Guest guest Posted November 1, 2001 Report Share Posted November 1, 2001 OHM SHRI RAGAVENDRAYA NAMAH JAYA JAGANNATHA " I am in no hurry to leave this world so early without ensuring that the day someone walks into your room, without even looking at the chart you know the problem and the solution also. The rest is confirmation..thats the Jyotish I want to see you be. " – Pt.Sanjay Rath to his Sisya, 1st November 2001. Pranam Gurudeva, I thank you for making this quote in the other mail. This quote is very very important. Because, without basic we cannot achieve the above level. You made me a Guru. Otherwise if you ask me a choice of joining SJVC or Varahamihra, I will definitely opt for the basic course of SJVC. Fortunately you have named rightly the basic class as SJVC and the advanced level as Varahamihira. Regarding the policy of having members and attempting the lessons, with your permission, I would like to clarify certain points. 1. Attempting lessons is important, but simply answering the lesson questions just for the purpose of answering will not serve the learning. In the sense we have to grasp the content of the lesson and digest it, think , analyse the content of the lesson and correlate the lesson concepts with other concepts and then should attempt the lesson questions with proper understanding. But, most of us are just trying to answer the lessons. Any person who has a very little knowledge in astrology can do it without any trouble. But, Gurudeva does not want this type of raw answers and on contrary he wants us to work hard and raise many questions and prepare the answers. Our attempt or answers are only a feed back for Gurudeva to assess us. So, during the course of Varahamihira class, it was very clear that some are with no initial knowledge, some are with less knowledge, some are having more knowledge and experience but lack the basics. But, what Gurudeva gives us is a THREAD in the form of a lesson and he expects us to make a cloth out of it. To come to this level the members should have the strong basics. 2. As we all know Gurudeva runs this teaching classes free and he wants QUALITY Jyotisha as the outcome of his teachings. So, SJVC is formed keeping this in mind to develop the strong basic and not for upsetting the members. By having all sisyas at Varahamihira will in no way affect the objective of Gurudeva of teaching his sisyas. He will do his teaching all days and he will guide who are all asking questions. But, at the end it is only we who do not have strong basic might not reap the fruit of his real teaching. 3. Many asked this question: Why can't we have the members in two classes? It will not serve the purpose of opening a new class. Moreover, in any educational system, no student will be in two levels of classes. Horizontally, people can study two different subjects. But, in one specialty, a student cannot be in level 1 and level 2. Further, if we decide to accept the students in two classes, we should give such privilege to all the members. In that case, all 258 members will be in SJVC and in Varahamihira. At the end it will be one and the same. 4. Another question from the members: Why can't we stay as silent members? Again the whole issue of starting SJVC originated from the quietness of the members. Once, the students are transferred from SJVC to Varahamihira, they can access all the old discussions, nothing is going to be missed. 5. I know the problem will be with the people who are in the middle level, who cannot decide exactly whether to be in basic SJVC class or in advanced Varahamihira class. For them when they wanted to join SJVC, I respected their knowledge and their involvement and wrote to them privately and asked their re-confirmation to join SJVC. Further I explained to them that if they join SJVC, they cannot continue in Varahamihira. Among such experienced members, all except one member replied that they do not want to leave Varahamihira, but, for the benefit of getting strong basic, they will leave Varahamihira and they will eventually re-enter Varahamihira soon. This is the good spirit in learning. 6. In spite of all these, the whole objective of setting up of SJVC is for the benefit of students. So, those who want to stay in Varahamihira can stay. But, they have to participate in the lesson discussion, except on Internet constraints. 7. Even for the courses where fees and donations are collected, there are screening process to select a student and evaluation methods to go for higher level. Now, Varahamihira has grown. But, we are not having any screening method. If a person has a WISH to join SJVC or Varahamihira, THAT WISH is the qualification. We do not know, perhaps, in due course, we may have more levels to teach. We are having members from the age of 18 to 62, from all longitudes and lattidudes of the earth, with various levels of self-learning. So, even starting SJVC will not serve the full purpose. We do not know how to frame the lessons to suit all the members. 8. To finish, one thing is very very clear. ALL THE MEMBERS who have joined either SJVC or Varahamihira are all having a strong desire and appetite to learn Jyotish. There is no doubt about it. Some of the personal mails written by the members about their quietness drew tears in my eyes. They are all so emotionally attached with Gurudeva's compassion. Those mails stressed the fact that there is lot to be done by the Gurus to support their desire. These are all my humble opinions only. I welcome the members to share their views and request Gurudeva to make the final decision on this. Thanks Your sisya Solai Kannan varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > OM SRI GURAVE NAMAH > Dear Jay, Zoran, Alexandra, Laxmi and others, > > Fully agree to your proposal. But I will advise that those of you who wish > to be on a strong foundation should join SJVCas well or rather definitely as > this will strengthen your roots. Those who wish to be spectators are fine, > but this will only cause more trouble in sorting mail. My problem is I would > not know whom to focus on and check whether they are working seriously. Any > ideas on this? If you are worried about missing something, then the archives > are always there. > In the tradition, the youngers were always present (though rarely > participated) in what the elders did so that they too learnt the basics by > imbibing the lessons from the discussions. > As to who should go to SJVC, I think Solai and Sarat will decide this as > there is a concensus among Guru's that the newcomes need to have some basic > grounding. So, please wait for his mail..instead I will advice that all > newcomes just join SJVC first. Please don't miss my special lessons on > basics out there. Varahamihira is a BANYAN TREE and there is a lot of shade > for all of us. > In any case I am getting on with this class as further delay will only make > the nimble mind forget the taste of the food it has just eaten. > > Best Regards > Sanjay Rath > http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > PS Jay Thanks for that compliment anyway..No, I don't deserve it as I can do > more but am idling away a lot of time reading about the Taliban and those > great cartoons on them. > - > Jay Weiss > varahamihira > Wednesday, October 31, 2001 1:21 AM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Varahamihira membership > > > Dear Zoran and members, > > I have been with some Vedic lists for many years now. I learned to > appreciate and admire certain individuals who projected the remarkable > quality of willingness to share valuable Vedic knowledge with others while > sacrificing much of their own time. > The respectable Sanjay Rath and Narasimha Rao are two such individuals. > Anyone who can reflect on the last 4-5 years will recognize what I mean. > Both Sanjay and Narasimha have and are raising the level of Vedic > astrology knowledge and principals to new levels that very few have done in > resent years. That goes for both the books they wrote, the mail- lists they > started and run as well as their participation in them. > > I believe to have been the first person to comment Sanjay's mail > expressing the importance that I place on this membership (I joined only a > couple of weeks ago). > As an individual and astrologer who lives where I do (Sweden), I consider > this to be a part of a life line. Understand that at times a single lesson > on this level is valued more than 100 books (and those I have plenty of > ...). To me they are as important as the air I breeze. > However I agree that no one should start university without been to ground > and high schools first. In this sense Sanjay, Narasimha and the other gurus > are absolutely correct. > I believe (my opinion) that a window should be left open for those who > wish to stay in Varahamihira while they are attending the 'Classroom > lessons' WITHOUT interfering with questions etc. i.e. an total state of > " read only " option. > > Therefore, I (like many others I believe) never doubted Sanjay's positive > intentions nor his compassionated nature and good will. Sanjay can only be > blessed for what he is contributing to us and to this world. > > With respect and kind regards > > Jay Weiss > > > > > - > <ahimsa@N...> > <varahamihira> > Tuesday, October 30, 2001 5:19 PM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Varahamihira membership > > > > Jaya Jagannath! > > Dear Aphoton, > > Do read Narasimha posting carefully. I feel sorry to see that many of > > you > > received Sanjayji's suggestion inappropriately. His desire was to help > > beginners understand this knowledge, not to punish any of you for not > > answering the assignments. Sanjayji's advice was given to those who > > still > > have problems with basics, not to all of you. Never forget Sanjay's guru > > in own sign in lagna. He is of compassionate nature and would not > > certainly > > punish anyone, but help. > > Mantra Mulam Guru Vakyam > > Moksha Mulam Guru Kripam, > > Best wishes, > > Zoran > > > > aphoton wrote: > > > > > Pranam Gurus, > > > I too was about to as directed by you because I do not > have > > > the time to do all the exercises. For instance, in the last > assignment, > > > I would need to read the life of Aurobindo and some of his writings in > > > order to attempt an analysis of his chart. My health is not very > good > > > at present. On the other hand, what I find especially valuable are the > > > archives. Now one cannot access the archives if one is not a member. > I > > > was looking for comments about digestive ailments today, I found a > > > number of good posts but if I were to this would be > > > unavailable to me. > > > I can see that you wish to have a list for beginners, I have been > > > fascinated by Jyotish for almost 40 years, but I still have much to > > > learn. But learning becomes more a matter of separating the grain > from > > > the chaff, the noise from the message. > > > I hope you will reconsider your decision. > > > Best regards, > > > aphoton > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > Files: varahamihira > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 " I am in no hurry to leave this world so early without ensuring that the day someone walks into your room, without even looking at the chart you know the problem and the solution also. The rest is confirmation..thats the Jyotish I want to see you be. " – Pt.Sanjay Rath to his Sisya, 1st November 2001.OM KRISHNA GURU, Namasthe Gurudeva After listen to your tapes, I like to request again and again; could you please kindly consider to record your lectures in Delhi class ?? Your Sishya Karu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2001 Report Share Posted November 2, 2001 OM SRI GURAVE NAMAHDear Karu, I lack the resources at delhi and too many jealous people with small minds prevent good things from happening. Vrinda devi even sent the taping devices, yet that did not work out properly as the classes were too informal and the tapes went into a few peoples personal collection. It is all the effect of maya.. things are falling in place as Jagannath Mahaprabhu wants it. You will have tapes and alot more..Best RegardsSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com - karu varahamihira Friday, November 02, 2001 5:21 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Varahamihira membership "I am in no hurry to leave this world so early without ensuring that the day someone walks into your room, without even looking at the chart you know the problem and the solution also. The rest is confirmation..thats the Jyotish I want to see you be." – Pt.Sanjay Rath to his Sisya, 1st November 2001.OM KRISHNA GURU, Namasthe Gurudeva After listen to your tapes, I like to request again and again; could you please kindly consider to record your lectures in Delhi class ?? Your Sishya Karu OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2001 Report Share Posted November 3, 2001 OM KRISHNA GURU Namasthe Gurudeva Sanjay and list, What we can do for this ? Almost all wanted share with Delhi class, and why we cannot organize taping and send to members ? I sincerely done some thing and you have rejected it in first place. If you kindly name one of your student in Delhi to organize this work, I think we all can join and solve this problem positively. It will be a great gift from Lord Jagannath to not only this list members, but next generation too. So Please.. Your Sishya Karu OM SRI GURAVE NAMAHDear Karu, I lack the resources at delhi and too many jealous people with small minds prevent good things from happening. Vrinda devi even sent the taping devices, yet that did not work out properly as the classes were too informal and the tapes went into a few peoples personal collection. It is all the effect of maya.. things are falling in place as Jagannath Mahaprabhu wants it. You will have tapes and alot more..Best RegardsSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com - karu varahamihira Friday, November 02, 2001 5:21 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Varahamihira membership " I am in no hurry to leave this world so early without ensuring that the day someone walks into your room, without even looking at the chart you know the problem and the solution also. The rest is confirmation..thats the Jyotish I want to see you be. " – Pt.Sanjay Rath to his Sisya, 1st November 2001.OM KRISHNA GURU, Namasthe Gurudeva After listen to your tapes, I like to request again and again; could you please kindly consider to record your lectures in Delhi class ?? Your Sishya Karu OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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