Guest guest Posted March 19, 2002 Report Share Posted March 19, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Pranaam Gurudev! I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. Pranaam Sarajit Sports - live college hoops coverage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear sarajit I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajit poddar varahamihira Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama Krsna Pranaam Gurudev! I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. Pranaam Sarajit Sports - live college hoops coverage OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2002 Report Share Posted March 21, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------------- Dear Sarajit, Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself. Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely. As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata. Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah------------------------Dear sarajit I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajit poddar varahamihira Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama Krsna Pranaam Gurudev! I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. Pranaam Sarajit Sports - live college hoops coverage OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Gurudev! Suka nadi suggested that wearing a Pusparaga (Topaz or yellow saphhire) lessens the evil shown by Rahu in 9th. The principle behind this can be that Jupiter is one of the Karaka for 9th. But the issue here is that, why Jupiter's stone and why not Sun's stone who is again anothere karaka for 9th? I presume that the nadi didn't suggest Sun's stone such as Ruby, might be bacause Sun could further beat him up, if made strong. I am Visualising a situation where as dying man is further beaten up... What will be his avastha!!! Here the planet whose stone is prescribed must be behaving as the saviour. The generalised principe for Upaya of a Marana karaka planet could be: 1. Wearing the stone of the karaka of the house where a planet is placed in Marana Karaka Avastha. 2. Wear Lagna lord's stone if the lagna lord is in Marana Karaka avastha or the paka Lagna lord is in Marana Karaka Avastha (latter being the worst). However the first upaya can give a list of multiple stones as there are more than one karaka for most of the houses. Which one to chose? The key to understanding this lies in understanding, why Maharshi Suka didn't suggest Sun's stone for Rahu in 9th? I am just thinking what upaya can work (with first principle) if Sun is debilitated in the 12th for Scorpio Lagna. According to the principle, wearing a Blue Saphhire or Neelam shall help. However we see here that Saturn is a trisadaya (3rd) lord, Enemy of the lagna lord and also inimical towards Sun. Can we still wear a Neelam? Anyway, as per your illustration that for Chandrastama Neelam helps, shows that the first principle for Upaya holds some ground as Saturn is the karaka for 8th house. Pranaam Sarajit varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear sarajit > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that > you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to > ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka > sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's? > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > sarajit poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Pranaam Gurudev! > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. > Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to > upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with > the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the > tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example > of that. > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka > planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I > interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying > hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in > retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a > curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka > avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the > chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. > > Pranaam > > Sarajit > > > > > > -- -------- > ---- > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Aum Gurave Namah Dear Sarajit - If a Graha is in Maran Karan Sthana, what it lacks is Prana - shouldn't this be the upaya for the same. regards manpreet Hare Rama Krishna > > sarajitp [sarajitp] > Friday, March 22, 2002 12:07 PM > varahamihira > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > Hare Rama Krsna > Dear Gurudev! > > Suka nadi suggested that wearing a Pusparaga (Topaz or yellow > saphhire) lessens the evil shown by Rahu in 9th. The principle behind > this can be that Jupiter is one of the Karaka for 9th. But the issue > here is that, why Jupiter's stone and why not Sun's stone who is > again anothere karaka for 9th? > > I presume that the nadi didn't suggest Sun's stone such as Ruby, > might be bacause Sun could further beat him up, if made strong. I am > Visualising a situation where as dying man is further beaten up... > What will be his avastha!!! Here the planet whose stone is prescribed > must be behaving as the saviour. > > The generalised principe for Upaya of a Marana karaka planet could be: > > 1. Wearing the stone of the karaka of the house where a planet is > placed in Marana Karaka Avastha. > > 2. Wear Lagna lord's stone if the lagna lord is in Marana Karaka > avastha or the paka Lagna lord is in Marana Karaka Avastha (latter > being the worst). > > However the first upaya can give a list of multiple stones as there > are more than one karaka for most of the houses. Which one to chose? > The key to understanding this lies in understanding, why Maharshi > Suka didn't suggest Sun's stone for Rahu in 9th? > > I am just thinking what upaya can work (with first principle) if Sun > is debilitated in the 12th for Scorpio Lagna. According to the > principle, wearing a Blue Saphhire or Neelam shall help. However we > see here that Saturn is a trisadaya (3rd) lord, Enemy of the lagna > lord and also inimical towards Sun. Can we still wear a Neelam? > > Anyway, as per your illustration that for Chandrastama Neelam helps, > shows that the first principle for Upaya holds some ground as Saturn > is the karaka for 8th house. > > > Pranaam > Sarajit > > > varahamihira, " Sanjay Rath " <srath@v...> wrote: > > > > om gurave namah > > ------------------------ > > Dear sarajit > > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. > Good that > > you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also > something to > > ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana > Karaka > > sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's? > > With best wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > - > > sarajit poddar > > varahamihira > > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > Pranaam Gurudev! > > > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of > Planets. > > Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy > and fail to > > upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this > happens with > > the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one > of the > > tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living > example > > of that. > > > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of > maranakaraka > > planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. > Can I > > interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is > trying > > hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that > benefics in > > retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is > this a > > curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in > maranakaraka > > avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also > suffer...Does the > > chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. > > > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to > learn a lot. > > > > Pranaam > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -------- > > ---- > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Visti! Well said, there is a tie from last birth when the planet is retrograde, otherwise why does it show show much of Chesta Bala. Moreover, when we talk of curses and blessings, aren't we talking of past birth. So you are correct in saying that retrogressing has some tie up with the past life. Even when you say that the inherited dharma destroys the part of life, I shall understand this as the house owned, the chara and naisargika karakatwa of Rahu shall suffer annihlation. What could be the cause.... again the clue is from past karma... Anyway, what we are now ... everything is from past karma.... what we will be shall be seen from the present karma... . But as this is haoppening in the rasi chart, can't it be that the dharma done in this present life is giving Rahu a good beating, the planet of Adharma. Ponder! As of Remedies, this is a well known fact that if something is related to AK, the only solution is ISTA. But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde. All the best Sarajit varahamihira, " Visti Larsen " <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > ---------------- > Dear Sarajit, > Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself. > > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely. > > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata. > > Best wishes, Visti. > - > Sanjay Rath > varahamihira > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear sarajit > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's? > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > sarajit poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Pranaam Gurudev! > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. > > Pranaam > > Sarajit > > > > > > -- ---------- > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Files: varahamihira > varahamihira/database > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 varahamihira, " Visti Larsen " <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > ---------------- > Dear Sarajit, > Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself. > > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely. > > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata. > > Best wishes, Visti. > - > Sanjay Rath > varahamihira > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > > om gurave namah > ------------------------ > Dear sarajit > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's? > With best wishes > Sanjay Rath > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > - > sarajit poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Pranaam Gurudev! > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. > > Pranaam > > Sarajit > > > > > > -- ---------- > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Files: varahamihira > varahamihira/database > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 om gurave namah --------------- Dear Sarajit, You Wrote: > But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde. I think we have established that Jupiter in Marana Sthana would present challenges to the native based on its Natural & Functional significations. The fact that its retrograde, indicates that he will be constantly dealing with the above problems and can become the focus of his life till he crosses the 30's(Sade-Sathi) or the natural age of the planet when maturity, experience and free-will ultimately helps him conquer the challenge. Jupiter being the significator of intelligence would make this native constantly analyzing things from various perspective, never satisfied with any explanations etc, the positive side to this could make the native explore all avenues pertaining to the challenges they face! Jupiter also being Lagna lord and 4L causes him to constantly grapple with issues related to self-confidence and his propensity to be pleased(Happiness-4H) with anything. Jupiter in 3H is opposing the 9H which he is the natural significator of. So the native could have an averesion/strong skepticism to religion and other significations of Jupiter early on in life. The fact that it is Retrograde is basically a blessing in disguise as it haunts them to continually revist these issues, makes them look at their challenges in a different light, and then the native gets consumed by them. Depending on the configuration of other planets, the native may or may not succeed in overcoming these challenges. The fact we are talking about Jupiter also indicates that Guru's guidance will be the saving grace. My 2 cents. Regards Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Om Shri Gurave Namah, Dear Jyotishas, Doesn't retrogression also reverse the indications, so here Guru would indicate the apposite of marana sthana i.e like in 9th house. Thus indicating respect for elders and good higher knowledge?. Being the Lagna lord Guru now has a chesta for 9th house. Lagna lord in 9th house makes one very independent and Vishnu bhakta?. Regards S.Prabhakaran - iyergroups varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 11:00 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah---------------Dear Sarajit,You Wrote:> But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde.I think we have established that Jupiter in Marana Sthana would present challenges to the native based on its Natural & Functional significations. The fact that its retrograde, indicates that he will be constantly dealing with the above problems and can become the focus of his life till he crosses the 30's(Sade-Sathi) or the natural age of the planet when maturity, experience and free-will ultimately helps him conquer the challenge.Jupiter being the significator of intelligence would make this native constantly analyzing things from various perspective, never satisfied with any explanations etc, the positive side to this could make the native explore all avenues pertaining to the challenges they face! Jupiter also being Lagna lord and 4L causes him to constantly grapple with issues related to self-confidence and his propensity to be pleased(Happiness-4H) with anything.Jupiter in 3H is opposing the 9H which he is the natural significator of. So the native could have an averesion/strong skepticism to religion and other significations of Jupiter early on in life. The fact that it is Retrograde is basically a blessing in disguise as it haunts them to continually revist these issues, makes them look at their challenges in a different light, and then the native gets consumed by them. Depending on the configuration of other planets, the native may or may not succeed in overcoming these challenges. The fact we are talking about Jupiter also indicates that Guru's guidance will be the saving grace.My 2 cents.RegardsNarayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2002 Report Share Posted March 22, 2002 Dear Gurus, Let me add my chart in this category. Mercury(5th and 8th Lord) is retrograde in the 7th house(Marana Karaka Stana). Aug 12, 1978 19:26 +5:30 GMT 78e29, 15n30 Best Regards, Venkateswara Reddy. > Dear Gurus > > You may want to see Solai's chart. He also has Jupiter Retro & in > maran karak sthan, tho it is not lagna lord. He has 3 planets in > maran-karak-sthan, for that matter. > > Maybe Sarajit's & Solai's charts together, could explain something. > > To Solai Guru: I am waiting for the right meditative moment to see > your chart properly. I tried a few days back, but got very confused. > Also waiting for Narayan Iyer's & Visti's comments on my 1st reading > on their charts. Then I will see yours. I want to only see these 3 > charts for the next few months, in as much detail as I am capable of. > Maybe then, I will start learning. > > Pranams > > Nandan > varahamihira, " sarajitp " <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > > Hare Rama Krsna > > Dear Visti! > > > > Well said, there is a tie from last birth when the planet is > > retrograde, otherwise why does it show show much of Chesta Bala. > > Moreover, when we talk of curses and blessings, aren't we talking > of > > past birth. So you are correct in saying that retrogressing has > some > > tie up with the past life. > > > > Even when you say that the inherited dharma destroys the part of > > life, I shall understand this as the house owned, the chara and > > naisargika karakatwa of Rahu shall suffer annihlation. What could > be > > the cause.... again the clue is from past karma... Anyway, what we > > are now ... everything is from past karma.... what we will be shall > > be seen from the present karma... . But as this is haoppening in > > the rasi chart, can't it be that the dharma done in this present > life > > is giving Rahu a good beating, the planet of Adharma. Ponder! > > > > As of Remedies, this is a well known fact that if something is > > related to AK, the only solution is ISTA. > > > > But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde. > > > > All the best > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira, " Visti Larsen " <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > ---------------- > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate > > some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to > > this tie the graha will destroy itself. > > > > > > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited > Dharma > > destroys a part of life completely. > > > > > > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK > and > > in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha > > Devata. > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > - > > > Sanjay Rath > > > varahamihira > > > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM > > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > ------------------------ > > > Dear sarajit > > > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures > > now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha > > is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones > > for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all > > Graha's? > > > With best wishes > > > Sanjay Rath > > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > > - > > > sarajit poddar > > > varahamihira > > > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka > Planets > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > Pranaam Gurudev! > > > > > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha > of > > Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all > > energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own > > house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart > > suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The > health > > suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. > > > > > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of > > maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or > > will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet > > who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. > > Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of > > curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some > > elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the > > naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the > chara > > karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. > > > > > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to > > learn a lot. > > > > > > Pranaam > > > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- -- > -- > > ---------- > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > Files: varahamihira > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Sanjay and Narayan! Thanks a lot for putting forth your valuable insights. This shall be my second attempt to write my answer. In my first attempt I wrote a detailed response touching subtleties of various things, however somehow my browser got swithched of... may be retrograde jupiter in action and saturn (Jupiter's Dispositor) is also showing its colour. This happened at 10:15 AM. Just thinking, that the day is ruled by Saturn and Kala is ruled by Rahu!!! (Opposes Jupiter's Ayana of doing astrology.... Oh God!) and the hora by Venus? I have many things to say here, which I shall do later.... I can't take out too much time from my office hrs.. Regards Sarajit varahamihira, Sanjay Prabhakaran <sprabhakaran@s...> wrote: > Om Shri Gurave Namah, > Dear Jyotishas, > Doesn't retrogression also reverse the indications, so here Guru would indicate the apposite > of marana sthana i.e like in 9th house. Thus indicating respect for elders and good higher knowledge?. > Being the Lagna lord Guru now has a chesta for 9th house. Lagna lord in 9th house makes one very > independent and Vishnu bhakta?. > Regards > S.Prabhakaran > - > iyergroups > varahamihira > Friday, March 22, 2002 11:00 AM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets > > > om gurave namah > --------------- > > Dear Sarajit, > > > You Wrote: > > But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde. > > I think we have established that Jupiter in Marana Sthana would > present challenges to the native based on its Natural & Functional > significations. > > The fact that its retrograde, indicates that he will be constantly > dealing with the above problems and can become the focus of his life > till he crosses the 30's(Sade-Sathi) or the natural age of the > planet when maturity, experience and free-will ultimately helps him > conquer the challenge. > > > Jupiter being the significator of intelligence would make this > native constantly analyzing things from various perspective, never > satisfied with any explanations etc, the positive side to this could > make the native explore all avenues pertaining to the challenges > they face! Jupiter also being Lagna lord and 4L causes him to > constantly grapple with issues related to self-confidence and his > propensity to be pleased(Happiness-4H) with anything. > > Jupiter in 3H is opposing the 9H which he is the natural > significator of. So the native could have an averesion/strong > skepticism to religion and other significations of Jupiter early on > in life. The fact that it is Retrograde is basically a blessing in > disguise as it haunts them to continually revist these issues, makes > them look at their challenges in a different light, and then the > native gets consumed by them. > > Depending on the configuration of other planets, the native may or > may not succeed in overcoming these challenges. The fact we are > talking about Jupiter also indicates that Guru's guidance will be > the saving grace. > > My 2 cents. > > Regards > Narayan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Hello friends, I also have Saturn (retro) in lagna and Rahu in 9th! Both are co-lords of aquarius (3H) and Ketu is in 3H. I don't have any siblings. Some connection? Regards, Lakshmi venkateshwara_reddy <venkateshwara_reddy wrote: Dear Gurus,Let me add my chart in this category. Mercury(5th and 8th Lord) is retrograde in the 7th house(Marana Karaka Stana).Aug 12, 197819:26 +5:30 GMT78e29, 15n30Best Regards,Venkateswara Reddy.> Dear Gurus> > You may want to see Solai's chart. He also has Jupiter Retro & in > maran karak sthan, tho it is not lagna lord. He has 3 planets in > maran-karak-sthan, for that matter. > > Maybe Sarajit's & Solai's charts together, could explain something.> > To Solai Guru: I am waiting for the right meditative moment to see > your chart properly. I tried a few days back, but got very confused. > Also waiting for Narayan Iyer's & Visti's comments on my 1st reading > on their charts. Then I will see yours. I want to only see these 3 > charts for the next few months, in as much detail as I am capable of. > Maybe then, I will start learning.> > Pranams> > Nandan> varahamihira, "sarajitp" <sarajitp@h...> wrote:> > Hare Rama Krsna> > Dear Visti!> > > > Well said, there is a tie from last birth when the planet is > > retrograde, otherwise why does it show show much of Chesta Bala. > > Moreover, when we talk of curses and blessings, aren't we talking > of > > past birth. So you are correct in saying that retrogressing has > some > > tie up with the past life.> > > > Even when you say that the inherited dharma destroys the part of > > life, I shall understand this as the house owned, the chara and > > naisargika karakatwa of Rahu shall suffer annihlation. What could > be > > the cause.... again the clue is from past karma... Anyway, what we > > are now ... everything is from past karma.... what we will be shall > > be seen from the present karma... . But as this is haoppening in > > the rasi chart, can't it be that the dharma done in this present > life > > is giving Rahu a good beating, the planet of Adharma. Ponder!> > > > As of Remedies, this is a well known fact that if something is > > related to AK, the only solution is ISTA.> > > > But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde.> > > > All the best> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > varahamihira, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> > > ----------------> > > Dear Sarajit,> > > Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate > > some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to > > this tie the graha will destroy itself.> > > > > > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited > Dharma > > destroys a part of life completely.> > > > > > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK > and > > in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha > > Devata.> > > > > > Best wishes, Visti.> > > - > > > Sanjay Rath > > > varahamihira > > > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM> > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah> > > ------------------------> > > Dear sarajit> > > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures > > now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha > > is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones > > for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all > > Graha's?> > > With best wishes> > > Sanjay Rath> > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> > > - > > > sarajit poddar > > > varahamihira > > > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM> > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka > Planets> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna> > > > > > Pranaam Gurudev!> > > > > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha > of > > Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all > > energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own > > house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart > > suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The > health > > suffers miserably... I am a living example of that.> > > > > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of > > maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or > > will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet > > who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. > > Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of > > curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some > > elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the > > naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the > chara > > karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha.> > > > > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to > > learn a lot.> > > > > > Pranaam> > > > > > Sarajit> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> > ----------> > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > > > > > OM TAT SAT> > > Archive: varahamihira> > > Files: varahamihira> > > varahamihira/database> > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Hare Rama Krsna Dear lakshmi, Please give your birth details so that we can make some analysis, we need to check out what are the natural karakatwa of the Marana Karana Planets also. Moreover the 3rd and 11th house from Arudha Lagna too. All the best Sarajit varahamihira, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote: > > Hello friends, > I also have Saturn (retro) in lagna and Rahu in 9th! Both are co- lords of aquarius (3H) and Ketu is in 3H. I don't have any siblings. Some connection? > Regards, > Lakshmi > venkateshwara_reddy <venkateshwara_reddy> wrote: Dear Gurus, > Let me add my chart in this category. Mercury(5th and 8th Lord) is > retrograde in the 7th house(Marana Karaka Stana). > > Aug 12, 1978 > 19:26 +5:30 GMT > 78e29, 15n30 > > Best Regards, > Venkateswara Reddy. > > > Dear Gurus > > > > You may want to see Solai's chart. He also has Jupiter Retro & in > > maran karak sthan, tho it is not lagna lord. He has 3 planets in > > maran-karak-sthan, for that matter. > > > > Maybe Sarajit's & Solai's charts together, could explain something. > > > > To Solai Guru: I am waiting for the right meditative moment to see > > your chart properly. I tried a few days back, but got very > confused. > > Also waiting for Narayan Iyer's & Visti's comments on my 1st > reading > > on their charts. Then I will see yours. I want to only see these 3 > > charts for the next few months, in as much detail as I am capable > of. > > Maybe then, I will start learning. > > > > Pranams > > > > Nandan > > varahamihira, " sarajitp " <sarajitp@h...> wrote: > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > Dear Visti! > > > > > > Well said, there is a tie from last birth when the planet is > > > retrograde, otherwise why does it show show much of Chesta Bala. > > > Moreover, when we talk of curses and blessings, aren't we talking > > of > > > past birth. So you are correct in saying that retrogressing has > > some > > > tie up with the past life. > > > > > > Even when you say that the inherited dharma destroys the part of > > > life, I shall understand this as the house owned, the chara and > > > naisargika karakatwa of Rahu shall suffer annihlation. What could > > be > > > the cause.... again the clue is from past karma... Anyway, what > we > > > are now ... everything is from past karma.... what we will be > shall > > > be seen from the present karma... . But as this is haoppening > in > > > the rasi chart, can't it be that the dharma done in this present > > life > > > is giving Rahu a good beating, the planet of Adharma. Ponder! > > > > > > As of Remedies, this is a well known fact that if something is > > > related to AK, the only solution is ISTA. > > > > > > But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > > > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde. > > > > > > All the best > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira, " Visti Larsen " <vlarsen@h...> wrote: > > > > Vyam Vysadevaya Namah > > > > ---------------- > > > > Dear Sarajit, > > > > Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would > indicate > > > some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due > to > > > this tie the graha will destroy itself. > > > > > > > > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited > > Dharma > > > destroys a part of life completely. > > > > > > > > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK > > and > > > in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha > > > Devata. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > > > - > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > varahamihira > > > > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM > > > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of > Maranakaraka > > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om gurave namah > > > > ------------------------ > > > > Dear sarajit > > > > I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures > > > now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the > graha > > > is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of > stones > > > for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for > all > > > Graha's? > > > > With best wishes > > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com > > > > Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm > > > > Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/ > > > > SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ > > > > - > > > > sarajit poddar > > > > varahamihira > > > > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM > > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka > > Planets > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna > > > > > > > > Pranaam Gurudev! > > > > > > > > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha > > of > > > Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of > all > > > energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their > own > > > house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart > > > suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The > > health > > > suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. > > > > > > > > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of > > > maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala > or > > > will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the > planet > > > who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. > > > Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of > > > curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some > > > elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the > > > naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the > > chara > > > karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. > > > > > > > > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have > to > > > learn a lot. > > > > > > > > Pranaam > > > > > > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------- -- > -- > > -- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > > Files: varahamihira > > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Sarajit, My birth details are 1st Sept 1960, 3:25 pm, Hyderabad. Regards, Lakshmi sarajitp <sarajitp wrote: Hare Rama KrsnaDear lakshmi,Please give your birth details so that we can make some analysis, we need to check out what are the natural karakatwa of the Marana Karana Planets also. Moreover the 3rd and 11th house from Arudha Lagna too.All the bestSarajitvarahamihira, lakshmi ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh> wrote:> > Hello friends,> I also have Saturn (retro) in lagna and Rahu in 9th! Both are co-lords of aquarius (3H) and Ketu is in 3H. I don't have any siblings. Some connection?> Regards,> Lakshmi OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ----------- Dear Sarajit & List, Remember Gurudevas writings about the Saptamsa chart. There was only 1 graha, lording the child, that could survive in the 6th house, and that was Venus which would cause premature delivery. This inturn is also its Marana Karaka Sthana, so what does this tell us? I have seen some charts with people having lagna lord in Marana Karaka Sthana, and as a result, they must face trials related to the indications of the Graha, only to become stronger in the end.. These happen in the begining of life. Best wishes, Visti. - sarajitp varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 8:13 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama KrsnaDear Visti!Well said, there is a tie from last birth when the planet is retrograde, otherwise why does it show show much of Chesta Bala. Moreover, when we talk of curses and blessings, aren't we talking of past birth. So you are correct in saying that retrogressing has some tie up with the past life.Even when you say that the inherited dharma destroys the part of life, I shall understand this as the house owned, the chara and naisargika karakatwa of Rahu shall suffer annihlation. What could be the cause.... again the clue is from past karma... Anyway, what we are now ... everything is from past karma.... what we will be shall be seen from the present karma... . But as this is haoppening in the rasi chart, can't it be that the dharma done in this present life is giving Rahu a good beating, the planet of Adharma. Ponder!As of Remedies, this is a well known fact that if something is related to AK, the only solution is ISTA.But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde.All the bestSarajitvarahamihira, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> ----------------> Dear Sarajit,> Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself.> > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely.> > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata.> > Best wishes, Visti.> - > Sanjay Rath > varahamihira > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > > om gurave namah> ------------------------> Dear sarajit> I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?> With best wishes> Sanjay Rath> Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> - > sarajit poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > Pranaam Gurudev!> > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that.> > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha.> > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot.> > Pranaam> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Files: varahamihira> varahamihira/database> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Prabhakaran, No you cannot stretch things like this. retrogression of a natural benefic in a dusthana aspected by malefics is even more evil. Its chara Karakatwa can be hit badly.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Sanjay Prabhakaran varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 10:21 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Om Shri Gurave Namah, Dear Jyotishas, Doesn't retrogression also reverse the indications, so here Guru would indicate the apposite of marana sthana i.e like in 9th house. Thus indicating respect for elders and good higher knowledge?. Being the Lagna lord Guru now has a chesta for 9th house. Lagna lord in 9th house makes one very independent and Vishnu bhakta?. Regards S.Prabhakaran - iyergroups varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 11:00 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah---------------Dear Sarajit,You Wrote:> But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord > Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde.I think we have established that Jupiter in Marana Sthana would present challenges to the native based on its Natural & Functional significations. The fact that its retrograde, indicates that he will be constantly dealing with the above problems and can become the focus of his life till he crosses the 30's(Sade-Sathi) or the natural age of the planet when maturity, experience and free-will ultimately helps him conquer the challenge.Jupiter being the significator of intelligence would make this native constantly analyzing things from various perspective, never satisfied with any explanations etc, the positive side to this could make the native explore all avenues pertaining to the challenges they face! Jupiter also being Lagna lord and 4L causes him to constantly grapple with issues related to self-confidence and his propensity to be pleased(Happiness-4H) with anything.Jupiter in 3H is opposing the 9H which he is the natural significator of. So the native could have an averesion/strong skepticism to religion and other significations of Jupiter early on in life. The fact that it is Retrograde is basically a blessing in disguise as it haunts them to continually revist these issues, makes them look at their challenges in a different light, and then the native gets consumed by them. Depending on the configuration of other planets, the native may or may not succeed in overcoming these challenges. The fact we are talking about Jupiter also indicates that Guru's guidance will be the saving grace.My 2 cents.RegardsNarayanOM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Sarajit, List the options - add Solai's chart and come to me for discussions next week. I am too busy this weekend with the Jyotish Digest circulation. the response to the first issue is fantastic. Hard work pays. Thanks to all the great astrologers in these lists, my small dream seems to have taken shape.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajitp varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 12:45 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets varahamihira, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> ----------------> Dear Sarajit,> Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself.> > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely.> > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata.> > Best wishes, Visti.> - > Sanjay Rath > varahamihira > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > > om gurave namah> ------------------------> Dear sarajit> I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?> With best wishes> Sanjay Rath> Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> - > sarajit poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > Pranaam Gurudev!> > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that.> > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha.> > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot.> > Pranaam> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Files: varahamihira> varahamihira/database> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear sarajit You gave some blue sapphire for Sun in 12th for Scorpio lagna. I think you have missed my specific readings for Saraswati in such a chart. Please check the mail for the past week for the exchanges and you will see the accuracy of the Narayana Dasa and the remedy given.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajitp varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 12:07 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama KrsnaDear Gurudev!Suka nadi suggested that wearing a Pusparaga (Topaz or yellow saphhire) lessens the evil shown by Rahu in 9th. The principle behind this can be that Jupiter is one of the Karaka for 9th. But the issue here is that, why Jupiter's stone and why not Sun's stone who is again anothere karaka for 9th?I presume that the nadi didn't suggest Sun's stone such as Ruby, might be bacause Sun could further beat him up, if made strong. I am Visualising a situation where as dying man is further beaten up... What will be his avastha!!! Here the planet whose stone is prescribed must be behaving as the saviour.The generalised principe for Upaya of a Marana karaka planet could be:1. Wearing the stone of the karaka of the house where a planet is placed in Marana Karaka Avastha.2. Wear Lagna lord's stone if the lagna lord is in Marana Karaka avastha or the paka Lagna lord is in Marana Karaka Avastha (latter being the worst).However the first upaya can give a list of multiple stones as there are more than one karaka for most of the houses. Which one to chose? The key to understanding this lies in understanding, why Maharshi Suka didn't suggest Sun's stone for Rahu in 9th?I am just thinking what upaya can work (with first principle) if Sun is debilitated in the 12th for Scorpio Lagna. According to the principle, wearing a Blue Saphhire or Neelam shall help. However we see here that Saturn is a trisadaya (3rd) lord, Enemy of the lagna lord and also inimical towards Sun. Can we still wear a Neelam?Anyway, as per your illustration that for Chandrastama Neelam helps, shows that the first principle for Upaya holds some ground as Saturn is the karaka for 8th house.PranaamSarajitvarahamihira, "Sanjay Rath" <srath@v...> wrote:> > om gurave namah> ------------------------> Dear sarajit> I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that> you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to> ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka> sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?> With best wishes> Sanjay Rath> Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> -> sarajit poddar> varahamihira> Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > Pranaam Gurudev!> > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets.> Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to> upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with> the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the> tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example> of that.> > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka> planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I> interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying> hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in> retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a> curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka> avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the> chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha.> > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot.> > Pranaam> > Sarajit> > > > > > ----------> ----> > Sports - live college hoops coverage> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Visti The Yellow sapphire is not going to affect Rahu directly. Think - you have the ability as your answer indicates.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Visti Larsen varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 3:09 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------------- Dear Sarajit, Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself. Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely. As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata. Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah------------------------Dear sarajit I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajit poddar varahamihira Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama Krsna Pranaam Gurudev! I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. Pranaam Sarajit Sports - live college hoops coverage OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2002 Report Share Posted March 23, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------- Dear Gurudeva, Can Tantra be enough for saving the dharma? If i were to choose, i would give Mantra of Dharma Devata.. in most cases, as Rahu causes the eclipse of the Sun, and satya is spoilt.. Hence to avoid the Aditya-Chandala, i would go for Dharma Devata. For Saturn in 9th, then i would look to Gurudevata, as theres lack of guidance(Jupiter). Hows my thinking? Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:10 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah------------------------Dear Visti The Yellow sapphire is not going to affect Rahu directly. Think - you have the ability as your answer indicates.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Visti Larsen varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 3:09 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------------- Dear Sarajit, Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself. Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely. As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata. Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah------------------------Dear sarajit I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajit poddar varahamihira Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama Krsna Pranaam Gurudev! I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. Pranaam Sarajit Sports - live college hoops coverage OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2002 Report Share Posted March 24, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Visti Who is killing whom - who is in pain and who is being pacified with the stone. What real effect will such a stone have? With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Visti Larsen varahamihira Sunday, March 24, 2002 12:29 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------- Dear Gurudeva, Can Tantra be enough for saving the dharma? If i were to choose, i would give Mantra of Dharma Devata.. in most cases, as Rahu causes the eclipse of the Sun, and satya is spoilt.. Hence to avoid the Aditya-Chandala, i would go for Dharma Devata. For Saturn in 9th, then i would look to Gurudevata, as theres lack of guidance(Jupiter). Hows my thinking? Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Saturday, March 23, 2002 2:10 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah------------------------Dear Visti The Yellow sapphire is not going to affect Rahu directly. Think - you have the ability as your answer indicates.With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Visti Larsen varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 3:09 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ---------------- Dear Sarajit, Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself. Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely. As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata. Best wishes, Visti. - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets om gurave namah------------------------Dear sarajit I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - sarajit poddar varahamihira Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama Krsna Pranaam Gurudev! I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that. However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha. Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot. Pranaam Sarajit Sports - live college hoops coverage OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2002 Report Share Posted March 24, 2002 om gurave namah------------------------Dear Visti Brilliant. yes Venus is an exception for this matter as he alone was successful in the tremendous tapasya that gave the Mritunjaya Mantra. Venus (Sukracharya) deserved it - as was predicted by Krishna. Thus diamond is a must for people with Venus in Marana Karaka sthana. The Mritunjaya mantra is activated. If Venus is lord of Lagna, then such people are very strong internally and have a rare ability to "rise from the dead", 'to come out of the worst crisis even if they are buried 10 feet under the ground! That is the power of the Tapaswi Yoga. With best wishesSanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.comServices: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htmJyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/ - Visti Larsen varahamihira Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:00 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ----------- Dear Sarajit & List, Remember Gurudevas writings about the Saptamsa chart. There was only 1 graha, lording the child, that could survive in the 6th house, and that was Venus which would cause premature delivery. This inturn is also its Marana Karaka Sthana, so what does this tell us? I have seen some charts with people having lagna lord in Marana Karaka Sthana, and as a result, they must face trials related to the indications of the Graha, only to become stronger in the end.. These happen in the begining of life. Best wishes, Visti. - sarajitp varahamihira Friday, March 22, 2002 8:13 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets Hare Rama KrsnaDear Visti!Well said, there is a tie from last birth when the planet is retrograde, otherwise why does it show show much of Chesta Bala. Moreover, when we talk of curses and blessings, aren't we talking of past birth. So you are correct in saying that retrogressing has some tie up with the past life.Even when you say that the inherited dharma destroys the part of life, I shall understand this as the house owned, the chara and naisargika karakatwa of Rahu shall suffer annihlation. What could be the cause.... again the clue is from past karma... Anyway, what we are now ... everything is from past karma.... what we will be shall be seen from the present karma... . But as this is haoppening in the rasi chart, can't it be that the dharma done in this present life is giving Rahu a good beating, the planet of Adharma. Ponder!As of Remedies, this is a well known fact that if something is related to AK, the only solution is ISTA.But my query is still unanswered. How to interpret Lagna lord Jupiter, placed in the 3rd, being retrograde.All the bestSarajitvarahamihira, "Visti Larsen" <vlarsen@h...> wrote:> Vyam Vysadevaya Namah> ----------------> Dear Sarajit,> Surely a Retrogade Graha In Marana Karaka Sthana, would indicate some tie to the past life, that hasn't been removed yet. And due to this tie the graha will destroy itself.> > Thats why Rahu in 9th can be so severe, where the inherited Dharma destroys a part of life completely.> > As for remedies, we cannot give Gem remedies if say Rahu is AK and in 9th house.. then surely theres only one option and thats Istha Devata.> > Best wishes, Visti.> - > Sanjay Rath > varahamihira > Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:56 PM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > > om gurave namah> ------------------------> Dear sarajit> I have been purposely discussing this topic over two lectures now. Good that you started pondering. How to give life to the graha is also something to ponder about. While Suka nadi talks of stones for Rahu in Marana Karaka sthana, is this universally true for all Graha's?> With best wishes> Sanjay Rath> Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com> Services: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com/zservices.htm> Jyotish Digest: http://jyotishdigest.com/> SJVC: http://www.sjvc.org/> - > sarajit poddar > varahamihira > Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:51 AM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Retrogression of Maranakaraka Planets> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > Pranaam Gurudev!> > I have been pondering over the issue of Marana Karaka avastha of Planets. Infact the planets in this avasthat are sapped out of all energy and fail to upheld the resposibility of protecting their own house. If this happens with the Lagna lord, then the whole chart suffers badly as Lagna is one of the tripod of human life. The health suffers miserably... I am a living example of that.> > However I am thinking, how to interpret retrogression of maranakaraka planet. Retrogression shows tremendous chesta bala or will power. Can I interpret the situation, in a way that the planet who is dying is trying hard to save the houses ruled by him. Moreover. I know that benefics in retrogression show some kind of curse, in my case this is Guru (is this a curse from Guru or some elders). Morever when a planet is in maranakaraka avastha, the naisargik karakatwa of that planet shall also suffer...Does the chara karakatwa also suffer because of this avastha.> > Please help me out with how to interpret this. I know I have to learn a lot.> > Pranaam> > Sarajit> > > > > > > > Sports - live college hoops coverage > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Files: varahamihira> varahamihira/database> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2002 Report Share Posted March 26, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------ Dear Gurudeva, Namaste. Who is killing whom - Visti: Adam is being lured into eating the apple, and hence causing the killing himself. who is in pain Visti: The house lorded by Rahu. and who is being pacified with the stone. Visti: Adams willingness to conform to the snakes ideals, is being pacified. What real effect will such a stone have? Visti: He won't touch or eat the apple.. he may think about it thou. So far? Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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