Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Jaya Jagannath! I understood the following as general principle, please correct me if I am wrong: 1. Neecha Papas in kendras are good unless Rx 2. Uchch Papas in kendras are not good unless Rx 3. Neecha Shubhas in dusthanas are good unless Rx and aspected by papas 4.Uchacha Shubhas in dustnas are not good unless Rx Is this correct? I will verify through charts Best wishes, Zoran -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Guru of Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre Email address: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Cell Phone: 38163793182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2002 Report Share Posted February 5, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ----------------------------- Dear Zoran, Debilitated Malefics and/or benefics are good in tenth house. Rather avoid Malefics in 10th in Navamsa thou. However if retrogade, then rather have the benefics in Dusthana. Otherwise my understanding is the same. Best wishes, Visti. - Zoran Radosavljevic srath ; varahamihira Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:41 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] Double negatives principle Jaya Jagannath!I understood the following as general principle, please correct me if Iam wrong:1. Neecha Papas in kendras are good unless Rx2. Uchch Papas in kendras are not good unless Rx3. Neecha Shubhas in dusthanas are good unless Rx and aspected by papas4.Uchacha Shubhas in dustnas are not good unless RxIs this correct? I will verify through chartsBest wishes,Zoran--Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru of Shri Jagannath Vedic CentreEmail address: ahimsa ahimsaweb address: http://www.sjvc.co.yuCell Phone: 38163793182OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 Dear Visti, I understand that this is general rule.. Actually, I do not like debilitated grahas in 10th house of karma.. Each debilitation must leave some dosha and bad avasta..I agree that they may give some humble bahviour and monetary benefits, but cannot accept that graha would do good in a holistic manner to an owner of the chart. I have seen lots of mess in the lives of people having neecha guru in 6th house even though monetary benefits were huge..Dhi shakti or some very fine energy of guru was missing.. Actually, bad or good are relative values, aren't they?. What you say about Navamsa is much appropriate.. Classic texts are emphatetic that neecha grahas in navamsa are bad even though good in rashi... It is dharma.. Visti Larsen wrote: Vyam Vysadevaya Namah-----------------------------Dear Zoran,Debilitated Malefics and/or benefics are good in tenth house.Rather avoid Malefics in 10th in Navamsa thou.However if retrogade, then rather have the benefics in Dusthana.Otherwise my understanding is the same. Best wishes, Visti. - Zoran Radosavljevic srath ; varahamihira Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:41 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] Double negatives principle Jaya Jagannath! I understood the following as general principle, please correct me if I am wrong: 1. Neecha Papas in kendras are good unless Rx 2. Uchch Papas in kendras are not good unless Rx 3. Neecha Shubhas in dusthanas are good unless Rx and aspected by papas 4.Uchacha Shubhas in dustnas are not good unless Rx Is this correct? I will verify through charts Best wishes, Zoran -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Guru of Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre Email address: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Cell Phone: 38163793182 OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Files: varahamihira varahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2002 Report Share Posted February 6, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Zoran, Good and bad are relative to what the LAGNA says. Thus, judge the goodness and evil based on Lagna. If a planet is in Lagna and its bitter enemy is exalted in Kendra..So, judge these things ratherthan trying to define rules. I will give an example. In the attached chart, everyone predicted troubles and evil during the vimsottari dasa of Saturn & Rahu antar started from the Moon. i did not have time to check the lagna Vimsottari, but based on the planetary positions clearly stated that the period would be a fantastic Rajyoga. Note the position of rahu in debility in the tenth as Jupiter is dominant in Lagna. My words proved true. He met the Prime Minister and a host of ministers and was on the national TV! Beyond all dreams and expectations - this was rajyoga of a very high order.With best wishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com - Zoran Radosavljevic srath ; varahamihira Tuesday, February 05, 2002 9:11 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] Double negatives principle Jaya Jagannath!I understood the following as general principle, please correct me if Iam wrong:1. Neecha Papas in kendras are good unless Rx2. Uchch Papas in kendras are not good unless Rx3. Neecha Shubhas in dusthanas are good unless Rx and aspected by papas4.Uchacha Shubhas in dustnas are not good unless RxIs this correct? I will verify through chartsBest wishes,Zoran--Zoran RadosavljevicJyotish Guru of Shri Jagannath Vedic CentreEmail address: ahimsa ahimsaweb address: http://www.sjvc.co.yuCell Phone: 38163793182OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Jaya Jagannath! Dear Sanjay, > Dear Zoran,Good and bad are relative to what the LAGNA says. Thus, > judge the goodness and evil based on Lagna. If a planet is in Lagna > and its bitter enemy is exalted in Kendra..So, judge these things > ratherthan trying to define rules. I will give an example.In the > attached chart, everyone predicted troubles and evil during the > vimsottari dasa of Saturn & Rahu antar started from the Moon. i did > not have time to check the lagna Vimsottari, but based on the > planetary positions clearly stated that the period would be a > fantastic Rajyoga. Note the position of rahu in debility in the tenth > as Jupiter is dominant in Lagna. My words proved true. He met the > Prime Minister and a host of ministers and was on the national TV! > Beyond all dreams and expectations - this was rajyoga of a very high > order. > > ZORAN: This chart is indicatative of Yoga. Atma and Pitrukarak in > lagna and 5th, and shani holds shukra as atma with good Yoga of Shukra > and Guru in Lagna.. so I would agree thet shani period is very good > for succes. Shani is further togehter with Mangal 10th lord in 5th > house another Yoga... Rahu in debility is indeed placed in 11th from > chandra, and is unafflicted in 10th house as another lagna lord. > Shukra and Guru are in Nakshatra of Rahu, so they would strongly > manifest in Rahu vimshotari periods.. Thus, what you said is very > true. I am not saying that your words are wrong, but cannot simply > assign the beneficience of Rahu due to its being enemy and neecha for > guru who is placed in Lagna. Further, is rahu really so good? What > about marriage and marital front? > Best wishes, > Zoran -- Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Guru of Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre Email address: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Cell Phone: 38163793182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2002 Report Share Posted February 7, 2002 Dear Gurus I am not happy with the result of this thread. There seem to be too many contradictions I do not understand, eg Gurudev says Jp (NB= natural benefic) retro in 8 (dusthan)= very malefic (benefic if not retro, ie retro reverses disposition, ignoring other factors like conjunctions, aspects, lordship, etc). OTOH elsewhere, Gurudev or Visti stated: Retro & Deb [NB in Dustan or NM in kendra/ kon]= blessing from past life ( & vice versa), & there were references to Shri Ram's & Travolta's chart, etc etc. For greater clarity for myself, could I just summarise the elements of all this, & let you check the final status of things, emerging out of all this: 1. Effect on a) its OWN disposition (BOTH natural & functional) vs b) on significations of house placed in: a) Effect on own disposition: For both natural & functional (N & F) benefics & malefics (B & M), placement in good (kendra/ kon) vs bad (dusthan) houses= strength vs weakness in relevant disposition, except gradual improvement in upachayas. Eg FM in dusthan= its maleficience weakened (VRY if also....). Exception: 10 is a particularly strong house, where ANY planet whether NB or NM, whether exalted or debilitated, would be benign in its house ruled & natural signification, tho (see next), its effect on 10 would be as per its natural disposition. b) Effect on house's significations: Natural disposition prevails, subject to its dignity (own, etc) These cd be different wrt Lagna (for chart's strength as a whole) vs its house ruled (specifically). 2. Retrograde: unresolved past-life issue: manifests as delay in results, perverted focus OR denial, & strength in relevant disposition as found by all other factors. 3. Exalted vs Debilitated (ignoring all bhangas): Exaltn= strength in relevant disposition= potential & satisfaction. Deb= denial, so craving/ desire. So for wealth related matters: both are same, as craving leads to desire ot achieve it. Navamsa: generally navamsa status prevails, if opposite to Rashi. 4. Combust: weakness (NOT reversal of disposition) of house ruled & little effect on house occupied, & EXTERNAL natural significations (eg relative, limb, etc), but NOT internal signification (eg Mc= intelligence). Given the above elements, can I surmise the following: (Bn/ Ml= benefic/ malefic) Xlt-in Kd/Kon Xlt-in Dus Deb in Kd/kon Deb in Dus NB Bn Ml Weak Bn Bn NM Ml Ml Bn Ml Elsewhere, I also read that subject to lordship & placement: NM deb placed in any type of house is generally Bn, while for NBs, exaltation/ deb is irrelevant (same). (????) Now, if any of the above is also Retro, in MOST cases, it only strengthens the relevant disposition. But I find too many contradictory statements for individual cells of the above table, from various messages in the 3 Lists we belong to. Total confusion, when we add Retro to all this. The postings by Visti, Zoran & Gurudev this time around, vs earlier postings & example charts on the SAME matters just have too MANY contradictions, for me to try & enumerate them here. In some cases, it REVERSES, sometimes ACCENTUATES. Am not even trying to add the result of combustion on top of all this. I know, that rules are, & will be, rules, & that a combo of everything is what matters ultimately, in a context. But unless one knows the basic elements, how can a student COMBINE them for a given context. Meditation is supposed to help, but with my hyper-active mind, it has so far been useless, ever since I attempted it since I joined the varahamihira List a couple of months back. I also await answers to combustion of Mc & Mn: summarised below: Combustion of Mc (dir) & Ve (retro): Should we decrease the classically prescribed zones of 14* & 8* (some use 4* & 2*) as they are always in 29*/ 47* to the Sn. Also, as Mc's natural disposition is essentially dependent on its association, whould one ignore Sn's conjunction to it & concentrate on the harsher natural malefics for Mc ( & what if malefic Mn associates with Mc?) Mn's natural disposition: many opinions: a) waxing vs waning= Bn vs Ml, b) 5th or 8th day on either side of New Moon= malefic, c) association with malefic planets+ phase (as defined by a or b). Another unresolved thing: whether all this is ONLY for disposition, & strength is to be seen from other normal indicators (as for all other planets, eg kendra placement), or whether a Mn which is malefic by phase & / or association, is also simultaneously weak.Best wishes Nandan Download exciting Logos, Picture Messages Ringtones for your mobile phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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