Parivartana (earnest request - here's the answer)

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Dear Swee-ji,

Unfortunately, I still havent understood clearly. However, I'll be

gone for a few days, but I'll post the answer so it'll stimulate

some discussion while its still interesting to everyone:

 

1) Venus-Mars - Absolutely brilliant period. She fell in love with

an absolutely brilliant person (gold medallist everywhere he

studied), very good looking, very well mannered, very career-

oriented, very loving. There were no problems at all, almost too

good to be true. Except, after Venus-Mars ended, in Venus-Rahu, his

parents almost overnight whisked him off to another country because

she wasnt of the same religion. Heartbreak, but that was in Venus-

Rahu. Venus-Mars was stellar.

 

2) Venus-Saturn - Found another extremely compatible person in Venus-

Jupiter (an accomplished sportsman). However, almost immediately at

the beginning of Venus-Saturn, things went horribly wrong. In a few

absolutely harrowing and painful months, from being sure of getting

married to this person, found herself completely abandoned without a

penny at midnight on the drug infested crime ridden streets of one

of the worst cities in the world. Survival itself was an absolute

miracle, but it happened, and thats another story. Eventually met

another person (in Venus-Saturn itself) and slowly rebuilt life and

got married. Overall Venus-Saturn was an almost impossible to bear

period.

 

So now that you know this, does Ruchaka Yoga gopuramsa Mars in

Capricorn explain the above Venus-Saturn period, or does debilitated

retrograde Saturn in UL explain the above period?

 

Makes me wonder...

 

Thanks,

 

Sundeep

 

sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:

>

>

> Jaya Jagannatha

>

> Dear Sundeep,

> Namaste

>

> Read Venus-Mars as Venus-Saturn and vice versa. A mahadasa

indicates events

> on the general/gross level. Antardasas indicate the event that is

likely to

> take place. The actual event is the PD. Taking Moon as the ³lagna²

as it is

> the strongest, then Mars is maraka. The residual effect of Saturn

as karaka

> of the dead is also there. The 7th from Venus with UL and A7 being

there too

> also shows ³death² of a relationship. If the event took place

during PD of

> Sun ³death² of a child, it is the badhakesh for Venus MD, if it is

the PD of

> Moon, it is in trines to the badhakesh....delineate yourself

>

> Does this make sense?

>

> Love,

>

> Swee

>

>

> On 1/20/07 12:14 AM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Swee-ji,

> > I have all the default settings in Jhora. I probably specified

the

> > dasas slightly off. I have:

> > Venus-Mars: 1989-01-20 to 1990-03-21

> > Venus-Saturn: 1995-11-23 to 1999-01-21

> > I understand that Venus doesnt have anything to do with the

> > exchange. But are you making a categorical statement that the

> > exchanging planets will show exchanged effects ONLY during each

> > other's mahadashas, and NOT AT ALL during the mahadashas of other

> > planets? While Visti's Parivartana document does say:

> >

> > " During the mahä daçä of the planets involved in the parivartana,

> > and those joined, the world

> > would see the effects of this yoga working. "

> >

> > It is still not explicitly stated that the parivartana would be

> > completely non-functional in other dasas, which would be a strong

> > statement, IMHO. So I assumed that Venus-Mars and Venus-Saturn

would

> > at least show the general effects of the parivartana, but not as

> > much as say, Mars-Mars, Mars-Saturn, Saturn-Mars or Saturn-

Saturn.

> >

> > What is your opinion? As I said earlier, the reason I take this

> > example is that the actual results felt during each of the two

> > antaras in Venus are huge, and they will either validate or

> > invalidate any parivartana theory, if a parivartana theory is

> > applicable in these antaras.

> >

> > I hesitate to venture any analysis myself since I know the actual

> > results inside out.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Sundeep

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40> , Swee Chan

> > <sweechan@> wrote:

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Jaya Jagannatha

> >> >

> >> > Dear Sundeep,

> >> > Namaste

> >> >

> >> > The exchange here is Mars and Saturn between the 7th and the

10th

> > and has

> >> > nothing to do with Venus and Jupiter and the other exchange is

> > between Sun

> >> > and Ketu.

> >> > Firstly, begin with the gross indications of the mahadasa.

What¹s

> > your

> >> > settings? I am a month out in your timing.

> >> >

> >> > Love,

> >> >

> >> > Swee

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > On 1/18/07 10:11 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@>

> >> > wrote:

> >> >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Dear Sharat, Ramesh and Swee-ji,

> >>> > > I apologize in advance for being a little direct, but the

> >>> > > Parivartana point is not driven home (at least not to me).

Being

> > of

> >>> > > I hope around average intelligence, I assume that if I am

not

> > very

> >>> > > clear, then there must be a significant bunch of people on

this

> >>> > > group who are ALSO not clear, but arent plucking up the

courage

> > to

> >>> > > say so.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > On behalf of all of us, may I suggest an approach to cut

through

> >>> > > this uncertainty (I have used this principle successfully

in my

> >>> > > researches in non-astrological subjects, so I do have a

bit of

> >>> > > experience just not in astrology):

> >>> > > 1) Please take a chart which acts as a litmus test for the

> >>> > > Parivartana theory. By a litmus test I mean something that

> > clearly

> >>> > > proves or disproves a theory. Realistically speaking,

taking two

> >>> > > averagely happy (at least) planets in Parivartana, which

are not

> > too

> >>> > > unhappy even after they exchange signs or houses(using

> > theory " a " or

> >>> > > theory " b " ), and the resulting dasas and antaras are also

not too

> >>> > > good or bad, WILL NOT do us much good in clearly proving

any

> > theory.

> >>> > > So you have to take a litmus test. I will give that to you

right

> >>> > > after my second point.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > 2) To help earnest idiots like myself, and trust me, you

have to

> > do

> >>> > > it only once, please go through the following exercise -

when you

> >>> > > say that there is any exchange of signs or rasis in

Parivartana

> > e.g.

> >>> > > when you say Saturn in Libra in 6 is exchanging with Venus

in

> >>> > > Aquarius in 10, you have two exchange possibilities (a)

Saturn in

> >>> > > Aquarius in 10 and Venus in Libra in 6 and (b) Saturn in

> > Aquarius in

> >>> > > 6 and Venus in Libra in 10. Now, WHICHEVER option you

choose " a "

> >>> > > or " b " please explain two things in the same post - (1)

What

> > would

> >>> > > have happened if the planets were REALLY in those signs and

> > houses

> >>> > > and (2) What happens when those planets APPEAR to be in

those

> > signs

> >>> > > and houses due to parivartana. That way, we really get to

> > understand

> >>> > > how parivartana is DIFFERENT from really being there.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > And here is the litmus test:

> >>> > > 20 November 1969, 21:31pm, GMT+5:30, 79E02, 28N49, Female.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Debilitated Retrograde 8th Lord in 10th Saturn exchanges

with

> >>> > > exalted gopuramsa Ruchaka Yoga Mars in 7th.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Venus in moolatrikona in 4th forming Malavya yoga, Venus in

> >>> > > gopuramsa.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Take two antaras - Venus-Mars in 1990, and Venus-Saturn in

1996-

> > 1999.

> >>> > > Please use your parivartana principles to say something

about the

> >>> > > antaras. Note: this is a litmus test as I have already

disclosed,

> >>> > > huge amounts of results were felt in each antara.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Thank you and pardon me for my directness and effrontery.

> >>> > >

> >>> > > Sundeep

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >>> > >

> >> >

> >

> >

> >

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