Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| |Om Lakshmyai Namah| Learned Members, The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted correctly on the Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward Saptamsha reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important factor which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha Lagna and also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. Thank you for your interest. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Om Namh Shivaya! Dear Anurag, I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it as Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father nor in parivartana with Sun for the given data. This was a good quiz and " parivartana " yoga again stole the limelight here. With Regards /-Akash.. sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > Learned Members, > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted correctly on the > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward Saptamsha > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important factor > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha Lagna and > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. > > Thank you for your interest. > > Regards, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| |Om Lakshmyai Namah| Dear Akash, No, I have not really misread it. Iam referring solely to the excellent analysis by Samir Shah which displays many techniques used to judge the Saptamsha Chakra. In the male chart, Mars as the lord indicates a son. The exchange with Sun should make it a daughter, both because exchange 'reverses' and also because Surya is in an even Rashi. However, this is not so. Why? Samir has given the answer. According to him, the fact that Surya is in Vrishchika makes the exchange redundant and causes no change in the sex of the child. Thus he says the child should be male. And he is absolutely right. Though the male chart is the indicator for the sex of the child, Samir has pointed out the placement of Rahu in the Saptamsha Lagna in the chart of the wife. Thus, the Parivartana of Budh with Neecha Shukra indicating the girl child is now changes to boy. Correct again. Interested members can read Samir's analysis at the Srijagganath Group. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005 wrote: > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > Dear Anurag, > > I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo > which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it as > Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father nor > in parivartana with Sun for the given data. > > This was a good quiz and " parivartana " yoga again stole the > limelight here. > > With Regards > /-Akash.. > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > Learned Members, > > > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted correctly > on the > > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward Saptamsha > > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important > factor > > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha Lagna > and > > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. > > > > Thank you for your interest. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Om Namh Shivaya! Dear Anurag, I read Samir's response too. It is due to the parivartana of Mars with Sun which changed the sex of the child and it is Mars which has given the male child which is even confirmed by Sri Vistiji in his email response. However I had couple of questions for the response - 1) What is it about Sun being in Vrischika? Any dictum or mention anywhere which says that if Sun is in Vrischika then no parivartana results? 2) In COVA as well as in other scriptures, it is clearly said that the " father's " chart is to be considered for determining the sex of a child. So how does in your case the Rahu being in the lagna of the mother's chart gives or indicates a male child? Can you please explain for the benefit of all? With regards /-Akash.. sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > Dear Akash, > > No, I have not really misread it. Iam referring solely to the > excellent analysis by Samir Shah which displays many techniques used > to judge the Saptamsha Chakra. In the male chart, Mars as the lord > indicates a son. The exchange with Sun should make it a daughter, > both because exchange 'reverses' and also because Surya is in an even > Rashi. However, this is not so. Why? Samir has given the answer. > > According to him, the fact that Surya is in Vrishchika makes the > exchange redundant and causes no change in the sex of the child. Thus > he says the child should be male. And he is absolutely right. > > Though the male chart is the indicator for the sex of the child, > Samir has pointed out the placement of Rahu in the Saptamsha Lagna in > the chart of the wife. Thus, the Parivartana of Budh with Neecha > Shukra indicating the girl child is now changes to boy. Correct again. > > Interested members can read Samir's analysis at the Srijagganath > Group. > > Regards, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005@> wrote: > > > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > > > Dear Anurag, > > > > I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo > > which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it as > > Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father nor > > in parivartana with Sun for the given data. > > > > This was a good quiz and " parivartana " yoga again stole the > > limelight here. > > > > With Regards > > /-Akash.. > > > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > > > Learned Members, > > > > > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted correctly > > on the > > > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward Saptamsha > > > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important > > factor > > > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha Lagna > > and > > > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. > > > > > > Thank you for your interest. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Anurag Sharma > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Dear Shri Akash, I am interested in perusing the answer to the Quiz by Samir Shah. Could you please give me the link or URL where it is located. Thank you. David nodinodu <avbhat2005 wrote: Om Namh Shivaya!Dear Anurag,I read Samir's response too. It is due to the parivartana of Mars with Sun which changed the sex of the child and it is Mars which has given the male child which is even confirmed by Sri Vistiji in his email response.However I had couple of questions for the response -1) What is it about Sun being in Vrischika? Any dictum or mention anywhere which says that if Sun is in Vrischika then no parivartana results?2) In COVA as well as in other scriptures, it is clearly said that the "father's" chart is to be considered for determining the sex of a child. So how does in your case the Rahu being in the lagna of the mother's chart gives or indicates a male child?Can you please explain for the benefit of all?With regards/-Akash..sohamsa , "Anurag Sharma" <anuraagsharma27 wrote:>> |Om Namo Narasimhaaya|> |Om Lakshmyai Namah|> > Dear Akash,> > No, I have not really misread it. Iam referring solely to the > excellent analysis by Samir Shah which displays many techniques used > to judge the Saptamsha Chakra. In the male chart, Mars as the lord > indicates a son. The exchange with Sun should make it a daughter, > both because exchange 'reverses' and also because Surya is in an even > Rashi. However, this is not so. Why? Samir has given the answer.> > According to him, the fact that Surya is in Vrishchika makes the > exchange redundant and causes no change in the sex of the child. Thus > he says the child should be male. And he is absolutely right. > > Though the male chart is the indicator for the sex of the child, > Samir has pointed out the placement of Rahu in the Saptamsha Lagna in > the chart of the wife. Thus, the Parivartana of Budh with Neecha > Shukra indicating the girl child is now changes to boy. Correct again.> > Interested members can read Samir's analysis at the Srijagganath > Group.> > Regards,> Anurag Sharma> http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> sohamsa , "nodinodu" <avbhat2005@> wrote:> >> > Om Namh Shivaya!> > > > Dear Anurag,> > > > I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo > > which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it as > > Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father nor > > in parivartana with Sun for the given data.> > > > This was a good quiz and "parivartana" yoga again stole the > > limelight here.> > > > With Regards> > /-Akash..> > > > sohamsa , "Anurag Sharma" > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote:> > >> > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya|> > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah|> > > > > > Learned Members,> > > > > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted correctly > > on the > > > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward Saptamsha > > > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important > > factor > > > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha Lagna > > and > > > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana.> > > > > > Thank you for your interest.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Anurag Sharma> > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com> > >> >> Need Mail bonding?Go to the Mail Q&A for great tips from Answers users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| |Om Lakshmyai Namah| Dear Akash, Namaskar. Yes, that's quite right. For the sex of the child, the chart of the father is seen. Sanjay Ji has written somewhere that even modern medicine and its view that the relevant chromosome is furnished by the male confirms this. Still, as one is going to see the female Saptamsha for the nature and well being of the pregnancy, Samir had also examined the sex of the child from the female Saptamsha. In Sanjay Ji's work, it is written that the male Saptamsha is usually a better indicator for the sex of the child. In other words, I feel if there is a conflict, then one should go by the indications of the male Saptamsha. However, as Samir has done, I feel there is nothing to preclude the examination of the female Saptamsha for the sex of the child. Now, Saptamsha analysis, like much of Jyotish, is one of those areas where the rules are perpetually being fine-tuned. For instance, Samir used the Jaimini principle of 'Vipreetam Ketouh' but Visti says this will not apply. Further, it appears from Visti's reply that unless the Graha with whom the Lord of the chid is in exchange, is placed in the Bhava of the pregancy itself, the sex of the child will not be changed and will remain the same as indicated by the Lord, which is Mars in Leo, indicating a boy. In this light, Surya's placement in Vrishchika or anywhere else, apart from Aries itself, is incapable of altering the sex of the child. About Rahu. Samir wrote a reply on Sriagganth list, where he stated the principle given by Visti some time back: Rahu conjoined the LORD of th Saptamsha Lagna, which is the case in the female Saptamsha, will change the sex of all children. Otherwise, Neecha Shukra might have indicated a daughter. However, as far as Shukra is concerned, it is not in Parivartana with the lord of the child, and I wonder if the rule applicable to Surya in the male chart is applicable here. Before these crisper rules were stated by Visti in this thread, the most precise information was found at this link: http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2005/08/progeny-in-jyotish-ii-number- sex-of.html Some of the finer rules that have come out in this thread, from Samir and then Visti will, I think, aid Saptamsha analysis greatly. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetaryransformation.blogspot.com sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005 wrote: > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > Dear Anurag, > > I read Samir's response too. It is due to the parivartana of Mars > with Sun which changed the sex of the child and it is Mars which has > given the male child which is even confirmed by Sri Vistiji in his > email response. > > However I had couple of questions for the response - > > 1) What is it about Sun being in Vrischika? Any dictum or mention > anywhere which says that if Sun is in Vrischika then no parivartana > results? > > 2) In COVA as well as in other scriptures, it is clearly said that > the " father's " chart is to be considered for determining the sex of > a child. So how does in your case the Rahu being in the lagna of the > mother's chart gives or indicates a male child? > > Can you please explain for the benefit of all? > > With regards > /-Akash.. > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > Dear Akash, > > > > No, I have not really misread it. Iam referring solely to the > > excellent analysis by Samir Shah which displays many techniques > used > > to judge the Saptamsha Chakra. In the male chart, Mars as the lord > > indicates a son. The exchange with Sun should make it a daughter, > > both because exchange 'reverses' and also because Surya is in an > even > > Rashi. However, this is not so. Why? Samir has given the answer. > > > > According to him, the fact that Surya is in Vrishchika makes the > > exchange redundant and causes no change in the sex of the child. > Thus > > he says the child should be male. And he is absolutely right. > > > > Though the male chart is the indicator for the sex of the child, > > Samir has pointed out the placement of Rahu in the Saptamsha Lagna > in > > the chart of the wife. Thus, the Parivartana of Budh with Neecha > > Shukra indicating the girl child is now changes to boy. Correct > again. > > > > Interested members can read Samir's analysis at the Srijagganath > > Group. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > > > > > Dear Anurag, > > > > > > I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo > > > which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it > as > > > Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father > nor > > > in parivartana with Sun for the given data. > > > > > > This was a good quiz and " parivartana " yoga again stole the > > > limelight here. > > > > > > With Regards > > > /-Akash.. > > > > > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > > > > > Learned Members, > > > > > > > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted > correctly > > > on the > > > > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward > Saptamsha > > > > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important > > > factor > > > > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha > Lagna > > > and > > > > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interest. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anurag Sharma > > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| |Om Lakshmyai Namah| Dear Akash, Namaskar. Yes, that's quite right. For the sex of the child, the chart of the father is seen. Sanjay Ji has written somewhere that even modern medicine and its view that the relevant chromosome is furnished by the male confirms this. Still, as one is going to see the female Saptamsha for the nature and well being of the pregnancy, Samir had also examined the sex of the child from the female Saptamsha. In Sanjay Ji's work, it is written that the male Saptamsha is usually a better indicator for the sex of the child. In other words, I feel if there is a conflict, then one should go by the indications of the male Saptamsha. However, as Samir has done, I feel there is nothing to preclude the examination of the female Saptamsha for the sex of the child. Now, Saptamsha analysis, like much of Jyotish, is one of those areas where the rules are perpetually being fine-tuned. For instance, Samir used the Jaimini principle of 'Vipreetam Ketouh' but Visti says this will not apply. Further, it appears from Visti's reply that unless the Graha with whom the Lord of the chid is in exchange, is placed in the Bhava of the pregancy itself, the sex of the child will not be changed and will remain the same as indicated by the Lord, which is Mars in Leo, indicating a boy. In this light, Surya's placement in Vrishchika or anywhere else, apart from Aries itself, is incapable of altering the sex of the child. About Rahu. Samir wrote a reply on Sriagganth list, where he stated the principle given by Visti some time back: Rahu conjoined the LORD of th Saptamsha Lagna, which is the case in the female Saptamsha, will change the sex of all children. Otherwise, Neecha Shukra might have indicated a daughter. However, as far as Shukra is concerned, it is not in Parivartana with the lord of the child, and I wonder if the rule applicable to Surya in the male chart is applicable here. Before these crisper rules were stated by Visti in this thread, the most precise information was found at this link: http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2005/08/progeny-in-jyotish-ii-number- sex-of.html Some of the finer rules that have come out in this thread, from Samir and then Visti will, I think, aid Saptamsha analysis greatly. Regards, Anurag Sharma http://www.planetaryransformation.blogspot.com sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005 wrote: > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > Dear Anurag, > > I read Samir's response too. It is due to the parivartana of Mars > with Sun which changed the sex of the child and it is Mars which has > given the male child which is even confirmed by Sri Vistiji in his > email response. > > However I had couple of questions for the response - > > 1) What is it about Sun being in Vrischika? Any dictum or mention > anywhere which says that if Sun is in Vrischika then no parivartana > results? > > 2) In COVA as well as in other scriptures, it is clearly said that > the " father's " chart is to be considered for determining the sex of > a child. So how does in your case the Rahu being in the lagna of the > mother's chart gives or indicates a male child? > > Can you please explain for the benefit of all? > > With regards > /-Akash.. > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > Dear Akash, > > > > No, I have not really misread it. Iam referring solely to the > > excellent analysis by Samir Shah which displays many techniques > used > > to judge the Saptamsha Chakra. In the male chart, Mars as the lord > > indicates a son. The exchange with Sun should make it a daughter, > > both because exchange 'reverses' and also because Surya is in an > even > > Rashi. However, this is not so. Why? Samir has given the answer. > > > > According to him, the fact that Surya is in Vrishchika makes the > > exchange redundant and causes no change in the sex of the child. > Thus > > he says the child should be male. And he is absolutely right. > > > > Though the male chart is the indicator for the sex of the child, > > Samir has pointed out the placement of Rahu in the Saptamsha Lagna > in > > the chart of the wife. Thus, the Parivartana of Budh with Neecha > > Shukra indicating the girl child is now changes to boy. Correct > again. > > > > Interested members can read Samir's analysis at the Srijagganath > > Group. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > > > > > Dear Anurag, > > > > > > I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo > > > which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it > as > > > Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father > nor > > > in parivartana with Sun for the given data. > > > > > > This was a good quiz and " parivartana " yoga again stole the > > > limelight here. > > > > > > With Regards > > > /-Akash.. > > > > > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > > > > > Learned Members, > > > > > > > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted > correctly > > > on the > > > > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward > Saptamsha > > > > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important > > > factor > > > > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha > Lagna > > > and > > > > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interest. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Anurag Sharma > > > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Om Namh Shivaya! Dear David, Herz the link to the message - /message/22768 With Regards /-Akash... sohamsa , David Andrews <dprapus wrote: > > Dear Shri Akash, > I am interested in perusing the answer to the Quiz by Samir Shah. > Could you please give me the link or URL where it is located. > Thank you. > > David > > > nodinodu <avbhat2005 wrote: > Om Namh Shivaya! > > Dear Anurag, > > I read Samir's response too. It is due to the parivartana of Mars > with Sun which changed the sex of the child and it is Mars which has > given the male child which is even confirmed by Sri Vistiji in his > email response. > > However I had couple of questions for the response - > > 1) What is it about Sun being in Vrischika? Any dictum or mention > anywhere which says that if Sun is in Vrischika then no parivartana > results? > > 2) In COVA as well as in other scriptures, it is clearly said that > the " father's " chart is to be considered for determining the sex of > a child. So how does in your case the Rahu being in the lagna of the > mother's chart gives or indicates a male child? > > Can you please explain for the benefit of all? > > With regards > /-Akash.. > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > Dear Akash, > > > > No, I have not really misread it. Iam referring solely to the > > excellent analysis by Samir Shah which displays many techniques > used > > to judge the Saptamsha Chakra. In the male chart, Mars as the lord > > indicates a son. The exchange with Sun should make it a daughter, > > both because exchange 'reverses' and also because Surya is in an > even > > Rashi. However, this is not so. Why? Samir has given the answer. > > > > According to him, the fact that Surya is in Vrishchika makes the > > exchange redundant and causes no change in the sex of the child. > Thus > > he says the child should be male. And he is absolutely right. > > > > Though the male chart is the indicator for the sex of the child, > > Samir has pointed out the placement of Rahu in the Saptamsha Lagna > in > > the chart of the wife. Thus, the Parivartana of Budh with Neecha > > Shukra indicating the girl child is now changes to boy. Correct > again. > > > > Interested members can read Samir's analysis at the Srijagganath > > Group. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetarytransformation.blogspot.com > > sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > > > > > Dear Anurag, > > > > > > I think it is the parivartana of Sun in Scorpio and Mars in Leo > > > which did the trick of changing the sex. I guess you misread it > as > > > Rahu since Rahu is neither in the saptamsa lagna of the father > nor > > > in parivartana with Sun for the given data. > > > > > > This was a good quiz and " parivartana " yoga again stole the > > > limelight here. > > > > > > With Regards > > > /-Akash.. > > > > > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " > > > <anuraagsharma27@> wrote: > > > > > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > > > > > Learned Members, > > > > > > > > The sex of the child is male. Samir Shah has predicted > correctly > > > on the > > > > Srijagannath Group. This was not a very straightforward > Saptamsha > > > > reading and this is why I had posted the data. The important > > > factor > > > > which emerges is the role Rahu has played in the Saptamsha > Lagna > > > and > > > > also that Sun in Vrishchika nullifies the Parivartana. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > Need Mail bonding? > Go to the Mail Q & A for great tips from Answers users. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Jyotisa, Namaskar There appears to be some confusion about what I said regarding the Sun being in Vrischika - this is not a dictum in itself, and was based on the positions in the chart. Here's what I wrote originally: " Mangal is in parivartana but the rasi involved is Vrischika so it doesn't change anything here. " So the lord of the pregnancy is in parivartana, but the sign involved is not the sign of the pregnancy - and this is why it does not alter the sex of the child. If the Sun had instead been in Mesha, then the parivartana would reverse the sex of the child. Please note that I gave two alternate analyses for the male chart - depending on whether or not Ketu in lagna reversed the count (because I am not convinced that it does). In the first case (i.e., if Ketu DID reverse the count), then the parivartana involves the sign indicating the pregnancy, and does indeed change the sex. In the second case (i.e., if Ketu in lagna DIDN'T affect the count), the parivartana has no effect on the sex, because the sign of the pregnancy is now Vrischika. I hope that makes it clearer. Best wishes, Samir sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " <anuraagsharma27 wrote: > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > Dear Akash, > Namaskar. > > Yes, that's quite right. For the sex of the child, the chart of the > father is seen. Sanjay Ji has written somewhere that even modern > medicine and its view that the relevant chromosome is furnished by > the male confirms this. > > Still, as one is going to see the female Saptamsha for the nature and > well being of the pregnancy, Samir had also examined the sex of the > child from the female Saptamsha. In Sanjay Ji's work, it is written > that the male Saptamsha is usually a better indicator for the sex of > the child. In other words, I feel if there is a conflict, then one > should go by the indications of the male Saptamsha. However, as Samir > has done, I feel there is nothing to preclude the examination of the > female Saptamsha for the sex of the child. > > Now, Saptamsha analysis, like much of Jyotish, is one of those areas > where the rules are perpetually being fine-tuned. For instance, Samir > used the Jaimini principle of 'Vipreetam Ketouh' but Visti says this > will not apply. > > Further, it appears from Visti's reply that unless the Graha with > whom the Lord of the chid is in exchange, is placed in the Bhava of > the pregancy itself, the sex of the child will not be changed and > will remain the same as indicated by the Lord, which is Mars in Leo, > indicating a boy. > > In this light, Surya's placement in Vrishchika or anywhere else, > apart from Aries itself, is incapable of altering the sex of the > child. > > About Rahu. Samir wrote a reply on Sriagganth list, where he stated > the principle given by Visti some time back: Rahu conjoined the LORD > of th Saptamsha Lagna, which is the case in the female Saptamsha, > will change the sex of all children. Otherwise, Neecha Shukra might > have indicated a daughter. > > However, as far as Shukra is concerned, it is not in Parivartana with > the lord of the child, and I wonder if the rule applicable to Surya > in the male chart is applicable here. > > Before these crisper rules were stated by Visti in this thread, the > most precise information was found at this link: > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2005/08/progeny-in-jyotish-ii-number- > sex-of.html > > Some of the finer rules that have come out in this thread, from Samir > and then Visti will, I think, aid Saptamsha analysis greatly. > > Regards, > Anurag Sharma > http://www.planetaryransformation.blogspot.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 Om Namh Shivaya! Thanks Samir, the explanations has cleared up lot of things. I indeed took that ketu being in lagna, the count is reversed and hence as you had said it the sex of the child would have reversed. So what should be followed? As per COVA and learnings here whenver Ketu is in Lagna, the counting has to be reversed. Is this correct? With Regards /-Akash.. sohamsa , " Samir " <solaris.smoke wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Jyotisa, Namaskar > > There appears to be some confusion about what I said regarding the Sun > being in Vrischika - this is not a dictum in itself, and was based on > the positions in the chart. Here's what I wrote originally: " Mangal > is in parivartana but the rasi involved is Vrischika so it doesn't > change anything here. " > > So the lord of the pregnancy is in parivartana, but the sign involved > is not the sign of the pregnancy - and this is why it does not alter > the sex of the child. If the Sun had instead been in Mesha, then the > parivartana would reverse the sex of the child. > > Please note that I gave two alternate analyses for the male chart - > depending on whether or not Ketu in lagna reversed the count (because > I am not convinced that it does). > > In the first case (i.e., if Ketu DID reverse the count), then the > parivartana involves the sign indicating the pregnancy, and does > indeed change the sex. In the second case (i.e., if Ketu in lagna > DIDN'T affect the count), the parivartana has no effect on the sex, > because the sign of the pregnancy is now Vrischika. > > I hope that makes it clearer. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > sohamsa , " Anurag Sharma " <anuraagsharma27@> > wrote: > > > > |Om Namo Narasimhaaya| > > |Om Lakshmyai Namah| > > > > Dear Akash, > > Namaskar. > > > > Yes, that's quite right. For the sex of the child, the chart of the > > father is seen. Sanjay Ji has written somewhere that even modern > > medicine and its view that the relevant chromosome is furnished by > > the male confirms this. > > > > Still, as one is going to see the female Saptamsha for the nature and > > well being of the pregnancy, Samir had also examined the sex of the > > child from the female Saptamsha. In Sanjay Ji's work, it is written > > that the male Saptamsha is usually a better indicator for the sex of > > the child. In other words, I feel if there is a conflict, then one > > should go by the indications of the male Saptamsha. However, as Samir > > has done, I feel there is nothing to preclude the examination of the > > female Saptamsha for the sex of the child. > > > > Now, Saptamsha analysis, like much of Jyotish, is one of those areas > > where the rules are perpetually being fine-tuned. For instance, Samir > > used the Jaimini principle of 'Vipreetam Ketouh' but Visti says this > > will not apply. > > > > Further, it appears from Visti's reply that unless the Graha with > > whom the Lord of the chid is in exchange, is placed in the Bhava of > > the pregancy itself, the sex of the child will not be changed and > > will remain the same as indicated by the Lord, which is Mars in Leo, > > indicating a boy. > > > > In this light, Surya's placement in Vrishchika or anywhere else, > > apart from Aries itself, is incapable of altering the sex of the > > child. > > > > About Rahu. Samir wrote a reply on Sriagganth list, where he stated > > the principle given by Visti some time back: Rahu conjoined the LORD > > of th Saptamsha Lagna, which is the case in the female Saptamsha, > > will change the sex of all children. Otherwise, Neecha Shukra might > > have indicated a daughter. > > > > However, as far as Shukra is concerned, it is not in Parivartana with > > the lord of the child, and I wonder if the rule applicable to Surya > > in the male chart is applicable here. > > > > Before these crisper rules were stated by Visti in this thread, the > > most precise information was found at this link: > > > > http://varahamihira.blogspot.com/2005/08/progeny-in-jyotish-ii- number- > > sex-of.html > > > > Some of the finer rules that have come out in this thread, from Samir > > and then Visti will, I think, aid Saptamsha analysis greatly. > > > > Regards, > > Anurag Sharma > > http://www.planetaryransformation.blogspot.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Akash, Namaskar Yes, to my knowledge, this is correct. But like I said in the original analysis, I have seen that this Ketu exception does not work on quite a few occasions, yet on others it does. So I believe that there must be some riders to go with it. Best wishes, Samir sohamsa , " nodinodu " <avbhat2005 wrote: > > Om Namh Shivaya! > > Thanks Samir, the explanations has cleared up lot of things. I > indeed took that ketu being in lagna, the count is reversed and > hence as you had said it the sex of the child would have reversed. > > So what should be followed? As per COVA and learnings here whenver > Ketu is in Lagna, the counting has to be reversed. Is this correct? > > With Regards > /-Akash.. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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