Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote: > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > JAYA JAGANNATHA > Om Gurave Namaha ---------------- Shri Kannan, Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow your advice. In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn + Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect. My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu). Could Venus be situated in the 12th? Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna, represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of " manas " or Moon ( " Chandrama manaso jaathaha " ....- Re : Purusha sooktam). Am I way off the mark? Regards, Lakshmi > Namaste Lakshmi, > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect > neechabanga. There are > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in > many books. We are all > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we > need a Guru to guide > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide > us. So, let us follow > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any > one of the rule is applied > then the planet has neechabanga. > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in > Leo, > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in > Dharma-karmadhipa > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house. > Does > this make him an exalted dispositor? > > No. This will be the stretching the rule. > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I > was > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti. > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa > system. So, we cannot > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial. > In that case almost all > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read > the Vimshotari Dasa > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself > is calculated based on > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change > in those cases. > > Thanks > Solai Kannan > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger http://phonecard./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 HARE RAMA KRISHNA Dear Laxmi! We can't assume much about any chart as all of them have some unique features in them. If some one of us can share the birth details of Meerabai, the list can discuss of the same. Krishna is infact indicated by Moon. Logic and reasoning can only advance the devotee to some extent, but the moksha is given only by Manas. Pranaam Sarajit On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote: > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > Om Gurave Namaha > ---------------- > > Shri Kannan, > > Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I > perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the > Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and > confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow > your advice. > > In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious > about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so > far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will > have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn + > Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect. > My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had > Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led > to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and > full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made > her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu). > > Could Venus be situated in the 12th? > > Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna, > represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had > no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of > " manas " or Moon ( " Chandrama manaso jaathaha " ....- Re : > Purusha sooktam). > > Am I way off the mark? > > Regards, > Lakshmi > > > Namaste Lakshmi, > > > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect > > neechabanga. There are > > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in > > many books. We are all > > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we > > need a Guru to guide > > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide > > us. So, let us follow > > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any > > one of the rule is applied > > then the planet has neechabanga. > > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in > > Leo, > > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in > > Dharma-karmadhipa > > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house. > > Does > > this make him an exalted dispositor? > > > > No. This will be the stretching the rule. > > > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that > > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha > > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I > > was > > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti. > > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa > > system. So, we cannot > > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial. > > In that case almost all > > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read > > the Vimshotari Dasa > > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself > > is calculated based on > > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change > > in those cases. > > > > Thanks > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger > http://phonecard./ > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Files: varahamihira > varahamihira/database > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2001 Report Share Posted July 31, 2001 Dear Sarajit. Don't you mean that moksha is given by the destruction of manas? I fail to see this direct affiliation between Manas and Krishna. Best wishes, Visti. - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:23 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga HARE RAMA KRISHNADear Laxmi!We can't assume much about any chart as all of them have some uniquefeatures in them. If some one of us can share the birth details ofMeerabai, the list can discuss of the same.Krishna is infact indicated by Moon. Logic and reasoning can only advancethe devotee to some extent, but the moksha is given only by Manas.PranaamSarajitOn Mon, 30 Jul 2001, lakshmi ramesh wrote:> > --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote:> > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> > JAYA JAGANNATHA> > > Om Gurave Namaha> ----------------> > Shri Kannan,> > Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I> perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the> Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and> confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow> your advice.> > In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious> about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so> far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will> have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn +> Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect.> My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had> Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led> to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and> full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made> her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu). > > Could Venus be situated in the 12th?> > Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna,> represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had> no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of > "manas" or Moon ("Chandrama manaso jaathaha"....- Re :> Purusha sooktam). > > Am I way off the mark? > > Regards,> Lakshmi> > > Namaste Lakshmi,> > > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect> > neechabanga. There are> > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in> > many books. We are all> > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we> > need a Guru to guide> > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide> > us. So, let us follow> > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any> > one of the rule is applied> > then the planet has neechabanga.> > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in> > Leo,> > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in> > Dharma-karmadhipa> > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house.> > Does> > this make him an exalted dispositor?> > > > No. This will be the stretching the rule.> > > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that> > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha> > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I> > was> > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti.> > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa> > system. So, we cannot> > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial.> > In that case almost all> > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read> > the Vimshotari Dasa> > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself> > is calculated based on> > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change> > in those cases.> > > > Thanks> > Solai Kannan> > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger> http://phonecard./> > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Files: varahamihira> varahamihira/database> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Dear Visti! Actually this is very difficult to differentiate between the subtle difference between Intellect, Reasoning, Mind and like... What I meant is, Moksha can't be attained by reasoning or intellect, whereas it could be attained by complete surrender to the almighty and dissolution of the self. When, the self " ego " is dissolved, there is no question of " own mind " , however, until it happens, mind takes you the verge of getting moksha. Hope I am understood. Regards Sarajit On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Visti Larsen wrote: > Dear Sarajit. > Don't you mean that moksha is given by the destruction of manas? > I fail to see this direct affiliation between Manas and Krishna. > > > Best wishes, Visti. > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:23 AM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga > > > HARE RAMA KRISHNA > Dear Laxmi! > > We can't assume much about any chart as all of them have some unique > features in them. If some one of us can share the birth details of > Meerabai, the list can discuss of the same. > > Krishna is infact indicated by Moon. Logic and reasoning can only advance > the devotee to some extent, but the moksha is given only by Manas. > > Pranaam > Sarajit > > > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, lakshmi ramesh wrote: > > > > > --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote: > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA > > > > > Om Gurave Namaha > > ---------------- > > > > Shri Kannan, > > > > Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I > > perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the > > Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and > > confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow > > your advice. > > > > In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious > > about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so > > far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will > > have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn + > > Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect. > > My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had > > Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led > > to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and > > full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made > > her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu). > > > > Could Venus be situated in the 12th? > > > > Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna, > > represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had > > no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of > > " manas " or Moon ( " Chandrama manaso jaathaha " ....- Re : > > Purusha sooktam). > > > > Am I way off the mark? > > > > Regards, > > Lakshmi > > > > > Namaste Lakshmi, > > > > > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect > > > neechabanga. There are > > > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in > > > many books. We are all > > > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we > > > need a Guru to guide > > > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide > > > us. So, let us follow > > > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any > > > one of the rule is applied > > > then the planet has neechabanga. > > > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in > > > Leo, > > > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in > > > Dharma-karmadhipa > > > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house. > > > Does > > > this make him an exalted dispositor? > > > > > > No. This will be the stretching the rule. > > > > > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that > > > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha > > > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I > > > was > > > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti. > > > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa > > > system. So, we cannot > > > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial. > > > In that case almost all > > > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read > > > the Vimshotari Dasa > > > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself > > > is calculated based on > > > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change > > > in those cases. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Solai Kannan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messenger > > http://phonecard./ > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Files: varahamihira > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2001 Report Share Posted August 1, 2001 Om Gurave Namah----Dear Laxmi, None like Meera no doubt, but be a bit more rational in Jyotish. With all those exaltations you suggest..the suffering is hard to explain. In any case we need to see the chart...Any body.With Best Wishes,Sanjay Rath - lakshmi ramesh varahamihira Tuesday, July 31, 2001 10:26 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote:> OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> JAYA JAGANNATHA> Om Gurave Namaha----------------Shri Kannan,Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. Iperfectly agree with your observation that Guru is theLight who dispels the darkness of ignorance andconfusion and shows us the right path. I will followyour advice.In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curiousabout Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one sofar. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart willhave exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn +Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect.My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai hadHighest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which ledto wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal andfull of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately madeher a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu). Could Venus be situated in the 12th?Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna,represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind hadno part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of "manas" or Moon ("Chandrama manaso jaathaha"....- Re :Purusha sooktam). Am I way off the mark? Regards,Lakshmi> Namaste Lakshmi,> > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect> neechabanga. There are> many astrological rules and concepts scattered in> many books. We are all> confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we> need a Guru to guide> us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide> us. So, let us follow> what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any> one of the rule is applied> then the planet has neechabanga.> Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in> Leo,> the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in> Dharma-karmadhipa> yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house.> Does> this make him an exalted dispositor?> > No. This will be the stretching the rule.> > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that> Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha> Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I> was> born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti.> I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa> system. So, we cannot> take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial.> In that case almost all> the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read> the Vimshotari Dasa> lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself> is calculated based on> different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change> in those cases.> > Thanks> Solai Kannan> Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Messengerhttp://phonecard./OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2001 Report Share Posted August 4, 2001 Namaste all, Gyan yog is also the method of discrimination...the ability to tell " this and not this" is HIM. The ability to discern the finest relative from the Transcendent is this ability of discrimination. Hence, when practiced correctly this will lead to HIM. Sarajit Poddar [sarajitp] Thursday, August 02, 2001 12:17 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] NeechabangaHARE RAMA KRISHNADear Gurudev!I am aware of the yoga paths mentioned in Gita viz. Karma Yoga, BhaktiYoga, Gyan Yoga and Raj yoga.While Gyan yoga says that the moksha can be attained with reasoning orknowledge about the self and the supreme, there are some limitations tothat. The knowledge one attains with reaonsing can't give him theexperience or the feeling of the same and unless it happens, the person isnot liberated.Hence there comes a stage, where the person is risen above the realm ofreasoning to the realm of intuition, where he experiences the truth andget liberated.I shall take some time to substantiate my arguement.Bless me.Your obedient shisyaSarajitOn Thu, 2 Aug 2001, Sanjay Rath wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> ----> Dear Sarajit,> As I have always maintained, the first book of Jyotish is the Bhagavat Gita.> What did Krishna teach about Gyana Yoga? Is this not one of the paths to> God? Then how can we say that the reasoning method does not lead to God..> What you quote are recent thinkers and not Krishna Himself. If this> reasoning is carried to infinity, then the only reason for our existence and> all these problems and solutions shall be God. Hora Shastra ot the Science> of Time is one such method of Gyana Yoga.> With Best Wishes,> Sanjay Rath> > > -> Sarajit Poddar> varahamihira > Wednesday, August 01, 2001 9:45 AM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga> > > Dear Visti!> Actually this is very difficult to differentiate between the subtle> difference between Intellect, Reasoning, Mind and like...> > What I meant is, Moksha can't be attained by reasoning or intellect,> whereas it could be attained by complete surrender to the almighty and> dissolution of the self. When, the self "ego" is dissolved, there is no> question of "own mind", however, until it happens, mind takes you the> verge of getting moksha.> > Hope I am understood.> > Regards> Sarajit> > > > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Visti Larsen wrote:> > > Dear Sarajit.> > Don't you mean that moksha is given by the destruction of manas?> > I fail to see this direct affiliation between Manas and Krishna.> >> >> > Best wishes, Visti.> > -> > Sarajit Poddar> > varahamihira > > Tuesday, July 31, 2001 7:23 AM> > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Neechabanga> >> >> > HARE RAMA KRISHNA> > Dear Laxmi!> >> > We can't assume much about any chart as all of them have some unique> > features in them. If some one of us can share the birth details of> > Meerabai, the list can discuss of the same.> >> > Krishna is infact indicated by Moon. Logic and reasoning can only> advance> > the devotee to some extent, but the moksha is given only by Manas.> >> > Pranaam> > Sarajit> >> >> > On Mon, 30 Jul 2001, lakshmi ramesh wrote:> >> > >> > > --- Solai Kannan <solai wrote:> > > > OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH> > > > JAYA JAGANNATHA> > > >> > > Om Gurave Namaha> > > ----------------> > >> > > Shri Kannan,> > >> > > Namaste. Thanks for your comments re: neechabhanga. I> > > perfectly agree with your observation that Guru is the> > > Light who dispels the darkness of ignorance and> > > confusion and shows us the right path. I will follow> > > your advice.> > >> > > In the meanwhile, I have another doubt. I am curious> > > about Meerabai's chart. I have not come across one so> > > far. But I presume that the Singer-saint's chart will> > > have exalted venus + exalted Jupiter + Moon + Saturn +> > > Ketu combination, either by conjunction or by aspect.> > > My conjucture is based on the fact that Meera Bai had> > > Highest love (Venus) for the Supreme Being, which led> > > to wisdom (Jupiter) that made her songs immortal and> > > full of such emotional appeal (Moon); ultimately made> > > her a renunciate (Saturn) and gave her moksha (Ketu).> > >> > > Could Venus be situated in the 12th?> > >> > > Though she's the devotee of Bhagawan Krishna,> > > represented by Mercury, I feel that logic / mind had> > > no part in her ascension to moksha. It's more of> > > "manas" or Moon ("Chandrama manaso jaathaha"....- Re :> > > Purusha sooktam).> > >> > > Am I way off the mark?> > >> > > Regards,> > > Lakshmi> > >> > > > Namaste Lakshmi,> > > >> > > > As per Gurudeva's teaching, your Venus has perfect> > > > neechabanga. There are> > > > many astrological rules and concepts scattered in> > > > many books. We are all> > > > confused to choose the correct ones. That is why we> > > > need a Guru to guide> > > > us. Here, fortunately we have our Gurudeva to guide> > > > us. So, let us follow> > > > what he has given in the Neechabanga file. If any> > > > one of the rule is applied> > > > then the planet has neechabanga.> > > > Mercury (combust?), Lord of the 10th house is in> > > > Leo,> > > > the 9th with 9th lord Sun & Rahu in> > > > Dharma-karmadhipa> > > > yoga.In Navamsa, he's in virgo, his own house.> > > > Does> > > > this make him an exalted dispositor?> > > >> > > > No. This will be the stretching the rule.> > > >> > > > Also, I read in one of Sanjayji's articles that> > > > Lagnesh is never bad. Can it be extended to the Maha> > > > Dasa and Antardasa lords at the time of birth ? I> > > > was> > > > born during Sukra Mahadasa - Guru Bhukti.> > > > I do not think so. Because, we have so many dasa> > > > system. So, we cannot> > > > take, dasa lord in each dasa system as beneficial.> > > > In that case almost all> > > > the planet will come under that. Plus, if you read> > > > the Vimshotari Dasa> > > > lesson, you will come to know that Vimshotari itself> > > > is calculated based on> > > > different nakshatras. So, the dasa lords will change> > > > in those cases.> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Solai Kannan> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Messenger> > > http://phonecard./> > >> > >> > > OM TAT SAT> > > Archive: varahamihira> > > Files: varahamihira> > > varahamihira/database> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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