1 Le Ar

Mrityu 16 Pi 33' 10.05 " UBha 4 Pi Sc

Artha Prahara 14 Ar 54' 46.62 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

Yama Ghantaka 9 Ta 57' 08.80 " Krit 4 Ta Pi

Prana Sphuta 10 Aq 00' 13.53 " Sata 2 Aq Cp

Deha Sphuta 1 Li 24' 00.75 " Chit 3 Li Li

Mrityu Sphuta 27 Cp 03' 12.17 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

Sookshma TriSphuta 8 Ge 27' 26.45 " Ardr 1 Ge Sg

TriSphuta 1 Ge 24' 15.79 " Mrig 3 Ge Li

ChatusSphuta 3 Sc 07' 26.54 " Visa 4 Sc Cn

PanchaSphuta 11 Vi 09' 59.56 " Hast 1 Vi Ar

V2 5 Sc 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sc Li

V3 5 Sg 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sg Cp

V4 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Pi Aq

V5 5 Ar 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Ar Ta

V6 5 Cn 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Cn Ge

V7 5 Le 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Le Vi

V8 5 Sc 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sc Li

V9 5 Sg 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Sg Cp

V10 5 Pi 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Pi Aq

V11 5 Ar 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Ar Ta

V12 5 Cn 33' 45.52 " Aswi 1 Cn Ge

Kunda 0 Li 34' 27.27 " Chit 3 Li Li

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ SaR / \ / |

| \ Mo / \ Ra / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / GL \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|AL x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / Gk \ 12 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| Md x |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / HL \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| x Su x |

| / \ / \ |

| / Ma \ / Ju \ |

| / MeR Ke \ / Ve \ |

+--------------+

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Ven Ven 1970-03-24 Sun 1973-07-26 Moon 1974-07-27

Mars 1976-03-24 Rah 1977-05-25 Jup 1980-05-24

Sat 1983-01-24 Merc 1986-03-24 Ket 1989-01-24

Sun Sun 1990-03-24 Moon 1990-07-14 Mars 1991-01-12

Rah 1991-05-19 Jup 1992-04-11 Sat 1993-01-29

Merc 1994-01-12 Ket 1994-11-20 Ven 1995-03-25

Moon Moon 1996-03-24 Mars 1997-01-24 Rah 1997-08-27

Jup 1999-02-23 Sat 2000-06-25 Merc 2002-01-24

Ket 2003-06-26 Ven 2004-01-24 Sun 2005-09-27

Mars Mars 2006-03-25 Rah 2006-08-24 Jup 2007-09-12

Sat 2008-08-17 Merc 2009-09-27 Ket 2010-09-24

Ven 2011-02-17 Sun 2012-04-17 Moon 2012-08-27

Rah Rah 2013-03-24 Jup 2015-12-08 Sat 2018-04-30

Merc 2021-03-06 Ket 2023-09-27 Ven 2024-10-15

Sun 2027-10-16 Moon 2028-09-08 Mars 2030-03-07

Jup Jup 2031-03-25 Sat 2033-05-13 Merc 2035-11-27

Ket 2038-03-01 Ven 2039-02-05 Sun 2041-10-09

Moon 2042-07-27 Mars 2043-11-27 Rah 2044-11-02

Sat Sat 2047-03-25 Merc 2050-03-28 Ket 2052-12-08

Ven 2054-01-15 Sun 2057-03-16 Moon 2058-02-26

Mars 2058-09-30 Rah 2060-11-08 Jup 2062-09-15

Merc Merc 2066-03-25 Ket 2068-08-24 Ven 2069-08-21

Sun 2072-06-19 Moon 2073-04-24 Mars 2073-09-27

Rah 2074-09-24 Jup 2078-04-09 Sat 2080-07-17

Ket Ket 2083-03-25 Ven 2083-08-25 Sun 2083-10-25

Moon 2085-02-26 Mars 2084-09-30 Rah 2086-02-23

Jup 2087-03-13 Sat 2088-02-18 Merc 2089-03-28

sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sourav " <souravc108 wrote:

>

> || Hare Raama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Swee-ji,

>

> namaskar. Thank you for your brief

but

> to-the-point analysis and suggestions of Upaaya. I will follow

according

> to my abilities. Guru associates with BK-Mangal and represents

Dharma

> Devata being in 9th from KK. Due to CK-replacement, Shukra is new-

BK and

> during the replacement (around 26.5 years of age) I received Diksha

at

> the feet of Lord Ramakrishna. Hence correct association has been

> intiated and following your suggested upaya's will be beneficial. I

will

> contact Sri Gaurav in due course. Is the donation of Yellow

Sapphire to

> be done to a brahmin or temple or to someone who needs such a

stone ?

>

> Thank you immensely for your kindness and help. Thank you also for

> sharing the knowledge.Would you kindly suggest a dakshina or a

donation

> to temple in your name?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sourav

>

======================================================================

==\

> ============================

>

> sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote:

> >

> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> >

> > Dear Sourav,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I work on a 24hr clock. Sorry for that. One must follow the rules

when

> > delineating. Your Guru is badhakesh and is retrograde on the

> ascendant. The

> > simple remedy (which have also worked for many) is to donate

> Brihaspati

> > murti in wood or in gold or carved out in Yellow Sapphire but

these

> > suggestions are always according to your means. Together with

this,

> offer

> > ghee, sesame, sweets, honey and sandalpaste. Padma Purana goes on

to

> suggest

> > that one should donate a Yellow Sapphire, so consider this as your

> upaya.

> > When Guru is satisfied, he in turn will give his blessings and

> hopefully

> > “absorb” negative karma accrued by you. Then only may you

> consider wearing

> > the Yellow Sapphire.

> > Because your lagna lord aspects the movable signs together with

Mars,

> both

> > Mars and Saturn are involved in a negative aspect on your 5th

with a

> > negative Moon. The dispositor of course, is Venus and 9th from

your

> AL.

> > The alternative to a diamond is the white sapphire (refer to my

> article).

> > The white sapphire belongs to the corundum family and it is much

> cheaper and

> > purer; easier to get a flawless one– less inclusions than a

> diamond (forget

> > the flawless D col, it is far beyond ordinary reach.) Should you

> choose a 5

> > carater to wear round your neck, it should not cost you more than

> $80/carat

> > at commercial prices.

> > Next, you wrote on a Tuesday during Trayodashi ruled by Guru – in

> my opinion

> > consider the upaya to Guru and wear a red coral as the next

dwisaptati

> dasa

> > in 2008 is also Mars.

> > Gaurav Jain’s email – yobrevol@ and I have seen and bought

> jyotish

> > quality gems from him. A friend of mine was cheated buying from

> Thailand off

> > the internet – I am unhappy about this, because in the trade, when

> one says

> > it is that col or quality and natural, rest assure that this is

what

> you’ll

> > get. PGA is not an authority like the association in USA. If you

lie,

> you

> > are liable to a fine and maybe be struck off. Gaurav is a member

of

> that

> > assoc. So you can rest easy.

> >

> > Love,

> >

> > Swee

> > sweechan@

> >

> > On 9/20/06 4:40 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >

> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > >

> > > Namaskar. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

> > >

> > > 1. I didn't come across this technique of 80x magnification.

This is

> > > interesting.

> > >

> > > 2. So per your suggestion, I should look for Yellow Sapphire of

a

> *pale*

> > > yellow color rather than strong golden color (likely treated).

> Please provide

> > > be address of Sri Gaurav Jain in USA. Also, does P-G-A seller

also

> have good

> > > qualities ?

> > >

> > > 3. I think in my chart, you used a.m. instead of p.m. It should

be

> January 3,

> > > 1978, 5:35:38 p.m. Calcutta, India. Lagna is Mithuna. Janma

Rasi is

> Tula.

> > >

> > > In Navamsa chart, Budha/AK is in debility in 10-th and Guru is

in

> Lagna in

> > > Rasi Chart. Sanjay-ji thinks that Guru caused neechabhanga thus.

> Guru is also

> > > in Simhasana yoga and dispositor of Surya. Ketu is very strong

in my

> chart in

> > > Devalokaamsa, and in moolatrikona in the 10th house and takes

> primary control

> > > of the chart (being Pakesha too). But Ketu is 6th lord. Hence,

to

> transfer the

> > > power to Guru, he suggested Mantras and said the only gemstone

> suitable, is

> > > for Guru.

> > >

> > > Thank you in anticipation.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > Sourav

> > >

==================================================================

> > >

> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >> >

> > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >> >

> > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > >> > Namaste

> > >> >

> > >> > I think someone is supposed to re-write the gemological

section

> in the VRA

> > >> > as there 3 gemstones recommended in there that I simply do

not

> agree with

> > >> > (my RECOLLECTIONS only, so please correct me).

> > >> >

> > >> > 1. Peridot – To be used in lieu of debilitated Mercury. Now,

> the gemstone

> > >> > has the hardness of glass. Garuda Purana categorically states

> that this is

> > >> > to be avoided.

> > >> > 2. Imperial Topaz is always – I mean almost never NOT heat

> treated. Which

> > >> > comes to the point: How do we know if the gemstone is heat

> treated? The

> > >> > answer is, we cannot especially when in the Trade, 10x

> magnification is the

> > >> > acceptable method. If we magnify the gemstone to at least

about

> 80x, you

> > >> > should be able to make the ripples caused by the heating.

From

> experience,

> > >> > you will see that a natural gemstone does not have that extra

> lustre that a

> > >> > heat treated gemstone has. As for a heat treated yellow

sapphire,

> it

> > >> > normally turns to a golden colour. The best is to purchase

the

> rough or

> > >> > purchase from a supplier who buys the rough gemstone and

facets

> the

> > >> > gemstones themselves – not a slight on the people, but Sri

> Lankan and

> > >> Indian

> > >> > facets on colour gemstones are still not internationally

> accepted. If you

> > >> > currently live in USA, then Gaurva Jain can perhaps help you.

> Though his

> > >> > prices are at commercial values, you are sure to get what you

> request for.

> > >> > 3. The famous Yellow Topaz that is being recommended – ALL,

> topaz comes in

> > >> > either blue of white – mostly white. Your yellow topaz is

> irradiated. So it

> > >> > is useless, besides considering it as a placebo, the

radiation

> from the

> > >> > gemstone does harm to your body.

> > >> > 4. As for the 6 ratti x 0.8 = 4.8 carats or the 7 ratti x

0.8 =

> 5.6 carats

> > >> > is some configuration which I will leave for Sanjay ji to

answer.

> But the

> > >> > idea behind this is that, Jupiter is the largest planet,

hence a

> tendency

> > >> > for a weight challenged person to put on a

> “bigger-is-better” gemstone will

> > >> > increase his weight much faster. But answer to your

question: Is

> bigger

> > >> > better? I would say yes. Is +/- 2.46 carats sufficent? I have

> seen very

> > >> good

> > >> > results. Choose a good muhurta to purchase, offer puja and

> flowers

> > >> > pertaining to that planet, Guru’s blessings if possible,

offer

> dakshina and

> > >> > then choose a good muhurta to install your gemstone – either

> round the neck

> > >> > (which is my preference) or the fingers.

> > >> > 5. As for your chart, Mars is Gopura in vaisheshikamsa and is

> your 5th lord

> > >> > and is also the sign that Sun exalts in – job, bhukti, luck

> etc. So why not

> > >> > also consider wearing this round your neck or your arm? If

it is

> wealth and

> > >> > recognition, then a diamond can do the job better – 11th lord

> on the

> > >> > ascendant.....I think the 3 word, 6 letter (3-6-9) mantra was

> meant for you

> > >> > as the final energy shift is to the 7th house/badhaksthana

and

> paka lagna.

> > >> >

> > >> > Love,

> > >> >

> > >> > Swee

> > >> > sweechan@

> > >> >

> > >> > On 9/19/06 3:34 PM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Namaskar. Thank you for an elaborate e-mail

> > >>> > > sharing learned details. My knowledge of gemstones is very

> limited and

> > >>> only

> > >>> > > gleaned from VRA and discussions in the groups (I also

have

> your JD

> > >>> article).

> > >>> > > So kindly educate me on my mistakes of now and future. I

> wanted to know

> > >>> why in

> > >>> > > VRA table 6 rattis of Yellow Sapphire is not recommended

by 7

> Rattis is

> > >>> > > recommended. Is there a major distinction ? or is it just

that

> " larger

> > is

> > >>> > > better " concept. For some other ratnas, this restiction on

> weights are

> > >>> > > mentioned (some lower weights are recommended and higher

> weights are not

> > >>> > > recommended). Sanjay-ji has instructed me to wear a yellow

> topaz for my

> > >>> case

> > >>> > > (January 3, 1978, 5:35:38 p.m., Calcutta, Lahiri

Ayanaamsa). I

> am

> > >>> wondering

> > >>> > > what is the best affordable size. Of course a flawless 7

ratti

> stone

> > >>> would be

> > >>> > > costly. Please educate. Also, is there a way of verifying

a

> heated vs.

> > >>> > > unheated gemstone? And, should a person wear a gemstone

used

> by another

> > >>> person

> > >>> > > earlier ?

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Thank you.

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > >>> > >

> > >>> > > Sourav

> > >>> > >

> > >>>

> >

>

======================================================================

==\

> ======

> > >>> > > ===================

> > >>> > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Swee Chan sweechan@ wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Om Bhagavate Vasudevaya

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Dear Sourav,

> > >>>>> > >> > Namaste

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Firstly we need to understand that a King in days of

yore

> also did

> > >>>>> penances

> > >>>>> > >> > to get to where they are in their present life. Hence

> their punya

> > >>>>> is good

> > >>>> > >> to

> > >>>>> > >> > take birth with fortune/dharma/religiosity all

> indications of the

> > 9th

> > >>>> > >> house.

> > >>>>> > >> > Now when one you only recommend a Yellow Sapphire

for the

> 9th

> > >>>>> house, it

> > >>>> > >> does

> > >>>>> > >> > not tally with the statements in the puranas; that

> amongst all

> > other

> > >>>> > >> jewels,

> > >>>>> > >> > wearing a diamond is best as it is spotless and

> unbreakable. If

> > >>>> > >> recollection

> > >>>>> > >> > is corrct, BPHS also says that Saturn is capable of

> giving a RY for

> > a

> > >>>>> > >> > Mithuna lagna (please check).

> > >>>>> > >> > Consider that the diamond is created out of carbon

and is

> the most

> > >>>>> abundant

> > >>>>> > >> > “gem” found in the world. Originally, all gemstones

> do not have

> > colour

> > >>>>> > >> > (colourless/white) but a foreign matter/minerals in

them

> cause the

> > >>>>> colour.

> > >>>>> > >> > As in both puranas I have come across, both indicate

that

> a diamond

> > >>>>> with >>

> > >> > the

> > >>>>> > >> > six corners etc etc, pure, small (from Vishnu

> Dharmottara)– note

> > >>>>> the word,

> > >>>>> > >> > small – in the Garuda Purana, it states 20 tandula

> (rice grain) = 8

> > x 20 =

> > >>>>> > >> > 160 masaka (mustard seeds). Since the all-season

rice is

> medium

> > >>>>> grain, take

> > >>>>> > >> > this to weigh more or less 2.46 carats (1 rati =

800mg; 1

> gram=5

> > >>>>> carats) >>

> > >> > and

> > >>>>> > >> > this weight is only given for the diamond. A rough

> unpolished 2.46

> > carat

> > >>>>> > >> > diamond with it trigons is almost a mote (well

nearly)

> :-)); “a

> > >>>>> king who

> > >>>>> > >> > wears such a diamond wins all his enemies”. It takes

> one year for

> > >>>>> one carat

> > >>>>> > >> > of gem to crystalise. For a cloudy gem, the cooling

time

> is much

> > >>>>> faster,

> > >>>>> > >> > then the degradation of the crystalisation is

evident.

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Answer to your questions:

> > >>>>> > >> > 1. The reasoning is this, for those that are primary

> gemstones,

> > >>>>> less weight

> > >>>>> > >> > is required. But this is a fallacy. The Vishnu

> Dharmottara gave the

> > entire

> > >>>>> > >> > range of gemstones and said all these should be worn

by

> the King –

> > that

> > >>>> > >> goes

> > >>>>> > >> > for my favourite thithibha, rudhira etc. (This was

also

> stated in

> > my

> > >>>>> > >> > article). It is also stated that the Pearl should be

big

> and for

> > >>>>> those to

> > >>>>> > >> > want to save some money, the sankha pearl though sky

high

> prices,

> > >>>>> is less

> > >>>>> > >> > effective than the oyster pearl. I say this, because

some

> person

> > >>>>> told me

> > >>>>> > >> > that he waited so many years and saved up just to get

> this pearl.

> > >>>>> BUT what

> > >>>>> > >> > is big may seem small to another – so its all

> relative.

> > >>>>> > >> > 2. Big size (carat), lustrous (clarity), colours

equated

> to the

> > >>>>> Tamal tree,

> > >>>>> > >> > the bee, ballaataka, a light blue gem (aquamarine;

same

> beryi

> > >>>>> family as

> > >>>>> > >> > emerald) and commercialism considers the cut as an

> important

> > >>>>> factor, though

> > >>>>> > >> > in the puranas, it considers the crystallised rough

gem

> of

> > >>>>> importance.

> > >>>> > >> Those

> > >>>>> > >> > carried about by wolves, broken, jagged etc (sounds

like

> gravel

> > >>>>> finds) are

> > >>>>> > >> > to be discarded. The rest like internal flaws, dirt,

> alien to the

> > >>>>> > >> > mineralisation should be avoided for the King who

wishes

> victory

> > (6th

> > >>>>> > >> > house?), wealth (several houses) and long life (Moon

etc)

> > >>>>> > >> > 3. I answered this in the intro. An unfaceted

diamond is

> a fraction

> > of a

> > >>>>> > >> > faceted diamond. So do consider this :-)) The

addendum to

> the Sun

> > giving

> > >>>>> > >> > egoistic tendencies is not quite the case. In

spiritual

> equation,

> > >>>>> he is not

> > >>>>> > >> > considered a malefic. If we agree on this, it also

goes

> with the

> > >>>>> statement

> > >>>>> > >> > form the G. Purana that one who wishes to wear the

ruby

> or the blue

> > >>>> > >> sapphire

> > >>>>> > >> > at that, has to be pure. Beginning from the crystal

to

> the red gem

> > >>>>> (we can

> > >>>>> > >> > also consider a red beryly here), the red gem is more

> meritorious

> > >>>>> than the

> > >>>>> > >> > former. The King should always wear the best jewels

> because, burnt

> > by the

> > >>>>> > >> > rays of the gems, the evil goes away from the body

of a

> man. V.

> > Dharm.

> > >>>>> > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.26. The crown, hand ornaments,

necklace

> and

> > >>>>> bracelets of

> > >>>>> > >> > Kings should be prepared from meritorious gems –

> Vishnu Dhar.

> > >>>>> > >> > Khanda II Ch 16.24

> > >>>>> > >> > 4. Follow the shapes according to the planets, the

oval

> shape is

> > >>>>> ruled by

> > >>>>> > >> > Jupiter which goes with the nature of the

crystalisation.

> An

> > >>>>> emerald is

> > >>>>> > >> > usually an “emerald” cut/cut corner rectangular or

> a square, so

> > >>>>> like that,

> > >>>>> > >> > we follow this as close as possible to the shape of

the

> crystal as

> > >>>> > >> suggested

> > >>>>> > >> > in the puranas. What we must avoid for a small sized

gem

> is that it

> > is an

> > >>>>> > >> > off cut, which is to be avoided especially for an

> emerald.

> > >>>>> > >> > 5. The general idea is this: a stand alone Mercury, a

> waxing Moon,

> > >>>>> Jupiter

> > >>>>> > >> > and Venus can all do the work as well as Yellow

Sapphire,

> as we now

> > know

> > >>>>> > >> > otherwise, that Venus/Diamond is best. The

Artharvaveda

> considers

> > >>>>> another

> > >>>>> > >> > gem to be the salvation of the 52 types of magic.

There

> are many

> > >>>>> ifs and

> > >>>>> > >> > buts about wearing a diamond and the colours are

> important. A Green

> > >>>>> Diamond

> > >>>>> > >> > belongs to that of Vishnu (Garuda Purana). A brown

> diamond should

> > >>>>> be worn

> > >>>> > >> by

> > >>>>> > >> > the Kshatria, a white one by a Brahmin. A woman who

> wishes for a

> > >>>>> son should

> > >>>>> > >> > avoid wearing a diamond unless it is a baguette

> (rectangle).

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Love,

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > Swee

> > >>>>> > >> > sweechan@

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>> > >> > On 9/19/06 7:17 AM, " Sourav " souravc108@ wrote:

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > || Hare Raama Krsna ||

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Dear Swee-ji,

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Namaskar. I have several questions regarding

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > gemstones. If you have time can you please

answer?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 1. In VRA, ratti values of each gemstone is

given.

> Some of the

> > values

> > >> > are

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > relatively high. Is there a specific calculation

> done to

> > >>>>>>> determine how

> > >>>>> > >>> much

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ratti is needed ? What is the rationality behind

> these

> > >>>>>>> proposed weights

> > >> > ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 2. Does ratti weights depend on a specific

purpose

> to be

> > served ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 3. Does ratti weight depend on quality of the

> gemstone ? For

> > example,

> > >>>>> > >>> high

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > quality, less weight ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 4. Does ratti weight selection depend on the

cut of

> the

> > >>>>>>> gemstone ? Also,

> > >> > are

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > there some specific cuts useful for specific

> gemstones ? I

> > >>>>>>> understand

> > >>>>> > >>> that

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > from the stability of the cystal perspective or

from

> beauty

> > >>>>>>> perspective,

> > >>>>> > >>> some

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > specific cuts are chosen. I want to know if

these

> cuts have an

> > >>>>> > >>> astrological

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > reason.

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > 5. Can you give me an idea for the rattis

weights

> and cuts 5

> > gemstones

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > commonly used that can be recommended to

people ?

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Best wishes,

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Sourav

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>

> =================================================================

> > >>>>>>> > >>> > >

> > >>>>> > >> >

> > >>> > >

> > >> >

> > >

> >

>

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|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaste Arpad Ji,

As I read your mail, I feel in august company and pleased to have you learned on the group. This gives me ample opportune to learn from. Guruvi Swee ji, like yourself i imagine, is well versed in reading first hand source accounts of Puranas (in sanskrit), and the her deep ocean of knowledge of them is truly a blessing for all of us.

Most of India wears CZ as a gem for Venus, essentially as replcement of a diamond. What are your views on that?

Namaste

Gaurav Jain

In a message dated 9/24/2006 5:54:52 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, panchasila writes:

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Swee,

thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As we all may well know the Puranas,Upanishads and other scriptures-certainly the Tantric literature- are replete with deep symbolism which is applicable on many levels. Often they are written in a code- of which the well-known "katapayadhi" is one of many. The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Gita and all devotional scriptures (such as the Bhakti Yoga Sutras of Narada) will yield their rich treasure trove upon the the EXPLICIT and CLEAR explanation from the Guru. I am glad that you are reading the Puranas. But the Puranas,the Upanishads,the Gita and the rest of the "scriptures" will open up their secrets in :SANSKRIT! All transalations are commentary (only).

Fortunately, I have had the companionship of such men (and women)in India who have insisted in reading/studying the Literature in the Original language. This will clarify everything a great deal. In fact I was asked to get rid of all my dictionaries and whatever was studied had to be memorised (verbatim).This included certain chapters of the Gita, the whole of Saundarya Lahari, Yoga Sutras etc. (in Sanskrit)

I think the depth of knowledge in the Jaimini Sutras -as explained by Sanjay Rath (which is unparalelled in it's excellence)-shows the same thing: knowledge (at least some knowledge) of Sanskrit when approaching the Sacred Scriptures, Mantra Shastra etc IS ESSENTIAL.

With best regards:

Arpad Joo

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September 24, 2006

Hare Rama Krishna Dear Swee, thanks for your thoughts on this matter. As we all may well know the Puranas,Upanishads and other scriptures-certainly the Tantric literature- are replete with deep symbolism which is applicable on many levels. Often they are written in a code- of which the well-known "katapayadhi" is one of many. The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, the Gita and all devotional scriptures (such as the Bhakti Yoga Sutras of Narada) will yield their rich treasure trove upon the the EXPLICIT and CLEAR explanation from the Guru. I am glad that you are reading the Puranas. But the Puranas,the Upanishads,the Gita and the rest of the "scriptures" will open up their secrets in :SANSKRIT! All transalations are commentary (only). Fortunately, I have had the companionship of such men

(and women)in India who have insisted in reading/studying the Literature in the Original language. This will clarify everything a great deal. In fact I was asked to get rid of all my dictionaries and whatever was studied had to be memorised (verbatim).This included certain chapters of the Gita, the whole of Saundarya Lahari, Yoga Sutras etc. (in Sanskrit) I think the depth of knowledge in the Jaimini Sutras -as explained by Sanjay Rath (which is unparalelled in it's excellence)-shows the same thing: knowledge (at least some knowledge) of Sanskrit when approaching the Sacred Scriptures, Mantra Shastra etc IS ESSENTIAL. With best regards: Arpad Joo

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Hare Rama Krishna Namaskar when you are refering to "Kalachakra Tantra", what do you exactly mean? Best wishes: Arpad Joo

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September 24, 2006

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Arpad,

Namaste

“It is my firm opinion that the heating process will seriously distort the planetary energy and the life force in the gemstone. This may even cause the opposite effect which was originally intended and may harm the wearer.”

If it is your firm belief, then the gemstone WILL harm the bearer, the person who conducts this heat treatment and the person who persuaded him to do so in the first place- as stated in the Garuda Purana Purvakhanda 72.12-13.

No books on gemstones in jyotish have been purchased by me, simply because there is already a wealth of information about them in the Puranas.

Devas in their triumphant state appear with all their regalia decked with gemstones/jewels but never in their mishappened state.

I am glad to meet with your acquaintance and hope to learn more from you in the future.

Love,

Swee

sweechan

On 9/23/06 12:27 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila wrote:

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Swee,

thank you for your observations. The main purpose of my adding to the very interesting thread of comments on gemstones is to warn people about the harmful effects of heated gemstones. In the course of many years as practicing astrologer I have recommended of course the use of gemstones among many, many other remedial measures.

It is my firm opinion that the heating process will seriously distort the planetary energy and the life force in the gemstone. This may even cause the opposite effect which was originally intended and may harm the wearer.

Please forgive me for not being aware that you are a supplier/miner of gemstones. I do as well go directly to miner when I need certain gemstones.

With best wishes:

Arpad Joo

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