Guest guest Posted May 7, 2002 Report Share Posted May 7, 2002 Namaste Sanjay ji, Here is my attempt on the assignment on ‘Phonemes’. While going throufgh this lesson, I understood that the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes will get altered by pronunciation. Therefore, while working out the ‘phoneme’ values, I have given more weightage to pronunciation, than mere spellings. [ I have posted a separate mail - in SJVC - in this connection, seeking some clarifications]. Also, although not specifically mentoned in the lesson, it appears that value ‘1’ denoted ‘FIXED’, which is also used my Narsihma ji in his response. I hope & trust that my understanding is correct – I request you to confirm it. With sincere regards, Shailesh Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai SO + LA +(Y)I 3, Dual OR SO + LAI 2, Moveable (ii) Phyllis PHY + LLI + S(S) 3, Dual (iii) Phyl PHY + L(A) 2, Moveable (iv) Narasimha NA+RA+SI+MHA 4, Fix (v) Robert RO + BE + RT 3, Dual (vi) Patraka PA + TRA + KA 3, Dual (vii) Brendan BRE + NDA + N(A) 3, Dual (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. WILLIAM = WI + LLIA + M(1) 3, Dual BILL = BI + LL(A) 2, Movable Bill Clinton’s Lagna is CN, a moveable sign and phenomic value of “BILL”, i.e. 2 also indicates moveable. Thus the name ‘BILL’ is in harmony with lagna. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country – examine India & Bharat or any other example. INDIA = I + NDI + A 3, Dual BHARAT = BHA + RA + T(A) 3, Dual HINDUSTAN = HI + NDU +STA + N(A) 4, Fix [since, phonemic values of India and Bharat are same, I have used the third name ‘Hindustan’ for comparison purpose.] The phonemic value of ‘India’ & ‘Bharat’, indicates that ‘dual’ rasis are stronger whereas ‘Hindustan’ name indicates that ‘fix’ rasis are stronger. Since ‘dual’ rasis have much higher energy level, the first two names indicate higher dynamism. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om|na|mo| bha|ga|va|te| va|su|de|vaa|ya| = 12 (b) Om| na|mo| Naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8 © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (i) Om| na|mah| Shi|vaa|ya| = 6 (ii) Na|mah| Si|vaa|ya| = 5, This is correct. (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah (i) Om| na|mo |naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8, This is correct (ii) Om| hreem| naa|ra|ya|na|ya| na|mah| = 9 (iii) Om| na|mo |na|raa|ya|na|ya |na|mah| = 10 - Sanjay Rath sjvc Cc: Varahamihira Monday, May 06, 2002 10:14 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question Om Gurave Namah------------------------Dear Valerie, perfectly fine. They who shall speak their mind truthfully shall be able to learn, and you fit into this category..Akshara means syllables and phoneme as well. In the present context, it means phoneme or sounds created by the coming together of two or more syllables. The number of such phoneme in any name is very important. Lets take a look at your name..Valerie. Now, we braek this into the syllables - va, a, la, ae, ra and e. Of these syllables, va and a combine to give the long form vaa which is one phoneme. la and ae combine to give the long phoneme lae and ra & e combine to give the phoneme re. Thus, you have 3 phonemes in your name. Now, the rule: If there are 2 phoneme, the movable signs are strong, 3 phonemes, dual signs are strong and 4 phonemes shows that the fixed signs are strong. This rule has been extensively used in naming purposes in ancient India where the number of syllables in a name would depend on the strongest sign in a chart. Both Sri Ram and His younger brother Bharat had very strong ascendants.So, their names were based on their Lagna promising undying fame. India is named Bhaarat and this land is always serving /worshipping Sri Ram just as His brother had done so many years back. Now, Rama has two phonemes Ra & Ma showing that the movable signs were strong and this was true for Ram as His ascendant was Cancer (Movable). The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra & Ta indicating strong dual signs. Bharat's ascendant was Pisces (Dual sign). Even if you do not know sanskrit, you can still learn this procedure easily. The simple steps are as follows: STEP 1: Write the name (in english) and draw vertical lines over the vowels (a, e, i, o, u). However, if the name starts or ends with one or more vowels, then do not draw a vertical line over these vowels. STEP 2: If two lines are adjacent to each other then, rub out or cut one line. STEP 3: Count the number of segments created. This is the number of phoneme. In the final analysis, the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes should not be altered in the mantra by an incorrect pronunciation. So long as this does not happen, the error is not perceivable and perfection comes through practise of mantra japa. Beejakshara and Kutas are slightly more complicated as the consonants 'M' or 'T' ending the words are also to be considered as vowels. Example: 1. Determine the numebr of phoneme in the name VALERIE. Step 1: Draw vertical lines over 'A' (between V & L) and E (between L & E). Lines cannot be drawn over I & E at the end of the name. Step 2: None of the lines are adjacent Step 3: Three segments are formed by two lines (normally the number of segments = number of lines + 1). Thus there are 3 phonemes making the dual signs strong. 2. Determine the number of phoneme in the name SANJAY Step 1: Draw vertical lines over A (between S & N) and A (between J & Y). Step 2: none of the lines are adjacent. Step 3: 2 lines and hence, 3 segments are formed. 3 phones indicates strong dual signs. Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai (ii) Phyllis (iii) Phyl (iv) Narasimha (v) Robert (vi) Patraka (vii) Brendan (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine (i) India & Bharat or any other example. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya (b) Om namo Naarayanaya © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah Best Regards,Sanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear sailesh PLEASE READ MY LESSON AGAIN and then attempt this. don't make your own rules. I have seen that you reply too fast without even considering. Look at what I taught, and that too gave an example, and yet you have made errors. Bharat or Bhaarata will still give 3 akshara. try the rules carefully and tell me. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - " Shailesh " <scchadha " varahamihira " <varahamihira > Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:22 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Assignment Namaste Sanjay ji, Here is my attempt on the assignment on 'Phonemes'. While going throufgh this lesson, I understood that the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes will get altered by pronunciation. Therefore, while working out the 'phoneme' values, I have given more weightage to pronunciation, than mere spellings. [ I have posted a separate mail - in SJVC - in this connection, seeking some clarifications]. Also, although not specifically mentoned in the lesson, it appears that value '1' denoted 'FIXED', which is also used my Narsihma ji in his response. I hope & trust that my understanding is correct - I request you to confirm it. With sincere regards, Shailesh Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai SO + LA +(Y)I 3, Dual OR SO + LAI 2, Moveable (ii) Phyllis PHY + LLI + S(S) 3, Dual (iii) Phyl PHY + L(A) 2, Moveable (iv) Narasimha NA+RA+SI+MHA 4, Fix (v) Robert RO + BE + RT 3, Dual (vi) Patraka PA + TRA + KA 3, Dual (vii) Brendan BRE + NDA + N(A) 3, Dual (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. WILLIAM = WI + LLIA + M(1) 3, Dual BILL = BI + LL(A) 2, Movable Bill Clinton's Lagna is CN, a moveable sign and phenomic value of " BILL " , i.e. 2 also indicates moveable. Thus the name 'BILL' is in harmony with lagna. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine India & Bharat or any other example. INDIA = I + NDI + A 3, Dual BHARAT = BHA + RA + T(A) 3, Dual HINDUSTAN = HI + NDU +STA + N(A) 4, Fix [since, phonemic values of India and Bharat are same, I have used the third name 'Hindustan' for comparison purpose.] The phonemic value of 'India' & 'Bharat', indicates that 'dual' rasis are stronger whereas 'Hindustan' name indicates that 'fix' rasis are stronger. Since 'dual' rasis have much higher energy level, the first two names indicate higher dynamism. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om|na|mo| bha|ga|va|te| va|su|de|vaa|ya| = 12 (b) Om| na|mo| Naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8 © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (i) Om| na|mah| Shi|vaa|ya| = 6 (ii) Na|mah| Si|vaa|ya| = 5, This is correct. (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah (i) Om| na|mo |naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8, This is correct (ii) Om| hreem| naa|ra|ya|na|ya| na|mah| = 9 (iii) Om| na|mo |na|raa|ya|na|ya |na|mah| = 10 - Sanjay Rath sjvc Cc: Varahamihira Monday, May 06, 2002 10:14 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear Valerie, perfectly fine. They who shall speak their mind truthfully shall be able to learn, and you fit into this category..Akshara means syllables and phoneme as well. In the present context, it means phoneme or sounds created by the coming together of two or more syllables. The number of such phoneme in any name is very important. Lets take a look at your name..Valerie. Now, we braek this into the syllables - va, a, la, ae, ra and e. Of these syllables, va and a combine to give the long form vaa which is one phoneme. la and ae combine to give the long phoneme lae and ra & e combine to give the phoneme re. Thus, you have 3 phonemes in your name. Now, the rule: If there are 2 phoneme, the movable signs are strong, 3 phonemes, dual signs are strong and 4 phonemes shows that the fixed signs are strong. This rule has been extensively used in naming purposes in ancient India where the number of syllables in a name would depend on the strongest sign in a chart. Both Sri Ram and His younger brother Bharat had very strong ascendants.So, their names were based on their Lagna promising undying fame. India is named Bhaarat and this land is always serving /worshipping Sri Ram just as His brother had done so many years back. Now, Rama has two phonemes Ra & Ma showing that the movable signs were strong and this was true for Ram as His ascendant was Cancer (Movable). The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra & Ta indicating strong dual signs. Bharat's ascendant was Pisces (Dual sign). Even if you do not know sanskrit, you can still learn this procedure easily. The simple steps are as follows: STEP 1: Write the name (in english) and draw vertical lines over the vowels (a, e, i, o, u). However, if the name starts or ends with one or more vowels, then do not draw a vertical line over these vowels. STEP 2: If two lines are adjacent to each other then, rub out or cut one line. STEP 3: Count the number of segments created. This is the number of phoneme. In the final analysis, the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes should not be altered in the mantra by an incorrect pronunciation. So long as this does not happen, the error is not perceivable and perfection comes through practise of mantra japa. Beejakshara and Kutas are slightly more complicated as the consonants 'M' or 'T' ending the words are also to be considered as vowels. Example: 1. Determine the numebr of phoneme in the name VALERIE. Step 1: Draw vertical lines over 'A' (between V & L) and E (between L & E). Lines cannot be drawn over I & E at the end of the name. Step 2: None of the lines are adjacent Step 3: Three segments are formed by two lines (normally the number of segments = number of lines + 1). Thus there are 3 phonemes making the dual signs strong. 2. Determine the number of phoneme in the name SANJAY Step 1: Draw vertical lines over A (between S & N) and A (between J & Y). Step 2: none of the lines are adjacent. Step 3: 2 lines and hence, 3 segments are formed. 3 phones indicates strong dual signs. Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai (ii) Phyllis (iii) Phyl (iv) Narasimha (v) Robert (vi) Patraka (vii) Brendan (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine (i) India & Bharat or any other example. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya (b) Om namo Naarayanaya © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2002 Report Share Posted May 9, 2002 Respected Sanjay ji, Namaste, I am sorry but I am confused by your response. Except that, instead of lines, "|", I have used plus sign, "+", I have not deviated from your lesson or the rules enunciated by you. I have also compared my responses with those of others, and I find that they more or less tally with what you have mentioned as 'RIGHT', except in case of 'SOLAI' where I have considered two different ways in which this word can be pronounced.. So, I humbly request you to indicate to me where I have deviated from the lesson, or your teachings. Even the instance of 'BHARAT' cited by you, my answer [iNDIA = I + NDI + A 3, Dual] is same as what you have mentioned [The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra & Ta]- in fact on this point, I had sought Narasimha Guru's clarification as to why & how he arrived at the value of 2, instead of 3. May I request you to please go through my answers once again and point out my errors. With sincere regards, Shailesh - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:26 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Assignment Om Gurave Namah------------------------Dear saileshPLEASE READ MY LESSON AGAIN and then attempt this. don't make your own rules. I have seen that you reply too fast without even considering. Look at what I taught, and that too gave an example, and yet you have made errors. Bharat or Bhaarata will still give 3 akshara. try the rules carefully and tell me.Best Regards,Sanjay RathWeb: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com----- Original Message -----"Shailesh" <scchadha"varahamihira " <varahamihira >Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:22 PMRe: [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - AssignmentNamaste Sanjay ji,Here is my attempt on the assignment on 'Phonemes'.While going throufgh this lesson, I understood that the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes will get altered by pronunciation.Therefore, while working out the 'phoneme' values, I have given more weightage to pronunciation, than mere spellings. [ I have posted a separate mail - in SJVC - in this connection, seeking some clarifications].Also, although not specifically mentoned in the lesson, it appears that value '1' denoted 'FIXED', which is also used my Narsihma ji in his response.I hope & trust that my understanding is correct - I request you to confirm it.With sincere regards,ShaileshAssignment:1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences:(a) (i) Solai SO + LA +(Y)I 3, Dual OR SO + LAI 2, Moveable(ii) Phyllis PHY + LLI + S(S) 3, Dual(iii) Phyl PHY + L(A) 2, Moveable(iv) Narasimha NA+RA+SI+MHA 4, Fix(v) Robert RO + BE + RT 3, Dual(vi) Patraka PA + TRA + KA 3, Dual(vii) Brendan BRE + NDA + N(A) 3, Dual(b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. WILLIAM = WI + LLIA + M(1) 3, Dual BILL = BI + LL(A) 2, MovableBill Clinton's Lagna is CN, a moveable sign and phenomic value of "BILL", i.e. 2 also indicates moveable. Thus the name 'BILL' is in harmony with lagna.© What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine India & Bharat or any other example.INDIA = I + NDI + A 3, DualBHARAT = BHA + RA + T(A) 3, DualHINDUSTAN = HI + NDU +STA + N(A) 4, Fix[since, phonemic values of India and Bharat are same, I have used the third name 'Hindustan' for comparison purpose.]The phonemic value of 'India' & 'Bharat', indicates that 'dual' rasis are stronger whereas 'Hindustan' name indicates that 'fix' rasis are stronger.Since 'dual' rasis have much higher energy level, the first two names indicate higher dynamism.2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om|na|mo| bha|ga|va|te| va|su|de|vaa|ya| = 12 (b) Om| na|mo| Naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8 © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (i) Om| na|mah| Shi|vaa|ya| = 6 (ii) Na|mah| Si|vaa|ya| = 5, This is correct.(d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah (i) Om| na|mo |naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8, This is correct (ii) Om| hreem| naa|ra|ya|na|ya| na|mah| = 9 (iii) Om| na|mo |na|raa|ya|na|ya |na|mah| = 10 - Sanjay Rath sjvc Cc: Varahamihira Monday, May 06, 2002 10:14 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear Valerie, perfectly fine. They who shall speak their mind truthfully shall be able to learn, and you fit into this category..Akshara means syllables and phoneme as well. In the present context, it means phoneme or sounds created by the coming together of two or more syllables. The number of such phoneme in any name is very important. Lets take a look at your name..Valerie. Now, we braek this into the syllables - va, a, la, ae, ra and e. Of these syllables, va and a combine to give the long form vaa which is one phoneme. la and ae combine to give the long phoneme lae and ra & e combine to give the phoneme re. Thus, you have 3 phonemes in your name. Now, the rule: If there are 2 phoneme, the movable signs are strong, 3 phonemes, dual signs are strong and 4 phonemes shows that the fixed signs are strong. This rule has been extensively used in naming purposes in ancient India where the number of syllables in a name would depend on the strongest sign in a chart. Both Sri Ram and His younger brother Bharat had very strong ascendants.So, their names were based on their Lagna promising undying fame. India is named Bhaarat and this land is always serving /worshipping Sri Ram just as His brother had done so many years back. Now, Rama has two phonemes Ra & Ma showing that the movable signs were strong and this was true for Ram as His ascendant was Cancer (Movable). The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra & Ta indicating strong dual signs. Bharat's ascendant was Pisces (Dual sign). Even if you do not know sanskrit, you can still learn this procedure easily. The simple steps are as follows: STEP 1: Write the name (in english) and draw vertical lines over the vowels (a, e, i, o, u). However, if the name starts or ends with one or more vowels, then do not draw a vertical line over these vowels. STEP 2: If two lines are adjacent to each other then, rub out or cut one line. STEP 3: Count the number of segments created. This is the number of phoneme. In the final analysis, the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes should not be altered in the mantra by an incorrect pronunciation. So long as this does not happen, the error is not perceivable and perfection comes through practise of mantra japa. Beejakshara and Kutas are slightly more complicated as the consonants 'M' or 'T' ending the words are also to be considered as vowels. Example: 1. Determine the numebr of phoneme in the name VALERIE. Step 1: Draw vertical lines over 'A' (between V & L) and E (between L & E). Lines cannot be drawn over I & E at the end of the name. Step 2: None of the lines are adjacent Step 3: Three segments are formed by two lines (normally the number of segments = number of lines + 1). Thus there are 3 phonemes making the dual signs strong. 2. Determine the number of phoneme in the name SANJAY Step 1: Draw vertical lines over A (between S & N) and A (between J & Y). Step 2: none of the lines are adjacent. Step 3: 2 lines and hence, 3 segments are formed. 3 phones indicates strong dual signs. Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai (ii) Phyllis (iii) Phyl (iv) Narasimha (v) Robert (vi) Patraka (vii) Brendan (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine (i) India & Bharat or any other example. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya (b) Om namo Naarayanaya © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear Sailesh Of course..I just got irritated due to some other pressing problems. This stupid finance business I have started is getting the better of me. I had run away from business in 1991 and my father has again lured me into this with the promise of a lot of money for my SJVC plans. This is a very painful thing and is killing me. The drig dasa is also with Rahu in my chart and I am learning some very hard lessons about relationships..na tato na mato na bandhu na bhrato...awaiting Jupiter in Pisces from next year. We discussed this today and you are fine in this exercise. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - " Shailesh " <scchadha " varahamihira " <varahamihira > Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:12 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Assignment Respected Sanjay ji, Namaste, I am sorry but I am confused by your response. Except that, instead of lines, " | " , I have used plus sign, " + " , I have not deviated from your lesson or the rules enunciated by you. I have also compared my responses with those of others, and I find that they more or less tally with what you have mentioned as 'RIGHT', except in case of 'SOLAI' where I have considered two different ways in which this word can be pronounced.. So, I humbly request you to indicate to me where I have deviated from the lesson, or your teachings. Even the instance of 'BHARAT' cited by you, my answer [iNDIA = I + NDI + A 3, Dual] is same as what you have mentioned [The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra & Ta]- in fact on this point, I had sought Narasimha Guru's clarification as to why & how he arrived at the value of 2, instead of 3. May I request you to please go through my answers once again and point out my errors. With sincere regards, Shailesh - Sanjay Rath varahamihira Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:26 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Assignment Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear sailesh PLEASE READ MY LESSON AGAIN and then attempt this. don't make your own rules. I have seen that you reply too fast without even considering. Look at what I taught, and that too gave an example, and yet you have made errors. Bharat or Bhaarata will still give 3 akshara. try the rules carefully and tell me. Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com - " Shailesh " <scchadha " varahamihira " <varahamihira > Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:22 PM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Assignment Namaste Sanjay ji, Here is my attempt on the assignment on 'Phonemes'. While going throufgh this lesson, I understood that the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes will get altered by pronunciation. Therefore, while working out the 'phoneme' values, I have given more weightage to pronunciation, than mere spellings. [ I have posted a separate mail - in SJVC - in this connection, seeking some clarifications]. Also, although not specifically mentoned in the lesson, it appears that value '1' denoted 'FIXED', which is also used my Narsihma ji in his response. I hope & trust that my understanding is correct - I request you to confirm it. With sincere regards, Shailesh Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai SO + LA +(Y)I 3, Dual OR SO + LAI 2, Moveable (ii) Phyllis PHY + LLI + S(S) 3, Dual (iii) Phyl PHY + L(A) 2, Moveable (iv) Narasimha NA+RA+SI+MHA 4, Fix (v) Robert RO + BE + RT 3, Dual (vi) Patraka PA + TRA + KA 3, Dual (vii) Brendan BRE + NDA + N(A) 3, Dual (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. WILLIAM = WI + LLIA + M(1) 3, Dual BILL = BI + LL(A) 2, Movable Bill Clinton's Lagna is CN, a moveable sign and phenomic value of " BILL " , i.e. 2 also indicates moveable. Thus the name 'BILL' is in harmony with lagna. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine India & Bharat or any other example. INDIA = I + NDI + A 3, Dual BHARAT = BHA + RA + T(A) 3, Dual HINDUSTAN = HI + NDU +STA + N(A) 4, Fix [since, phonemic values of India and Bharat are same, I have used the third name 'Hindustan' for comparison purpose.] The phonemic value of 'India' & 'Bharat', indicates that 'dual' rasis are stronger whereas 'Hindustan' name indicates that 'fix' rasis are stronger. Since 'dual' rasis have much higher energy level, the first two names indicate higher dynamism. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om|na|mo| bha|ga|va|te| va|su|de|vaa|ya| = 12 (b) Om| na|mo| Naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8 © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (i) Om| na|mah| Shi|vaa|ya| = 6 (ii) Na|mah| Si|vaa|ya| = 5, This is correct. (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah (i) Om| na|mo |naa|ra|ya|na|ya| = 8, This is correct (ii) Om| hreem| naa|ra|ya|na|ya| na|mah| = 9 (iii) Om| na|mo |na|raa|ya|na|ya |na|mah| = 10 - Sanjay Rath sjvc Cc: Varahamihira Monday, May 06, 2002 10:14 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Lesson on Phonemes - Valerie's question Om Gurave Namah ------------------------ Dear Valerie, perfectly fine. They who shall speak their mind truthfully shall be able to learn, and you fit into this category..Akshara means syllables and phoneme as well. In the present context, it means phoneme or sounds created by the coming together of two or more syllables. The number of such phoneme in any name is very important. Lets take a look at your name..Valerie. Now, we braek this into the syllables - va, a, la, ae, ra and e. Of these syllables, va and a combine to give the long form vaa which is one phoneme. la and ae combine to give the long phoneme lae and ra & e combine to give the phoneme re. Thus, you have 3 phonemes in your name. Now, the rule: If there are 2 phoneme, the movable signs are strong, 3 phonemes, dual signs are strong and 4 phonemes shows that the fixed signs are strong. This rule has been extensively used in naming purposes in ancient India where the number of syllables in a name would depend on the strongest sign in a chart. Both Sri Ram and His younger brother Bharat had very strong ascendants.So, their names were based on their Lagna promising undying fame. India is named Bhaarat and this land is always serving /worshipping Sri Ram just as His brother had done so many years back. Now, Rama has two phonemes Ra & Ma showing that the movable signs were strong and this was true for Ram as His ascendant was Cancer (Movable). The name Bharat has 3 phonemes - Bha, Ra & Ta indicating strong dual signs. Bharat's ascendant was Pisces (Dual sign). Even if you do not know sanskrit, you can still learn this procedure easily. The simple steps are as follows: STEP 1: Write the name (in english) and draw vertical lines over the vowels (a, e, i, o, u). However, if the name starts or ends with one or more vowels, then do not draw a vertical line over these vowels. STEP 2: If two lines are adjacent to each other then, rub out or cut one line. STEP 3: Count the number of segments created. This is the number of phoneme. In the final analysis, the pronunciation is vital as the number of phonemes should not be altered in the mantra by an incorrect pronunciation. So long as this does not happen, the error is not perceivable and perfection comes through practise of mantra japa. Beejakshara and Kutas are slightly more complicated as the consonants 'M' or 'T' ending the words are also to be considered as vowels. Example: 1. Determine the numebr of phoneme in the name VALERIE. Step 1: Draw vertical lines over 'A' (between V & L) and E (between L & E). Lines cannot be drawn over I & E at the end of the name. Step 2: None of the lines are adjacent Step 3: Three segments are formed by two lines (normally the number of segments = number of lines + 1). Thus there are 3 phonemes making the dual signs strong. 2. Determine the number of phoneme in the name SANJAY Step 1: Draw vertical lines over A (between S & N) and A (between J & Y). Step 2: none of the lines are adjacent. Step 3: 2 lines and hence, 3 segments are formed. 3 phones indicates strong dual signs. Assignment: 1. Determine the number of phonemes in the following names & give your inferences: (a) (i) Solai (ii) Phyllis (iii) Phyl (iv) Narasimha (v) Robert (vi) Patraka (vii) Brendan (b) (i) Bill (ii) William and indicate the advantage of using the name Bill in the chart of Bill Clinton. © What is the impact of the two different names for a country - examine (i) India & Bharat or any other example. 2. Determine the number of phonemes in the following mantra: (a) Om namo bhagavate vasudevaaya (b) Om namo Naarayanaya © Which is the correct Shiva Panchakshari (pancha means FIVE & Akshara means phoneme) Mantra (i) Om namah Shivaaya OR (ii) Namah Sivaaya (d) Which is the correct Vishnu astakshari mantra? Hint (Ashta means eight & akshara means phoneme) (i) Om namo naarayanaya OR (ii) Om hreem naarayanaya namah OR (iii) Om namo naraayanaya namah Best Regards, Sanjay Rath Web: http://sanjayrath.tripod.com OM TAT SAT Archive: varahamihira Files: varahamihira varahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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