Review Cumulative Basics before MaranaKaraka Article

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Dear Sarajit

 

Well, you are salivating at the daunting prospect of writing an article

on a planet in a) marankaraksthan AND b) retro AND c) debilitated/

exalted AND d) in kendra/kon vs Dusthan. You've got guts! And I also

understand, that Zoran has ALREADY written on this COMPLICATED affair.

 

Could I request, that in your article, you FIRST address how you take

on EACH effect as it cumulates. My background for basic confusion:

 

a) Visti says a benefic debilitated retrograde in dusthan is a blessing

from a past life vs Gurudev says, Jupiter debilitated retrograde in

dusthan is a horror.

b) while most effects are cumulative in astrology, some REVERSE (double

negative), & it is difficult to figure out which.

c) let us ignore the special cases & exceptions eg neechbhanga & viprit

yogs, for THIS element-definition/ interpretation purpose. Let us also

ignore that ALL the constituent effects manifest in different ways.

Lets first see the elemental definitions

 

Could I review here what is generally acceptable, step by step. Could

someone knowledgeable correct this first, before you add on

maranakarakasthan to this. Could someone do this necessary correction

patiently, for all our benefit?

 

A) SINGLE EFFECTS, WITHOUT ANY COMPLICATIONS: (only SMS used is

NB/NM/FB/FM= natural & functional, benefics & malefics, where

functional= by lordship. wrt= with respect to. Good vs bad places are

kendra/kon vs dusthan):

 

1. Effect on own NATURAL signification: BOTH NBs & NMs are good in good

places & bad in bad places. Eg Saturn in 10 = persistence at work.

 

2. Effect on its functional signification: BOTH FBs & FMs are strong vs

weak, in good vs bad places, in their respective FUNCTIONAL

disposition. Eg irrespective of whether NB or NM, 5th lord in 6= weak

in its good 5th lordship. Eg 6th lord in 10= strong in its malefic

lordship. I know one is straining to think about the effect of dignity

here (own/ exalted/ debilitated), avastha (eg retrograde), that

original natural disposition also manifests. But could we have some

patience & go slowly, & check yes or no, basically.

 

3. Effect on signification of house aspected/ occupied: NB vs NM,

irrespective of lordship, would be benefic vs malefic in ANY house.

Remember, the heading in this para, is the signification of the house,

not the planet.

 

B) DIGNITY (ie Sign placement):

 

1. Occupy/ aspect Own house: strong & beneficial for significations of

THIS house, irrespective of natural or functional disposition. We are

NOT talking here about the significations of the planet (natural or

functional, or about the effect on other houses aspected by this planet

in own house, all of which would still be as per previous heading: Pl

CONFIRM this).

 

2. Vargottam: Only a much stronger form of the above, ie not

necessarily benefic for ALL significations.

 

3. Exalted/ Debilitated: both natural & functional significations of

planet, good or bad, is strengthened if exalted, weakened if

debilitated. Eg an exalted Saturn or 6th lord would be very bad in ANY

house placed, wrt its natural or 6th lordship signification, whereas

the signification of the house placed, would be as per earlier rules,

only strengthened/ weakened (xlt vs deb).

 

C) Relative influence of Dignity rules (covered as set B) versus Basic

rules (covered as set A):

 

1. For significations of the planet (natural & lordship), its

House-placement (set A) is MORE important than sign placement (set B)

effects.

 

2. For significations of the occupied house, set B (dignity) > A

(house-rules).

 

So, well-placed debilitated FB= weak benefic (NOT malefic) for

signification of house placed, tho strong benefic for house owned (lets

ignore kendrapatidosh & other complications; lets get the basics right

first!), tho, to lesser degree than if it were not debilitated. FB

exalted in dusthan is totally useless (too weak) for house owned, tho

still benefic; AND it is a weak benefic for signification of house

placed (exaltation does not help it much, as house-placement is more

important an effect).

 

So exalted Saturn as 4th lord in 6: a) very malefic wrt Saturn's

significations, tho weakened, b) very benign wrt significations of 4,

tho weakened, c) very malefic wrt health (6).

 

So far, EXCEPT FOR NEECHBHANGA, which is unexplained from the above,

there is NO EXCEPTION BASICALLY, (Even VRY is explained in rule A 2).

And more important, in terms of what this exercise is also about, there

is NO REVERSAL due to double negatives, only a cumulative effect, & a

differentiation in terms of the 3 different significations.

 

D) If we agree so far, now, lets now review some of the a) cumulative

vs b) opposing influences: ie the 8 cases of a) NB/NM placed b) in

kendra/kon vs dusthan, as c) exalted vs debilitated, as given in the

List so far:

 

1. Cumulative (ie more of the same, ie " markatasya surapanam, tasya

vrishchik danshanam, tanmadhye bhoota sancharo, yadya tadya

vawhishyati " :

a) NB in kendra/kon= great, whether exalted/debilitated (tho

beneficience weakened marginally if debilitated).

b) NM in dusthan= very bad, whether debilitated/ exalted (tho sting

REDUCED if debilitated: is this correct?).

c) NM exalted in kendra/kon: very bad

 

2. Reversal: WHY?

a) NB: exalted in dusthan: very bad: house-placement effect seems to

over-ride & REVERSE its disposition

b) NB: debilitated in dusthan: very good: ???

c) NM: debilitated in kendra/kon: very good: ???

Why? These 3 cases dont seem to conclude from ANY of the logic we have

arrived at so far. Then, what is wrong in any of the logic so far?

 

We are now still to see avastha (except Dignity already covered): esp

the important ones such as a) retrogradeness, b) combustion, c) sandhi,

d) MaranaKarakaSthan. I would have ASSUMED that these only modify the

above rules. BUT some seem to REVERSE them, ie the Retro ones. But let

me first get a comment on whether so far is OK, before venturing on the

cumulative effect of these factors.

 

Pranams

 

Nandan

 

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Dear Nandan,

 

You wrote:

a) Visti says a benefic debilitated retrograde in dusthan is a blessing from a past life vs Gurudev says, Jupiter debilitated retrograde industhan is a horror.

 

Visti: If you had read carefully, Gurudev stated that Jupiter Retrogade in a Dusthana, whilst afflicted by Malefics was a horror.. No mention of debilitation.

 

Gurudev has also stated in the past, that a Retrogade & debilitated benefic in Dusthana, can shows a blessing from Past life. Its similar to a Vipareet Raja Yoga of sorts.

 

Source: Read his Interview; http://sjvc.org/People/rath_interview.htm

 

Best wishes, Visti.

[Guest guest]

Dear Nandan,

 

>

> Well, you are salivating at the daunting prospect of writing an article

> on a planet in a) marankaraksthan AND b) retro AND c) debilitated/

> exalted AND d) in kendra/kon vs Dusthan. You've got guts! And I also

> understand, that Zoran has ALREADY written on this COMPLICATED affair.

>

 

Yes it is complicated. Therefore, all different angles and practical

examples would serve well to throw more light on that field.

 

> Could I request, that in your article, you FIRST address how you take

> on EACH effect as it cumulates. My background for basic confusion:

> a) Visti says a benefic debilitated retrograde in dusthan is a blessing

> from a past life vs Gurudev says, Jupiter debilitated retrograde in

> dusthan is a horror.

>

 

Yes.. Vakra Guru in neecha should be afflicted by malefics in dusthan to

give horror results.

 

>

> Could I review here what is generally acceptable, step by step. Could

> someone knowledgeable correct this first, before you add on

> maranakarakasthan to this. Could someone do this necessary correction

> patiently, for all our benefit?

>

> A) SINGLE EFFECTS, WITHOUT ANY COMPLICATIONS: (only SMS used is

> NB/NM/FB/FM= natural & functional, benefics & malefics, where

> functional= by lordship. wrt= with respect to. Good vs bad places are

> kendra/kon vs dusthan):

>

> 1. Effect on own NATURAL signification: BOTH NBs & NMs are good in good

> places & bad in bad places. Eg Saturn in 10 = persistence at work.

>

 

Natural benefic promotes houses significations while Natural malefics

damage

house significations. That is the first basic step

 

>

> 2. Effect on its functional signification: BOTH FBs & FMs are strong vs

> weak, in good vs bad places, in their respective FUNCTIONAL

> disposition. Eg irrespective of whether NB or NM, 5th lord in 6= weak

> in its good 5th lordship. Eg 6th lord in 10= strong in its malefic

> lordship. I know one is straining to think about the effect of dignity

> here (own/ exalted/ debilitated), avastha (eg retrograde), that

> original natural disposition also manifests. But could we have some

> patience & go slowly, & check yes or no, basically.

>

 

Bad adhipatya- lordship will damage the karkatwa of the house where

placed.

The basic point is that SOCIOLOGICAL and PHYSIOLOGICAL aspects of bhavas

tend to get damaged first both in cases of natural malefics and

functional

malefics(lords of bad houses). For example. Lord of 8th house placed in

4th

would firstly damage mother and chest(heart) area, apart from other

significations of 4th house. IF in the process, chandra or matrukaraka

is

afflicted that can be said for sure.

 

>

> 3. Effect on signification of house aspected/ occupied: NB vs NM,

> irrespective of lordship, would be benefic vs malefic in ANY house.

> Remember, the heading in this para, is the signification of the house,

> not the planet.

>

 

Correct

 

>

> B) DIGNITY (ie Sign placement):

>

> 1. Occupy/ aspect Own house: strong & beneficial for significations of

> THIS house, irrespective of natural or functional disposition. We are

> NOT talking here about the significations of the planet (natural or

> functional, or about the effect on other houses aspected by this planet

> in own house, all of which would still be as per previous heading: Pl

> CONFIRM this).

>

 

Each graha whether benefic or malefic would protect his own house by

placement or dristi(aspect). Look at this in this way. Evil man would

never

destroy his home..

Yet there is a difference. When malefic graha aspects/ occupies its own

house, it would damage SOCIOLOGICAL and PHYSIOLOGICAL aspect of the

house.

For instance, Shani in 5th house in own sign would give Grief to

children

and possibility of hard work, obstacles and some chronic disorders given

by

shani, even though shani is in own sign. Yet its high dignity would give

strength to children to resist thouse evils. Abdominal and mental

problems

would also be seen, more so if there are some additional influences on

shani

(by papas)

 

>

> 2. Vargottam: Only a much stronger form of the above, ie not

> necessarily benefic for ALL significations.

>

 

Vasrghotam position would just STRENGTHEN the graha position (for good

or

bad) in Rashi Chart. This has comfirmation from Rashi-Tulya Navamsa

tehnique.

 

>

> 3. Exalted/ Debilitated: both natural & functional significations of

> planet, good or bad, is strengthened if exalted, weakened if

> debilitated. Eg an exalted Saturn or 6th lord would be very bad in ANY

> house placed, wrt its natural or 6th lordship signification, whereas

> the signification of the house placed, would be as per earlier rules,

> only strengthened/ weakened (xlt vs deb).

>

 

I do not think so. I feel that exaltation (the best mood of graha) would

promote better karkatwa of graha, better karakatwa of its lorship. I

think

that exaltation gives both strength and auspiciousness even in case of

natural malefics. Exalted Mangal would act like a steel, while low

dignity

mangal may act as a raw iron..

 

>

> C) Relative influence of Dignity rules (covered as set B) versus Basic

> rules (covered as set A):

>

> 1. For significations of the planet (natural & lordship), its

> House-placement (set A) is MORE important than sign placement (set B)

> effects.

>

 

Sign gives dignity and some avastas( deeptadhi and baaladhi), while

house

placement would decide on the personal infleunce of graha in native's

life.

Remember that houses are individual manifestation of Kaal Purush within

an

individual life

 

>

> 2. For significations of the occupied house, set B (dignity) > A

> (house-rules).

>

> So, well-placed debilitated FB= weak benefic (NOT malefic) for

> signification of house placed, tho strong benefic for house owned (lets

> ignore kendrapatidosh & other complications; lets get the basics right

> first!), tho, to lesser degree than if it were not debilitated. FB

> exalted in dusthan is totally useless (too weak) for house owned, tho

> still benefic; AND it is a weak benefic for signification of house

> placed (exaltation does not help it much, as house-placement is more

> important an effect).

>

 

Yes it is true. Yet if graha is exalted in dusthan it would have more

strength to fight with the dusthan.. Debilitated graha in kendra even

when

regained strength, it still has some dosha(impurity) which will affect

sociological and physiological aspects of graha, house placement and its

rulership

These rules are basic. They are subject to further " advanced " rules

Best wishes,

Zoran

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Zoran Radosavljevic

Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre

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