Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath :Selfishness

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I believe the term selfishness is misinterpreted and misunderstood.

Selfishness is an emotion when a person desires something for oneself

and at the same time, does not want anyone else to have what he

desires.

Wishing and desiring good for oneself is not wrong and is not

selfishness.

 

sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology "

<hinduastrology wrote:

>

> Namaskaar Sri

>

> Though you have desired that this email be shared between Sri

Sanjay Rathji

> and Sri Sourav, somehow it has been posted in the group. I am

taking the

> liberty to respond to some of your queries.

>

> By doing mantra japa, noone bends the law of karma. Infact, mantra

japa

> itself is a karma. So one humbly submits one's ego to the Lord and

prays.

> That prayer act as a Karma and is bound to have a result. Since the

Lord is

> the Karmaphaladata, one cannot say what result one will get.

However,

> through experience and pointers in Shastras one can understand that

by doing

> Japa one can look forward to some results.

>

> Besides, if one does Mantra Japa for the needs of Artha and Kama,

the Dharma

> is preserved - unless one does any of the mantras for Tamasic

purposes

> (Vashikaran, Killing, etc). Among the four purusharthas - the

pursuits of

> Artha and Kama, if done preserving the Dharma, are sanctioned.

>

> There is a growing tendency to call anything as selfish. The

Upanishad says

> " Atmanastu Kamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati " - This statement proves

that one

> does all for oneself. The question is what does a person define

as " self " .

> Is it the smaller self or is it the whole Self or is it any of the

levels of

> identification with the others? Even the pursuit of Moksha be called

> selfish, because it is done for oneself.

>

> The idea that one gives can give rise to major Ego problems. I know

of a

> gentleman who has donated large sums of money to have his name

engraved on

> the front door of a temple. The danam should be done anonymously

and that

> too for joy. Now getting joy can also be called Selfish! Now, where

does one

> hide this selfishness? It is best to let the Self " expand " to

encompass the

> whole. In other words, realize one's True Self.

>

> Furthermore, when nothing exists but Brahman, then what is evil?

Why call a

> land Evil? Buddhists may be following their own tradition, let us

not

> comment upon them. What good will one achieve by calling names to

others?

>

> You have also expressed desire to do something good for the world

and would

> like to share this - The greatest thing you can do to the world, is

to find

> your own Self and come out of a silly cycle of good-evil, etc. One

less ego

> is the best for the world. Believe me, I am not joking.

>

> One cannot change the other. The very notion that one controls the

other, is

> a false one. Each person can change oneself. Only when another

submits with

> reverence, that you can change the other. Before anyone submits to

you, you

> will have to full of compassion and knowledge.

>

> Either way you look, it is best to seek the True Self.

>

> These comments are not to start a debate, so kindly refrain from it.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

On 11/4/06, silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:

> >

> > This is rather a confidendial matter and I request this email

be shared

> > only with Sanjayji and you.

> >

> > I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of thought, that means

holds Sri

> > Krsna as Supreme God.

> >

> > However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) do not proclaim

this view.

> > Abhay Charan De and his followers always call the other Deities

as demi-gods

> > but this is only ISKCON point of view following ISKCON

translation of Gita.

> > Gita is purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the Vedas

which is the

> > source of all knowledge.

> >

> > I myself understand some Upaya are very scienfitic and logical.

All

> > entities are under Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ).

So, if some

> > people have Shani dosha, it is understandable that they must feed

crows or

> > serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since all entities are

united in

> > energy level ( Unified Field Theory ).

> >

> > But what I really have question is, that by chanting Navagraha

mantra or

> > going up the mountain in bear foot, which actually do not remedy

any beings'

> > suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified.

> >

> > This common theorem propagated by Hindu astrologers have not

answer the

> > Law of Cause and Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money.

Then in

> > next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death.

> >

> > How, by supplicating deities which do not have any authority to

bend the

> > Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our

sufffering.

> >

> > In other words, if we repent and do great works to help and heal

all

> > beings around us, our life become worthy and necessary for the

existence.

> >

> > But many selfish men such as some fool who ask for a mantra for

beauty

> > which is abslultely childish ( in this forum ), believes by

mumbling quasi

> > Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate language and must be

enunciated

> > properly ) advocates Navagraha mantras and other concocted works

of post

> > Mahabharata Hinduims.

> >

> > I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra from morning to

sunset

> > without food, drink and toilet, compleated the numbers required,

Nothing

> > happened.

> >

> > My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth and qualification

and the

> > works of charity ) also know many mantras and tested, but popular

Navagraha

> > tantrik mantras did not work ).

> >

> > I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by HIndus and Buddhists,

Roman

> > catholics have fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the key

to lessen

> > the karmic retribution, not some paid pujari who have no interest

nor

> > compassion for unknown men who send money from somewhere.

> >

> > I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of all is to help

children,

> > women, animals and handicapped.

> >

> > But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras or going on to

some

> > mountain in India...not in the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient

works of sages.

> >

> > I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy.

> >

> > Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar of Mahakala;

they can

> > discern life and death matter. But how few are those...I think we

can count

> > those in our hands.

> >

> >

> > Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is

this:

> >

> > Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the dispensation of

karma. What

> > authority some gods or goddesses have to override Navagraha?

> >

> > Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a logical argument.

Saiva,

> > Vaishnava, Shakta all have their supreme boooks which were

written by their

> > co-religioninsts who proclaims that their god is Supreme.

> >

> > The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas.

> >

> > Another matter is, only when one repent so deeply and actively

involve

> > wealfare of others, there is real need for Universe to preserve

his life

> > even his karma be so evil.

> >

> > What power of curse normal human beings have, be they mothers,

fathers,

> > etc, who have no vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other

false dogma

> > which teaches we can do something for the dead is contrary to the

Vedas (

> > samhita only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the

Vedas ).

> >

> > If someone can donate money to copulating and glutton pujari of

mandir can

> > the dead be escaope from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching

which is most

> > prevalent in buddhist nations.

> >

> > Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to human spirit but

the

> > budhism. Mohammedanism is much better than nihilistic philosophy.

> >

> > Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee

of Krsna )

> >

> > So, what I am finding is, many physically living gurus of well

known have

> > some questionable practice..

> >

> > I was greatly attached to a female guru from South India who does

> > Jagadyatra... But her organisation starts more and more online

puja,,,done

> > by some pujari far away for money...

> >

> > Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is not even svami

started

> > conduct navagraha puja and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the

Evil Empire,

> > I was devastated... Why this guru who is no doubt Kaliavatar

allow her

> > organisation do such buddhistic practicves...

> >

> > Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and women, abused

> > chuildren...documented facts. So is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so

is

> > Rajneesh, so is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all shame of India

who

> > desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways...

> >

> > In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, Bhagavan Shiridi

Baba,

> > Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba......and countless unknown but genuine

saints of

> > Aryavarta....

> >

> > The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this:

> >

> > how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically )

in

> > India...

> >

> > Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, still in India

genuine

> > saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live...

> >

> > So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years before coming Sade

Sathi, I

> > must find a Sadguru who is not inudated by foreign devotees (

which makes

> > sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ).

> >

> > I must find in colder climate, such as Chandigah, Simla, etc, a

sadguru

> > who can really guide me one on one in many Puja-viddhi....

> >

> > But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may be Lord Saturn is

luring

> > me into India so that He can totally annihilate me by ganged up

by dacoits

> > attack ( as per my chart ).

> >

> > Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred Mission to sell my

parental

> > property and transfer money to safely India, instead of buddhist

relatives

> > and the Evil Government of Evil Empire taking money for themselv.

> >

> > I am the only son, and depite of my huge respects for Indian

deities, I

> > still am not married nor have children ( I am in my 40s )

> >

> > I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian hyperbole...But my

> > pbservation of Jyotish and its accuracy tells me that the race

who developed

> > this Divine Science cannot be wrong...From a prostitute to

> > multi-millionaire, all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the

charts

> > exactly tells what they are...have been through....

> >

> > So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate surrenders totaaly at

the feet

> > of All Vedic deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and

Sannyasins, and

> > seeking their help but I am sinking deeply into the nefarious

world of

> > desparation...

> >

> > What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji consider

effective, when

> > the Yogakaraka RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly

opposed to

> > by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury..

> >

> > If I were to go down, I must at least do some good to the world

but I

> > cannot do that even for I have to fight so many battles for

exitences, and I

> > sense my life is totally useless for me and the world...

> >

> > But whart you say is true,,,All devata and navagraha are

within...It is

> > that Maya,s lid is so strong, we cannot really identify what we

truly

> > are....SatchitAnanda...

> >

> > I do not know where you are Souravji, but if you were in

Aryavarta, God

> > bless! That is the only land, together with the United States,

that I found

> > worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived all western EU nations

and

> > Switzerland but compare to these, India and USA are the only

nations that

> > have genuine Greatness )

> >

> > I sometimes see many NRI people who left India and live in west,

dress and

> > act as westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior

cultures???

> >

> > WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, all beings must

turn to

> > Aryavarta...the brahmin nation which rules the world from the

beginning

> > until the end of Time..

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *Sourav <souravc108* wrote:

> >

> > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*

> > *|| Durgaa Saranam ||*

> > Dear Silva-ji,

> > namaskar.

> > 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that

they have

> > done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature

(lilaa) that he

> > comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri

Krsna in The

> > Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging

some karma,

> > then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the

dharma of the

> > Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself.

> > Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas;

in true

> > essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas

only bear the

> > signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and

going back

> > into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient

and hence

> > cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes

birth, the

> > signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are

certain

> > indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come.

> > Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a

beautiful girl

> > and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't

understand this

> > true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar

situation. That

> > is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and

sufferred

> > the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great

devotee.

> > 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you

have a

> > slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination

after a

> > long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to

chart a new

> > route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take

a different

> > route than what you were about to and reach the destination with

a little

> > less trouble.

> > A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a

mountain

> > of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled

explosions, that

> > mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or

jyotishi

> > is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of

the mountain

> > you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions

will be

> > futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of

explosion is

> > the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then

inspite of

> > strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of

karma

> > cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above

all, have

> > faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur

used to say,

> > the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl

our sails

> > (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a

Guru and only

> > take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high

caliber.

> > Best wishes,

> > Sourav

> >

> >

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> >

> > sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really

wonder what

> > is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems

most of

> > Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices.

> > >

> > > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some

mountain and

> > going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins

committed by the

> > one suffereing?

> > >

> > > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going

mountain,

> > feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What

one does,

> > one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies

seems teh

> > Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors,

etc., these

> > unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed

all buddhists

> > nations.

> > >

> > > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes,

> > orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do

if one prays

> > this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > | om gurave namah |

> > > Dear Venkatesh

> > > Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that

does not

> > mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when

Sri Rama lost

> > Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa,

He got Her

> > back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a

washerman and He

> > again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends

on the

> > nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy

is the only

> > panacea against strong curses.

> > > Best wishes and warm regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > -------------------------------

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> > > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA

> > > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]

On Behalf

> > Of Venkatesh S

> > > Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM

> > > sohamsa

> > > Cc: guruji@

> > > Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse

Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > |JAI SRIRAM|

> > >

> > > Dear Guruji,

> > >

> > > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse

ended on

> > 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > S.Venkatesh

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rathguruji@ wrote: --- In

sohamsa , " Sanjay

> > Rath " wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > > Dear Srinivasa

> > > Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and

> > > happiness

> > > is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama

is

> > > one of the

> > > solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite

mantras

> > > to

> > > propitiate Dakshinamurty.

> > > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > > WebPages:

> > > SJC: http://.org

> > > Personal: http://srath.com

> > > Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us

> > > Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com

> > >

> > >

> > > sohamsa [sohamsa ]

On

> > > Behalf Of

> > > padmanu

> > > Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM

> > > sohamsa

> > > Trouble from Sons - Curse

> > >

> > > Om Gurave Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Guruvarya,

> > >

> > > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is

> > > suffering

> > > on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected

> > > government

> > > job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a

good

> > > position

> > > before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).

> > > Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school

> > > teacher,

> > > and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is

> > > trying take

> > > his father's wealth( this is after marriage).

> > > Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14.

He

> > > left

> > > education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.

> > > He

> > > has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard.

Indebted

> > > to others

> > > etc.

> > > I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from

graha

> > > dristi

> > > from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house

dristi

> > > from

> > > Rahu?

> > >

> > > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the

Pitrukaraka

> > > giving

> > > curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was

opposed

> > > to him

> > > when he married a women from another caste.

> > > Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his

> > > Atmakaraka Budha

> > > had started.

> > >

> > > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it

may be

> > > reduced

> > > by propitiation.

> > >

> > > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in

> > > understanding the

> > > chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.

> > >

> > > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.

> > >

> > > Pranam

> > >

> > > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah

> > >

> > > Srinivasa

> > >

> > > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao

> > >

> > > Natal Chart

> > >

> > > September 22, 1945

> > > Time: 23:24:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 80 E 05' 00 " , 15 N 09' 00 "

> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > >

> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada

> > > Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)

> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)

> > > Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)

> > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)

> > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)

> > > Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)

> > > Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)

> > >

> > > Sunrise: 6:02:05

> > > Sunset: 18:02:51

> > > Janma Ghatis: 43.4135

> > >

> > > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43

> > > Sidereal Time: 23:19:14

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ! om tat sat !

> > > Footnotes:

> > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God

Surya

> > > shares his

> > > light with the entire planet, without bias and without

emotions. Let

> > > us rise

> > > in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all

creatures.

> > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of

> > > energy. Use

> > > the energy given by Surya well.

> > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya

> > > Himself

> > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.

> > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not

> > > represent

> > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.

> > >

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| om gurave namah |Dear Friend,

I find it hard to differentiate between 'desiring something for oneself' and 'coveting something for oneself' and 'selfishness'. The problem is not in the theory that you propose which I think is perfectly right and valid, but in the actual practise of desiring something which is simultaneously 'not desired by another'. Selfishness is defined as desiring something which is simultaneously also desired by another. Look at anything in this world that can be desired by one man, and simultaneously that is also desired by another. This leads to differences between human beings. In their little minds, even God is desired by one man and he starts to fight with another man when the latter also desires God!! This is the root of religious fundamentalism.

 

The only way to desire something good for oneself and not cause pain to another is to keep quiet about it.

 

Satva guna & Kama Bija: That is really what is meant by Krishna Prema or the Kama Bija 'KliiM' which causes satva guna to rise to astounding levels. Attraction is the magnetic force of satva guna. This keeps beings together. Cities have tremendous satva guma to keep so many human beings together in such a small space but in the process the human beings tend to brush their rajas in a bad way thereby spoiling the beauty of the city. The satva of the cities causes Lakshmi (Sri shakti) to reside there. Hence the cities have more wealth than the villages.

 

True manifestation of satva witha lower level of rajas and tamas is the mark of spirituality. In such a case the person has only love for every being. This love is the Kama Bija KliiM which manifests as Krishna. When a erson starts the japa of a mantra like 'Hare Rama Krishna' or the Mahamantra, the rajas inside the person tries to fight back and retake control of the mind. This manifests as desire for wealth and other goodies that society has to offer. The tamas tries to manifest as power over other people and other things and creatures. So the battle of Mahabharata has to be fought inside the mind where the mana is struggling to maintain satva in the face of such alluring rajas or such overpowering tamas. Hatred develops. Hatred that was always there but never found an expression as the person was always hiding in the mind it due to his/her acculturation in society.

 

In this battle against Rajas and Tamas in the mind, I have found that people in the developed countries are more capable of getting over rajas and hence they give up bad habits like smoking or drinking and such things and try to maintain a disciplened life while people in developing countries can win over tamas and the need to overpower others. Yet the other guna is a struggle they continue to fight throughout their lives.

 

HriiM ShriiM KliiM - these are the three Bija mantras to help overcome the failings associated with Tamas, Rajas and Satva guna. These three manifest as Hare Rama Krishna for a Vaishnava while they can manifest as Hare Radhe Krishna for a Krishna follower or as Ganesha Durga Shiva for a Shaiva or as Jesus Mary Holy father for a Christian or even as Bodhisatva Tara and Buddha for a Buddhist.

 

So it is a tough process and very very individual. Since we know that these three Bijas of HriiM ShriiM KliiM have manifested from AUM (Om), it is needless to say that these three Bijas have to finally give way to AUM or Om when we depart from this planet. Of we cling to either of these gunas, then rebirth is sure to happen as these Bijas will lead us back to this planet or a higher loka. If we want to get out of the cycle of rebirth then we have to go beyond all the gunas i.e. find our way back to AUM through the 'HriiM ShriiM KliiM' and stay at AUM. This is easier said than done. When we are at this stage them we shall manifest as the 'Avadhuta Brahmana' or Dattatreya - see Krishna's teachings in the Bhagavatam.

 

If you ask me Sanjay where do you think you are? Man! I am doomed. I am still struggling with rajas and am definitely a product of a developing society.

Best wishes and warm regards,Sanjay RathPersonal: WebPages ◠Rath’s Rhapsody SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ◠SJCERC ◠JIVAPublications: The Jyotish Digest ◠Sagittarius Publications----

 

 

 

 

sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of rahpad93Monday, November 06, 2006 7:04 AMsohamsa Subject: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath :Selfishness

 

 

I believe the term selfishness is misinterpreted and misunderstood. Selfishness is an emotion when a person desires something for oneself and at the same time, does not want anyone else to have what he desires.Wishing and desiring good for oneself is not wrong and is not selfishness.sohamsa , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" <hinduastrology wrote:>> Namaskaar Sri> > Though you have desired that this email be shared between Sri Sanjay Rathji> and Sri Sourav, somehow it has been posted in the group. I am taking the> liberty to respond to some of your queries.> > By doing mantra japa, noone bends the law of karma. Infact, mantra japa> itself is a karma. So one humbly submits one's ego to the Lord and prays.> That prayer act as a Karma and is bound to have a result. Since the Lord is> the Karmaphaladata, one cannot say what result one will get. However,> through experience and pointers in Shastras one can understand that by doing> Japa one can look forward to some results.> > Besides, if one does Mantra Japa for the needs of Artha and Kama, the Dharma> is preserved - unless one does any of the mantras for Tamasic purposes> (Vashikaran, Killing, etc). Among the four purusharthas - the pursuits of> Artha and Kama, if done preserving the Dharma, are sanctioned.> > There is a growing tendency to call anything as selfish. The Upanishad says> "Atmanastu Kamaya Sarvam Priyam Bhavati" - This statement proves that one> does all for oneself. The question is what does a person define as "self".> Is it the smaller self or is it the whole Self or is it any of the levels of> identification with the others? Even the pursuit of Moksha be called> selfish, because it is done for oneself.> > The idea that one gives can give rise to major Ego problems. I know of a> gentleman who has donated large sums of money to have his name engraved on> the front door of a temple. The danam should be done anonymously and that> too for joy. Now getting joy can also be called Selfish! Now, where does one> hide this selfishness? It is best to let the Self "expand" to encompass the> whole. In other words, realize one's True Self.> > Furthermore, when nothing exists but Brahman, then what is evil? Why call a> land Evil? Buddhists may be following their own tradition, let us not> comment upon them. What good will one achieve by calling names to others?> > You have also expressed desire to do something good for the world and would> like to share this - The greatest thing you can do to the world, is to find> your own Self and come out of a silly cycle of good-evil, etc. One less ego> is the best for the world. Believe me, I am not joking.> > One cannot change the other. The very notion that one controls the other, is> a false one. Each person can change oneself. Only when another submits with> reverence, that you can change the other. Before anyone submits to you, you> will have to full of compassion and knowledge.> > Either way you look, it is best to seek the True Self.> > These comments are not to start a debate, so kindly refrain from it.> > Thanks and Regards> Bharat> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/4/06, silva graduate <silvagraduate wrote:> >> > This is rather a confidendial matter and I request this email be shared> > only with Sanjayji and you.> >> > I see that SJC is ISKCON similar line of thought, that means holds Sri> > Krsna as Supreme God.> >> > However, Veda ( samhita potions only genuine ) do not proclaim this view.> > Abhay Charan De and his followers always call the other Deities as demi-gods> > but this is only ISKCON point of view following ISKCON translation of Gita.> > Gita is purana, not shaastra, so it cannot surpass the Vedas which is the> > source of all knowledge.> >> > I myself understand some Upaya are very scienfitic and logical. All> > entities are under Navagraha ( at leaset in our Solar Systm ). So, if some> > people have Shani dosha, it is understandable that they must feed crows or> > serve old or homeless, black dogs, etc, since all entities are united in> > energy level ( Unified Field Theory ).> >> > But what I really have question is, that by chanting Navagraha mantra or> > going up the mountain in bear foot, which actually do not remedy any beings'> > suffering, that somehow our past eveil deeds are nullified.> >> > This common theorem propagated by Hindu astrologers have not answer the> > Law of Cause and Effect. Suppose someone killes others for money. Then in> > next or immidiate life, he must suffere poverty and violent death.> >> > How, by supplicating deities which do not have any authority to bend the> > Law of CAUSE AND EFFECT which even God cannot do, mitigate our sufffering.> >> > In other words, if we repent and do great works to help and heal all> > beings around us, our life become worthy and necessary for the existence.> >> > But many selfish men such as some fool who ask for a mantra for beauty> > which is abslultely childish ( in this forum ), believes by mumbling quasi> > Sanskrit words ( Sanskrit is very accurate language and must be enunciated> > properly ) advocates Navagraha mantras and other concocted works of post> > Mahabharata Hinduims.> >> > I for example chanted certain Navagraha mantra from morning to sunset> > without food, drink and toilet, compleated the numbers required, Nothing> > happened.> >> > My Tamil Brahmin friend ( real brahmin by birth and qualification and the> > works of charity ) also know many mantras and tested, but popular Navagraha> > tantrik mantras did not work ).> >> > I find, that the puja by proxy advocated by HIndus and Buddhists, Roman> > catholics have fundamentally selfish. One's own tapas is the key to lessen> > the karmic retribution, not some paid pujari who have no interest nor> > compassion for unknown men who send money from somewhere.> >> > I believe there are genuine Upaya. The best of all is to help children,> > women, animals and handicapped.> >> > But theere is no such remedies chanting mantras or going on to some> > mountain in India...not in the Vedas, BPHS and other ancient works of sages.> >> > I think Kali yuga, we all seek easy remediy.> >> > Indeed the qualified Vedic astrologers are vicar of Mahakala; they can> > discern life and death matter. But how few are those...I think we can count> > those in our hands.> >> >> > Another fundamental problem for praying to particular deity is this:> >> > Navagraha have been entrusted to execute the dispensation of karma. What> > authority some gods or goddesses have to override Navagraha?> >> > Bringing and quoting puranas cannot stand a logical argument. Saiva,> > Vaishnava, Shakta all have their supreme boooks which were written by their> > co-religioninsts who proclaims that their god is Supreme.> >> > The Vedas ( samhita ) do not proclaim these sectarian ideas.> >> > Another matter is, only when one repent so deeply and actively involve> > wealfare of others, there is real need for Universe to preserve his life> > even his karma be so evil.> >> > What power of curse normal human beings have, be they mothers, fathers,> > etc, who have no vak-siddhi at all. Pitri tarpana and all other false dogma> > which teaches we can do something for the dead is contrary to the Vedas (> > samhita only. brahmana and other parts do not constitute the Vedas ).> >> > If someone can donate money to copulating and glutton pujari of mandir can> > the dead be escaope from damnation? This is Mayavadi teaching which is most> > prevalent in buddhist nations.> >> > Of all religions, nothing is so devastating to human spirit but the> > budhism. Mohammedanism is much better than nihilistic philosophy.> >> > Sans Dieu, pas spiritualite ( a word of great Quebecois devotee of Krsna )> >> > So, what I am finding is, many physically living gurus of well known have> > some questionable practice..> >> > I was greatly attached to a female guru from South India who does> > Jagadyatra... But her organisation starts more and more online puja,,,done> > by some pujari far away for money...> >> > Whan an American caucasian youth of 30s who is not even svami started> > conduct navagraha puja and homa ( ganapati homa , etc ) in the Evil Empire,> > I was devastated... Why this guru who is no doubt Kaliavatar allow her> > organisation do such buddhistic practicves...> >> > Many ISKCON gurus absconded with money and women, abused> > chuildren...documented facts. So is lier Mukrtananda of SYDA, so is> > Rajneesh, so is Ravishanker, Maheshi Yogi,,,,all shame of India who> > desecrated the Aryavarta by their evil ways...> >> > In other pantehons stands Bhagavan Ramakrsna, Bhagavan Shiridi Baba,> > Bhagavan Sathya Sai Baba......and countless unknown but genuine saints of> > Aryavarta....> >> > The sincere ex-Indian born as foreigners is this:> >> > how to find a Sadguru and can settle and survive ( economically ) in> > India...> >> > Despite of evil Western and Mohamedan influence, still in India genuine> > saints lives, and innocent and loving Indians live...> >> > So, knowing I have only only 2 and half years before coming Sade Sathi, I> > must find a Sadguru who is not inudated by foreign devotees ( which makes> > sadhana impossible since they come to India as tourists ).> >> > I must find in colder climate, such as Chandigah, Simla, etc, a sadguru> > who can really guide me one on one in many Puja-viddhi....> >> > But my fear is, as my chart indicates, that may be Lord Saturn is luring> > me into India so that He can totally annihilate me by ganged up by dacoits> > attack ( as per my chart ).> >> > Death is salvation to me. But I have a sacred Mission to sell my parental> > property and transfer money to safely India, instead of buddhist relatives> > and the Evil Government of Evil Empire taking money for themselv.> >> > I am the only son, and depite of my huge respects for Indian deities, I> > still am not married nor have children ( I am in my 40s )> >> > I wonder, may be all of Indian lore are Indian hyperbole...But my> > pbservation of Jyotish and its accuracy tells me that the race who developed> > this Divine Science cannot be wrong...From a prostitute to> > multi-millionaire, all ages and all races I ahve interviewed, the charts> > exactly tells what they are...have been through....> >> > So please realise this fact..Silvagraduate surrenders totaaly at the feet> > of All Vedic deities, Avatars, Rishis, Siddhas, Yogis and Sannyasins, and> > seeking their help but I am sinking deeply into the nefarious world of> > desparation...> >> > What remedial measures do you or Pandit Sanjayji consider effective, when> > the Yogakaraka RetrograteShani dev in his own house is directly opposed to> > by the badhaka lord Sun afflicted atmakaraka Mercury..> >> > If I were to go down, I must at least do some good to the world but I> > cannot do that even for I have to fight so many battles for exitences, and I> > sense my life is totally useless for me and the world...> >> > But whart you say is true,,,All devata and navagraha are within...It is> > that Maya,s lid is so strong, we cannot really identify what we truly> > are....SatchitAnanda...> >> > I do not know where you are Souravji, but if you were in Aryavarta, God> > bless! That is the only land, together with the United States, that I found> > worhty for adoration and loyalty ( I lived all western EU nations and> > Switzerland but compare to these, India and USA are the only nations that> > have genuine Greatness )> >> > I sometimes see many NRI people who left India and live in west, dress and> > act as westerners...Why do they want to imitate inferior cultures???> >> > WHen the evltuion of souls comes to near end, all beings must turn to> > Aryavarta...the brahmin nation which rules the world from the beginning> > until the end of Time..> >> >> >> >> >> > *Sourav <souravc108* wrote:> >> > *|| Hare Raama Krsna ||*> > *|| Durgaa Saranam ||*> > Dear Silva-ji,> > namaskar.> > 1. When Lord (avataara) taken birth amongst us, it is not that they have> > done a bad karma out of ignorance. It is His sporting nature (lilaa) that he> > comes to us to keep us on the path of dharma (as stated by Sri Krsna in The> > Gita). You can say that birth/rebirth must be due to discharging some karma,> > then we can say that it is to discharge a heavy debt of the dharma of the> > Universe that Vishwapati incarnates Himself.> > Grahas are all within and we are not under 'control' of grahas; in true> > essence, we are under the control of our own ignorance. Grahas only bear the> > signatures of our evolutionary development i.e coming out and going back> > into ignorance of our True Nature. Lord is Sarvagna, Omniscient and hence> > cannot be under control of grahas. However, when Lord takes birth, the> > signatures in the sky corroborate that. That is why there are certain> > indications/yogas when Mahaapurushas come.> > Lord Visnu protected his devotee Naarada from marrying a beautiful girl> > and getting trapped in the mires of samsaara. Naarada didn't understand this> > true intent and cursed Lord Vishnu to suffer from a similar situation. That> > is why Lord Visnu took birth in form of Sri Raama (avataara) and sufferred> > the consequences and to keep the spoken word of this great devotee.> > 2. Upaayas are measures to rectify what is already wrong. If you have a> > slow car and take the main road, then you will reach destination after a> > long time. But if you look into the map (bhavishyat) and try to chart a new> > route and turn the steering appropriately, you will perhaps take a different> > route than what you were about to and reach the destination with a little> > less trouble.> > A huge natural force and long period of time is needed to build a mountain> > of rocks. But with a few sticks of dynamite and controlled explosions, that> > mountain (of karma ) can be brought down. Only a true Daivagna or jyotishi> > is an expert as to tell you where in the cracks and crevices of the mountain> > you should plant the few dynamite sticks. Otherwise, explosions will be> > futile or will not provide satisfactory result. The strength of explosion is> > the strength of your faith. So if you don't have faith then inspite of> > strategically locating those sticks of dynamite, the mountain of karma> > cannot be crumbled. So have faith in remedial measures. Above all, have> > faith in God as He will take you in the right path. As Thakur used to say,> > the wind (of grace of God) is always blowing, we have to unfurl our sails> > (faith) and take advantage of it. Thakur also taught to test a Guru and only> > take refuge in him after verifying that he is a guru of high caliber.> > Best wishes,> > Sourav> >> > ===============================================================================================================> >> > sohamsa , silva graduate <silvagraduate@> wrote:> > >> > > If the Lord Rama also were under Navagraha control, I really wonder what> > is the effective ness of the remedies propagated here. It seems most of> > Upayas are not really tested by the people who is giving advices.> > >> > > for example. if Sade Sathi is lessened by going to some mountain and> > going upon the hill on feet, what that recompense the sins committed by the> > one suffereing?> > >> > > In other words, if the past evil karma is nullified by going mountain,> > feeding crows, it fundamentally violates the law of justice. What one does,> > one receives. To advice without due consideration many remedies seems teh> > Buddhistic trap, I mean charging money to propitiate ancenstors, etc., these> > unVedic practices that killed vedic civilisation and corrputed all buddhists> > nations.> > >> > > Sincere remedies are to do seva at hostpitals, nursing homes,> > orphanages,,,instead of doing active good, what good does it do if one prays> > this god and that goddess, go on mountain on feet or not.> > >> > >> > >> > > Sanjay Rath sanjayrath@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > | om gurave namah |> > > Dear Venkatesh> > > Mula dasa shows the aperational period of the curse and that does not> > mean that it ends when the operation is over. For example when Sri Rama lost> > Sita during the operation of the curse during Saturn mula dasa, He got Her> > back but then even after that Saturn came in the form of a washerman and He> > again lost Sita. So the curse continued to operate. A lot depends on the> > nature of the curse and how it shall function. Continued remedy is the only> > panacea against strong curses.> > > Best wishes and warm regards,> > > Sanjay Rath> > > ---------------------------> > > Personal: WebPages ¡ü Rath's Rhapsody> > > SJC WebPages: Sri Jagannath Center ¡ü SJCERC ¡ü JIVA> > > Publications: The Jyotish Digest ¡ü Sagittarius Publications> > > -------------------------------> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf> > Of Venkatesh S> > > Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:06 PM> > > sohamsa > > > Cc: guruji@> > > Re: Fwd: RE: Trouble from Sons - Curse Sanjay Rath> > >> > >> > >> > > |JAI SRIRAM|> > >> > > Dear Guruji,> > >> > > From the Moola dasa of Saturn the operative period of the curse ended on> > 23-sep-2000.Still the curse is there and the remedy is required.> > >> > > Regards,> > > S.Venkatesh> > >> > > Sanjay Rathguruji@ wrote: sohamsa , "Sanjay> > Rath" wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > om gurave namah> > > Dear Srinivasa> > > Curse of Guru is responsible for this as children and welath and> > > happiness> > > is lost. Propitiation of Lord Shiva with the Shiva Sahasranama is> > > one of the> > > solutions. Alternatively the native should regularly recite mantras> > > to> > > propitiate Dakshinamurty.> > > With Best Wishes & Warm Regards,> > > Sanjay Rath> > > WebPages:> > > SJC: http://.org> > > Personal: http://srath.com> > > Long Distance Lessons: http://jiva.us> > > Publications & Books: http://sagittariuspublications.com> > >> > > > > > sohamsa [sohamsa ] On> > > Behalf Of> > > padmanu> > > Monday, September 11, 2006 9:25 PM> > > sohamsa > > > Trouble from Sons - Curse> > >> > > Om Gurave Namah> > >> > > Dear Guruvarya,> > >> > > Namasthe. Please look at the following chart of gentleman who is> > > suffering> > > on account of both his sons. He retired from a well respected> > > government> > > job. Though he did not have good education himself rose to a good> > > position> > > before his retirement(Moon in the 10th Meena).> > > Both his sons are not very well educated. First is a govt school> > > teacher,> > > and has changed after marriage. Does not heed to father and is> > > trying take> > > his father's wealth( this is after marriage).> > > Second son has become wayward right from when he was around 14. He> > > left> > > education and became a police home guard, but it is temporary.> > > He> > > has married a muslim girl and recently became a drunkard. Indebted> > > to others> > > etc.> > > I see a curse involved in 4th house on Guru and Ravi(??) from graha> > > dristi> > > from Kuja in first and Sani in 2nd. Also is there a 4th house dristi> > > from> > > Rahu?> > >> > > Is Surya the Putrakaraka giving curse or/and Guru the Pitrukaraka> > > giving> > > curse. This person also had trouble from his father, who was opposed> > > to him> > > when he married a women from another caste.> > > Trouble from his second started when the Moola dasa of his> > > Atmakaraka Budha> > > had started.> > >> > > I am assuming since the curse is in the 4th house a kendra it may be> > > reduced> > > by propitiation.> > >> > > I request the Gurujan on this board to please guide me in> > > understanding the> > > chart and also any remedies that I can convey to the native.> > >> > > This is my humble request with folded hands to one and all.> > >> > > Pranam> > >> > > Om Sree Lakshmi Narayanaya Namah> > >> > > Srinivasa> > >> > > Native - Varada Rajagopala Rao> > >> > > Natal Chart> > >> > > September 22, 1945> > > Time: 23:24:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 80 E 05' 00", 15 N 09' 00"> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > >> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Parthiva - Bhadrapada> > > Tithi: Krishna Dwitiya (Mo) (96.60% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Revati (Me) (84.98% left)> > > Yoga: Vriddhi (Me) (13.02% left)> > > Karana: Taitula (Me) (93.21% left)> > > Hora Lord: Sun (5 min sign: Sc)> > > Mahakala Hora: Sun (5 min sign: Vi)> > > Kaala Lord: Venus (Mahakala: Venus)> > >> > > Sunrise: 6:02:05> > > Sunset: 18:02:51> > > Janma Ghatis: 43.4135> > >> > > Ayanamsa: 23-05-39.43> > > Sidereal Time: 23:19:14> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ! om tat sat !> > > Footnotes:> > > 1. Let us share our thoughts and knowledge like the Sun God Surya> > > shares his> > > light with the entire planet, without bias and without emotions. Let> > > us rise> > > in praise to that supreme significator of the soul of all creatures.> > > 2. You don't have to reply if you feel that there is a waste of> > > energy. Use> > > the energy given by Surya well.> > > 3. This mail is just another view, and who else other than Surya> > > Himself> > > knows the perfect truth. So say - om tat sat.> > > 4. The contents above are the views of one individual and do not> > > represent> > > the groups views nor that of the group owner.> > >