Guest guest Posted July 30, 2001 Report Share Posted July 30, 2001 OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA Namaste Lakshmi, As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect neechabanga. There are many astrological rules and concepts scattered in many books. We are all confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we need a Guru to guide us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide us. So, let us follow what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any one of the rule is applied then the planet has neechabanga. Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in Leo,the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in Dharma-karmadhipayoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house. Doesthis make him an exalted dispositor? No. This will be the stretching the rule.Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles thatLagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the MahaDasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I wasborn during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti. I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa system. So, we cannot take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial. In that case almost all the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read the Vimshotari Dasa lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself is calculated based on different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change in those cases. Thanks Solai Kannan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 Om Gurave Namah----Dear Sarajit, As I have always maintained, the first book of Jyotish is the Bhagavat Gita. What did Krishna teach about Gyana Yoga? Is this not one of the paths to God? Then how can we say that the reasoning method does not lead to God.. What you quote are recent thinkers and not Krishna Himself. If this reasoning is carried to infinity, then the only reason for our existence and all these problems and solutions shall be God. Hora Shastra ot the Science of Time is one such method of Gyana Yoga.With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:45 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga Dear Visti!Actually this is very difficult to differentiate between the subtledifference between Intellect, Reasoning, Mind and like...What I meant is, Moksha can't be attained by reasoning or intellect,whereas it could be attained by complete surrender to the almighty anddissolution of the self. When, the self "ego" is dissolved, there is noquestion of "own mind", however, until it happens, mind takes you theverge of getting moksha.Hope I am understood.RegardsSarajitOn Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Visti Larsen wrote:> Dear Sarajit.> Don't you mean that moksha is given by the destruction of manas?> I fail to see this direct affiliation between Manas and Krishna.> > > Best wishes, Visti.> -> Sarajit Poddar> varahamihira > Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:23 AM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga> > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> Dear Laxmi!> > We can't assume much about any chart as all of them have some unique> features in them. If some one of us can share the birth details of> Meerabai, the list can discuss of the same.> > Krishna is infact indicated by Moon. Logic and reasoning can only advance> the devotee to some extent, but the moksha is given only by Manas.> > Pranaam> Sarajit> > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, lakshmi ramesh wrote:> > >> > --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote:> > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> > > JAYA JAGANNATHA> > >> > Om Gurave Namaha> > ----------------> >> > Shri Kannan,> >> > Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I> > perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the> > Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and> > confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow> > your advice.> >> > In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious> > about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so> > far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will> > have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn +> > Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect.> > My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had> > Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led> > to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and> > full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made> > her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu).> >> > Could Venus be situated in the 12th?> >> > Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna,> > represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had> > no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of> > "manas" or Moon ("Chandrama manaso jaathaha"....- Re :> > Purusha sooktam).> >> > Am I way off the mark?> >> > Regards,> > Lakshmi> >> > > Namaste Lakshmi,> > >> > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect> > > neechabanga. There are> > > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in> > > many books. We are all> > > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we> > > need a Guru to guide> > > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide> > > us. So, let us follow> > > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any> > > one of the rule is applied> > > then the planet has neechabanga.> > > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in> > > Leo,> > > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in> > > Dharma-karmadhipa> > > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house.> > > Does> > > this make him an exalted dispositor?> > >> > > No. This will be the stretching the rule.> > >> > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that> > > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha> > > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I> > > was> > > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti.> > > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa> > > system. So, we cannot> > > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial.> > > In that case almost all> > > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read> > > the Vimshotari Dasa> > > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself> > > is calculated based on> > > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change> > > in those cases.> > >> > > Thanks> > > Solai Kannan> > >> >> >> > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger> > http://phonecard./> >> >> > OM TAT SAT> > Archive: varahamihira> > Files: varahamihira> > varahamihira/database> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2001 Report Share Posted August 2, 2001 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Gurudev! I am aware of the yoga paths mentioned in Gita viz. Karma Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, Gyan Yoga and Raj yoga. While Gyan yoga says that the moksha can be attained with reasoning or knowledge about the self and the supreme, there are some limitations to that. The knowledge one attains with reaonsing can't give him the experience or the feeling of the same and unless it happens, the person is not liberated. Hence there comes a stage, where the person is risen above the realm of reasoning to the realm of intuition, where he experiences the truth and get liberated. I shall take some time to substantiate my arguement. Bless me. Your obedient shisya Sarajit On Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Sanjay Rath wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > ---- > Dear Sarajit, > As I have always maintained, the first book of Jyotish is the Bhagavat Gita. > What did Krishna teach about Gyana Yoga? Is this not one of the paths to > God? Then how can we say that the reasoning method does not lead to God.. > What you quote are recent thinkers and not Krishna Himself. If this > reasoning is carried to infinity, then the only reason for our existence and > all these problems and solutions shall be God. Hora Shastra ot the Science > of Time is one such method of Gyana Yoga. > With Best Wishes, > Sanjay Rath > > > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:45 AM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga > > > Dear Visti! > Actually this is very difficult to differentiate between the subtle > difference between Intellect, Reasoning, Mind and like... > > What I meant is, Moksha can't be attained by reasoning or intellect, > whereas it could be attained by complete surrender to the almighty and > dissolution of the self. When, the self " ego " is dissolved, there is no > question of " own mind " , however, until it happens, mind takes you the > verge of getting moksha. > > Hope I am understood. > > Regards > Sarajit > > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Visti Larsen wrote: > > > Dear Sarajit. > > Don't you mean that moksha is given by the destruction of manas? > > I fail to see this direct affiliation between Manas and Krishna. > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > > Sarajit Poddar > > varahamihira > > Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:23 AM > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga > > > > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > > Dear Laxmi! > > > > We can't assume much about any chart as all of them have some unique > > features in them. If some one of us can share the birth details of > > Meerabai, the list can discuss of the same. > > > > Krishna is infact indicated by Moon. Logic and reasoning can only > advance > > the devotee to some extent, but the moksha is given only by Manas. > > > > Pranaam > > Sarajit > > > > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > > > > --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote: > > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > > > > Om Gurave Namaha > > > ---------------- > > > > > > Shri Kannan, > > > > > > Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I > > > perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the > > > Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and > > > confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow > > > your advice. > > > > > > In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious > > > about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so > > > far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will > > > have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn + > > > Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect. > > > My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had > > > Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led > > > to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and > > > full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made > > > her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu). > > > > > > Could Venus be situated in the 12th? > > > > > > Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna, > > > represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had > > > no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of > > > " manas " or Moon ( " Chandrama manaso jaathaha " ....- Re : > > > Purusha sooktam). > > > > > > Am I way off the mark? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > Namaste Lakshmi, > > > > > > > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect > > > > neechabanga. There are > > > > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in > > > > many books. We are all > > > > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we > > > > need a Guru to guide > > > > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide > > > > us. So, let us follow > > > > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any > > > > one of the rule is applied > > > > then the planet has neechabanga. > > > > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in > > > > Leo, > > > > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in > > > > Dharma-karmadhipa > > > > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house. > > > > Does > > > > this make him an exalted dispositor? > > > > > > > > No. This will be the stretching the rule. > > > > > > > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that > > > > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha > > > > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I > > > > was > > > > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti. > > > > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa > > > > system. So, we cannot > > > > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial. > > > > In that case almost all > > > > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read > > > > the Vimshotari Dasa > > > > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself > > > > is calculated based on > > > > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change > > > > in those cases. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Messenger > > > http://phonecard./ > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > Files: varahamihira > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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