Guest guest Posted September 22, 2006 Report Share Posted September 22, 2006 namassarvebhyah Dear Hari, Hope you don't mind my interjection. Varuna is invoked in 4 outer kalasha with the 4 standard varuna mantras, and shiva is then invoked in the center with the pratima having the form you described. One text specifies parayana of rudram / chamakam, while another specifies rudrabhishekam as you have written. After this, homa is performed in a kunda which is particularly large. Again, the main homa is done to shiva with the mrityunjaya mantra offering each of the many kinds of woods etc specified in turn. Then navagraha homa is also performed " with the vyahritis " . I don't understand what this means. This is followed by the regular prokshana / bathing the child and parents in the kalasha waters, dakshina-danam & brahmana-bhojanam. ajit On 9/21/06, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > Yesterday evening, for a possible Krishna Chaturdasi birth the same day (which now changes to an Amavasya birth making it the third Amavasya case that I have looked at in less than two months time!), I was looking at the verses from BPHS dealing with this topic. > > My question is why did Maharishi Parasara go so much into the details of making the Shiva idol? He has specified that the idol should have a crescent moon on the forehead, a white garland around the neck, seated on a bull and with hands in varada & abhaya mudras. Is there any hidden meaning here? > > When comparing the translation of these verses, I felt there was some difference in the procedures. As per my understanding, the procedure starts like this:- > > Mrityunjaya mantra --> Varuna pooja --> installation of kalasha in south-east corner with mantras ---> some A nobhedra...suktam, Agni suktam ---> Purusha suktam followed by Rudrabhishekam ---> Graha puja involving homam with appropriate woods / sesame seeds ---> sprinking of abhisheka water on baby & parents ---> feeding of brahmin. > > Is this understanding correct? If not, please shed some light on the exact components of the krishna chaturdasi remedy. > > best regards > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 |om|Dear Ajit, namasteYour interjection(s) shed a lot of light on the various procedures in the Krishna Chaturdasi remedy. You have touched upon an important point; that it is necessary to consult various literature such as the karmakandam type of books used by the Purohits or even learned Purohits to arrive at the definitive procedure. Then only the knowledge can be understood and adapted to the changing times. Probably vyahritis refer to the saptarishis?My original question on the form of Shiva described in BPHS remains. best regardsHariOn 9/22/06, Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan wrote: namassarvebhyah Dear Hari, Hope you don't mind my interjection. Varuna is invoked in 4 outer kalasha with the 4 standard varuna mantras, and shiva is then invoked in the center with the pratima having the form you described. One text specifies parayana of rudram / chamakam, while another specifies rudrabhishekam as you have written. After this, homa is performed in a kunda which is particularly large. Again, the main homa is done to shiva with the mrityunjaya mantra offering each of the many kinds of woods etc specified in turn. Then navagraha homa is also performed " with the vyahritis " . I don't understand what this means. This is followed by the regular prokshana / bathing the child and parents in the kalasha waters, dakshina-danam & brahmana-bhojanam. ajit On 9/21/06, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > Yesterday evening, for a possible Krishna Chaturdasi birth the same day (which now changes to an Amavasya birth making it the third Amavasya case that I have looked at in less than two months time!), I was looking at the verses from BPHS dealing with this topic. > > My question is why did Maharishi Parasara go so much into the details of making the Shiva idol? He has specified that the idol should have a crescent moon on the forehead, a white garland around the neck, seated on a bull and with hands in varada & abhaya mudras. Is there any hidden meaning here? > > When comparing the translation of these verses, I felt there was some difference in the procedures. As per my understanding, the procedure starts like this:- > > Mrityunjaya mantra --> Varuna pooja --> installation of kalasha in south-east corner with mantras ---> some A nobhedra...suktam, Agni suktam ---> Purusha suktam followed by Rudrabhishekam ---> Graha puja involving homam with appropriate woods / sesame seeds ---> sprinking of abhisheka water on baby & parents ---> feeding of brahmin. > > Is this understanding correct? If not, please shed some light on the exact components of the krishna chaturdasi remedy. > > best regards > Hari __._,_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Jai Sri Ram, I've also seen vyahritis as referred to bhur,bhuvah,svah.... These can be looked at as signifying seven states of consciousness, seven lokas, perhaps saptarishis but as they are standard in homas it doesn't seem you need any special consultation before using them in the homa. Steve Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: |om|Dear Ajit, namasteYour interjection(s) shed a lot of light on the various procedures in the Krishna Chaturdasi remedy. You have touched upon an important point; that it is necessary to consult various literature such as the karmakandam type of books used by the Purohits or even learned Purohits to arrive at the definitive procedure. Then only the knowledge can be understood and adapted to the changing times. Probably vyahritis refer to the saptarishis?My original question on the form of Shiva described in BPHS remains. best regardsHari On 9/22/06, Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan > wrote: namassarvebhyahDear Hari,Hope you don't mind my interjection. Varuna is invoked in 4 outerkalasha with the 4 standard varuna mantras, and shiva is then invokedin the center with the pratima having the form you described. One textspecifies parayana of rudram / chamakam, while another specifiesrudrabhishekam as you have written. After this, homa is performed in akunda which is particularly large. Again, the main homa is done toshiva with the mrityunjaya mantra offering each of the many kinds ofwoods etc specified in turn. Then navagraha homa is also performed"with the vyahritis". I don't understand what this means. This isfollowed by the regular prokshana / bathing the child and parents inthe kalasha waters, dakshina-danam & brahmana-bhojanam.ajit On 9/21/06, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi > wrote:>> |om|> Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams>> Yesterday evening, for a possible Krishna Chaturdasi birth the same day (which now changes to an Amavasya birth making it the third Amavasya case that I have looked at in less than two months time!), I was looking at the verses from BPHS dealing with this topic. >> My question is why did Maharishi Parasara go so much into the details of making the Shiva idol? He has specified that the idol should have a crescent moon on the forehead, a white garland around the neck, seated on a bull and with hands in varada & abhaya mudras. Is there any hidden meaning here? >> When comparing the translation of these verses, I felt there was some difference in the procedures. As per my understanding, the procedure starts like this:->> Mrityunjaya mantra --> Varuna pooja --> installation of kalasha in south-east corner with mantras ---> some A nobhedra...suktam, Agni suktam ---> Purusha suktam followed by Rudrabhishekam ---> Graha puja involving homam with appropriate woods / sesame seeds ---> sprinking of abhisheka water on baby & parents ---> feeding of brahmin. >> Is this understanding correct? If not, please shed some light on the exact components of the krishna chaturdasi remedy.>> best regards> Hari __._,_ Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 Dear Hari, The jyotisha and archaka both need some knowledge of both fields, and need to work closely together. In fact, in the old days, I'm told that the jyotisha and archaka would directly talk to one another and discuss what needed to be done for a particular remedy (this messsage was not passed along solely by the yajamana). Often, the jyotisha himself was asked to be present at the shanti karma, where he would periodically cast prashnas to see if the issue at hand was resolved. The karma would continue until this time. > Then only the knowledge can be understood and adapted to the changing times. I'm not sure what this means. > My original question on the form of Shiva described in BPHS remains. Yes, and I hope we get some nice replies. However, I'd keep it in perspective. For almost all shanti karmas, the image is stamped on a very small amount of gold (or silver etc) to create the pratima. It is often hard to make out which deva is stamped on the pratma....leave aside the details of the form. Of course, the form is important for the dhyana. ajit On 9/24/06, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > > |om| > Dear Ajit, namaste > > Your interjection(s) shed a lot of light on the various procedures in the Krishna Chaturdasi remedy. You have touched upon an important point; that it is necessary to consult various literature such as the karmakandam type of books used by the Purohits or even learned Purohits to arrive at the definitive procedure. Then only the knowledge can be understood and adapted to the changing times. > > Probably vyahritis refer to the saptarishis? > > My original question on the form of Shiva described in BPHS remains. > > best regards > Hari > > On 9/22/06, Ajit Krishnan <ajit.krishnan wrote: > > > > namassarvebhyah > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > Hope you don't mind my interjection. Varuna is invoked in 4 outer > > kalasha with the 4 standard varuna mantras, and shiva is then invoked > > in the center with the pratima having the form you described. One text > > specifies parayana of rudram / chamakam, while another specifies > > rudrabhishekam as you have written. After this, homa is performed in a > > kunda which is particularly large. Again, the main homa is done to > > shiva with the mrityunjaya mantra offering each of the many kinds of > > woods etc specified in turn. Then navagraha homa is also performed > > " with the vyahritis " . I don't understand what this means. This is > > followed by the regular prokshana / bathing the child and parents in > > the kalasha waters, dakshina-danam & brahmana-bhojanam. > > > > ajit > > > > > > On 9/21/06, Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi wrote: > > > > > > |om| > > > Dear Narasimha, namaste & pranaams > > > > > > Yesterday evening, for a possible Krishna Chaturdasi birth the same day (which now changes to an Amavasya birth making it the third Amavasya case that I have looked at in less than two months time!), I was looking at the verses from BPHS dealing with this topic. > > > > > > My question is why did Maharishi Parasara go so much into the details of making the Shiva idol? He has specified that the idol should have a crescent moon on the forehead, a white garland around the neck, seated on a bull and with hands in varada & abhaya mudras. Is there any hidden meaning here? > > > > > > When comparing the translation of these verses, I felt there was some difference in the procedures. As per my understanding, the procedure starts like this:- > > > > > > Mrityunjaya mantra --> Varuna pooja --> installation of kalasha in south-east corner with mantras ---> some A nobhedra...suktam, Agni suktam ---> Purusha suktam followed by Rudrabhishekam ---> Graha puja involving homam with appropriate woods / sesame seeds ---> sprinking of abhisheka water on baby & parents ---> feeding of brahmin. > > > > > > Is this understanding correct? If not, please shed some light on the exact components of the krishna chaturdasi remedy. > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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