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>[Hare Rama Krishna] Digest Number 529

>7 Sep 2001 11:38:32 -0000

>

>

>OM TAT SAT

>Archive: varahamihira

>Files: varahamihira

>varahamihira/database

>

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>

>There are 10 messages in this issue.

>

>Topics in this digest:

>

> 1. Re: Ayanamasa

> " Alex J " <lostinmotion

> 2. Re: Weekly/monthly prediction

> " Gauranga Das " <gauranga

> 3. Ayanamasa

> " Superdeep " <superdeep

> 4. Re: Ayanamasa

> " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001

> 5. Re: Ayanamasa

> " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajitp

> 6. Re: Ayanamasa

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

> 7. Re: [vedic astrology] Basic Questions

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

> 8. Re: Weekly/monthly prediction

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

> 9. Re: Ayanamasa

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

> 10. Dasamsa of blessed births

> lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 1

> Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:17:24 -0000

> " Alex J " <lostinmotion

>Re: Ayanamasa

>

>Om Gurave Namah,

>

>Dear Sanjay,

>

>I was told by a Western astrologer that there is no reference to

>ayanamsa in any of the Jyotish texts, or holy books of India, and

>that it is a recent discovery. I find this very hard to believe.

>

>Is there any scriptural references to the ayanamsa? My understanding

>is that the nakshatras are taken as referring to the unchanging star

>constellation positions.

>

>Is there any reference in the scriptures to the permanent alignment

>of the Zodiac against these unmoving nakshatras?

>

>best of luck,

>

>Alex J

>

>

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 2

> Thu, 6 Sep 2001 13:52:05 +0200

> " Gauranga Das " <gauranga

>Re: Weekly/monthly prediction

>

>JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

>Dear Anton,

>

>Namaste.

>

> > Pranam, dear gurus and students,

> >

> > We would like to publish monthly or weekly forecast in our

>Russian-language

> > magazine " Vedic Astrology " . It should be somewhat individualized for 12

>groups

> > of people.

>

>Well, I myself make monthly predictions on a Hungarian website, but it's

>based on the New Moon chart of hte month, so it's not individualised, just

>a mundane chart for the country. However this is what I take to be

>reasonable, as an individualised chart will not be exact anywas, as onyl

>the Lagna or Moon sign is not enough to take into consideration, whatever

>technique you use (Rasi transits or Sarvatobhadra cakra etc.)

>

> > 1. What is the best way to individualize such predictions: by

>Jamna-rashi

> > or by Lagna-rashi?

>

>The general people won't knwo either of their Moon or Lagna positions, so

>what is the use, Average people know only their tropical sun signs. Of

>course you masy give dates fro sidereal Sun signs, but still a transit

>chart can't be read properly on the basis of the natal sun sign.

>

> > 2. How should predictions be done? For instance, it can be Gochara

>of all

> > grahas relative to Jamna-rashi (like exapmle at the end of message); it

>can be

> > consideration of functional grahas (Sthira Karakas) relative to Lagna.

>

>f the two the first is more reasonable, as Sthira Karakas are only for

>longevity. But then again you should notice that a Tajaka monthly chart is

>more exact than a general transit assessment, but that is again individual

>and can't be done in a newspaper.

>

> > 3. Which books can be learned for such type of predictions?

>

>I don't even know of any seroius books on Gochara. Maybe is some list

>members know such books, they could mention it also for my benefit.

>

> > 4. Maybe there are trustworthy forecasts in magazines and at

>internet

> > sites?

>

>Try astroweek.com

>

>Yours,

>

>Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> <gauranga

> Phone: +36-309-140-839

> Jyotish Remedies:

> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

>

>

>

>

>

>[This message contained attachments]

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 3

> Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:50:25 +0530

> " Superdeep " <superdeep

>Ayanamasa

>

>Respected Sanjayji, and others,

>

>I remember my father telling me:

> " If ever you have a problem to which there is no apparent solution,

>express it in detail to someone else - even someone who doesn't know a

>thing about the topic, and chances are you'll find the solution yourself ! "

>

>Well, it has worked for me ! I have found the answer to the Ayanamasa

>puzzle which had been vexing me for so long. The solution is perfectly

>logical and convincing - Although somewhat DISTURBING.

>

>However, I am not giving the details on this forum as it seems very few

>list members are interested in this topic, so I would not like to bore them

>with technicalities.

>

>Nevertheless, anyone genuinely interested can contact me

>directly at superdeep

>

>My heartfelt gratitude to respected Sanjayji, Gaurangji and Shirajitji for

>their help and support.

>

>OM GURUVE NAMAH !

>

>Deepak Nair.

>

>

>[This message contained attachments]

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 4

> Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:59:14 +0700

> " Sanjay Jaggia " <sanjaygg2001

>Re: Ayanamasa

>

>Dear Alex,

>

>I am afraid that I do not have enough knowledge on the subject to be able

>to

>answer.

>

>Regards

>Sanjay

>-

> " Alex J " <lostinmotion

><varahamihira >

>Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:17 PM

>Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamasa

>

>

>Om Gurave Namah,

>

>Dear Sanjay,

>

>I was told by a Western astrologer that there is no reference to

>ayanamsa in any of the Jyotish texts, or holy books of India, and

>that it is a recent discovery. I find this very hard to believe.

>

>Is there any scriptural references to the ayanamsa? My understanding

>is that the nakshatras are taken as referring to the unchanging star

>constellation positions.

>

>Is there any reference in the scriptures to the permanent alignment

>of the Zodiac against these unmoving nakshatras?

>

>best of luck,

>

>Alex J

>

>

>

>

>

>

>_______

>

>Get your free @ address at

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 5

> Fri, 07 Sep 2001 04:11:23 -0000

> " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajitp

>Re: Ayanamasa

>

>

>AUM GURAVA NAMAH

>Hello Deepak!

>

>You said rightly that, if you deliberate your problems to others,

>chances are there that you get it on your own. You might or might not

>get any cues or answers from others, however, it helps.

>

>I don't think others will not be interested in knowing your discovery.

>I think others don't answer not because they are not intersted, but

>bacause they might be busy !!!

>

>I would surely like to know your discoveries. There is no question of

>getting bored, as this is a learning forum, where we learn out of the

>group experiences.

>

>Regards

>Sarajit

>

>

>

>varahamihira, " Superdeep " <superdeep@g...> wrote:

> > Respected Sanjayji, and others,

> >

> > I remember my father telling me:

> > " If ever you have a problem to which there is no apparent

>solution, express it in detail to someone else - even someone who

>doesn't know a thing about the topic, and chances are you'll find the

>solution yourself ! "

> >

> > Well, it has worked for me ! I have found the answer to the

>Ayanamasa puzzle which had been vexing me for so long. The solution is

>perfectly logical and convincing - Although somewhat DISTURBING.

> >

> > However, I am not giving the details on this forum as it seems very

>few list members are interested in this topic, so I would not like to

>bore them with technicalities.

> >

> > Nevertheless, anyone genuinely interested can contact me

> > directly at superdeep@g...

> >

> > My heartfelt gratitude to respected Sanjayji, Gaurangji and

>Shirajitji for their help and support.

> >

> > OM GURUVE NAMAH !

> >

> > Deepak Nair.

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 6

> Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:43:57 +0530

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

>Re: Ayanamasa

>

>

>Om Gurave Namah

>--------------------------

>Dear Deepak,

>And what did you find? Have you compared the longitudes of Lahiri with

>Raphael? It is wrong to draw such assumptions about others just because

>they

>have not commented.

>Best Wishes

>Sanjay Rath

>-

>Superdeep <superdeep

>Varahamihira <varahamihira >

>Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:50 PM

>[Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamasa

>

>

>Respected Sanjayji, and others,

>

>I remember my father telling me:

> " If ever you have a problem to which there is no apparent solution,

>express it in detail to someone else - even someone who doesn't know a

>thing

>about the topic, and chances are you'll find the solution yourself ! "

>

>Well, it has worked for me ! I have found the answer to the Ayanamasa

>puzzle

>which had been vexing me for so long. The solution is perfectly logical and

>convincing - Although somewhat DISTURBING.

>

>However, I am not giving the details on this forum as it seems very few

>list

>members are interested in this topic, so I would not like to bore them with

>technicalities.

>

>Nevertheless, anyone genuinely interested can contact me

>directly at superdeep

>

>My heartfelt gratitude to respected Sanjayji, Gaurangji and Shirajitji for

>their help and support.

>

>OM GURUVE NAMAH !

>

>Deepak Nair.

>

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 7

> Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:13:12 +0530

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

>Re: [vedic astrology] Basic Questions

>

>

>Om Gurave Namah

>--------------------------

>Dear Murali,

>Gauranga has given you the spiritual answer as provided in the standard

>texts. I will add the comments from the viewpoint of Jyotish..

>Best Wishes

>Sanjay Rath

>-

><m_muraly

><vedic astrology >

>Thursday, September 06, 2001 9:58 PM

>[vedic astrology] Basic Questions

>

>

> > Om Krishna Guru!!!

> >

> > Namaste to all SJVC gurus,

> > I am delighted to see Pt. Sanjay Rath is back in this column and

> > helping out lost souls. There are certain questions always boiling me

> > from inside and I would appreciate if all you gurus can shed some

> > light on these.

> > Also I am including my birth details because I am sincere in knowing

> > answers to these questions which SJVC gurus might verify from my

> > birth chart.

> > DOB - May 8, 1968

> > TOB - 21:37 hrs ( 9:37 PM - IST)

> > POB - LAT 10 deg N 58min / LONG 79 deg E 23min

> >

> > Here are the questions:

> >

> > 1> Why does the Brahman ( the Absoulute) want to play games with

> > individual souls?

>RATH: GAMES IS A POOR TRANSLATION OF THE TERM LEELA. LOOK AT A SIMPLE

>CONCEPT OF UNITY OF GODHEAD. WE ALL KNOW THAT NARAYANA IS THE PENULTIMATE

>UNDIVIDED FORM OF GOD, YET WE LIKE TO CALL HIM BY DIFFERENT NAMES. WHY DOES

>THIS HAPPEN, OR WHY HAS THIS HAPPENED? THIS DIFFERENTIATION IS CAUSED BY

>RAJAS AND NOT SATWA GUNA. JUPITER INDICATES SATWA GUNA AND THE

>UNDIFFERENTIATED FORM (IF ANY) OF THE LORD WHEREAS MERCURY OF RAJAS GUNA

>INDICATES THE DIFFERENTIATED FORM AND LEADS TO THE WORSHIP OF THE VARIOUS

>AVATAR'S OF BHAGAVAN.

>BRAHMA HIMSELF IS CREATED AND IT IS THE PREDOMINANT NATURE OF HIS RAJAS

>GUNA THAT CAUSES HIM TO DIVIDE HIMSELF AND CAUSE THIS CREATION TO SEEM SO

>DIFFERENT. LOOK AT MAN AND SAY A DOG, THEY ARE SEEMINGLY SO DIFFERENT

>BECAUSE OF THE RAJAS GUNA THAT CAUSED THEIR CREATION INTO DIFFERENT FORMS,

>YET WE KNOW THAT DEEP INSIDE RESIDES A SPARK OF LIFE IN THEM CALLED THE

>ATMA THAT IS VERY SIMILAR.

>THUS, BRAHMA IS NOT PLAYING GAMES, HE IS ONLY DOING WHAT IS HIS PREDOMINANT

>NATURE TO DO I.E. DIVIDE HIMSELF INTO VARIOUS PARTS AND FORMS AND FINALLY

>LIKE ALL OTHER PARTS OF CREATION, HE TOO SHALL BE DISSOLVED. THUS THE MORAL

>OF THE STORY IS RAJAS GUNA WHICH LEADS TO WEALTH AND PROSPERITY AND CREATES

>SO MANY THINGS AND BEINGS SHALL ONE DAY END. THIS END IS DIFFERENT FOR

>DIFFERENT TYPES OF CREATIONS..MEN 120 YEARS MAX, ELEPHANTS 360 YEARS AND SO

>ON.

>

> > 2> Why is Maya created? How can I understand Maya?

>

>LIKA ALL OTHER PARTS OF BRAHMA IN HIS DIFFERENTIATED FORM, MAYA IS ALSO

>CREATED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL ATMAS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUANITY TO CLEANSE

>THEMSELVES BY REALISING THE HIGHER TRUTH. THAT IS WHY MAYA IS CALLED THE

>DIVINE MOTHER AND IT IS AT HER BEHEST THAT THE " GATI " OF ALL BEINGS IS

>DETERMINED. SANKARA SAYS 'GATISTWAM GATI STWAM TWAM EKA BHAVANI " . IT IS

>THIS GATI THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE REALISATION PROCESS. WITHOUT PROPER

>GATI NONE OF THE DIFFERENTIATED ATMA'S (SPARKS THAT HAVE BEEN SEPARATED

>FROM THE PARAMATMA DUE TO THEIR AQUIRING MORE OF RAJAS OR TAMAS GUNA) WILL

>EVER BE ABLE TO HAVE SELF REALISATION OR PERCEIVE THE IMPERCEPTIBLE TRUTH.

>THUS, MAYA IS THE GREAT MOTHER MAHAMAYI.

>

>IN JYOTISH, WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND MAYA THROUGH THE ARUDHA PADA. AS AN

>EXAMPLE LET US TAKE THE LAGNA PADA. HERE, MAYA CAN BE A DEMON WHEN IT COMES

>TO THE FALSE SENCE OF PERPETUAL LIFE THAT WE ALL HAVE. INSPITE OF KNOWING

>FULLY WELL THAT WE SHALL ALL DIE ONE DAY, WE CONTINUE IN THE DEEP INNER

>FAITH THAT SOMEHOW WE SHALL BE THE 'CHOSEN LUCKY' ONES TO LIVE FOREVER.

>THIS FALSE SENCE IS LIKE THE DEMON OF UNTRUTH OR ASAT AND IS REPRESENTED BY

>THE ARUDHA LAGNA. THIS MAKES US FEEL BIG AND MIGHTYI.E. THE GREATER THE

>MAYA OF THE ARUDHA THE MORE THE MIGHTY FEELING. THUS, WHEN THE LAGNA

>(SATYA) ARRIVES IN THE ARUDHA LAGNA (OR ITS TRINES OR 7TH HOUSE OR THE SIGN

>OCCUPIED BY ITS LORD), THIS SENCE OF UNTRUTH IS DESTROYED AND DEATH OCCURS

>[RATH'S RULE SEE CRUX OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY].

>

>THUS THE EXISTENCE OF THE ATMA IN BODIES AND IN THIS MAYA IS NECESSARY FOR

>THE SELF REALISATION AND FOR THE LEARNING AND CLEANSING PROCESS.

>

> > 3> Why hasn't the great seers and Rishis never tried to stop Maya?

>RATH: WHY SHOULD THEY? THE MAHARISHI'S UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS AND ARE IN

>PERFECT HARMONY WITH ALL THESE ACTS OF GOD KNOWING FULLY WELL THAT MAYA (IN

>THE SENCE OF WORLDLY ENJOYMENTS- A VERY RESTRICTED CONCEPT AS USED IN YOUR

>QUESTION) IS THERE TO HELP THE ATMA DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD AND

>THIS DIFFERENTIATION IS ALSO BORNE OUT OF THE ESSENTIAL INNER NATURE OF THE

>PREVAILING GUNA OF RAJAS WITHIN THE ATMA THAT HAS CAUSED ITS

>DIFFERENTIATION FROM THE PARAMATMA. IF THE ONENESS WITH GOD IS COMPLETE,

>THEN MOKSHA IS IMMINENT.

>

> > 4> If one gets Moksha does that mean he gets Moksha only for this

> > Kalpa or only during the lifetime of this Brahma or for eternity?

>RATH: THERE ARE VARIOUS TYPES OF MOKSHA. EVEN BRAHMA IS CREATED FROM THE

>BODY OF NARAYANA AND HAS EVOLVED FROM THE RAJAS THAT PREVAILED FOR HIS

>CREATION. SO, BRAHMA GETS MOKSHA ONCE IN 100 BRAHMA YEARS AND ANOTHER

>BRAHMA IS CREATED AFTER THE NIGHT IS OVER FROM THE CYCLE OF TIME THAT

>CAUSES THE RAJAS TO PREVAIL TOWARDS THE END OF THE (BRAHMA PERIOD'S) NIGHT.

>

> > 5> Repeating GOD's name always works. There is a mystical power to

> > the sound of God's name. Where can I get the knowledge of this

> > mystical power in God's name? Where is that science and why does it

> > work?

>RATH: WHAT YOU SPEAK OF IS MANTRA SHASTRA. READ THIS CHAPTER VERY CAREFLLY

>FROM MY BOOK VEDIC REMEDIES IN ASTROLOGY. MAKE YOUR NOTES. I WILL BE GIVING

>OUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF ACHYUTA DASA VERY SOON MAYBE IN A MONTH OR TWO ON

>THIS. MANTRA SHASTRA IS THE SCIENCE. READ ABOUT EACH PHONEME, I WILL GIVE

>THE ORDER OF CREATION OF THE SYLLABLES AND THE SYLLABLES WITH LIFE ETC

>LATER.

>

> > I will come back with more questions if I get answers from SJVC gurus.

> >

> > Thanks a million!

> >

> > Murali

>

>

>

>[This message contained attachments]

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 8

> Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:20:17 +0530

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

>Re: Weekly/monthly prediction

>

>

>Om Gurave Namah

>--------------------------

>Dear Gauranga,

>Draw the chart for the sankranti (solar ingress into the Sun sign) and make

>your predictions accordingly. USE VEDIC sun signs by giving the dates of

>sankranti for each sign. Thus, we shall have 12 groups of people. Draw the

>chart for the Sunrise of each day and give daily predictions. Recite hare

>Rama Krishna and He will guide you through the rest of the process. Please

>do not use the sun signs as given in the tropical chart as this will

>mislead

>many others. People can easily find their natal Moon signs and give a

>reference ot the web sites available for this. If possible, we can have an

>on-line program that can give the natal moon sign for the birth details

>being fed in. With the dawn of the computer age, we should help others to

>also know the truth about themselves... after all then only will Bhagavan

>help us.

>Best Wishes

>Sanjay Rath

>-

>Gauranga Das <gauranga

><varahamihira >

>Thursday, September 06, 2001 5:22 PM

>Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Weekly/monthly prediction

>

>

>JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

>Dear Anton,

>

>Namaste.

>

> > Pranam, dear gurus and students,

> >

> > We would like to publish monthly or weekly forecast in our

>Russian-language

> > magazine " Vedic Astrology " . It should be somewhat individualized for 12

>groups

> > of people.

>

>Well, I myself make monthly predictions on a Hungarian website, but it's

>based on the New Moon chart of hte month, so it's not individualised, just

>a

>mundane chart for the country. However this is what I take to be

>reasonable,

>as an individualised chart will not be exact anywas, as onyl the Lagna or

>Moon sign is not enough to take into consideration, whatever technique you

>use (Rasi transits or Sarvatobhadra cakra etc.)

>

> > 1. What is the best way to individualize such predictions: by

>Jamna-rashi

> > or by Lagna-rashi?

>

>The general people won't knwo either of their Moon or Lagna positions, so

>what is the use, Average people know only their tropical sun signs. Of

>course you masy give dates fro sidereal Sun signs, but still a transit

>chart

>can't be read properly on the basis of the natal sun sign.

>

> > 2. How should predictions be done? For instance, it can be Gochara

>of

>all

> > grahas relative to Jamna-rashi (like exapmle at the end of message); it

>can be

> > consideration of functional grahas (Sthira Karakas) relative to Lagna.

>

>f the two the first is more reasonable, as Sthira Karakas are only for

>longevity. But then again you should notice that a Tajaka monthly chart is

>more exact than a general transit assessment, but that is again individual

>and can't be done in a newspaper.

>

> > 3. Which books can be learned for such type of predictions?

>

>I don't even know of any seroius books on Gochara. Maybe is some list

>members know such books, they could mention it also for my benefit.

>

> > 4. Maybe there are trustworthy forecasts in magazines and at

>internet

> > sites?

>

>Try astroweek.com

>

>Yours,

>

>Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> <gauranga

> Phone: +36-309-140-839

> Jyotish Remedies:

> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

>

>

>

>______________________

>______________________

>

>Message: 9

> Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:24:10 +0530

> " Sanjay Rath " <srath

>Re: Ayanamasa

>

>

>Om Gurave Namah

>--------------------------

>Dear Alex,

>Ask your friend to read the Vishnu Purana and Bhagavatam very carefully to

>understand the difference between Narayana & Surya.

>Best Wishes

>Sanjay Rath

>-

>Alex J <lostinmotion

><varahamihira >

>Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:47 PM

>Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Ayanamasa

>

>

> > Om Gurave Namah,

> >

> > Dear Sanjay,

> >

> > I was told by a Western astrologer that there is no reference to

> > ayanamsa in any of the Jyotish texts, or holy books of India, and

> > that it is a recent discovery. I find this very hard to believe.

> >

> > Is there any scriptural references to the ayanamsa? My understanding

> > is that the nakshatras are taken as referring to the unchanging star

> > constellation positions.

> >

> > Is there any reference in the scriptures to the permanent alignment

> > of the Zodiac against these unmoving nakshatras?

> >

> > best of luck,

> >

> > Alex J

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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