Please clarify my confusion from BV Raman book.

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I am new to astrology. I have already read introductory books by V K

Choudhry and M. Ramakrishna Bhat.

 

Just started reading astrology for beginners by BV Raman and it

really confused me. It has principles or techniques that contradicts

rest of my learning or reading.

 

I know B. V Ramans book are famous so please clarify my confusion:

 

In Ramans book it said: (I quoted from page 13 and 29 from astrology

for beginners by BV Raman)

 

1. Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the book)

I thought Mars aspects 4th and 10th.

 

2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and produce good.

I thought this is not a universal theory.

 

3. When benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.

I thought it is the other way around, e.g. house owning Ju and Ve is

always good in quadrant.

 

4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good.

That's what I thought but here someone previously told me Sa is bad

for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.

 

5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries.

I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all can cause

miseries.

 

6. Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if they are in

conjunction with favorable planets.

I thought 12th house is not good at all in present situation, it is

good for religious purpose but it is thought of malefic since does

not give materialistic gain.

 

7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very inauspicious.

I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can create strong good

yagas. E.g Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.

 

 

Please clarify my confusion.

Chandan

Also please sujjest me the best book or books for predictive

astrology.

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Hare Rama Krsna

Dear Chandan!

 

What BV Raman Said is correct. You might have picked up wrong information from other sources... The replies to your queries are as follows...

 

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> I am new to astrology. I have already read introductory books by V K > Choudhry and M. Ramakrishna Bhat. > > Just started reading astrology for beginners by BV Raman and it > really confused me. It has principles or techniques that contradicts > rest of my learning or reading.> > I know B. V Ramans book are famous so please clarify my confusion:> > In Ramans book it said: (I quoted from page 13 and 29 from astrology > for beginners by BV Raman) > > 1. Mars aspects 4th and 8th houses (page 13 in the book)> I thought Mars aspects 4th and 10th

 

Mars does aspect 4th and 8th. Saturn aspect 3rd and 10th.

..> > 2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and produce good.> I thought this is not a universal theory.

 

Sarajit: Lord of trines are always auspicious, even if they own a dusthana simultaneously. If the dusthana becomes a moolatrikona of the planet then the auspiciousness is somewhat diminished.

 

> > 3. When benefices own quadrants, they produce evil.> I thought it is the other way around, e.g. house owning Ju and Ve is > always good in quadrant.

 

Sarajit: Benefics owning the Kendras suffer from Kendradhipatya dosha and lose some amount of their benificence.

> > 4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good.> That's what I thought but here someone previously told me Sa is bad > for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.

Sarajit: Malefics owning kendras lose some amount of their maleficence. Kendrapati placed in Kona is infact a very good combination. The dasa of such planet will be good.

 

> > 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries.> I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all can cause > miseries.

 

Sarajit: 3,6,8,11 are trik sthanas and hence can cause miseries... 6/8/12 are dusthanas and hence cause miseries. Both are correct.

> 6. Lord of 2nd and 12th houses gives good results if they are in > conjunction with favorable planets.> I thought 12th house is not good at all in present situation, it is > good for religious purpose but it is thought of malefic since does > not give materialistic gain.

 

Sarajit: 2nd and 12th lord give results in association. So if they are in conjunction with benefics, they give good resuts. Even if they own a auspicious house they give auspicious result.

 

> 7. Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants become very inauspicious.> I thought Jupiter and Venus owing quadrants can create strong good > yagas. E.g Raj, hansa, Malva, etc.

Sarajit: If Such Jupiter / Venus owns a kona or placed in Kona, the inauspiciousness is brocken and they behave as benefics (yogakaraka). Mahapurusha yogas are exceptions to the rule. They are always good.

 

> > Please clarify my confusion.> Chandan> Also please sujjest me the best book or books for predictive > astrology.>

 

Regards

Sarajit

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Dear Sarajit,

Excellent replies for the beginners, just in the spirit of what Sanjayji

suggested the other day.. I have just small clairfication below;

> 2. The Lord of

the trines are always auspicious and produce good.

> I thought this is not a universal

theory. Sarajit:

Lord of trines are always auspicious, even if they own a dusthana simultaneously.

If the dusthana becomes a moolatrikona of the planet then the auspiciousness

is somewhat diminished.

ZORAN; Correct. However even when Shani rules dustana and kona houses

for Kanya lagna, if placed in kona in own sign, the dosha of multrikon

dustana is almost removed>

> 4. When malefic own quadrants they

produce good.

> That's what I thought but here someone

previously told me Sa is bad

> for me but it owns 7th and placed

in 9th.Sarajit: Malefics owning kendras lose some

amount of their maleficence. Kendrapati placed in Kona is infact a very

good combination. The dasa of such planet will be good.

ZORAN: A lot depends on sambhandas(relations) Mangal

ruling kendra will not according Laghu Parashari become auspicious in his

dasha if placed in kendra too, due to his ownership of 3rd house. If in

good sambhanda with other grahas, preferably kona lord than it would be

capable of giving good results>

> 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil

and cause miseries.

> I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly

not 11 at all can cause

> miseries. Sarajit:

3,6,8,11 are trik sthanas and hence can cause miseries... 6/8/12 are dusthanas

and hence cause miseries. Both are correct.

ZORAN: 3.6.11 are Upachayas and thus good from the

point of graha placement. Lords of these houses are evil, not mere placement,

if we exclude bahdaka placement of movable rashis ascending>

Please clarify my confusion.

> Chandan

> Also please sujjest me the best

book or books for predictive

> astrology.

ZORAN: Chandan, the books of Sanjayji and Narasimha is a must for proper

understanding of the teaching here on the list. I would also suggest a

book of PT. Kumar Ojha. Hindy Predictive astrology apart from compulsory

study of classics

Best wishes,

Zoran

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Dear Zoran!

 

Nice to get the replies from you. I read your replies on the atmakaraka lesson. They are infact interesting. Thanks a lot for the addendum. They would clear many doubts. Actually even I thought of giving a detailed reply to these queries, then I though giving some cues would be better. Here are some addtions to what you said.

 

 

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Sunday, October 28, 2001 7:52 PM

Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Please clarify my confusion from BV Raman book.

Dear Sarajit, Excellent replies for the beginners, just in the spirit of what Sanjayji suggested the other day.. I have just small clairfication below;

> 2. The Lord of the trines are always auspicious and produce good. > I thought this is not a universal theory. Sarajit: Lord of trines are always auspicious, even if they own a dusthana simultaneously. If the dusthana becomes a moolatrikona of the planet then the auspiciousness is somewhat diminished. ZORAN; Correct. However even when Shani rules dustana and kona houses for Kanya lagna, if placed in kona in own sign, the dosha of multrikon dustana is almost removed>

> 4. When malefic own quadrants they produce good. > That's what I thought but here someone previously told me Sa is bad > for me but it owns 7th and placed in 9th.Sarajit: Malefics owning kendras lose some amount of their maleficence. Kendrapati placed in Kona is infact a very good combination. The dasa of such planet will be good.

 

ZORAN: A lot depends on sambhandas(relations) Mangal ruling kendra will not according Laghu Parashari become auspicious in his dasha if placed in kendra too, due to his ownership of 3rd house. If in good sambhanda with other grahas, preferably kona lord than it would be capable of giving good results>

Sarajit: You are correct, many things based on the sambandha with other houses like the relations of the planet with the lagna lord, its placement in auspicios houses, in friendly, own or exaltation houses or having good relations with other planets, preferably kona lord. However, I have seen in many horoscopes that placement of a kendra lord in kona itself does lots of good. This is always true that combinations can't be evaluated in isolation.

 

 

> 5. Lords of 3,6,8 and 11 do evil and cause miseries. > I thought lord of 6,8,12 particularly not 11 at all can cause > miseries. Sarajit: 3,6,8,11 are trik sthanas and hence can cause miseries... 6/8/12 are dusthanas and hence cause miseries. Both are correct.

 

ZORAN: 3.6.11 are Upachayas and thus good from the point of graha placement. Lords of these houses are evil, not mere placement, if we exclude bahdaka placement of movable rashis ascending>

 

Sarajit: You are right. Even 10th is a upachaya. The placement of planets in the Upachaya from the Lagna or from the bhava itself, always augur well for the bhava as upachaya is the houses of growth. It is generally seen that malefics give good results if they are placed in all the four upachayas however benefics tend to give good results in the 10th and 11th houses. However like the dusthana lords, the upachaya lords are capable of giving bad results, mostly 3rd lord (others are the dusthana lord) if placed in good bhava, related to the bhava. Here 10th is an exception. Zoran! can you please tell me more on the 11th lord's placement.

 

Regards

Sarajit

 

Please clarify my confusion. > Chandan > Also please sujjest me the best book or books for predictive > astrology.ZORAN: Chandan, the books of Sanjayji and Narasimha is a must for proper understanding of the teaching here on the list. I would also suggest a book of PT. Kumar Ojha. Hindy Predictive astrology apart from compulsory study of classics Best wishes, Zoran OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database

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Dear Sarajit,

 

 

Sarajit:

You are correct, many things based on the sambandha with other houses like

the relations of the planet with the lagna lord, its placement in auspicios

houses, in friendly, own or exaltation houses or having good relations

with other planets, preferably kona lord. However, I have seen in many

horoscopes that placement of a kendra lord in kona itself does lots of

good. This is always true that combinations can't be evaluated in isolation.

 

 

Yes, correct. Kona houses belong to Shree Lakshmi while Kendra houses belong

to Shree Krishna. Their sambandha gives happiness. Never forget the basic

principle in Parashara. Lords of Kona are wealth givers, while 7/10 in

particular rule happiness.

Lords of kendra in kona and vice versa is conducive to wealth and happiness.

 

 

Sarajit:

You are right. Even 10th is a upachaya. The placement of planets in the

Upachaya from the Lagna or from the bhava itself, always augur well for

the bhava as upachaya is the houses of growth. It is generally seen that

malefics give good results if they are placed in all the four upachayas

however benefics tend to give good results in the 10th and 11th houses.

However like the dusthana lords, the upachaya lords are capable of giving

bad results, mostly 3rd lord (others are the dusthana lord) if placed in

good bhava, related to the bhava. Here 10th is an exception. Zoran! can

you please tell me more on the 11th lord's placement.

RegardsSarajit

 

 

I tend to omit 10th house from upachaya division, and feel it is kendra

mostly. 10th is the strongest kendra in the chart, and it gives direction

of karma. Where I feel that 3/6 houses placement will need time to manifest,

planets in 10th show their results openly and swifly. From the perspective

of placement, malefics can give good results in 10th house, all depending

on argala and karakatwa. For example, shani would give bad results for

father, due to its argala on 9th house. Each planet in 11th house tends

to give gains. For instance, shani would give gains but slowly and generally

results of one's karma(activity) would fructify late due to its argala

over 10th house. 11th lord is evil being 6th from 6th. It would give gains

and success but could endanger longevity and give illness, particularly

for movable lagnas ascending. Never treat 11th lord positive for good dasha

results except for the gains and success. It would take the first opportunity

to punish and give bad health in its dasha. Have you thought of the link

of 11th and Rudramsa/ Mandook dasha? When 11th lord is placed in lagna/2nd

or 8th houses or associated with 2nd from AL it would in its dasha endanger

longevity and give disease. As far as placement it is generally good, but

never overlook that ill placed grahas in 11th would have argala over 8th

house of roga, and it is necessary to have a good 5th house placement for

counter argals.Haven't we seen that people with prepotent 11th houses,

turn to huge earnings and cause bad health due to argala over 8th house?

In any case, 3/6/11th lords can give very evil results in its dashas, while

if they rule good houses from other lagnas, the results can be beneficial

for prospertity.

Best wishes,

Zoran