Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hare Rama KrishnaDear Swee, permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, opera singer....Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt?This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of people have observed it. Thanks With deep respect Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Swee, dear Arpadh, Franz Liszt October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT)16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born) Chart is attached. Yours, Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a écrit : Jaya JagannathaDear Arpadh,NamasteSorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian Rhapsodies).Just to clear some points:Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real†pianist who wrote music mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his romantic nocturnes etc.Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in synchronicity.Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces.Love,SweeOn 2/5/07 8:08 AM, "Arpad Joo" <panchasila Hare Rama KrishnaDear Swee,permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, opera singer....Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt?This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria.It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of people have observed it.ThanksWith deep respect Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 | om gurave namah | You are welcome, Maestro. Yours truly, Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 17:29:36 Paris, Madrid, panchasila a écrit : Hare Rama Krishna,Dear Pierre,what a joy! Thank you.After recording the Complete Symphonic Poems of Liszt (all 13)-as aConductor, "Chef D'Orchestre"- I have finally his birth time. Thank youagain. Merci!Just a note, I am grateful to your country (France) of giving me the"Grand Prix du Disque" in Paris,for this 5 CD set.With deep respectA.J.sohamsa , Poloisel wrote:>>> | om gurave namah |>> Dear Swee, dear Arpadh,>> Franz Liszt> October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT)> 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born)>> Chart is attached.>> Yours,> Pierre>>> Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid,sweechan a> écrit :>> Jaya Jagannatha>> Dear Arpadh,> Namaste>> Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyedhis Hungarian> Rhapsodies).>> Just to clear some points:>> Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc basedtheir> structures along Mozart’s creations. The only“real†pianist who wrote music> mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who wasfamous for his> romantic nocturnes etc.> Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flatmajor> for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yetworked in> synchronicity.> Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces.>>> Love,>> Swee>>> On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, "Arpad Joo" panchasila>>> Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Swee,>> permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an expianist,> opera singer....> Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt?> This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence,> philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, wasborn on the 22nd of> october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria.>> It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there wasan> unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the timethousands of> people have observed it.>> Thanks>> With deep respect>>>> Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Arpadh, Namaste Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian Rhapsodies). Just to clear some points: Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real” pianist who wrote music mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his romantic nocturnes etc. Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in synchronicity. Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces. Love, Swee On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila Hare Rama Krishna Dear Swee, permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, opera singer.... Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt? This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of people have observed it. Thanks With deep respect Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna, Dear Swee, thanks for your input. Liszt wrote at least 4 or 5 times more (volume) music for the piano than Chopin. But just for your information, I have graduated from Juilliard School of Music (New York),won 1st prize in the International Liszt Piano Competition in Boston (as a pianist)and having made some 50++ CDs with the like of London Symphony Orchestra, Amsterdam Philharmonic,Budapest Symphony etc as a conductor,and having conducted over 1,500 concerts so far (including the major operas)- I DO have some idea of the piano repertoire. (I respectfully encourage you to simply type my name into any search engine, such as or Google-Arpad Joo - and hit return.) With deep respect: Arpadh sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Arpadh,> Namaste> > Sorry, don¹t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian> Rhapsodies).> > Just to clear some points:> > Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their> structures along Mozart¹s creations. The only ³real² pianist who wrote music> mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his> romantic nocturnes etc.> Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major> for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in> synchronicity.> Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces.> > > Love,> > Swee> > > On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, "Arpad Joo" panchasila > > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> > Dear Swee,> > > > permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist,> > opera singer....> > Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt?> > This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence,> > philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on> > the 22nd of october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria.> > > > It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an> > unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of> > people have observed it.> > > > Thanks> > > > With deep respect> > > > > > > > Arpadh> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Thanks Pierre, Those who’ve got the collection of my astrodatabank data converted into vedic charts will have the information. Can someone upload the 2 in zip formats? There are several thousand charts in there. Love, Swee On 2/5/07 4:28 PM, " Poloisel " <Poloisel | om gurave namah | Dear Swee, dear Arpadh, Franz Liszt October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT) 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born) Chart is attached. Yours, Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a écrit : Jaya Jagannatha Dear Arpadh, Namaste Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian Rhapsodies). Just to clear some points: Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real” pianist who wrote music mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his romantic nocturnes etc. Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in synchronicity. Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces. Love, Swee On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila Hare Rama Krishna Dear Swee, permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, opera singer.... Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt? This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of people have observed it. Thanks With deep respect Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hare Rama Krishna, Dear Pierre, what a joy! Thank you. After recording the Complete Symphonic Poems of Liszt (all 13)-as a Conductor, " Chef D'Orchestre " - I have finally his birth time. Thank you again. Merci! Just a note, I am grateful to your country (France) of giving me the " Grand Prix du Disque " in Paris,for this 5 CD set. With deep respect A.J. sohamsa , Poloisel wrote: > > > | om gurave namah | > > Dear Swee, dear Arpadh, > > Franz Liszt > October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT) > 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born) > > Chart is attached. > > Yours, > Pierre > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a > écrit : > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Arpadh, > Namaste > > Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian > Rhapsodies). > > Just to clear some points: > > Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their > structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real†pianist who wrote music > mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his > romantic nocturnes etc. > Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major > for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in > synchronicity. > Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces. > > > Love, > > Swee > > > On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, " Arpad Joo " panchasila > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Swee, > > permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, > opera singer.... > Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt? > This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, > philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of > october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. > > It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an > unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of > people have observed it. > > Thanks > > With deep respect > > > > Arpadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Sundeep, As far as your Navamsa basics need clarifications, it would be better to not ask them to me as I myself am not sure of anything. If the data from astro data bank is reliable, the LMT correction applies. Serviteur, Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 19:56:39 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit : Dear Pierre,With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I get Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). With same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my Navamsa basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a musician?ThanksSundeepsohamsa , Poloisel wrote:>> > | om gurave namah |> > Dear Swee, dear Arpadh,> > Franz Liszt> October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT)> 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born)> > Chart is attached.> > Yours,> Pierre> > > Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a > écrit :> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Arpadh,> Namaste> > Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian > Rhapsodies).> > Just to clear some points:> > Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their > structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real†pianist who wrote music > mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his > romantic nocturnes etc.> Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major > for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in > synchronicity.> Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces.> > > Love,> > Swee> > > On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, "Arpad Joo" <panchasila > > > > Hare Rama Krishna> Dear Swee,> > permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, > opera singer....> Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt?> This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, > philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of > october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria.> > It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an > unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of > people have observed it.> > Thanks> > With deep respect> > > > Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Dear Pierre, With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I get Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). With same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my Navamsa basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a musician? Thanks Sundeep sohamsa , Poloisel wrote: > > > | om gurave namah | > > Dear Swee, dear Arpadh, > > Franz Liszt > October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT) > 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born) > > Chart is attached. > > Yours, > Pierre > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a > écrit : > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Arpadh, > Namaste > > Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian > Rhapsodies). > > Just to clear some points: > > Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their > structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real†pianist who wrote music > mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his > romantic nocturnes etc. > Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major > for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in > synchronicity. > Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces. > > > Love, > > Swee > > > On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Swee, > > permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, > opera singer.... > Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt? > This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, > philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of > october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. > > It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an > unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of > people have observed it. > > Thanks > > With deep respect > > > > Arpadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Nitin, Below is the message Sweeji was refering to.. Pierre Sanjay Rath Tuesday, May 17, 2005 Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya, Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun. The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an essay. Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture. Now having established a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on. 1. Clapton Eric March 30, 1945Time: 20:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 1 W 24' 00", 53 N 03' 00" The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out. 2. Bacharach Burt May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00", 39 N 06' 00" I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him. 3. Bach Johann Sebastian March 31, 1685Time: 5:45:00Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)Place: 10 E 19' 00", 50 N 59' 00" Once again just like the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation (Rahu). 4. Cash Johnny February 26, 1932Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 92 W 18' 00", 33 N 52' 00" Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician. 5. Denver John December 31, 1943Time: 15:55:00Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 104 W 32' 00", 33 N 24' 00" What a romantic singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments). 6. Campbell Glen April 22, 1936Time: 20:14:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 30' 00", 34 N 02' 00" I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs. 7. Berry Chuck October 18, 1926Time: 6:59:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 90 W 12' 00", 38 N 37' 00" Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus. 8. Bono July 21, 1964Time: 12:45:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 9 E 12' 00", 45 N 28' 00" Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5) 9. Brown Bobby February 5, 1969Time: 5:21:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 71 W 03' 00", 42 N 21' 00" Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine. 10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Ramapriya D [ayirpamar] Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators Dear Bipin, Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use. All the best, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <swee wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bipin, Hare Krishna For the statement drawn from Narada Purana: Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts. I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in your current and successful endeavours. Love, Swee Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 09:39:01 Paris, Madrid, nsdevan a écrit : Dear Sweeji: Where can one find more reading on how to determine a musician. While I am sure that encompasses a singer as well but astrology also provides means of determining what kind of instrument..etc. I thought Moon in trines to the Lagna with the Sun in a quadrant to the Moon makes a person adept at singing, is it so? Thanks and regards, nitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sundeep, Namaste According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. Moon gives the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji did a fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a while ago. Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which should be in trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can also be in trines to AK. Love, Swee On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent Dear Pierre, With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I get Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). With same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my Navamsa basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a musician? Thanks Sundeep sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , Poloisel wrote: > > > | om gurave namah | > > Dear Swee, dear Arpadh, > > Franz Liszt > October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT) > 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was born) > > Chart is attached. > > Yours, > Pierre > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a > écrit : > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Arpadh, > Namaste > > Sorry, donâ•˙t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed his Hungarian > Rhapsodies). > > Just to clear some points: > > Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc based their > structures along Mozartâ•˙s creations. The only ╲real╡ pianist who wrote music > mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was famous for his > romantic nocturnes etc. > Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e flat major > for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet worked in > synchronicity. > Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces. > > > Love, > > Swee > > > On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila > > > > Hare Rama Krishna > Dear Swee, > > permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, > opera singer.... > Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt? > This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, > philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of > october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. > > It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an > unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of > people have observed it. > > Thanks > > With deep respect > > > > Arpadh > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Dear Sweeji: Where can one find more reading on how to determine a musician. While I am sure that encompasses a singer as well but astrology also provides means of determining what kind of instrument..etc. I thought Moon in trines to the Lagna with the Sun in a quadrant to the Moon makes a person adept at singing, is it so? Thanks and regards, nitin On 2/5/07, Arpad Joo <panchasila wrote: Hare Rama KrishnaDear Swee, permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex pianist, opera singer....Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt?This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence , philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the public, was born on the 22nd of october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there was an unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time thousands of people have observed it. Thanks With deep respect Arpadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Dear Swee-ji, Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank you Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. However, there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the following points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of Navamsa): 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and Moon in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because the seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. I thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can some one provide some illuminating wisdom here? 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least musically talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's earlier point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, not actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna. Thanks again, Sundeep sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > Dear Sundeep, > Namaste > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. Moon gives > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji did a > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a while ago. > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which should be in > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can also be > in trines to AK. > > Love, > > Swee > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I get > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). With > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my Navamsa > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a > > musician? > > > > Thanks > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa% 40> , > > Poloisel@ wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > | om gurave namah | > >> > > >> > Dear Swee, dear Arpadh, > >> > > >> > Franz Liszt > >> > October 22, 1811 01:16:00 1:06:08 (East of GMT) > >> > 16 E 32, 47 N 34 Raiding, Austria (actually Hungary when he was > > born) > >> > > >> > Chart is attached. > >> > > >> > Yours, > >> > Pierre > >> > > >> > > >> > Dans un e-mail daté du 05/02/2007 14:50:10 Paris, Madrid, > > sweechan@ a > >> > écrit : > >> > > >> > Jaya Jagannatha > >> > > >> > Dear Arpadh, > >> > Namaste > >> > > >> > Sorry, don’t have the time of birth. (But must say I enjoyed > > his Hungarian > >> > Rhapsodies). > >> > > >> > Just to clear some points: > >> > > >> > Composers like Brahms, Beethoven (wrote mostly symphonies) etc > > based their > >> > structures along Mozart’s creations. The only “real†> > pianist who wrote music > >> > mainly for the piano was Frédéric Chopin (1810-1849) who was > > famous for his > >> > romantic nocturnes etc. > >> > Johannes Sebastian Bach wrote the Invention and Sinfornia in e > > flat major > >> > for his his son. These seem to be asymmetrically opposite and yet > > worked in > >> > synchronicity. > >> > Claude Debussy wrote more of the modern romantic pieces. > >> > > >> > > >> > Love, > >> > > >> > Swee > >> > > >> > > >> > On 2/5/07 8:08 AM, " Arpad Joo " <panchasila@> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hare Rama Krishna > >> > Dear Swee, > >> > > >> > permit me a question -since you have mentioned that you are an ex > > pianist, > >> > opera singer.... > >> > Would you know the birth time of Franz Liszt? > >> > This genius of music, composer, pianist par excellence, > >> > philantropist,conductor-with a hypnotic influence over the > > public, was born on the 22nd of > >> > october 1811, near Vienna (20 km off),Austria. > >> > > >> > It has been recorded that at the precise time of his birth, there > > was an > >> > unusually bright comet, literally above his house.At the time > > thousands of > >> > people have observed it. > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > With deep respect > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Arpadh > >> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 | om gurave namah | Sundeep, dear friend, Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There must be a trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become meaningless. Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't say ‘ Sun and Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the seventh is stronger than lagna’.I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in trine to it. The seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music supports the seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all.This of course needs confirmation by a guru. With warm regards,Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit : Dear Swee-ji,Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank you Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. However, there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the following points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of Navamsa):1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and Moon in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because the seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. I thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can some one provide some illuminating wisdom here?2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least musically talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's earlier point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, not actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna.Thanks again,Sundeepsohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan wrote:>> > Jaya Jagannatha> > Dear Sundeep,> Namaste> > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. Moon gives> the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji did a> fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a while ago.> Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which should be in> trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can also be> in trines to AK.> > Love,> > Swee> > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre,> > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I get> > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). With> > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant> > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my Navamsa> > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a> > musician?> > > > Thanks> > > > Sundeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Nitin, I am not sure of what you want me to do. There is also Sweeji message n° 9456 today on this list (below), what else? With warm regards, Pierre - - - Jaya Jagannatha Dear Sundeep,Namaste According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. Moon gives the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji did a fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a while ago. Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which should be in trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can also be in trines to AK. Love, Swee- - - Dans un e-mail daté du 07/02/2007 05:23:52 Paris, Madrid, nsdevan a écrit : ||Hare Rama Krishna|| Dear Pierreji: Merci pour votre message. I would also like to see the note that Sweeji speaks about in her message to Bipin, if you can locate it by any chance? Thanks and warm regards, nitin On 2/6/07, Poloisel <Poloisel wrote: | om gurave namah | Dear Nitin, Below is the message Sweeji was refering to.. Pierre Sanjay Rath Tuesday, May 17, 2005@gro ups.comRe: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya, Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun. The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an essay. Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture. Now having established a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on. 1. Clapton Eric March 30, 1945Time: 20:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 1 W 24' 00", 53 N 03' 00" The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out. 2. Bacharach Burt May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00", 39 N 06' 00" I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him. 3. Bach Johann Sebastian March 31, 1685Time: 5:45:00Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)Place: 10 E 19' 00", 50 N 59' 00" Once again just like the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation (Rahu). 4. Cash Johnny February 26, 1932Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 92 W 18' 00", 33 N 52' 00" Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician. 5. Denver John December 31, 1943Time: 15:55:00Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 104 W 32' 00", 33 N 24' 00" What a romantic singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments). 6. Campbell Glen April 22, 1936Time: 20:14:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 30' 00", 34 N 02' 00" I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs. 7. Berry Chuck October 18, 1926Time: 6:59:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 90 W 12' 00", 38 N 37' 00" Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus. 8. Bono July 21, 1964Time: 12:45:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 9 E 12' 00", 45 N 28' 00" Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5) 9. Brown Bobby February 5, 1969Time: 5:21:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 71 W 03' 00", 42 N 21' 00" Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine. 10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center� 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * Ramapriya D [ ayirpamar] Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators Dear Bipin, Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use. All the best, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <swee > wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bipin, Hare Krishna For the statement drawn from Narada Purana: Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts. I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in your current and successful endeavours. Love, Swee Dans un e-mail dat� du 06/02/2007 09:39:01 Paris, Madrid, nsdevan a �crit : Dear Sweeji: Where can one find more reading on how to determine a musician. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Sundeep, I wrote to you at your address. Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 07/02/2007 07:54:42 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit : Om Namo Bhagavate VasudevayaDear Pierre,I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But it is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening to the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals to me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 ||Hare Rama Krishna|| Dear Pierreji: Merci pour votre message. I would also like to see the note that Sweeji speaks about in her message to Bipin, if you can locate it by any chance? Thanks and warm regards, nitin On 2/6/07, Poloisel <Poloisel wrote: | om gurave namah | Dear Nitin, Below is the message Sweeji was refering to.. Pierre Sanjay Rath Tuesday, May 17, 2005@gro ups.comRe: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators RE: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators Jaya Jagannatha Dear Swee, Bipin, Sarbani and Ramapriya, Hearing is one thing, reproducing or creating an original is another thing altogether. The seven horses of the Sun god are the seven primary chhanda or the seven rhythm and the concept of octave comes from the 'every eighth' being similar. Jaimini and Parasara are very clear in stating that the Sun indicates musical instruments and the type of musical instrument shall depend on the planetary influences on the Sun. The Moon rules emotions and the most romantic poems are written under its influence. A song is a song if it can touch some emotional chords in our system. If it fails to do so then it is simply an essay. Jupiter and Mercury rule all sound, hearing and reproduction as has been correctly stated by the Narada and Vishnu Purana. Whether this is going to be musical or not is another thing altogether. This is where the fine words of Parasara and Jaimini come into the picture. Now having established a principle, let us examine the charts that Ramapriya has sent for checking. Let us keep in mind that these people ae also human beings and that their birth times are subject to the same vagaries that we find with other birth charts. Yet we must prod on. 1. Clapton Eric March 30, 1945Time: 20:45:00Time Zone: 0:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 1 W 24' 00 " , 53 N 03' 00 " The chart has the Sun and Moon in the navamsa lagna indicating that his production is immortal i.e. will live beyond him. He is an evergreen singer and understands rhythm and should be able to play a few instruments. Jupiter in navamsa lagna with the luminaries is really good indicating tremendous understanding of music. Such people never fade out. 2. Bacharach Burt May 12, 1928Time: 1:15:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 94 W 35' 00 " , 39 N 06' 00 " I don't know who this person is and based on navamsa assume that he plays some musical instrument very well. His style can be very passionatedue to the Mars and Venus in trines to the Sun and in navamsa lagna Leo as the Sun trines in Sagittarius. Moon is in 12th house having subhayoga on navamsa lagna and is karka-navamsa in trines to Mercury showing his ability to reproduce lines well but the music shall rule and not the vocal chords. His songs may not outlive him. 3. Bach Johann Sebastian March 31, 1685Time: 5:45:00Time Zone: 0:41:00 (East of GMT)Place: 10 E 19' 00 " , 50 N 59' 00 " Once again just like the previous chart we have a powerful Sun in navamsa lagna with the Moon in 12th house. His understanding of music shall be marvellous. With Rahu and exalted Mars joining the Sun there shall be trememdous energy in the music and great innovation (Rahu). 4. Cash Johnny February 26, 1932Time: 7:30:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 92 W 18' 00 " , 33 N 52' 00 " Navamsa lagna changes to Gemini in 3 seconds...better change it with the Sun and Moon in trines in Aquarius if this man is a singer and musician. 5. Denver John December 31, 1943Time: 15:55:00Time Zone: 7:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 104 W 32' 00 " , 33 N 24' 00 " What a romantic singer, one who will stir a lot of passion! The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna. Add the Mars and Venus to the music and you what is coming...irresistible romance. Lots of emotions and fire music (guitars, strong instruments). 6. Campbell Glen April 22, 1936Time: 20:14:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 93 W 30' 00 " , 34 N 02' 00 " I thought he was a singer! With the Moon in the 8th house in navamsa this is impossible. Navamsa calls for a correction by -5min24sec to Taurus. Saturn dispositor of the Moon is going to be in lagna as the Moon trines with Venus - rhinestone cowboy fits...old cowboy songs. 7. Berry Chuck October 18, 1926Time: 6:59:00Time Zone: 6:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 90 W 12' 00 " , 38 N 37' 00 " Moon in trines in exaltation in navamsa dispositing navamsa lagna lord Saturn with Venus. 8. Bono July 21, 1964Time: 12:45:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Place: 9 E 12' 00 " , 45 N 28' 00 " Exactly similar navamsa as John Denver (No.5) 9. Brown Bobby February 5, 1969Time: 5:21:00Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)Place: 71 W 03' 00 " , 42 N 21' 00 " Change birth time by +2min 34sec and then you have a grand luminary trine. 10. Who is this artist? You can now work on the D9 chart With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center� 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com , +91-11-25717162 * * * Ramapriya D [ ayirpamar] Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [Jaya Jagannatha] RE: Elementary doubts...music indicators Dear Bipin, Swee's points are very valid. You might want to check out charts of known musicians; just a few of them attached for your ready use. All the best, Ramapriya ayirpamar On 5/16/05, Swee Chan <swee > wrote: Jaya Jagannatha Dear Bipin, Hare Krishna For the statement drawn from Narada Purana: Hearing has to be good. Jupiter is the karaka. It also lords a fire and water sign. Mercury is the planet that gives the sense of rhythm; it also rules an earth and air sign. Mars gives the dexterity with your fingers. I have seen several charts of Mars in an earth sign, especially Taurus where Moon exalts. I hope Sri Krishna continues to bless you in your current and successful endeavours. Love, Swee Dans un e-mail dat� du 06/02/2007 09:39:01 Paris, Madrid, nsdevan a �crit : Dear Sweeji: Where can one find more reading on how to determine a musician. While I am sure that encompasses a singer as well but astrology also provides means of determining what kind of instrument..etc. I thought Moon in trines to the Lagna with the Sun in a quadrant to the Moon makes a person adept at singing, is it so? Thanks and regards, nitin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Pierre, I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But it is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening to the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals to me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate. Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from Sanjayji: " The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna " . Given that the topic he was discussing is how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how else to interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger than the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the 7th, then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 houses? Thanks Sundeep sohamsa , Poloisel wrote: > > > | om gurave namah | > > Sundeep, dear friend, > > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There must be a > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become meaningless. > > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't say ‘ Sun and > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the seventh is stronger > than lagna’. > I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in trine to it. The > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music supports the > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all. > This of course needs confirmation by a guru. > > With warm regards, > Pierre > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, > vedicastrostudent a écrit : > > Dear Swee-ji, > Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank you > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. However, > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the following > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of Navamsa): > 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and Moon > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because the > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. I > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here? > 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least musically > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's earlier > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, not > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna. > > Thanks again, > > Sundeep > > sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > Namaste > > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. > Moon gives > > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji > did a > > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a > while ago. > > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which > should be in > > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can > also be > > in trines to AK. > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I > get > > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). > With > > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant > > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my > Navamsa > > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a > > > musician? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sundeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Namaste Sri SundeepThe bhavana is more important that typing the mantra. It is not inappropriate. I have seen enough posts with arrogance and vile remarks with mantras typed on the top. :)Your learning attitude, openness and questioning speaks volumes about your personality than typing the mantra. Thanks and RegardsBharatOn 2/7/07, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent > wrote: Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Pierre, I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But it is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening to the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals to me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate. Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from Sanjayji: " The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna " . Given that the topic he was discussing is how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how else to interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger than the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the 7th, then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 houses? Thanks Sundeep sohamsa , Poloisel wrote: > > > | om gurave namah | > > Sundeep, dear friend, > > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There must be a > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become meaningless. > > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't say ' Sun and > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the seventh is stronger > than lagna'. > I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in trine to it. The > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music supports the > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all. > This of course needs confirmation by a guru. > > With warm regards, > Pierre > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, > vedicastrostudent a écrit : > > Dear Swee-ji, > Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank you > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. However, > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the following > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of Navamsa): > 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and Moon > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because the > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. I > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here? > 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least musically > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's earlier > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, not > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna. > > Thanks again, > > Sundeep > > sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > Namaste > > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. > Moon gives > > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji > did a > > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a > while ago. > > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which > should be in > > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can > also be > > in trines to AK. > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I > get > > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). > With > > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant > > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my > Navamsa > > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a > > > musician? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sundeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Sundeep, Getting my turn to the topic, Moon in a stronger seventh house than the lagnamsa and Sun in trine to it could indicate more ‘shared emotion’ and less ‘music for music’ (as it is when Sun is in trine to lagnamsa and the Moon sustains). I don’t know which aspect of Bono will remain stronger (his music or his commitment sustained by his music). Also, the Moon in Scorpio is not that much strong, so ultimately the Sun could keep the precedence over some more general fame, hence the musician.I feel what is important in this navamsa is the strong seventh with Moon in it. Then we see the Sun in trine, which can indicate music among other things in fact, but we know Bono is a musician..This was just a thought. Perhaps, your reading of Sanjayji i.e. ‘which = because’ is the correct one. With warm regards,Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 07/02/2007 07:54:42 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit : Om Namo Bhagavate VasudevayaDear Pierre,I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But it is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening to the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals to me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate.Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from Sanjayji: "The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna". Given that the topic he was discussing is how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how else to interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger than the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the 7th, then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 houses? ThanksSundeep sohamsa , Poloisel wrote:>> > | om gurave namah |> > Sundeep, dear friend,> > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There must be a > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become meaningless.> > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't say ‘ Sun and > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the seventh is stronger > than lagna’.> I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in trine to it. The > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music supports the > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all.> This of course needs confirmation by a guru.> > With warm regards,> Pierre> > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, > vedicastrostudent a écrit :> > Dear Swee-ji,> Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank you > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. However, > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the following > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of Navamsa):> 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and Moon > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because the > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. I > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here?> 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least musically > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's earlier > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, not > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna.> > Thanks again,> > Sundeep> > sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote:> >> > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > Dear Sundeep,> > Namaste> > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. > Moon gives> > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji > did a> > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a > while ago.> > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which > should be in> > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can > also be> > in trines to AK.> > > > Love,> > > > Swee> > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre,> > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I > get> > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). > With> > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant> > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my > Navamsa> > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a> > > musician?> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Sundeep> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 | om gurave namah | Dear Swee-ji, Thankyou for takig the time to centre me. I need it so much. With warm regards, Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 07/02/2007 14:00:07 Paris, Madrid, sweechan a écrit : Jaya JagannathaDear Pierre,NamasteThe analysis of the charts are poignantly done to include the panch tattwa. Moon naturally, has to be connected with a water sign to make one a singer....or a wanna be if afflicted by malefics.Love,SweeOn 2/7/07 2:31 PM, "Poloisel" <Poloisel | om gurave namah | Dear Sundeep, Getting my turn to the topic, Moon in a stronger seventh house than the lagnamsa and Sun in trine to it could indicate more ‘shared emotion’ and less ‘music for music’ (as it is when Sun is in trine to lagnamsa and the Moon sustains). I don’t know which aspect of Bono will remain stronger (his music or his commitment sustained by his music). Also, the Moon in Scorpio is not that much strong, so ultimately the Sun could keep the precedence over some more general fame, hence the musician.I feel what is important in this navamsa is the strong seventh with Moon in it. Then we see the Sun in trine, which can indicate music among other things in fact, but we know Bono is a musician..This was just a thought. Perhaps, your reading of Sanjayji i.e. ‘which = because’ is the correct one. With warm regards,Pierre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Pierre, Namaste The analysis of the charts are poignantly done to include the panch tattwa. Moon naturally, has to be connected with a water sign to make one a singer....or a wanna be if afflicted by malefics. Love, Swee On 2/7/07 2:31 PM, " Poloisel " <Poloisel | om gurave namah | Dear Sundeep, Getting my turn to the topic, Moon in a stronger seventh house than the lagnamsa and Sun in trine to it could indicate more ‘shared emotion’ and less ‘music for music’ (as it is when Sun is in trine to lagnamsa and the Moon sustains). I don’t know which aspect of Bono will remain stronger (his music or his commitment sustained by his music). Also, the Moon in Scorpio is not that much strong, so ultimately the Sun could keep the precedence over some more general fame, hence the musician. I feel what is important in this navamsa is the strong seventh with Moon in it. Then we see the Sun in trine, which can indicate music among other things in fact, but we know Bono is a musician.. This was just a thought. Perhaps, your reading of Sanjayji i.e. ‘which = because’ is the correct one. With warm regards, Pierre Dans un e-mail daté du 07/02/2007 07:54:42 Paris, Madrid, vedicastrostudent a écrit : Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya Dear Pierre, I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But it is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening to the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals to me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate. Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from Sanjayji: " The Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much stronger than the lagna " . Given that the topic he was discussing is how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how else to interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger than the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the 7th, then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 houses? Thanks Sundeep sohamsa , Poloisel wrote: > > > | om gurave namah | > > Sundeep, dear friend, > > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There must be a > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become meaningless. > > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't say ‘ Sun and > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the seventh is stronger > than lagna’. > I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in trine to it. The > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music supports the > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all. > This of course needs confirmation by a guru. > > With warm regards, > Pierre > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, > vedicastrostudent a écrit : > > Dear Swee-ji, > Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank you > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. However, > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the following > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of Navamsa): > 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and Moon > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because the > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. I > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here? > 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least musically > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's earlier > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, not > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna. > > Thanks again, > > Sundeep > > sohamsa , Swee Chan <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > Namaste > > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. > Moon gives > > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji > did a > > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a > while ago. > > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which > should be in > > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It can > also be > > in trines to AK. > > > > Love, > > > > Swee > > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), I > get > > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). > With > > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa ascendant > > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my > Navamsa > > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a > > > musician? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sundeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Dear Bharat-ji, You are too kind. A compliment from a person as learned as yourself is very encouraging.. Thanks, Sundeep sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " <hinduastrology wrote: > > Namaste Sri Sundeep > > The bhavana is more important that typing the mantra. It is not > inappropriate. I have seen enough posts with arrogance and vile remarks with > mantras typed on the top. > > Your learning attitude, openness and questioning speaks volumes about your > personality than typing the mantra. > > Thanks and Regards > Bharat > > > > On 2/7/07, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent wrote: > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > > > > Dear Pierre, > > I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But it > > is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening to > > the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals to > > me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate. > > > > Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from Sanjayji: " The > > Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is much > > stronger than the lagna " . Given that the topic he was discussing is > > how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how else to > > interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger than > > the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the 7th, > > then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always > > looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 houses? > > > > Thanks > > > > Sundeep > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, Poloisel@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah | > > > > > > Sundeep, dear friend, > > > > > > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There > > must be a > > > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become > > meaningless. > > > > > > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't say > > ' Sun and > > > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the seventh > > is stronger > > > than lagna'. > > > I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in trine > > to it. The > > > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music > > supports the > > > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all. > > > This of course needs confirmation by a guru. > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > Pierre > > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, > > > vedicastrostudent@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > Dear Swee-ji, > > > Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank > > you > > > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. > > However, > > > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the > > following > > > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of > > Navamsa): > > > 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and > > Moon > > > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians because > > the > > > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to me. > > I > > > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that should > > > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. Can > > > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here? > > > 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give > > > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least > > musically > > > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's > > earlier > > > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's desire, > > not > > > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in seeing > > > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, Swee Chan > > <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a musician. > > > Moon gives > > > > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay ji > > > did a > > > > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a > > > while ago. > > > > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which > > > should be in > > > > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. It > > can > > > also be > > > > in trines to AK. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > > > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have written), > > I > > > get > > > > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in trines). > > > With > > > > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa > > ascendant > > > > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my > > > Navamsa > > > > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate for a > > > > > musician? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Dear SS, Thanks for the explanations, they sound very much in line with what I want. And yes, I think it is fair to say that I have found some kind of connection with the Gayatri. While meditating one day last year I felt like someone told me that he/she would " give me the Gayatri " . The next day someone on this group posted why it is ok for a non- initiated person to recite the Gayatri. I took that as a cue and started reciting it, but for some reason stopped. Then I went through a rather bad patch last year (August-November) and late December or January I again involuntarily started and it gave me a certain amount of peace. Its been a few weeks now and I continue to listen or recite.. Comments? You can send them to my email unless there is astrological content.. Thanks, Sundeep sohamsa , " Soul Sadhak " <soulsadhak wrote: > > Hi Sundeep, > > Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya - relieves the illusions created in/by > the Mind. > (though the effect cannot be limited to that only) > - stands for the Krishna (Vishnu form) wrt Mo (planet) if we see in > that context. > - also drives energies towards 12H activities - if anyone wishes to > explain more on that. > > above all, as Bharat has said so aptly, Bhavana is more important > - 'connection' as i'm fond of saying. > > so, u find ur connection with Gayatri(wrt Su????) > > God Bless > SS > sohamsa , " Bharat Hindu Astrology " > <hinduastrology@> wrote: > > > > Namaste Sri Sundeep > > > > The bhavana is more important that typing the mantra. It is not > > inappropriate. I have seen enough posts with arrogance and vile > remarks with > > mantras typed on the top. > > > > Your learning attitude, openness and questioning speaks volumes > about your > > personality than typing the mantra. > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Bharat > > > > > > > > On 2/7/07, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@> wrote: > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > > I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. But > it > > > is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly listening > to > > > the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which appeals > to > > > me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate. > > > > > > Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from > Sanjayji: " The > > > Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is > much > > > stronger than the lagna " . Given that the topic he was discussing > is > > > how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how > else to > > > interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger than > > > the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the > 7th, > > > then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always > > > looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 > houses? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > Poloisel@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > | om gurave namah | > > > > > > > > Sundeep, dear friend, > > > > > > > > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. There > > > must be a > > > > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become > > > meaningless. > > > > > > > > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay doesn't > say > > > ' Sun and > > > > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the > seventh > > > is stronger > > > > than lagna'. > > > > I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in > trine > > > to it. The > > > > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music > > > supports the > > > > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all. > > > > This of course needs confirmation by a guru. > > > > > > > > With warm regards, > > > > Pierre > > > > > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid, > > > > vedicastrostudent@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Swee-ji, > > > > Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. Thank > > > you > > > > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study. > > > However, > > > > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the > > > following > > > > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of > > > Navamsa): > > > > 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and > > > Moon > > > > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians > because > > > the > > > > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new to > me. > > > I > > > > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that > should > > > > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. Confusing. > Can > > > > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here? > > > > 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give > > > > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least > > > musically > > > > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's > > > earlier > > > > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's > desire, > > > not > > > > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in > seeing > > > > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not lagna. > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > Swee Chan > > > <sweechan@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sundeep, > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a > musician. > > > > Moon gives > > > > > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. Sanjay > ji > > > > did a > > > > > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the list a > > > > while ago. > > > > > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, which > > > > should be in > > > > > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the lagnamsa. > It > > > can > > > > also be > > > > > in trines to AK. > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, " vedicastrostudent " <vedicastrostudent@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre, > > > > > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have > written), > > > I > > > > get > > > > > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in > trines). > > > > With > > > > > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa > > > ascendant > > > > > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get my > > > > Navamsa > > > > > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate > for a > > > > > > musician? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Shri Brahmadaru Smarami Dear Soul Sadhak, I am Mercury AK too. I know what it means to have one's tongue run ahead of oneself. I believe for Mercury AK, the perfect remedy is to observe Mauna once in a while. Of course I have not done it. It kind of works out by default as I am stuck to my desk for hours...and I like the solitude of working very much. But that's not the answer! Best Regards, Sarbani Sarkar Rath http://sarbani.com Soul Sadhak [soulsadhak] Thursday, February 08, 2007 5:07 PMsohamsa Subject: Re: To Swee, a request Hi SUNdeep,need i say more on the SUN-deeeep-associations u've been recieving cues to from The Universe ;-)....and the 'Universe' GIVES in more ways than we can think of.and being in kali yuga we dont have many sages moving around in physical garb. unless u r very very lucky (metaphorically speaking).ok, i'm not seeking any debate hee, that was my imho imle.The story went around ur Su being 12th from ur AK - the supplementary stuff already being in mutual emails.Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya.GodBlessSSon the risk of sounding dumb, please allow me to ask if u r seeking answer to what's the association b/w Su and Gayatri? say "no" ... pleeeeease....or u'll get a slap from Sanjayji and Sarbaniji --- oops, i need to control my Me-AK :-!sohamsa , "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent wrote:>> Dear SS,> Thanks for the explanations, they sound very much in line with what > I want.> > And yes, I think it is fair to say that I have found some kind of > connection with the Gayatri. While meditating one day last year I > felt like someone told me that he/she would "give me the Gayatri". > The next day someone on this group posted why it is ok for a non-> initiated person to recite the Gayatri. I took that as a cue and > started reciting it, but for some reason stopped. Then I went > through a rather bad patch last year (August-November) and late > December or January I again involuntarily started and it gave me a > certain amount of peace. Its been a few weeks now and I continue to > listen or recite..> > Comments? You can send them to my email unless there is astrological > content..> > Thanks,> > Sundeep> > sohamsa , "Soul Sadhak" <soulsadhak@> wrote:> >> > Hi Sundeep,> > > > Om Namo Bhagwate Vasudevaya - relieves the illusions created in/by > > the Mind.> > (though the effect cannot be limited to that only)> > - stands for the Krishna (Vishnu form) wrt Mo (planet) if we see > in > > that context.> > - also drives energies towards 12H activities - if anyone wishes > to > > explain more on that.> > > > above all, as Bharat has said so aptly, Bhavana is more important> > - 'connection' as i'm fond of saying.> > > > so, u find ur connection with Gayatri(wrt Su????)> > > > God Bless> > SS> > sohamsa , "Bharat Hindu Astrology" > > <hinduastrology@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Sri Sundeep> > > > > > The bhavana is more important that typing the mantra. It is not> > > inappropriate. I have seen enough posts with arrogance and vile > > remarks with> > > mantras typed on the top. > > > > > > Your learning attitude, openness and questioning speaks volumes > > about your> > > personality than typing the mantra.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > Bharat> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/7/07, vedicastrostudent <vedicastrostudent@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya> > > >> > > > Dear Pierre,> > > > I dont use a mantra because I am not sure which one to use. > But > > it> > > > is now in my heart for sure (I have started regularly > listening > > to> > > > the Gayatri). But in any case I have put one above which > appeals > > to> > > > me in some way. Hopefully it is not inappropriate.> > > >> > > > Getting to the topic again, here is what I read from > > Sanjayji: "The> > > > Sun and Moon trine the seventh house in the navamsa, which is > > much> > > > stronger than the lagna". Given that the topic he was > discussing > > is> > > > how musicians' talent shows up in Navamsa, I am not sure how > > else to> > > > interpret it? If you really mean that the 7th being stronger > than> > > > the Lagna isnt the precondition for analyzing trines from the > > 7th,> > > > then I am even more confused. So you mean we must start always> > > > looking at 3, 7, 11 also, in addition to 1,5,9? 6 out of 12 > > houses?> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > >> > > > Sundeep> > > >> > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > Poloisel@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > | om gurave namah |> > > > >> > > > > Sundeep, dear friend,> > > > >> > > > > Please do not forget to start your message with a mantra. > There> > > > must be a> > > > > trace of God in our exchanges or they will quickly become> > > > meaningless.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding John Denver and Bono (U2 correct ?), Sanjay > doesn't > > say> > > > ' Sun and> > > > > Moon in trines to the seventh make a musician because the > > seventh> > > > is stronger> > > > > than lagna'.> > > > > I understand that Moon is in the seventh and the Sun is in > > trine> > > > to it. The> > > > > seventh being stronger than the lagna may indicate that music> > > > supports the> > > > > seventh house matters and doesn't come prior to all.> > > > > This of course needs confirmation by a guru.> > > > >> > > > > With warm regards,> > > > > Pierre> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 06/02/2007 20:06:08 Paris, Madrid,> > > > > vedicastrostudent@ a écrit :> > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Swee-ji,> > > > > Thank you so much for the reference to Sanjay-ji's mail. > Thank> > > > you> > > > > Pierre for resending the mail. Lots of good data to study.> > > > However,> > > > > there are two things that still trouble me a bit (in the> > > > following> > > > > points, I am assuming everyone knows we are talking only of> > > > Navamsa):> > > > > 1) Sanjay-ji says that John Denver and Bono both have Sun and> > > > Moon> > > > > in trines to seventh house and that makes them musicians > > because> > > > the> > > > > seventh house is stronger than lagna. This principle is new > to > > me.> > > > I> > > > > thought seventh house refers to spouse, so trines to that > > should> > > > > govern spouse's inherent nature, not native's own. > Confusing. > > Can> > > > > some one provide some illuminating wisdom here?> > > > > 2) Swee-ji's point that Moon in trines to AK can also give> > > > > musicians. I have Moon in trines to AK, and I am the least> > > > musically> > > > > talented person the world has ever seen :-). Perhaps Visti's> > > > earlier> > > > > point on Navamsa is valid here: Trines to AK show atma's > > desire,> > > > not> > > > > actual manifestation in this life. Would be interested in > > seeing> > > > > some musicians charts with Moon in trines to AK but not > lagna.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks again,> > > > >> > > > > Sundeep> > > > >> > > > > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, > > Swee Chan> > > > <sweechan@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sundeep,> > > > > > Namaste> > > > > >> > > > > > According to Parashara, Sun is the significator for a > > musician.> > > > > Moon gives> > > > > > the romanticism in writing sentimental poetic lyrics. > Sanjay > > ji> > > > > did a> > > > > > fantastic analysis of some musicians on the > list a> > > > > while ago.> > > > > > Perhaps Bipin can forward them. Moon makes the singer, > which> > > > > should be in> > > > > > trines. It does not necessarily have to be on the > lagnamsa. > > It> > > > can> > > > > also be> > > > > > in trines to AK.> > > > > >> > > > > > Love,> > > > > >> > > > > > Swee> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 2/5/07 8:51 PM, "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent@>> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pierre,> > > > > > > With 1:16am time, 1:06:08 East of GMT (as you have > > written),> > > > I> > > > > get> > > > > > > Mercury in Navamsa ascendant (Mercury and Jupiter in > > trines).> > > > > With> > > > > > > same time, 2:00 East of GMT, I get Moon AK in Navamsa> > > > ascendant> > > > > > > (Moon, Sun in trines, among others). Just trying to get > my> > > > > Navamsa> > > > > > > basics clear: isnt Moon in Navamsa asc more appropriate > > for a> > > > > > > musician?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sundeep> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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