Guest guest Posted September 7, 2001 Report Share Posted September 7, 2001 >varahamihira >varahamihira >varahamihira >[Hare Rama Krishna] Digest Number 529 >7 Sep 2001 11:38:32 -0000 > > >OM TAT SAT >Archive: varahamihira >Files: varahamihira >varahamihira/database > >------ > >There are 10 messages in this issue. > >Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: Ayanamasa > " Alex J " <lostinmotion > 2. Re: Weekly/monthly prediction > " Gauranga Das " <gauranga > 3. Ayanamasa > " Superdeep " <superdeep > 4. Re: Ayanamasa > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001 > 5. Re: Ayanamasa > " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajitp > 6. Re: Ayanamasa > " Sanjay Rath " <srath > 7. Re: [vedic astrology] Basic Questions > " Sanjay Rath " <srath > 8. Re: Weekly/monthly prediction > " Sanjay Rath " <srath > 9. Re: Ayanamasa > " Sanjay Rath " <srath > 10. Dasamsa of blessed births > lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 1 > Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:17:24 -0000 > " Alex J " <lostinmotion >Re: Ayanamasa > >Om Gurave Namah, > >Dear Sanjay, > >I was told by a Western astrologer that there is no reference to >ayanamsa in any of the Jyotish texts, or holy books of India, and >that it is a recent discovery. I find this very hard to believe. > >Is there any scriptural references to the ayanamsa? My understanding >is that the nakshatras are taken as referring to the unchanging star >constellation positions. > >Is there any reference in the scriptures to the permanent alignment >of the Zodiac against these unmoving nakshatras? > >best of luck, > >Alex J > > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 2 > Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:52:05 +0200 > " Gauranga Das " <gauranga >Re: Weekly/monthly prediction > >JAYA JAGANNATHA! > >Dear Anton, > >Namaste. > > > Pranam, dear gurus and students, > > > > We would like to publish monthly or weekly forecast in our >Russian-language > > magazine " Vedic Astrology " . It should be somewhat individualized for 12 >groups > > of people. > >Well, I myself make monthly predictions on a Hungarian website, but it's >based on the New Moon chart of hte month, so it's not individualised, just >a mundane chart for the country. However this is what I take to be >reasonable, as an individualised chart will not be exact anywas, as onyl >the Lagna or Moon sign is not enough to take into consideration, whatever >technique you use (Rasi transits or Sarvatobhadra cakra etc.) > > > 1. What is the best way to individualize such predictions: by >Jamna-rashi > > or by Lagna-rashi? > >The general people won't knwo either of their Moon or Lagna positions, so >what is the use, Average people know only their tropical sun signs. Of >course you masy give dates fro sidereal Sun signs, but still a transit >chart can't be read properly on the basis of the natal sun sign. > > > 2. How should predictions be done? For instance, it can be Gochara >of all > > grahas relative to Jamna-rashi (like exapmle at the end of message); it >can be > > consideration of functional grahas (Sthira Karakas) relative to Lagna. > >f the two the first is more reasonable, as Sthira Karakas are only for >longevity. But then again you should notice that a Tajaka monthly chart is >more exact than a general transit assessment, but that is again individual >and can't be done in a newspaper. > > > 3. Which books can be learned for such type of predictions? > >I don't even know of any seroius books on Gochara. Maybe is some list >members know such books, they could mention it also for my benefit. > > > 4. Maybe there are trustworthy forecasts in magazines and at >internet > > sites? > >Try astroweek.com > >Yours, > >Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 3 > Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:50:25 +0530 > " Superdeep " <superdeep >Ayanamasa > >Respected Sanjayji, and others, > >I remember my father telling me: > " If ever you have a problem to which there is no apparent solution, >express it in detail to someone else - even someone who doesn't know a >thing about the topic, and chances are you'll find the solution yourself ! " > >Well, it has worked for me ! I have found the answer to the Ayanamasa >puzzle which had been vexing me for so long. The solution is perfectly >logical and convincing - Although somewhat DISTURBING. > >However, I am not giving the details on this forum as it seems very few >list members are interested in this topic, so I would not like to bore them >with technicalities. > >Nevertheless, anyone genuinely interested can contact me >directly at superdeep > >My heartfelt gratitude to respected Sanjayji, Gaurangji and Shirajitji for >their help and support. > >OM GURUVE NAMAH ! > >Deepak Nair. > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 4 > Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:59:14 +0700 > " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001 >Re: Ayanamasa > >Dear Alex, > >I am afraid that I do not have enough knowledge on the subject to be able >to >answer. > >Regards >Sanjay >- > " Alex J " <lostinmotion ><varahamihira > >Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:17 PM >Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamasa > > >Om Gurave Namah, > >Dear Sanjay, > >I was told by a Western astrologer that there is no reference to >ayanamsa in any of the Jyotish texts, or holy books of India, and >that it is a recent discovery. I find this very hard to believe. > >Is there any scriptural references to the ayanamsa? My understanding >is that the nakshatras are taken as referring to the unchanging star >constellation positions. > >Is there any reference in the scriptures to the permanent alignment >of the Zodiac against these unmoving nakshatras? > >best of luck, > >Alex J > > > > > > >_______ > >Get your free @ address at > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 5 > Fri, 07 Sep 2001 04:11:23 -0000 > " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajitp >Re: Ayanamasa > > >AUM GURAVA NAMAH >Hello Deepak! > >You said rightly that, if you deliberate your problems to others, >chances are there that you get it on your own. You might or might not >get any cues or answers from others, however, it helps. > >I don't think others will not be interested in knowing your discovery. >I think others don't answer not because they are not intersted, but >bacause they might be busy !!! > >I would surely like to know your discoveries. There is no question of >getting bored, as this is a learning forum, where we learn out of the >group experiences. > >Regards >Sarajit > > > >varahamihira, " Superdeep " <superdeep@g...> wrote: > > Respected Sanjayji, and others, > > > > I remember my father telling me: > > " If ever you have a problem to which there is no apparent >solution, express it in detail to someone else - even someone who >doesn't know a thing about the topic, and chances are you'll find the >solution yourself ! " > > > > Well, it has worked for me ! I have found the answer to the >Ayanamasa puzzle which had been vexing me for so long. The solution is >perfectly logical and convincing - Although somewhat DISTURBING. > > > > However, I am not giving the details on this forum as it seems very >few list members are interested in this topic, so I would not like to >bore them with technicalities. > > > > Nevertheless, anyone genuinely interested can contact me > > directly at superdeep@g... > > > > My heartfelt gratitude to respected Sanjayji, Gaurangji and >Shirajitji for their help and support. > > > > OM GURUVE NAMAH ! > > > > Deepak Nair. > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 6 > Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:43:57 +0530 > " Sanjay Rath " <srath >Re: Ayanamasa > > >Om Gurave Namah >-------------------------- >Dear Deepak, >And what did you find? Have you compared the longitudes of Lahiri with >Raphael? It is wrong to draw such assumptions about others just because >they >have not commented. >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath >- >Superdeep <superdeep >Varahamihira <varahamihira > >Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:50 PM >[Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamasa > > >Respected Sanjayji, and others, > >I remember my father telling me: > " If ever you have a problem to which there is no apparent solution, >express it in detail to someone else - even someone who doesn't know a >thing >about the topic, and chances are you'll find the solution yourself ! " > >Well, it has worked for me ! I have found the answer to the Ayanamasa >puzzle >which had been vexing me for so long. The solution is perfectly logical and >convincing - Although somewhat DISTURBING. > >However, I am not giving the details on this forum as it seems very few >list >members are interested in this topic, so I would not like to bore them with >technicalities. > >Nevertheless, anyone genuinely interested can contact me >directly at superdeep > >My heartfelt gratitude to respected Sanjayji, Gaurangji and Shirajitji for >their help and support. > >OM GURUVE NAMAH ! > >Deepak Nair. > > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 7 > Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:13:12 +0530 > " Sanjay Rath " <srath >Re: [vedic astrology] Basic Questions > > >Om Gurave Namah >-------------------------- >Dear Murali, >Gauranga has given you the spiritual answer as provided in the standard >texts. I will add the comments from the viewpoint of Jyotish.. >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath >- ><m_muraly ><vedic astrology > >Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:58 PM >[vedic astrology] Basic Questions > > > > Om Krishna Guru!!! > > > > Namaste to all SJVC gurus, > > I am delighted to see Pt. Sanjay Rath is back in this column and > > helping out lost souls. There are certain questions always boiling me > > from inside and I would appreciate if all you gurus can shed some > > light on these. > > Also I am including my birth details because I am sincere in knowing > > answers to these questions which SJVC gurus might verify from my > > birth chart. > > DOB - May 8, 1968 > > TOB - 21:37 hrs ( 9:37 PM - IST) > > POB - LAT 10 deg N 58min / LONG 79 deg E 23min > > > > Here are the questions: > > > > 1> Why does the Brahman ( the Absoulute) want to play games with > > individual souls? >RATH: GAMES IS A POOR TRANSLATION OF THE TERM LEELA. LOOK AT A SIMPLE >CONCEPT OF UNITY OF GODHEAD. WE ALL KNOW THAT NARAYANA IS THE PENULTIMATE >UNDIVIDED FORM OF GOD, YET WE LIKE TO CALL HIM BY DIFFERENT NAMES. WHY DOES >THIS HAPPEN, OR WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED? THIS DIFFERENTIATION IS CAUSED BY >RAJAS AND NOT SATWA GUNA. JUPITER INDICATES SATWA GUNA AND THE >UNDIFFERENTIATED FORM (IF ANY) OF THE LORD WHEREAS MERCURY OF RAJAS GUNA >INDICATES THE DIFFERENTIATED FORM AND LEADS TO THE WORSHIP OF THE VARIOUS >AVATAR'S OF BHAGAVAN. >BRAHMA HIMSELF IS CREATED AND IT IS THE PREDOMINANT NATURE OF HIS RAJAS >GUNA THAT CAUSES HIM TO DIVIDE HIMSELF AND CAUSE THIS CREATION TO SEEM SO >DIFFERENT. LOOK AT MAN AND SAY A DOG, THEY ARE SEEMINGLY SO DIFFERENT >BECAUSE OF THE RAJAS GUNA THAT CAUSED THEIR CREATION INTO DIFFERENT FORMS, >YET WE KNOW THAT DEEP INSIDE RESIDES A SPARK OF LIFE IN THEM CALLED THE >ATMA THAT IS VERY SIMILAR. >THUS, BRAHMA IS NOT PLAYING GAMES, HE IS ONLY DOING WHAT IS HIS PREDOMINANT >NATURE TO DO I.E. DIVIDE HIMSELF INTO VARIOUS PARTS AND FORMS AND FINALLY >LIKE ALL OTHER PARTS OF CREATION, HE TOO SHALL BE DISSOLVED. THUS THE MORAL >OF THE STORY IS RAJAS GUNA WHICH LEADS TO WEALTH AND PROSPERITY AND CREATES >SO MANY THINGS AND BEINGS SHALL ONE DAY END. THIS END IS DIFFERENT FOR >DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATIONS..MEN 120 YEARS MAX, ELEPHANTS 360 YEARS AND SO >ON. > > > 2> Why is Maya created? How can I understand Maya? > >LIKA ALL OTHER PARTS OF BRAHMA IN HIS DIFFERENTIATED FORM, MAYA IS ALSO >CREATED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ATMAS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUANITY TO CLEANSE >THEMSELVES BY REALISING THE HIGHER TRUTH. THAT IS WHY MAYA IS CALLED THE >DIVINE MOTHER AND IT IS AT HER BEHEST THAT THE " GATI " OF ALL BEINGS IS >DETERMINED. SANKARA SAYS 'GATISTWAM GATI STWAM TWAM EKA BHAVANI " . IT IS >THIS GATI THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE REALISATION PROCESS. WITHOUT PROPER >GATI NONE OF THE DIFFERENTIATED ATMA'S (SPARKS THAT HAVE BEEN SEPARATED >FROM THE PARAMATMA DUE TO THEIR AQUIRING MORE OF RAJAS OR TAMAS GUNA) WILL >EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE SELF REALISATION OR PERCEIVE THE IMPERCEPTIBLE TRUTH. >THUS, MAYA IS THE GREAT MOTHER MAHAMAYI. > >IN JYOTISH, WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND MAYA THROUGH THE ARUDHA PADA. AS AN >EXAMPLE LET US TAKE THE LAGNA PADA. HERE, MAYA CAN BE A DEMON WHEN IT COMES >TO THE FALSE SENCE OF PERPETUAL LIFE THAT WE ALL HAVE. INSPITE OF KNOWING >FULLY WELL THAT WE SHALL ALL DIE ONE DAY, WE CONTINUE IN THE DEEP INNER >FAITH THAT SOMEHOW WE SHALL BE THE 'CHOSEN LUCKY' ONES TO LIVE FOREVER. >THIS FALSE SENCE IS LIKE THE DEMON OF UNTRUTH OR ASAT AND IS REPRESENTED BY >THE ARUDHA LAGNA. THIS MAKES US FEEL BIG AND MIGHTYI.E. THE GREATER THE >MAYA OF THE ARUDHA THE MORE THE MIGHTY FEELING. THUS, WHEN THE LAGNA >(SATYA) ARRIVES IN THE ARUDHA LAGNA (OR ITS TRINES OR 7TH HOUSE OR THE SIGN >OCCUPIED BY ITS LORD), THIS SENCE OF UNTRUTH IS DESTROYED AND DEATH OCCURS >[RATH'S RULE SEE CRUX OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY]. > >THUS THE EXISTENCE OF THE ATMA IN BODIES AND IN THIS MAYA IS NECESSARY FOR >THE SELF REALISATION AND FOR THE LEARNING AND CLEANSING PROCESS. > > > 3> Why hasn't the great seers and Rishis never tried to stop Maya? >RATH: WHY SHOULD THEY? THE MAHARISHI'S UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS AND ARE IN >PERFECT HARMONY WITH ALL THESE ACTS OF GOD KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT MAYA (IN >THE SENCE OF WORLDLY ENJOYMENTS- A VERY RESTRICTED CONCEPT AS USED IN YOUR >QUESTION) IS THERE TO HELP THE ATMA DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD AND >THIS DIFFERENTIATION IS ALSO BORNE OUT OF THE ESSENTIAL INNER NATURE OF THE >PREVAILING GUNA OF RAJAS WITHIN THE ATMA THAT HAS CAUSED ITS >DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE PARAMATMA. IF THE ONENESS WITH GOD IS COMPLETE, >THEN MOKSHA IS IMMINENT. > > > 4> If one gets Moksha does that mean he gets Moksha only for this > > Kalpa or only during the lifetime of this Brahma or for eternity? >RATH: THERE ARE VARIOUS TYPES OF MOKSHA. EVEN BRAHMA IS CREATED FROM THE >BODY OF NARAYANA AND HAS EVOLVED FROM THE RAJAS THAT PREVAILED FOR HIS >CREATION. SO, BRAHMA GETS MOKSHA ONCE IN 100 BRAHMA YEARS AND ANOTHER >BRAHMA IS CREATED AFTER THE NIGHT IS OVER FROM THE CYCLE OF TIME THAT >CAUSES THE RAJAS TO PREVAIL TOWARDS THE END OF THE (BRAHMA PERIOD'S) NIGHT. > > > 5> Repeating GOD's name always works. There is a mystical power to > > the sound of God's name. Where can I get the knowledge of this > > mystical power in God's name? Where is that science and why does it > > work? >RATH: WHAT YOU SPEAK OF IS MANTRA SHASTRA. READ THIS CHAPTER VERY CAREFLLY >FROM MY BOOK VEDIC REMEDIES IN ASTROLOGY. MAKE YOUR NOTES. I WILL BE GIVING >OUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF ACHYUTA DASA VERY SOON MAYBE IN A MONTH OR TWO ON >THIS. MANTRA SHASTRA IS THE SCIENCE. READ ABOUT EACH PHONEME, I WILL GIVE >THE ORDER OF CREATION OF THE SYLLABLES AND THE SYLLABLES WITH LIFE ETC >LATER. > > > I will come back with more questions if I get answers from SJVC gurus. > > > > Thanks a million! > > > > Murali > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 8 > Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:20:17 +0530 > " Sanjay Rath " <srath >Re: Weekly/monthly prediction > > >Om Gurave Namah >-------------------------- >Dear Gauranga, >Draw the chart for the sankranti (solar ingress into the Sun sign) and make >your predictions accordingly. USE VEDIC sun signs by giving the dates of >sankranti for each sign. Thus, we shall have 12 groups of people. Draw the >chart for the Sunrise of each day and give daily predictions. Recite hare >Rama Krishna and He will guide you through the rest of the process. Please >do not use the sun signs as given in the tropical chart as this will >mislead >many others. People can easily find their natal Moon signs and give a >reference ot the web sites available for this. If possible, we can have an >on-line program that can give the natal moon sign for the birth details >being fed in. With the dawn of the computer age, we should help others to >also know the truth about themselves... after all then only will Bhagavan >help us. >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath >- >Gauranga Das <gauranga ><varahamihira > >Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:22 PM >Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Weekly/monthly prediction > > >JAYA JAGANNATHA! > >Dear Anton, > >Namaste. > > > Pranam, dear gurus and students, > > > > We would like to publish monthly or weekly forecast in our >Russian-language > > magazine " Vedic Astrology " . It should be somewhat individualized for 12 >groups > > of people. > >Well, I myself make monthly predictions on a Hungarian website, but it's >based on the New Moon chart of hte month, so it's not individualised, just >a >mundane chart for the country. However this is what I take to be >reasonable, >as an individualised chart will not be exact anywas, as onyl the Lagna or >Moon sign is not enough to take into consideration, whatever technique you >use (Rasi transits or Sarvatobhadra cakra etc.) > > > 1. What is the best way to individualize such predictions: by >Jamna-rashi > > or by Lagna-rashi? > >The general people won't knwo either of their Moon or Lagna positions, so >what is the use, Average people know only their tropical sun signs. Of >course you masy give dates fro sidereal Sun signs, but still a transit >chart >can't be read properly on the basis of the natal sun sign. > > > 2. How should predictions be done? For instance, it can be Gochara >of >all > > grahas relative to Jamna-rashi (like exapmle at the end of message); it >can be > > consideration of functional grahas (Sthira Karakas) relative to Lagna. > >f the two the first is more reasonable, as Sthira Karakas are only for >longevity. But then again you should notice that a Tajaka monthly chart is >more exact than a general transit assessment, but that is again individual >and can't be done in a newspaper. > > > 3. Which books can be learned for such type of predictions? > >I don't even know of any seroius books on Gochara. Maybe is some list >members know such books, they could mention it also for my benefit. > > > 4. Maybe there are trustworthy forecasts in magazines and at >internet > > sites? > >Try astroweek.com > >Yours, > >Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer > <gauranga > Phone: +36-309-140-839 > Jyotish Remedies: > WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET > > > >______________________ >______________________ > >Message: 9 > Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:24:10 +0530 > " Sanjay Rath " <srath >Re: Ayanamasa > > >Om Gurave Namah >-------------------------- >Dear Alex, >Ask your friend to read the Vishnu Purana and Bhagavatam very carefully to >understand the difference between Narayana & Surya. >Best Wishes >Sanjay Rath >- >Alex J <lostinmotion ><varahamihira > >Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:47 PM >Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamasa > > > > Om Gurave Namah, > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > I was told by a Western astrologer that there is no reference to > > ayanamsa in any of the Jyotish texts, or holy books of India, and > > that it is a recent discovery. I find this very hard to believe. > > > > Is there any scriptural references to the ayanamsa? My understanding > > is that the nakshatras are taken as referring to the unchanging star > > constellation positions. > > > > Is there any reference in the scriptures to the permanent alignment > > of the Zodiac against these unmoving nakshatras? > > > > best of luck, > > > > Alex J > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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