[Hare Rama Krishna] Reply to Mr.Sanjay Jaggia- Basic Clarification request

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Dear Mr. Kannan,

 

Thank you for the time you took to answer my query. I appreciate your

clarification and I have learned a few things about hoe graha and rashi

drishtis work through the examples that you have given.

 

Kind regards

Sanjay

 

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" Solai Kannan " <solai

<varahamihira >

Saturday, September 08, 2001 8:26 PM

[Hare Rama Krishna] Reply to Mr.Sanjay Jaggia- Basic Clarification

request

 

 

OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH

 

JAYA JAGANNATHA

 

Namaste Mr.Sanjay Jaggia,

 

I will leave the Ayanamsa Part of your question, which I will comeback

later. Let me give a reply to your DHRISHTI or Aspect part. This mail is

rather big and I request the Gurus to correct me.

 

Your question:

 

I am curious to know the basic nature of planetary aspects and how these are

supposed to work. There is probably some energy relationship or sympathetic

force fields set up in the relevant points where the aspects are said to be

in operation. Is there any further information available on how exactly

Vedic aspects operate?

 

 

My Reply: There is no clear reference for how exactly the aspect is

operating in the vedic texts. In fact most of the important matters in the

vedic texts are not explained in detail. The reason for leaving them is,

those matters highly varies as time passes, plus the effect of such matters

may be innumerable, which will be difficult to list. So, the sages did not

want to mislead the astrologer by just giving some standard examples,

fearing that the astrologers will follow that example only.

 

Although, you are referring to Graha Drishti, I will discuss Rasi Drishti

also. Otherwise, others may ask how Rasi Drishti is understood.

 

Drishti or aspect in general is the influence of planets on other planets

and houses/ Bhavas. As we know in the ordinary world, many people influence

us and we influence many in different manner. In addition, those influences

also varies time to time. So, it is difficult to simplify and tell. For

example, how you influence your mother is different from how your mother

influence you. Similarly, your mother's influence on you will be different

from your father's influence on you.

 

A small introduction to Graha and Rasi drishti.

 

Graha drishti: A planet aspects, the planets in the 7th house from it, by

full and the outer planets like Mars (4th & 8th), Jupiter (5th & 9th) and

Saturn (3rd & 10th) has special aspects on the houses mentioned in brackets.

Grahas or planets are animate. Their drishti also animate in nature.

 

Rasi drishti: A movable rasi aspects all the fixed rasis except the one

adjacent to it. For ex. Ar. aspects Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius. A fixed rasi

aspects all the movable rasis except the one adjacent to it. For ex. Ta.

aspects Cancer, Libra and Capricorn. A dual sign aspects all other dual

signs. A planet in a sign or rasi also aspect or drishiti as the sign it

occupies.

 

Now your question how these aspects operate?

 

In management, when we study the leadership qualities we come across two

powers. One is individual power. Other one is positional power. Individual

power is a persons individual qualities, some people has inherent nature to

get the works done by others, irrespective of the position they hold. For

example, in my department, my assistant Mr.Chacko is more influencial with

other staff than I. If I want something to be done out of the way, I ask

Chacko to handle. This is Chacko's individual influence. This is because of

his friendly nature with others. His influence is high among the people of

Kerala state. This we can compare to the Graha drishti. Mr.Chacko is like

Jupiter aspecting or influenceing 5th and 9th houses, he has his own

influence on the Kerala state people.

 

Whereas Rasi Drishti is positional power. People respect me for my position

as Financial Controller. I am powerful than Chacko as the department head.

So, I have more influence on others than Chacko on normal business matters.

I acquired the power because of the position. Similarly, a planet's rasi

drishti is due to the sign/bhava it occupies.

 

In both Individual power and positional power the composite influence is

based on the person and his position. For example, Jayalalitha's influence

on Tamilnadu state as Chief Minister of the state is different from that of

Karunanithi's, though the position is same in both cases. Similarly, Jupiter

in Sagittarius aspecting other dual signs is different from Saturn in that

sign and aspecting others.

 

In the Graha drishti also a planet's influence depends on the sign it

occupies, but it is different from the Rasi drishti. In our example, when

Mr.Chacko works in finance departments, his helping tendencies are mostly

related to financial matters. Suppose, if he is transfered to Stores, his

influence will be related to material purchase. In Jyotish, a planet's graha

drishti also varies depending on the sign/bhava it occupies.

 

This blending of all the aspects and its influence and judging the correct

prediction is the talent which will be acquired only by Gurubakthi and

Prayer. In addition dasa influence also has to be considered.

 

I take my case as an example and explain.

 

Retrograde Jupiter is in my 3rd house of Aries and aspects (graha drishti)

on 7th house, 9th house and 11th house. Rasi drishti on 1st bhava, Aq., 7th

Bhava Leo and 10th Bhava Scorpio.

 

Graha drishti:He is in general benefic in nature, but during his retrograde

nature it gives delayed or opposite effect. Because of its inherent nature,

it blessed with religious wife (7th house) in its period, Higher studies and

SJVC (9th house), gave lots of wealth to my elder sister (11th house). So,

its individual qualities are prominent through the graha drishti.

 

Rasi drishti: He occupies the 3rd sign of brothers and sisters, Aries and

placed 12th from Moon. The sign effects of Agni qualities shown up in its

period. The marriage (7th house) was through my sister. I had peptic ulcer

and stomach problems (7th house, but 5th house of Kalapurusha), I got jobs

(10th house) through my sister. Troubles were indicated in all these signs

due its retrograde nature and 12th from moon and the Agni tatwa of the sign.

So, mental problems, due to sister (3rd house), in Job and in family life.

So, the mental trouble and sister are influencial in all these 3 signs'

affairs.

 

This is only my interpretation, it could be wrong also. I request the Gurus

to correct me.

 

Thanks

 

Solai Kannan

 

 

Sanjay Jaggia [sanjaygg2001]

Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:59 AM

varahamihira

[Hare Rama Krishna] Basic Clarification request

 

 

Respected list members and gurus,

 

I joined this list recently and am trying to understand the basic

concepts.

I would appreciate it if someone could guide me to the right book or

clarify

my following confusions:

 

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1. AYANAMSHA

 

My knowledge of astronomy is poor, so please forgive me if this issue

seems

simple to other list members. My doubt is as follows:

 

The reference point that we take is based on an assumption of the last

time

that the tropical and sidereal zodiac were perfectly aligned. Different

people have calculated different precession rates and all those logics

seem

fine. However, if we are referring to the sidereal zodiac as that being in

reference to certain fixed stars, then is there any need for this

calculation? Can the position of the planets in the zodiac not be directly

determined by reference to these stars?

 

The second point connected with Ayanamsha is that even if we take it as

with

reference to some fixed stars, the current astronomical observations show

that the universe is expanding AT ALL POINTS. As such, no fixed point at

any

given time would remain in the same position at another time. While the

error on this account in calculating the Ayanamsha might be negligible, in

principle, it would seem to point against the use of a so called fixed

point

to base an eternal system.

 

Ayanamsha is an extremely important number. A minor change in this can

change the ascendant or any of the divisional charts when one is on a

borderline. Rectification of the birth time would affect different things

(such as ascendant, etc.) differently. 4 minutes would change the

ascendant

by a degree but would hardly change the longitude of Sun, let alone slower

planets. However, one degree change in Ayanamsha would bring about changes

in all planets and points in the horoscope. So, having the correct

Ayanamsha

is more important in the overall sense.

 

This brings us to another aspect of the teaching of the ancient sages. If

their teachings were based on the reference to certain fixed points, which

are not in the same position today, perhaps some of those principles need

to

be adapted. Of course, learned astrologers on the list might have tested

out

all the principles and found these to be accurate.

 

2. ASPECTS

 

I am curious to know the basic nature of planetary aspects and how these

are

supposed to work. There is probably some energy relationship or

sympathetic

force fields set up in the relevant points where the aspects are said to

be

in operation. Is there any further information available on how exactly

Vedic aspects operate?

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I am sure many people have asked similar questions in the past and I

expect

that some things just have to be taken as given until one gets a deeper

rational or intuitive understanding. However, if I can be pointed to

previous discussions where such questions might have been answered, as

opposed to merely discussed, I would be grateful.

 

With kind regards

Sanjay

 

 

 

 

 

 

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