dear narasimha

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Om Gurave Namah--------------------------Dear satyanarayana,

It is so nice to read that you worship the lineage of Brighu Maharishi. So also, I have to worship my lineage of Atri Maharishi. The points you have given are nice but need some further clarification.

 

POINT 1: ubhayam bhoomijo hanti sahajashto vinischayaat(mars in 3rd destroys elder and younger brothers)BPHS ch 15 verse 15.

 

Commentary: Mars is a natural malefic planet and its placement in the third house is detrimental for the health of younger co-born just as its placement in the 11th is detrimental for elder co-born. Jaimini adds that if Rahu and saturn are associated with this third then all co-born shall die. If Saturn alone is in third/eleventh then the death of younger/elder respectively shall occur at a later age i.e. after some time.

 

Illustration: For a person with Dhanus Lagna with Saturn, Mercury, Sun and Venus in 11th house in Libra and Mars in Capricorn and with Arudha Lagna in Leo, all his younger brothers died together in a car accident. He was in tears when I mentioned about danger to younger co-borns during the period..he had just lost them.

 

Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets.

 

POINT 2: (a) saptame tu sthithe sukre ateevakaamee bhavennaraha(venus in 7th makes the native over sexual)..BPHS; (b) asateerathaha mritakalathramaadyam vade(if venus in 7th he likes to enjoy the wives of others,and causes death to his wife)...Phaladeepika

 

Commentary: The placement of Venus as Karaka of the seventh house (Kaama) does not result in the destruction of sexual desire but increases it manifold. This may cause death to wife if he gets infected with sexually transmitted disease, but if his wife is also adequately matched for his sexual gratification, then this maynot result.

 

Illustration: Gemini lagna person with venus alone in seventh had many relationships outside marriage. Osho who also had this Venus in seventh was somehow always associated with Sex and religion (No offence meant to anyone please).

 

Conclusion: Karaka Bhava Nasa does not work with natural benefics (just like Parasara had mentioned.)

 

POINT 3: kriyaalasathanu krisathanu(sun in 1st makes native easily fatigued by slight work,with enmaciated,sickly body).. Phaladeepika

 

Conclusion: I am not giving comments etc; Karaka Bhava Nasa may work with malefic planets.

 

POINT 4: coming to our main point of controversy...putraihi kleshayutoh(his sons cause troubles to him,or they are faced with obstacles) when jupiter is in 5th..Phaladeepika.Now why should jupiter cause troubles to sons or sons should cause troubles to father in the above combination,if not for karaka rule?

 

Reply: Suffering is a part of life and it is a part of nature that the good have to suffer the actions of the evil ones. We have read of so many instances in our sacred literature where evil ones like Kamsa or Ravana etc. Ravana had no business to trouble Bhagavan rama, least of all kidnap His wife, yet he did it. Thus, the house where jupiter is placed shows the place from where goodness and Godliness will be seen. If Jupiter is in fifth, the children can be famous and powerful provided that the Moon and fifth Lord are also well disposed. Thus, this can cause a lot of suffering for the children and from this suffering they shall evolve and shine as the great gifts of God on this planet.

 

Illustration: To explain my point, let us take two cases of the same Lagna and exalted Jupiter in the fifth house. Case (1) Motilal Nehru Pisces Lagna; who was born with Jupiter in exaltation is the fifth house had one famous son Jawaharlal Nehru who suffered for many years during the freedom struggle and finally became the PM of India. His lineage has florished for 3 generations after him due to this exalted Jupiter as all of his son/grand daughter and great grandson became the prime Ministers of india. Case (2) Rabindra Nath Tagore had exalted Jupiter in the fifth house for Pisces lagna. He had a daughter and a son both of whom died around 1903 much before he got the nobel prize also.

 

Conclusion: Jupiter cannot be blamed for the death of children. The correct picture emerges only in the Saptamsa chakra.

 

With these words, I urge you to study hard and understand the secrets of the divisional charts. Do not accept what is going around in the market easily without fully trying it out. You will also appreciate what I had earlier written about one planet, two planet and more planet yoga's.Best WishesSanjay Rath

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r.sathyanarayana sharma <rssharmabza

<vedic astrology >

Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:33 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: dear narasimha

> > > > > > > Namaskaar sri narasimha,> > Sage Bhrigu is our founding father,as i belong to his> leneage, the srivatsa gotram,so how can i denounce> him,my great great great grandfather or for that> matter sage parashara, since every day we pay respect> to the guru leneage which contains him as well.what i> want to point out is the flaw in the argument,how to> decide at this point of time what is rishi proktam?ok> leave this and coming to the main point..> > Before coming to the authenticity of karako> bhavanashaka rule,i want to quote from ancient> works,for example> 2.> 3.> 4.> 5.> > All the above combinations given in the ancient works> testify to this rule,ofcourse as i said earlier, only> some karakatwas suffer not all.> 6.I have also quoted a chart position recently read by> me with jupiter in 5th, with no children and no> marriage till today, she is 43 now not 40 as typed> erroneously.> 7.I have no business to frown upon anyone,least upon> our rishis.On the other hand,do you endorse> innumerable bhrigu samhitas in the north as all> written by the original bhrigu rishi? Or the different> editions of BPHS available now with different slokas> and also chapters as authentic? all of them?Divisional> charts cannot be relied upon because,1.ayanamsa is not> correctly decided 2.rate of precession is not linear> and 3.time of every birth needs correction.where did i> denounce sage parashara in this?.i only say when the> basic data is wrong,how can you rely on divisional> charts?> 8.Iam not in favour of anything but the TRUTH.If iam> proved wrong i will surely change my opinion,but never> before.> by the way if you argue that mantreswara is not a> rishi, i cant help.> thanks and namaskaar.> sarma.,> > --- pvr wrote: > Namaste Sri Sarma,> > > > > dear narasimha,> > > namaskar.thanks for your reply.please consider my> > > arguments.> > > 1.How to decide something is rishi proktam and> > > something is not, especially in a subject like> > > jyothisham, where you can explain a certain event> > from> > > so many angles and arrive at equally good> > results.For> > > example,the bhrigu sutram quoted by you might be> > one> > > of the interpolations as well.Please dont tell me> > that> > > experience proves it,because only yesterday i saw> > a> > > > When Jay Weiss gave a ocunter-example to your rule> > (about Jupiter in > > 5th destroying 5th), you frowned upon "so called> > astrologers" for > > rejecting theories attributed to rishis. I see that> > you yourself are > > now giving a justification for not accepting> > everything attributed to > > rishis. Yes, some teachings *attributed* to rishis> > may just > > be "interpolations".> > > > Though you are willing to question teachings of Sage> > Bhrigu (Jupiter > > in 5th being good) and Sage Parasara (divisions),> > you seem to want us > > to accept without questioning your Jupiter rule.> > Hmm.> > > > After all, I asked you to clarify which "rishi"> > (Sage) taught that > > Jupiter in 5th destroys 5th. You haven't addressed> > that yet! Kindly > > do, as that will help.> > > > > horescope of leo lagna with jupiter in 5th.The> > native> > > is 40 years old and NEITHER married NOR having any> > > children as on date.you may want to see the whole> > > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha> > > > > > > > __________> > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct polls, organize chat events. Visit http://in/ > >