Upapada from Lagna, Moon and Sun! (Updated v1)

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Vyam VedaVyasaaya Namah

 

 

 

Dear List, Namaste.

I am attaching the UPDATED online discussion headed by Gurudeva on the subject of the Upapada.

 

The main theme of the discussion is the emancipation of the body, mind and soul, hence final emancipation.

 

The discussion isn't completely over, and a compilation of the future discussions will no doubt follow.

 

Happy Reading.

Best wishes, Visti.

p.s. See you online .

 

 

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Hi, thanx

in_joy_i_scream: g'day lakshmi

sanjayrath: strange as to why everything is so slow in India..guess sani is not

gone

in_joy_i_scream: lol, good guess

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yesterday it was hari, jothi and jkd in the conf.

in_joy_i_scream: ok we can invite more, let me invite everyone i can

b_lakshmi_ramesh: 23rd july is not far off

sanjayrath: How is Jothi? Hows her job front?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: still bad. she's looking out for one in B'lore.

in_joy_i_scream: Lakshmi can i please have Jothi's ID?

in_joy_i_scream: welcome Sri

b_lakshmi_ramesh: jothsana, i think

sri999: Thank you !!!!

in_joy_i_scream: thx lakshmi

sri999: Pranamas Sanjaya

sanjayrath: I hope you offer a flower for me lakshmi..Balaji likes sweet

fragrances and lotus is His favorite

sri999: JI

in_joy_i_scream:

sanjayrath: Namaskar..why does your name shw as sri999?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: i'll get thomaala pooja done early in the morning on next

wednesday

sri999: Actually I wanted to name sri9

sanjayrath: Thanks lakshmi..remember thise flowers and look for the lakshana

carefully like a good jyotish. It can rain slightly..

sri999: since 9 is my lucky number

sri999: but already sri9

sri999: & sri99

sri999: were existing had to choose 999

sanjayrath: How did yu get Mars as being lucky for you?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yours too? 9 is also my lucky no.

sri999: sri in sanskrit means spider....goddess lakshmi & auspisious

sri999: etc......sri has many meanings in sanskrit

sanjayrath: Come on Lakshmi, your ninth lord is the Sun, so how did you get 9?

in_joy_i_scream: isn't mars you AK Lakshmi?

sri999: astrology is based on 9 planets

sri999:

b_lakshmi_ramesh: the month is sept so 9, my house no is 18, whatever i did on

9th i always succeeded. ofcourse, so is the case with 1.

in_joy_i_scream: if i remember correctly that is

b_lakshmi_ramesh: you're right, visti, how can i forget that?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: lovely grin, sri

sanjayrath: Jothi should have better days after the saturn leaves Taurus. Just

see Jo+thi = 8, 7, 78/12 = rem 6 rem

sanjayrath: Come on Sri nine planets is too much for me to learn now

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Guruji and Visti, do tell me about that heart patient, pl.

in_joy_i_scream: heart patient?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Hri was saying that jothi might get married first then get a

job. But jothi wanted a job first.

sri999: Sanjayji when are you accepting me as your shisya

sanjayrath: which one..this one who is typing the message is having serious

heart problems with His Ista devata Who has gone to sleep in his heart lotus...

b_lakshmi_ramesh: what i wrote in Vedic astrology site, yaar.

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Sanjayji...how romantic!

sanjayrath: soon..as soon as you realise that with answers like 'nine planets'

and hence nine is not going to satisfy me

sri999:

b_lakshmi_ramesh: The other day i was reading about different kinds of

mukthi..and i think u are experiencing a kind of mukthi now.

in_joy_i_scream: aren't we always in a sense?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: saaroopya mukthi and after that it's only saayujya.

sanjayrath: Lakshmi..how does one see this from the chart?

in_joy_i_scream: where did u read about those?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: well..well..

b_lakshmi_ramesh: i am smiling mysteriouly like a monalisa..i can't find a

smiley like that!

in_joy_i_scream: >

in_joy_i_scream: lol

sri999: : " >

b_lakshmi_ramesh: you look smashing visti, maintain that look!

sanjayrath: My my..look who is keeping jyotish secrets..lakshmi you have to

spell it out. How do we see what type?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Guruji, pl don't pull my leg! u know all this and more!

sri999: S

in_joy_i_scream: but lakshmi now only 2 ppl know.. please enlighten the rest!

sanjayrath: Yesterday there was a discussion about seventh house from lagna and

place of rebirth

dilipastro: Hare Rama Krishna

dilipastro: Pranam Gurudav

sanjayrath: Namaskar Dilip babu

dilipastro: Gurudev

dilipastro:

sanjayrath: Dilip go on I dont understand these funny faces that come on the

screen.Hoiw do you make them?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: actually..the book only listed 4 types of mukthi...saalokya,

saameepya, saaroopya and saayujya. I thought they correlated to nava vidha

bhakthi

in_joy_i_scream: can i have a reference so i can read them in my own time?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yeah, tell me about the faces. they're so eloquent!

in_joy_i_scream: : - )

b_lakshmi_ramesh: I read th up in a Telugu book by Kalluri Surya naaraayana

sastri

in_joy_i_scream: 4 types of liberation come from 4 types of activities

in_joy_i_scream: i.e. ayanas

sanjayrath: Lakshmi..those ffour types relate to the chaturthamsa..the four sons

of Brahma who dd not want to marry and wanted mukti instead

in_joy_i_scream:

b_lakshmi_ramesh: try to fi in 9 types of bhakthi in 4 types

sanjayrath: Visti unless you tell me how to m ake those faces, I will not speak

more..mum is the word

sri999: Sanjayji

sri999: pls click on 5th icon

in_joy_i_scream: then so be it; there is actually a small icon on your chat

window, with a guy in sunglasses. if you click him, you will get more smileys

sri999: on the

sri999: next to arial

in_joy_i_scream: he looks like this; B-)

sri999: yes

in_joy_i_scream: you can then choose from any of those smileys

sanjayrath: )gotcha

sri999: yes sir

in_joy_i_scream: there are also shortcut keys for these that one can learn with

time

in_joy_i_scream: i.e. if i wrote; : - ) then i get :-)

dilipastro: :)Gurudev I am also new these funny things

sri999: <<<:-)>>>

sanjayrath: OK Mukti is from the 12th house froom Karakamsa

dilipastro: ok

in_joy_i_scream: mukti for the soul that is

in_joy_i_scream: ?

sri999: Moksha

sanjayrath: Yes but then when a person dies he goess to the Moon..all have said

this and this is seen from the Upapada from Chandra lagna

in_joy_i_scream: yup

b_lakshmi_ramesh: if you get close to your ishta in this birth, then, isn't

mukthi for the body as well as soul?

sanjayrath: This is the yoga of the Mana with Atma and finally the atma goes

alone..back to God w

sanjayrath: Lakshmi need not be..everybody cannot achive that level like Mirabai

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Guruji, what's kaarana sareera? is it astral body?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: but she showed that it's possible..only u have to get over the

constra

sanjayrath: It is the body that sustains the Mana.

dilipastro: got disconnected, a frequent occurence here

b_lakshmi_ramesh: constraints.

sri999: no probs

sanjayrath: The Mana needs a logic for everything and thoo in the physical plane

and hence the name..Kaarana sareera

dilipastro: ok

b_lakshmi_ramesh: could it relate to gyaanndriyas?

sanjayrath: Now what is the mana going to do after death? This has been answered

by Swami Abhedananda as the mana continues to do what it loves to do..it is the

pasttime of the mana

sanjayrath: gyaanendriyas are the horses of the mana

in_joy_i_scream: hence where the mana goes is where the mana likes to be?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: what's the mana going to do? isn't mana an attribute of this

body..this birth?

in_joy_i_scream: Gurudeva, your Chandra-Vyayapada is in Libra, this is lorded by

Venus and shows the world of manes?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Soul is eternal, but is that the case with manas?

in_joy_i_scream: Lakshmi we get a new Mana for everybirth

b_lakshmi_ramesh: what's chandra vyayapaada visti? tell me.

in_joy_i_scream: A12 of the Moon lakshmi.

in_joy_i_scream: Vyayapada is also called Upapada, when dealing with marriage

in_joy_i_scream: Vyaya is a name of the 12th house

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yeah..agreed.

b_lakshmi_ramesh: which is the same as A12 from lagna for me, right?

in_joy_i_scream: The Mana enters the person in their 7th month of gestation i

believe. Yes lakshmi

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Guruji, Visti was saying that my renunciation will happen in

Virgo dasa

b_lakshmi_ramesh: after the physical body's largely in place.

b_lakshmi_ramesh: but the foetal movements are felt by the mother from 4th month

onwards

in_joy_i_scream: gurudeva we didn't know u were gone so we kept chatting

sanjayrath: did you get my earlier messages?

in_joy_i_scream: please retype them for our benefit gurudeva

sanjayrath: You were talking about the Mana and hence the Upapada from the

Chandra Lagna

sri999: Mana enters the person 4th of gestation

sri999: yes

sri999: I read some where

in_joy_i_scream: yes sanjay

b_lakshmi_ramesh: hence chandra's digbala in 4th house?

sanjayrath: Now, let us not speculate like this we need to establish ground

rules for development

sanjayrath: What about saturns digbala in 7th house? Lakshmi you cannot explain

as to why digbala is only in kendras can you?

in_joy_i_scream: i can

sanjayrath: OK go on Visti

in_joy_i_scream: it relates to the 4 ayanas of Dharma(1st) Artha(10th)

Kaama(7th) and Moksha(4th)

b_lakshmi_ramesh: 7 th house is the sunset..hence Satun's digbala.

in_joy_i_scream: the planets digbala, will show the persons intensity of

direction towards these 4 ayanas

in_joy_i_scream: am i right?

sri999: Moskha 4th ?????

in_joy_i_scream: see trines to 4th house sri

b_lakshmi_ramesh: you mean to say that my orientation is more towards Dharma?

then, what about guruji? his is also the same

sanjayrath: Perfect. You see Lakshmi, the nature of the planets has to do with

the Digbala. The women like home and have digbala in the moksha trikona. They

are happy with renunciation, good hearts etc; the men (Mars & Sun) are basically

fighters and want power, money etc and hence they have digbala in the artha

kendra, the eunuch Saturn is always hankering for fulfilling his weaknesses and

hence Kaama trikona and finally Guru & Buddha have digbala in Lagna and hence

Dharma..so Bhagavan says Yada yada hi dharmasya. this is the great Jyotish

learning from the Gita

in_joy_i_scream: your orientation may have todo more with the pada of Lagna

Lord, whilst the direction one is led into in life, is seen from the digbalas

in_joy_i_scream: by Pada of lagna lord, i mean the Nakshetra pada

b_lakshmi_ramesh: this is great ..learning from you like this.

sanjayrath: Dilip are you still here?

in_joy_i_scream: no he's disconnected, i will send him a copy of the chat

sri999: Nope sanjayaji

b_lakshmi_ramesh: tell me Visti, I don't have a single planet in Moksha trikona

and 6 in Dharma trikona..so does that mean i'll not get moksha?

in_joy_i_scream: no i didn' say that

sanjayrath: Now that we have the ayana clear, lets get back to the Pada where we

find that the Upapada from Chandra relates tto the independant existance of the

Mana after death and the upapada from Surya will independant existance of the

Atma after separation from Mana as well

b_lakshmi_ramesh: what does 1st pada of nakshatra lord mean?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yes, guruji.

in_joy_i_scream: from 1 to 4 the Padas are; Dharma, Artha, Kaama and Moksha

sanjayrath: Dharma, Lakshmi

sanjayrath: In which pada is your Moon?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Visti, do send me also a copy of the chat..please.

in_joy_i_scream: will do

b_lakshmi_ramesh: so, it's always Dharma is it?

in_joy_i_scream: The nakshetra pada of lagna lord shows that your

activities(paka Lagna) are related to establishing dharma

b_lakshmi_ramesh: whichever way I look at it. it sort of explains..

in_joy_i_scream: your mind maybe otherwise

sanjayrath: Yes Lakshmi, First pada is always dharma, second pada is always

artha, third is kaama and so on

in_joy_i_scream: minds inclination is the right word

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Partha was once talking about the 2nd house from Navamsa lagna

showing mssion in life....

in_joy_i_scream: An easy way of reckoning the padas is to check the Navamsa

Rasi. If in fiery signs its dharma. etc

sanjayrath: Mind is normally referring to the conscious mind

in_joy_i_scream: Lakshmi try this; treat Navamsa Lagna as 9th house. then the

2nd therefrom becomes 10th house.

in_joy_i_scream: i.e. ones morals and how one manifests them

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Sag=fiery=dharma? and the lord's also mostly always in fiery

rasis.

sanjayrath: Visti..we are deiating from my question. How do we see where the

rebirth will occur?

in_joy_i_scream: Jaimini gives an explanation of the effects of Lagnamasa vs

Rasi Lagna. if Lagnamsa falls in the 11th from Rasi Lagna the persons steers

towards moksha(2nd from the 11th).

in_joy_i_scream: Where the rebirth will occur depends on the desires of the

native indicated by the 7th house

in_joy_i_scream: As you said; Mars in the 7th.. could be an island

sanjayrath: Now see the point about Upapada & Darapada. Which is more

important..why is the Upapada also called gaunapada..

in_joy_i_scream: Upapada/12th shows the liberation or lack of the same. its 8th

house is the 7th house, hence marriage dictates the progress towards moksha or

not.

sanjayrath: Marriage is from Upapada, sex is from darapada..Ramakrishna was a

celebate even after a happy marriage!

in_joy_i_scream:

in_joy_i_scream: how about the abode of the mind gurudeva?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: I love the conf, but I must leave..must go home. kids

waiting..parents waiting.

sanjayrath: Almost everybody marries for the physical part and hence they bear

children (gains/fruits i.e. 11th house from 7th house)

in_joy_i_scream: nice to have u here, have a nice day lakshmi

sanjayrath: see you lakshmi

in_joy_i_scream: i will send a transcript

in_joy_i_scream: yup gotcha

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Thanks. bye and a happy weekend.

in_joy_i_scream: ty u2

sanjayrath: But the important part is the Upapada which must always be clean for

Moksha and hence the fasting on the days of the Upapada is the best remedy of

all

in_joy_i_scream: ahh another good reason for doing so

in_joy_i_scream: please continue

sri999: ok

newtoindia2000: sorry... was away

in_joy_i_scream: welcome hari, we're discussing upapada

sanjayrath: Now, the Upapada from the chandra lagna tells the hankerings of the

Mana..that which will have a strong influence on the mana

in_joy_i_scream: i will send a full transcript later

in_joy_i_scream: yes go on

newtoindia2000: was preparing for today evening SJVC meeting

sri999: pls

sanjayrath: Hence after death, Swami Abhedananda inferred that the Mana tends to

do such things and such activites which it desires very much or in which it has

spent (read 12th house) time in the life

sanjayrath: Thus, the Upapada from the chandra lagna must also be clean and this

can happen with the right mantra

in_joy_i_scream: gotcha

in_joy_i_scream: how to select the mantra

in_joy_i_scream: +

in_joy_i_scream: ?

sanjayrath: Finally we come to the Atma. The Sun is the natural AK and is going

to give moksha whereas the chara AK is the one who is going to get Moksha..see

the difference

in_joy_i_scream: hmm... ahh

sanjayrath: I will return to this later

in_joy_i_scream: Hari those lines just taught you alot about Naisargika and

Chara Karakas

in_joy_i_scream: go on sanjay

sanjayrath: The Sun is the great giver and Moksha is also given by Him as Hari

is hiding behind the orb of the Sun

newtoindia2000: yes.... u was thinking the same....

sanjayrath: Now, the upapada from the Sun will indicate the mood of the Sun to

give and the state moksha even if it is for a short period

in_joy_i_scream: ic

sri999: k

sanjayrath: In this manner, a lot can be glimpsed from the Rasi chart itself. OK

Visti now you make a few thoughts about the mantra

in_joy_i_scream: welll without a doubt it is mantra, as we need to put the mind

in the right place

sanjayrath: right but how to choose one?

sri999: Sanjayji heard that gayathri mantra is like mother of all mantras

in_joy_i_scream: let me think..

sanjayrath: Yes Gayatri is the mother as it is the Prasavakarana devata

sanjayrath: Remember the dhyana for Narayana..sada savitrimandala madhyavarti

in_joy_i_scream: 1. The mantra should probably relate to a femin deity

in_joy_i_scream: feminin

sri999: ishta kula grama devata???

in_joy_i_scream: this is because all desires are met when the shakti is appeased

in_joy_i_scream: am i right on number 1?

sanjayrath: In my chart, a v ery strange thing has occured. if you all recall,

my original name was Sushant which was changed by my grandfather to Sanjay which

comes to Libra, the 8th house of my chart. Now, in my chart all Lagna Upapada,

Chandra Upapada and Surya Upapada are all in Libra, the 8th house!!! Thats the

level of Jyotish of my grandfather..see what he was aiming at..

sanjayrath: Why feminine deity? Why not Narayana?

in_joy_i_scream: i was thinking feminin deity, as its the minds desires, yet any

Vishnu mantra should do as well, as they liberate the mind

sanjayrath: No Visti you are right, just give the right reasoning..I tend to

question to clear doubts

sanjayrath: Also the point about Kula, Grama devata etc must be clarified

in_joy_i_scream: ok for the Chanda-Upapada, i would assume taking a mantra on

the basis of the dasamahavidya lording/placed in the rasi, would do the trick

in_joy_i_scream: i.e. Venus in your case

sanjayrath: OK Chandra - shiva shakti

in_joy_i_scream: ahh yes thats the reasoning then?

sanjayrath: Go on visti answer the part about devata

sanjayrath: are we connected

newtoindia2000: yes gurudev... am getting the messages

in_joy_i_scream: Kula Devata is the deity that protects the family and home,

hence can be chosen from Vimsamsa(d-20) which shows the 10x2 shakti

sanjayrath: OK I guess you all need to think about these things and we shall

talk again tomorrow morning at 8 AM India time if that is fine with you

sri999: yes Sanjayji in sync

newtoindia2000: yes,,, fine by me...

in_joy_i_scream: Grama Devata is seen from the same. Again the protector.

in_joy_i_scream: yup ok

sanjayrath: OK bye then and get back to the books till we meet tomorrow

newtoindia2000: I have to get going for the SJVC meeting. Pranams

in_joy_i_scream: ok have a nice day

in_joy_i_scream: hmm.. 8 am india time.. geeze

newtoindia2000: visti... can u mail me the transcript?

newtoindia2000: what time will i be for u? 8AmIST>

in_joy_i_scream: 4 am

newtoindia2000: gee

 

 

sanjayrath: back again so good

in_joy_i_scream: lol ok

newtoindia2000: Om Gurave Manah

newtoindia2000: Namah

newtoindia2000: sorry

in_joy_i_scream: Vyam VedaVyasaaya Namah

sanjayrath: I thought you were at a meeting of the chapter of SJVC

sri999: Om Gurave Namaha

in_joy_i_scream: actually we usually start with our personal guru-mantra before

discussion

newtoindia2000: yes.. sir... only 2 ppl showed up including me... but we did

have a discussion for a hour or so...

sri999: k

newtoindia2000: the rest dint have much to advance notice for today;s meeting. i

guess they had prior commitments

in_joy_i_scream: gurudeva why are there 40 deities for the Vimsamsa?

sanjayrath: Next time fix a date like say Sunday or every saturday at 2 PM and

the place should also be fixed

sanjayrath: visti look carefully are there 40 deities or 40 shakti's

newtoindia2000: right now logistacally the temple is the venue

in_joy_i_scream: 40 shaktis offcourse

kskoler: hi gentlemen, Gurudev

in_joy_i_scream: hi karen

sanjayrath: Karen..I was just thinking of you today..thught of sending some

material for checking for the conference

kskoler: sure... anything you want.. be happy to

sanjayrath: Hows brendan?

kskoler: I haven't spoken to him recently. last e-mail he said he was worried

that not many signed up for the conference..

kskoler: I pray more sign up

sri999: g8

sanjayrath: The change of venue and other changes puts people off. They need

ample time to decide. In any case, after I send the material they will probably

come

in_joy_i_scream: good thing that quality shows more than quantity among the sjvc

members

sri999: anytime

kskoler: I expect so.. unless I imagine everyone meeting already

kskoler: I can just picturing it all happening

kskoler: the change of venue was a surpirse but it whould be good

kskoler: several member are in New JErsey

kskoler: of coure NYC would've been easier for me too.. but NJ is only an hour

or so away

kskoler: so Gurudev.. what would you like me to do?

in_joy_i_scream: he was kicked

kskoler: I was just typing away to myself

in_joy_i_scream: lol

sri999:

newtoindia2000: Is gurudev back?

in_joy_i_scream: yes

sanjayrath: Just managed to return thanks to Visti

in_joy_i_scream:

in_joy_i_scream: Karen was asking what you would like her todo?

sanjayrath: Regarding those weekly meetings, follow the way of the theosophical

society..madame blavatsky had a wednesday evening fixed at her place. In this

manner fix the time and place if spiritual development is expected

kskoler: you would like me to set up weekly meetings? or are you talking to

Hari?

sri999: Satsangatve .....

sanjayrath: Karen, I will send the papers across and you can put them together,

generate the charts and keep them for the people who are coming or maybe send

pdf files for them to read in advance before the seminar

newtoindia2000: yes gurudev. till now the meeting was every 14 days.. always at

the temple. we even got permission from the temple authorities. now it will be

weekly

sri999: there is a saying in sanskrit sanjayaji

sanjayrath: That was for Hari

kskoler: oh ok... sure, I'll prepare papers

sri999: one liter of milk wen added in water

sri999: looses it's value

sri999: but one liter of water in milk gains value

sri999: reg the my views on Regarding those weekly meetings, follow the way of

the theosophical society..madame blavatsky had a wednesday evening fixed at her

place. In this manner fix the time and place if spiritual development is

expected

sanjayrath: Visti what about the Vimsamsa?

sri999: 40 shaktis'

in_joy_i_scream: well its full of shakti, and hence why we reckon the kula

devata from there

sri999: visti

sri999: proceed

newtoindia2000: Gurudev, let me know if i can help in any way for the Hyd conf..

in case Sailesh and Lakshmi are the only people organizing it. anything i can do

from bangalore.... i will be glad to

in_joy_i_scream: as the Kula devata once appeased appeases the mind and

satisfies the person

in_joy_i_scream: but why 40?

sanjayrath: 20=12+8 is the concept for the Vimsamsa. Hence we are talking about

the occult when we talk about the Vimsamsa

in_joy_i_scream: yes offcourse

in_joy_i_scream: and the shakti there are roopas of the divine mother guiding

the native in their spiritual path

sanjayrath: Now when we speak of Odd & even signs, naturally the nature of the

Shakti is different. That is why we have 20x2=40. Now, remember Shankara

" Gatistwam gatistwam twameka bhavani " ...this is where the prayer is focusing

sanjayrath: why do I get knocking and door sounds?

in_joy_i_scream: when people log on and off, the door sounds come

newtoindia2000: that;s people on chat coming online/offline gurudev.

in_joy_i_scream: pls translate the prayer gurudeva.

in_joy_i_scream: Gati relates to direction and Bhavani is a shakti

newtoindia2000: i am seeing karen go offline/online... she msg;ed me on msn. she

says her is down... she appologies and gurudev, she says she will do the

paper work and she awaits the papers etc from you

sanjayrath: Gati means movement durgati means that the feet are taking you to

bad places where vices will be performed. Stambhana is to control or force thus

gatistwam means to force good path on the worshipper

in_joy_i_scream: i understand the prayer now

sanjayrath: Karen, how many have confirmed?

in_joy_i_scream: Hence we pray to the mother to send us on the right path.

newtoindia2000: Gurudev, Karen is have trouble with

sanjayrath: OK later. perfect Visti

sri999: yes

in_joy_i_scream: please go on

sanjayrath: No no..I am finishing here. I have a lot to do. send those papers

out and what not all. Tomorrow at 8 AM, 8-9 AM then the regular class begins

newtoindia2000: we will be online at 8AM tomorrow gurudev

in_joy_i_scream: ok have a nice day, and see you tomorrow

newtoindia2000: Pranams

in_joy_i_scream: Jai Gurudev, Jai Jagannatha!

in_joy_i_scream: lol i still dunno why theres 40 in the vimsamsa..lol

sri999: Jai Gurudev

sri999: Jaya Jaganatha

newtoindia2000: he did say for odd/even signs right?

in_joy_i_scream: yes he did

in_joy_i_scream: the calculation doesn't bug me but the reasoning

newtoindia2000: and 20 because of 12+8

newtoindia2000: yes.. brb... my litttle one wants me

sri999: Gatisatwan Gatisatwam bhavani

sri999: I think is from lalitha shasranamam

sri999: verses

in_joy_i_scream: Its Gatistwam Gatistwam Twam Eka Bhavani

sri999: ok

 

 

newtoindia2000: sanjay prabakaran seems online.

in_joy_i_scream: dilipastro, srinagesh1, aru_dulla, sarajitp,

newtoindia2000: i dont see all of them online... i see only aru

in_joy_i_scream: how is the morning?

newtoindia2000: morning seems good...

in_joy_i_scream: how is the sun?

in_joy_i_scream: Pranaams

newtoindia2000: well... Sun partly is peeping out... cold morning here...

b_lakshmi_ramesh: hello. good morning to u all.

in_joy_i_scream: good morning indeed

in_joy_i_scream: Aditya has allready risen here

in_joy_i_scream: he has been riding his chariot for the last hour or two

in_joy_i_scream: did u get to read the transcripts i sent you?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: hello. this is ramesh, lakshmi's husband. i am very glad to

know that you guys are doing a wonderful thing. i am joined by my two sons,

aditya and sasank, in wishing you all a very fruitful conference. passing on to

my better half.

newtoindia2000: not yet... partly done.... been with the saint;s chart.... let;s

see if gurudev likes the attempt...

in_joy_i_scream: many thanks Ramesh, may you indeed have as nice a day as we are

expecting to have in this conference

newtoindia2000: Oh.. Thanks very much. It;s great to know lakshmi doing so much

for SJVC conf. Hope to meet you all in hyd this dec

in_joy_i_scream: it seems the sun rose a long time ago in Lakshmi

in_joy_i_scream: 's house

newtoindia2000: yes.. true

in_joy_i_scream: u'know i just might being an article on Astakavarga and

transits as per gurudevas advice

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Visti, did you find out about 40 shaktis in vimsamsa?

newtoindia2000: oh.... cool...

in_joy_i_scream: well the only reasoning i have for the number is 2x20, 20 for

odd and rest for even

b_lakshmi_ramesh: that's great, Visti. BTW i didn't get my issue of Jyotish

Digest. Anyone got it?

newtoindia2000: and 20 becos of 12+8

in_joy_i_scream: but theres more relating to why there are shaktis and not

devas, etc.

in_joy_i_scream: yes hari

in_joy_i_scream: no i havent got it either

in_joy_i_scream: lakshmi when were u married?

newtoindia2000: it;s only shakti;s maybe becos they are the reasons for

sustenence.

b_lakshmi_ramesh: basically because, shakti refers to energy, internal/external,

while devas are for body?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: it's shakti which can make you go up...in prayer,

meditation..away frm body.

in_joy_i_scream: Gatistwam Gatistwam, Twam Eka Bhavani

b_lakshmi_ramesh: i got married on 25th August 1985..and u know now how nice

Ramesh is

newtoindia2000: Bravo Visti... this is what gurudev has told right?

in_joy_i_scream: yes

b_lakshmi_ramesh: I never knew any other gati, Visti. It's only She

in_joy_i_scream: actually its very important to invoke her ghati, as then one

will not fail

in_joy_i_scream: she sends you in the right direction

b_lakshmi_ramesh: I'm going to Kanchipuram on Wednesday/thursday..another

Shaktipeetha and Kamaakshi is BEAUTIFUL.

in_joy_i_scream: welcome Sanjay

sanjayprabhakaran: Hare rama Krishan, Namaste everybody

newtoindia2000: Om Gurave Namah

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Hari, i am leaving for Tirupati tomorrow.

in_joy_i_scream: Vyam VedaVyasaaya Namah

in_joy_i_scream: congrats Lakshmi

newtoindia2000: please pray for me too.. esp with regard to my astrology

learnings

in_joy_i_scream: pray for the entire sjvc, then we cannot fail

sanjayprabhakaran:

newtoindia2000:

in_joy_i_scream: hardly looks like we will anyway

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Gurudevaya vidhmahe parabrahmane dheemahi..tanno guru

prachodayaath.

newtoindia2000: Visti... for tapwaswi yoga we need saturn, ketu and venus right?

sanjayprabhakaran: yes

in_joy_i_scream: yup

in_joy_i_scream: which gayatri is that?

newtoindia2000: gayatri?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Visti, guruji was asking me yesterday in which nakshatra pada

my moon is...it's 3rd pada of Poorvashadha..of Venus.

in_joy_i_scream: the vimshottari lordship aren't very useful for anything other

than vimshottari dasa

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Direction is shown by lagna/paka

in_joy_i_scream: the nakshetras deities tell a longer story

b_lakshmi_ramesh: ofcourse, i'll pray for all of us and SJVC. I will be going to

Sri Kalahasti also.

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Visti, where's Guru?

in_joy_i_scream: i also read up on the mukthis we talked about.. Sanjay do you

have all the transcripts?

sanjayprabhakaran: hmm

sanjayprabhakaran: I have changed my work place

b_lakshmi_ramesh: and, why's he silent?

sanjayprabhakaran: so must be at my office

sanjayprabhakaran: sorry

sanjayprabhakaran: i suppose u are asking for chat transcripts

in_joy_i_scream: no worry, u have them now.

in_joy_i_scream: gurudeva hasn't logged on yet, we shal wait patiently

in_joy_i_scream: as for the 4 mukthis

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yeah, visti,

newtoindia2000: yes... in the meantime i will try finish posting abt the saint;s

chart

in_joy_i_scream: Nirguna Narayana is no doubt represented by Guru, this i know

for sure as i have prayed to that form always

in_joy_i_scream: Hence Saayujya mukthi is represented by that

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Bless u Visti, in that state, there's no diff between one and

the other..

in_joy_i_scream: So its all about the deity we worship

in_joy_i_scream: Mercury represents Saroopya Mukthi

in_joy_i_scream: this is because its descriminate and thinks one is different

from another

b_lakshmi_ramesh: I don't know abt nirguna or saguna, Visti, but once I had a

dream in which I saw Param Jyothi herself I think.

in_joy_i_scream: Venus could represent Sameepya mukthi, due to the passions

involved in worship

in_joy_i_scream: Hari thats a vital clue to the Tapaswi Yoga

b_lakshmi_ramesh: It was a form...multi coloured like a million stars ..

sanjayprabhakaran: Ketu would be inticating the best for of mukti

newtoindia2000: yes.... understood...

sanjayprabhakaran: Ketu would be inticating the best form of mukti

sanjayprabhakaran: i suppose

b_lakshmi_ramesh: vibrant..dynamic...up in the sky

sanjayprabhakaran: that would be same form as the lord

in_joy_i_scream: yes i'd say Ketu represents Saayujya mukthi

in_joy_i_scream: hence jup and ketu represent the same mukthi

b_lakshmi_ramesh: What about Jupiter?

in_joy_i_scream: well we have 9 grahas

b_lakshmi_ramesh: really?

in_joy_i_scream:

sanjayprabhakaran: but it would not be good to differentiate one mukti from

another i think

sanjayprabhakaran: any form of getting near to it God would be fortunate

in_joy_i_scream: its always good to refine the astrological discipline

b_lakshmi_ramesh: there's an astrology conf. going on in Hyd right now.

in_joy_i_scream: yes i heard about it

b_lakshmi_ramesh: today we have SJVC meeting and about 2-3 new members will come

in

newtoindia2000: in hyd? right now?

newtoindia2000: wisti, inst 5th house related to mantra;s and worship?

newtoindia2000: *visti i mean

in_joy_i_scream: yes bhakthi

newtoindia2000: ok.. i got what i was looking for

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Visti, if all that Tapaswi yoga is going to result in is

saameepya mukthi, then which yogas give saaroopya and saayujya mukthi?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: for saaroopya one needs to have a mahapurusha yoga, perhaps.

sanjayprabhakaran: brb

in_joy_i_scream: the reason for sameepya mukthi is because venus is full of

passion and wishes to attain siddhis like sukracharya. Hence it strives for the

utmost

in_joy_i_scream: well Gurudeva said it very clearly; Mukthi is seen from the

12th from Karakamsa

in_joy_i_scream: not much mistake there

in_joy_i_scream: the type of worship will dictate the mukthi the soul gets

b_lakshmi_ramesh: abt saaroopya..where the bhaktha begins to look like the

Ishta..with signs on body etc.

sanjayprabhakaran: am i missing any lines in between?

sanjayprabhakaran: in chat

b_lakshmi_ramesh: yesterday, Guruji was talking about upapada frm moon, and

upapada frm sun..

in_joy_i_scream: well theres a significant step between Saalokya mukthi and

Saroopya mukthi, can you see which grahas would indicate saalokya?

in_joy_i_scream: yes we have been chatting for some time sanjay

b_lakshmi_ramesh: i was thinking..could it be that death is in reality is like a

comma/semi colon and mukthi alone represents a ful

b_lakshmi_ramesh: a full stop?

in_joy_i_scream: lakshmi we are taught that death is only a full stop for the

body, the mind and soul continue their journey

sanjayprabhakaran: excuse me

in_joy_i_scream: then at some point the soul leaves the mind and continues

toward liberation.

sanjayprabhakaran: sanjayprabhakaran: brb

in_joy_i_scream: the reason for sameepya mukthi is because venus is full of

passion and wishes to attain siddhis like sukracharya. Hence it strives for the

utmost

in_joy_i_scream: well Gurudeva said it very clearly; Mukthi is seen from the

12th from Karakamsa

in_joy_i_scream: not much mistake there

in_joy_i_scream: the type of worship will dictate the mukthi the soul gets

sanjayprabhakaran: am i missing any lines in between?

sanjayprabhakaran: in chat

in_joy_i_scream: well theres a significant step between Saalokya mukthi and

Saroopya mukthi, can you see which grahas would indicate saalokya?

in_joy_i_scream: yes we have been chatting for some time sanjay

in_joy_i_scream: lakshmi we are taught that death is only a full stop for the

body, the mind and soul con

in_joy_i_scream: yes ur missing quite a few

sanjayprabhakaran: yes

sanjayprabhakaran: that's what i meant

in_joy_i_scream: do not worry sanjay i will send the entire script when done

sanjayprabhakaran: reinvite me

sanjayprabhakaran: ko

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

sanjayprabhakaran: that's what

sanjayprabhakaran: iw as not getting laxmi's voice

sanjayprabhakaran:

in_joy_i_scream: oki

in_joy_i_scream: so Lakshmi the Upapada from Sun shows the souls

ability/inclination to give moksha

in_joy_i_scream: i.e. is the person ready to end their journey or continue it?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: I'll calculate that and see. anyway for me the 12th house from

Sun both in Rasi and navamsa is that of Ishta..so it's Mother's wish.

in_joy_i_scream: when moksha happens the individuality disapears and we merge

with the supreme soul.. but as per gurudeva, this isn't final and one may break

of the lego-fortress and become reborn

b_lakshmi_ramesh: she'll steer me onto the right path.

in_joy_i_scream: yes

sanjayprabhakaran: i am still able to see only visit's lines

b_lakshmi_ramesh: but with a clear mission, path and to help the world, i'm

sure.

in_joy_i_scream: the essence of the discussion was that there are 3 main types

of worship

sanjayprabhakaran: i am getting out...can haro ro laxmi invite me instead of

Visit

in_joy_i_scream: hari will

b_lakshmi_ramesh: Visti, u keep seeing Gurudeva and i'm not able to.wherez he?

in_joy_i_scream: lol i'm saying sanjay.. i mean sanjayprabhakaran.. he can't see

ur messages either for some reason

in_joy_i_scream: hari? will u invite sanjay?

newtoindia2000: done

in_joy_i_scream: wb

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

in_joy_i_scream: so to the 3 main types of worship

in_joy_i_scream: These relate to the tripod concept of; Soul, Mind and Doer'.

in_joy_i_scream: To liberate the soul we pray to Istha. How about mind?

in_joy_i_scream: That is we're trying to get steered into the right direction

regarding our mind so we don't make mistakes and are quickly satisfied.. which

devata can do that for us?

in_joy_i_scream: any takers?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: but when mind is one with Ishta, that's Moon?

in_joy_i_scream: when mind is one with istha, the mind has no need of steering

b_lakshmi_ramesh: and it all refers to the 8th house....to vimsamsa?

in_joy_i_scream: we do this worship by praying to Kula Devata yes, which is seen

from the 2nd house in Vimsamsa

b_lakshmi_ramesh: now, is this a kind of " aham brahmasmi " ?

in_joy_i_scream: Now for the last one; the doer, we are trying to let all the

desires of the soul fructify in this life, hence get our desires appeased.. how

is this done? which devata?

b_lakshmi_ramesh: what's seen from 9th house of vimsamsa?

in_joy_i_scream: trines in vimsamsa shows ones favorite deity

b_lakshmi_ramesh: but i also read in Guruji's books that 9th shows japa and 12th

shows dhyana.

in_joy_i_scream: when it relates to activity thats right

in_joy_i_scream: 9th from Karkamsa is the dharma devata, thats the answer to the

last question

sanjayprabhakaran: what was the last question Visit(i still can read only u'r

lines)

sanjayprabhakaran: (i think theperson who started the conference need to invite

me?)

in_joy_i_scream: " Which devata will let all the desires of the soul fructify. "

in_joy_i_scream: Hari just did

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

in_joy_i_scream: hari started the last one, let me open a new conference for all

of us. everyone log out i will send the transcripts

sanjayprabhakaran: sorry everybody

 

 

varahamihira (07:37:50 PM): welcome

varahamihira (07:37:57 PM): Vishnu Deva

in_joy_i_scream (07:37:59 PM): Vyam VedaVyasaaya Namah

dilipastro (07:38:04 PM): Namaste Visti

varahamihira (07:38:07 PM): Om Vishnave Namah

p_i_l_o_t (07:38:17 PM): namaste

in_joy_i_scream (07:38:29 PM): hello Pilot.. who are you?

p_i_l_o_t (07:38:40 PM): Ajit Krishnan

varahamihira (07:38:46 PM): the driver of the discussion

varahamihira (07:38:51 PM): welcome Sarbani....

in_joy_i_scream (07:38:56 PM): very nice to meet you

in_joy_i_scream (07:39:09 PM): Sarbani declined. I have invited Gurudev

p_i_l_o_t (07:39:21 PM): nice to meet you too.

varahamihira (07:39:53 PM): welcome SDarbani

varahamihira (07:39:56 PM): Sarbani

dilipastro (07:40:01 PM): Namaskar Sarbanidi

sarbani3062002 (07:40:15 PM): Hello everybody

p_i_l_o_t (07:40:45 PM): namaste sarabani

varahamihira (07:40:46 PM): I tried calling you long ago... you were awat

varahamihira (07:40:49 PM): away

sarbani3062002 (07:41:13 PM): Yes I was out the whole evening...just returned

home

sanjayprabhakaran (07:41:15 PM): I have question Anjneya

sarbani3062002 (07:41:20 PM): whats the topic of discussion

in_joy_i_scream (07:41:21 PM): Gurudev will join us after sometime, he's abit

tired, and needs to acces the sjvc-site

sanjayprabhakaran (07:41:22 PM): on this tithi and Muhurtha

varahamihira (07:41:28 PM): sure

sanjayprabhakaran (07:41:47 PM): 48 mins

sanjayprabhakaran (07:41:50 PM): before

sanjayprabhakaran (07:41:55 PM): Sunrise in BMuhurhta

sanjayprabhakaran (07:42:19 PM): so we pray in K.Paksha 14tithi

sanjayprabhakaran (07:42:22 PM): in terms

sanjayprabhakaran (07:42:36 PM): of Muhurtah and titihi similie

sanjayprabhakaran (07:42:37 PM): ?

in_joy_i_scream (07:43:13 PM): ?

sarbani3062002 (07:43:47 PM): sorry for the diversion, but who is pilot?

sanjayprabhakaran (07:43:57 PM): Ajit Krishnan

sanjayprabhakaran (07:44:02 PM): Anjneya

sanjayprabhakaran (07:44:05 PM): are u there?

sarbani3062002 (07:44:15 PM): krishnan:)~!!

varahamihira (07:44:16 PM): I got your question

p_i_l_o_t (07:44:34 PM):

varahamihira (07:44:51 PM): why don't you take that as food for thought

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:21 PM): it actually

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:23 PM): 15th

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:29 PM): Amavasya!

varahamihira (07:45:45 PM): Can we discuss that sometime else...

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:49 PM): ok

varahamihira (07:46:03 PM): you will get some time to apply those principles for

yourself

skanda_kumara (07:46:24 PM): Hi Sarbani

sarbani3062002 (07:46:40 PM): Hi Skanda

sanjayprabhakaran (07:47:05 PM): ok any New topic?

skanda_kumara (07:47:12 PM): sure we will discuss something else

sanjayprabhakaran (07:47:20 PM): Hi all entrees

sarbani3062002 (07:47:21 PM): Yes, about time we started a discussion

in_joy_i_scream (07:47:29 PM): Skanda, you are very profficient in Narayana

Dasa, please explain your basis of using determining beneficence of a rasi in ND

when using Func. Ben/malefics?

skanda_kumara (07:48:52 PM): The basis is on the definition of Functional

Beneficience & Malficience defined by Parasara

skanda_kumara (07:48:58 PM): thats all

in_joy_i_scream (07:49:00 PM): where?

sanjayprabhakaran (07:49:01 PM): the name

sanjayprabhakaran (07:49:07 PM): for FM/FB

skanda_kumara (07:49:07 PM): In BPHS

sanjayprabhakaran (07:49:09 PM): is Yoga Karaka

sanjayprabhakaran (07:49:16 PM): ?

in_joy_i_scream (07:49:16 PM): i have bphs, reference please

skanda_kumara (07:49:28 PM): I dont have it here

skanda_kumara (07:49:37 PM): but will send later

skanda_kumara (07:49:55 PM): but its based on Parasaras definition of FM & FB for

all lagnas

skanda_kumara (07:50:08 PM): noting particular to Rasi Dasas

in_joy_i_scream (07:50:23 PM): ok. i have read the chapter on deciding results

of Rasi Dasa's extensively, and he doesn't say anything about lordships but says

alot about natural benefic/malefics

in_joy_i_scream (07:50:58 PM): also unless i have misunderstood this. Do you

this knowledge to decide the sequence of the 3 parts of ND?

skanda_kumara (07:51:28 PM): no I use Natural Karakatwa

in_joy_i_scream (07:51:37 PM): ok gotcha, no probs

in_joy_i_scream (07:52:00 PM): now i wanto think about writing an article on

Astakavarga transits. can anyone help me in this regard?

in_joy_i_scream (07:52:18 PM): Rephrase; I am thinking about writing such an

article

sarbani3062002 (07:53:35 PM): The three sequence of ND may be decided thus: 1st

- the rashi itself, 2nd - argalas and drishti on it and 3rd- malefics associated

with it

skanda_kumara (07:54:23 PM): actually it depoends whether its Sirsodaya,

Prishtodaya or ubhayodaya

skanda_kumara (07:54:47 PM): if its Sirso the 1st part will be given by the

house

in_joy_i_scream (07:55:10 PM): which are Pristhtodaya then skanda?

skanda_kumara (07:55:11 PM): if Prioshto results will be given by house during

the 3rd part

skanda_kumara (07:55:25 PM): 1, 2, 4, 9 & 10 are Prishto

in_joy_i_scream (07:55:35 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (07:55:41 PM): Pisces is Ubhayo

skanda_kumara (07:55:49 PM): and the rest are Sirso

in_joy_i_scream (07:55:57 PM): yes i know

skanda_kumara (07:56:15 PM): thne why u ask????

in_joy_i_scream (07:56:17 PM): thx

skanda_kumara (07:56:17 PM): X-(

p_i_l_o_t (07:56:21 PM): phaladeepika gives gemini as ubhayodaya as well.

in_joy_i_scream (07:56:41 PM): i knew the rest i was just curious which

assigning you gave

skanda_kumara (07:56:51 PM): I know there is some confusion

in_joy_i_scream (07:57:25 PM): yes there is

in_joy_i_scream (07:58:38 PM): anything else up for discussion?

sarbani3062002 (07:58:53 PM):

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:06 PM): of Ket

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:11 PM): ketu is ther

sarbani3062002 (07:59:25 PM): why is everybody so quiet today?

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:26 PM): does it change to prishto to shiro and vice

verse

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:27 PM): ?

in_joy_i_scream (07:59:40 PM): not acording to classics sanjay

in_joy_i_scream (07:59:45 PM): haven't seen that anywhere

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:52 PM): refer Rajeeva Gandhi chart

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:55 PM): in the book

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:57 PM): for CAncer

in_joy_i_scream (08:00:04 PM): page?

sanjayprabhakaran (08:00:04 PM): rashi ND results

sanjayprabhakaran (08:00:12 PM): i dont remember the page

p_i_l_o_t (08:00:14 PM): Ketu and Saturn change the order. Since we are talking

about a single house, those riders shouldn't apply

in_joy_i_scream (08:01:57 PM): Sanjay, which article are you reffering to?

 

in_joy_i_scream (08:02:33 PM): back

varahamihira (08:03:39 PM): brb

sanjayprabhakaran (08:04:27 PM): brb

in_joy_i_scream (08:04:36 PM): hmm ok

sarbani3062002 (08:06:09 PM): back

sarbani3062002 (08:06:29 PM): why has the discussion stalled?

sarajitp (08:06:31 PM): hi back

sarajitp (08:08:00 PM): why are you guys so silent

sarbani3062002 (08:08:02 PM): ?

in_joy_i_scream (08:08:17 PM): we need a topic

sarbani3062002 (08:08:24 PM): check the hora Krishnan

sarajitp (08:09:16 PM): why don't someone call Gurudev....

sarbani3062002 (08:09:34 PM): OK...I will

in_joy_i_scream (08:09:34 PM): he's busy

sanjayprabhakaran (08:09:37 PM): he refused I think

p_i_l_o_t (08:09:40 PM): I think it should be Sun's hora here.

dilipastro (08:09:42 PM): Gurudev is online, but busy

sanjayprabhakaran (08:09:44 PM): ask him personnaly

sarajitp (08:09:47 PM): What the utility of the discussion if he is not present

dilipastro (08:09:53 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (08:10:09 PM): has anybody read the mumbai chapter on sjvc-list?

in_joy_i_scream (08:11:07 PM): have you? hello?

p_i_l_o_t (08:11:49 PM): nope.

in_joy_i_scream (08:11:56 PM): why not?

in_joy_i_scream (08:12:18 PM): welcome Gurudeva, Vyam VedaVyasaaya Namah

sanjayrath (08:12:35 PM): Namaste Visti ji

in_joy_i_scream (08:12:45 PM): lol, no need for the bow and the ji

p_i_l_o_t (08:12:55 PM): om namo narayanaya

dilipastro (08:12:59 PM): Pranam Gurudev

in_joy_i_scream (08:13:14 PM): Gurudeva, I'm caught between Astakavarga transits

and Karma Phala of topics for an article

in_joy_i_scream (08:13:17 PM): both are very interesting

sanjayprabhakaran (08:13:33 PM): Namaste Guruji

sanjayrath (08:13:37 PM): I disagree. Namaste is not for the personal Visti. It

means " I bow to the divine in you " , so I am boying to Krishna in your

heart..please allow

sarajitp (08:13:46 PM): Namashkar Gurudev

in_joy_i_scream (08:13:47 PM): yes please do so

in_joy_i_scream (08:14:26 PM): in that case Om Namo Gurudevaya

sanjayrath (08:14:36 PM): AV is too complicated and u guys make it look like

kids play..that speaks volumes about your genius

in_joy_i_scream (08:14:53 PM): oh lol i have barely begun

sanjayrath (08:15:37 PM): Namaste Sarajit, Sanjay, Dilip who's pilot?

in_joy_i_scream (08:15:39 PM): but yes that was the reason i never used it.

sanjayprabhakaran (08:16:03 PM): Pilot is Ajit Krishnan

sanjayrath (08:16:10 PM): Good Visti, then why are you suddenly writing an

article on it?

sarajitp (08:16:17 PM): Namshkar Again

in_joy_i_scream (08:16:26 PM): i haven't, but i wanto learn more.. maybe an

article will come out

in_joy_i_scream (08:16:43 PM): actually you got me started into it

sarajitp (08:16:52 PM): Why don't you discuss something which can be useful to

all of us

in_joy_i_scream (08:16:57 PM): remember; " Astakavarga transits in marriage "

sanjayrath (08:17:05 PM): I have a very important message - don't touch the pen

till u know whta to write

in_joy_i_scream (08:17:56 PM):

sarajitp (08:18:00 PM): I got that in your first mail only

sarajitp (08:18:11 PM): and thereafter I am extra careful

sanjayrath (08:18:17 PM): Ajit hows your studies going on? There's poor

attendance at SJVC west and I hope you can come

sarbani3062002 (08:18:23 PM): Pranam Sanjayji...sorry just saw your message

about being tied down...or would not have called you

sanjayrath (08:18:50 PM): who is greatfriend 1230?

in_joy_i_scream (08:18:52 PM): welcome Raj

greatfriend1230 (08:18:52 PM): pranams room

p_i_l_o_t (08:19:03 PM): I am blessed by Sarajit's company. I too hope to be

able to attend, but I won't know for some time.

greatfriend1230 (08:19:17 PM): pranams to rath ji

sanjayrath (08:19:45 PM): Don't get too friendly to Sarajit..then he will

convince you to run away to the himalayas instead of returning to Canada

sarajitp (08:19:52 PM): Some who is mercuri

greatfriend1230 (08:19:54 PM): sir iam rajkumar..from salem..3

sarajitp (08:19:55 PM): mercurial

sanjayrath (08:19:58 PM): Namaskar Raj

in_joy_i_scream (08:20:02 PM):

sarajitp (08:20:10 PM): and has some Venusian qualities

greatfriend1230 (08:20:11 PM): 35..yrs old

sarajitp (08:20:16 PM): ha ha ha

sarajitp (08:20:24 PM): Namaste Raj

sanjayrath (08:20:41 PM): Visti..the other topic is good..Karma phala and you

can really do a good job aout there working on each of the Karaka, the Karyesha

etc

in_joy_i_scream (08:20:42 PM): Anjaneya, its contageous

greatfriend1230 (08:20:55 PM): iam elated to join this elite group

p_i_l_o_t (08:20:56 PM): I'm afraid it's too late for that....as for the

himalayas, I'll wait on it for now.

greatfriend1230 (08:21:51 PM): hi sarj

in_joy_i_scream (08:22:05 PM): Gurudeva then so be it. Now please lets continue

our discussion on the future of the soul, and with luck we can go back to the

past?

sanjayrath (08:22:43 PM): Anshu had dropped in today and I just felt like giving

a lecture on Chaturthamsa,..so he got it all and is writing an article for the

Conference at hyderabad

in_joy_i_scream (08:22:59 PM): oh lol

sarajitp (08:23:04 PM): Hello.. Greatfriend.. whats ur Lagna

sanjayrath (08:23:07 PM): What soul?? I have such a terrible memory

in_joy_i_scream (08:23:09 PM): What does Anshu mean Gurudev?

sarajitp (08:23:15 PM): and whats the influence of Venus and Mercury on it

sanjayrath (08:23:22 PM): Anshu is Anshumalee sood

greatfriend1230 (08:23:28 PM): cancer

in_joy_i_scream (08:23:32 PM): yes i heard the name.. what does it mean?

sanjayrath (08:24:24 PM): He is the editor of Vedic Astrology and is also a good

friend and student of mine. That article on D-4 will answer a lot of questions

in_joy_i_scream (08:24:40 PM): What does Anshu mean?

sarajitp (08:24:49 PM): Gurudev, I shall be dropping at your place tomorrow

dilipastro (08:24:54 PM): Anshumalee was associated with Dr. K S Charak's

Magazine, I think

sarajitp (08:25:10 PM): I was thinking of today only,but somehow I got late in

office

sanjayrath (08:25:12 PM): No sarajit No..nobody is allowed to even loiter around

the garden

in_joy_i_scream (08:25:29 PM): you have given a Shastyamsa division called;

" Amrit Anshu " ?

in_joy_i_scream (08:25:50 PM): and one called; " Amrirtanshu "

sanjayrath (08:25:54 PM): Thats a lot of nectar out there Visti

sarajitp (08:25:56 PM): Okay I will stand in one Leg and start doing Tapasya

infront of your house

dilipastro (08:26:13 PM):

p_i_l_o_t (08:26:23 PM): Because of Sarajit's influence, I will stand on the

other leg.

in_joy_i_scream (08:26:31 PM): ok, i will translate that as " Alot of Nectar "

sanjayrath (08:26:36 PM): Visti did you work on a few Upapada of charts from

Lag, Moon & Sun?

in_joy_i_scream (08:26:57 PM): i took a long hard look at yours.

sanjayrath (08:27:12 PM): Go on

in_joy_i_scream (08:27:56 PM): Now your grandfather must have given you the name

change to direct you towards that area of life no doubt.. thats as clear as

crystal.. clear crystal that is

p_i_l_o_t (08:27:59 PM): sarajit's computer is acting up. we will be terminal

sharing.

skanda_kumara (08:28:12 PM): Hello All

sanjayrath (08:28:24 PM): Narayan is that u?

skanda_kumara (08:28:30 PM): yes Gurudeva

sanjayrath (08:28:56 PM): great just hear what Visti has to tell us

in_joy_i_scream (08:29:01 PM): Now i figured that any grahas influencing this

Upapada, must show grahas binding one to the earth.

skanda_kumara (08:29:02 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:29:19 PM): that is; earth, desires and rebirth

sanjayrath (08:29:54 PM): go on, then I'll ask questions

in_joy_i_scream (08:29:55 PM): so it doesn't matter whether they are malefic or

benefic, they will merely bind one, hence the fast is for any influence on this

area

skanda_kumara (08:30:22 PM): whats the topic on???

in_joy_i_scream (08:30:26 PM): the nature of such grahas influencing would only

color the type of hankerings. the cleaner the easier.

skanda_kumara (08:30:31 PM): Fasting on Upapada days???

sanjayrath (08:30:38 PM): Lets say UL is in Leo with the Sun in it. Is this bad?

in_joy_i_scream (08:31:01 PM): Sun upholds Dharma.. it won't be bad, but still

one is bound

sarajitp (08:31:07 PM): What is good and what is bad?

sanjayrath (08:31:12 PM): How is one bound?

p_i_l_o_t (08:31:23 PM): the UL also shows the nature of the spouse. Sun in UL

can be a blesing.

sarajitp (08:31:55 PM): it shows that the spouse will be from a learned family

sanjayprabhakaran (08:32:07 PM): sun is Naisargika Ak

sanjayrath (08:32:09 PM): Then what is the difference between the UL & A7? Which

binds us and brings us back?

in_joy_i_scream (08:32:10 PM): in case of Sun, one is bound to marry for the

sake of furthering dharma.

sanjayprabhakaran (08:32:11 PM): so it will help

skanda_kumara (08:32:17 PM): Learned and Noble/Royal

sanjayprabhakaran (08:32:39 PM): Sun helps in release this body (A12)

skanda_kumara (08:32:59 PM): Shouldnt Ketu do that???

in_joy_i_scream (08:33:07 PM): hmm... i keep getting into that jam

sanjayprabhakaran (08:33:08 PM): Ketu would also

sarajitp (08:33:20 PM): the binding corresponds to desire, whereas the release

is seen from 12th

sanjayprabhakaran (08:33:32 PM): Yes Atma will help

sarajitp (08:33:32 PM): and hence the Arudha should show similar things

p_i_l_o_t (08:33:35 PM): The 12th house relates to the institution of marriage

(dharma) while the 7th shows relationships (adharma - fullfulling desires).

Hence A7 would necessarily bind, while UL need not. Depends on the motives

behind the marriage.

sarajitp (08:33:56 PM): desire is 7th.. thats what I meant

sanjayrath (08:34:06 PM): That is precisely why I had asked the Bangalore SJVC

to po nder over the peculiar situation where Ramakrishna Paramhamsa was married

yet celibate!

in_joy_i_scream (08:34:22 PM): yes i understand the sex vs marriage thing

in_joy_i_scream (08:34:45 PM): the binding i'm reffering to is closely

assocaited with the Upapada from Moon .i.e. the minds hankerings

sanjayrath (08:35:20 PM): My wife says that Jyotish is my first wife and that

she feels like ....?? So you see this is marriage a life long relationship of

give and give NOT give and take

in_joy_i_scream (08:35:20 PM): How can the mind gain liberation if it always

wants togo around slapping peoples wrists to tell them to stop doing wrong?

skanda_kumara (08:35:39 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:35:44 PM): i.e. Sun in Chandra-Upapada

in_joy_i_scream (08:36:03 PM): yes thats the binding that i'm trying to get into

the picture gurudeva

sarajitp (08:36:07 PM): That should be seen from the UL from Sun

sanjayrath (08:36:13 PM): We will talk of that as a second step..get UL right

first

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:44 PM): so Marraige is a Yagya

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:49 PM): sacrifice

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:51 PM): UL

sanjayrath (08:37:10 PM): The mana also wants release and it needs deep rest

like meditation. The UC (Upapada-Chandra) is meant for that.

skanda_kumara (08:37:23 PM): okie

in_joy_i_scream (08:37:44 PM): what am i missing in regards to UL?

sanjayrath (08:38:18 PM): Now if the b ody has decided to lie down in the

posture of Narayana (Ananta saayana) and the mind also joins it, it will not be

long before the atma also joins it

in_joy_i_scream (08:38:50 PM): ok! gotcha

in_joy_i_scream (08:39:18 PM): so you were referring to the actual activity of

the person

sanjayrath (08:39:37 PM): Yes, the activity of marriage

sanjayrath (08:39:55 PM): Sarabani..I hope you are reading this

sarbani3062002 (08:40:21 PM): yes...missed the first up as I got disconnected

sarajitp (08:40:24 PM): can you elaborate please

in_joy_i_scream (08:40:32 PM): Again, any grahas influencing the Upapada, will

show the activity, leading to or diverting the person from lying down?

sanjayrath (08:41:36 PM): No Visti, they will only show the act of GIVING. If

the Sun associates, the eyes will be gone and sight will be bad. In this manner

the grahas influencing decide what we have to give

sanjayprabhakaran (08:42:07 PM): ok!

in_joy_i_scream (08:42:09 PM): ahhh

in_joy_i_scream (08:42:15 PM): cheers Sarajit

sanjayrath (08:42:39 PM): You see none of you answered this first question

properly and there is a specific dictum for this in JS

in_joy_i_scream (08:42:49 PM): yes

sarajitp (08:43:11 PM): I was waiting for others....

in_joy_i_scream (08:43:19 PM): lol anjaneya

sanjayrath (08:43:37 PM): Sarajit, so you are standing in one leg..already

skanda_kumara (08:43:51 PM): So Ketu in UL .. means giving awaya Moksha???

sarajitp (08:44:06 PM): what Ketu has to give?

sanjayrath (08:44:20 PM): No no, this is the physical part that is given

away..the physical blessing of ketu

sanjayprabhakaran (08:44:20 PM): spirituality

skanda_kumara (08:44:32 PM): ok

sarbani3062002 (08:44:34 PM): What doyou mean by 'giving away' moksha?

sanjayrath (08:44:58 PM): Spouse is spiritual with Ketu in UL

skanda_kumara (08:45:04 PM): okie

dilipastro (08:45:16 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:45:36 PM): So gurudeva, why do we fast on days of the

upapda. Why not instead pray to the deity of the graha influencing it?

sarajitp (08:45:51 PM): here one should distinguish between UL as Upapada (which

follows) and Vyapada (which cause Loss)

skanda_kumara (08:46:03 PM): good point Anjaneyaa

sarajitp (08:46:22 PM): That Gurudeva's Grace

sanjayprabhakaran (08:46:22 PM): how to distinguish?

p_i_l_o_t (08:46:28 PM): UL shows nature of spouse, and associations show vyaya?

in_joy_i_scream (08:46:43 PM): Vyayapada and Upapada are the same.

in_joy_i_scream (08:46:50 PM): Vyaya is another name for the 12th house

sanjayrath (08:46:59 PM): Fasting on days of the Upapada ensures that the GIVING

away is not harsh..the suffering is not beyond management and that the person

who is supposed to be the receiver does not either go away nor does he/she

become harsh and make life miserable. Give with a smile and so help me God

p_i_l_o_t (08:47:01 PM): by associations, I mean aspects.

sarajitp (08:47:14 PM): yes... thats what I meant, the two sides of UL

skanda_kumara (08:47:23 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:47:27 PM): gotcha sanjay

p_i_l_o_t (08:47:31 PM): Ketu in UL gives a spiritual wife....it shows what the

wife has given away? in this case, the physical part?

in_joy_i_scream (08:47:54 PM): no Ajit, what you have given away.. not the

spouse

sarbani3062002 (08:48:03 PM): Sanjayji, you seem to say that marriageis only

about giving? And not giving and recieving?

sanjayrath (08:48:41 PM): Sarabani..I am clear on the shastra..marriage is to

give and give and NOT to give and take

dilipastro (08:49:02 PM): thats great

in_joy_i_scream (08:49:05 PM): makes sense

sanjayprabhakaran (08:49:05 PM):

sarbani3062002 (08:49:13 PM):

greatfriend1230 (08:49:13 PM): i agree with guruji..rath

skanda_kumara (08:49:27 PM): who is greatfiend???

dilipastro (08:49:44 PM): Raj

sarajitp (08:49:50 PM): a friend of all....hence great

dilipastro (08:49:59 PM):

skanda_kumara (08:50:02 PM): thanks )

greatfriend1230 (08:50:03 PM): a human thirsty for knowledge

p_i_l_o_t (08:50:08 PM): If Ketu in UL shows that the native gives away the

physical part, why is the spouse spiritual?

in_joy_i_scream (08:50:11 PM): So now that we're lying down, then how to get the

mind to rest? I have trouble sleeping lately

skanda_kumara (08:50:31 PM): there are 2 aspects to UL

sanjayrath (08:50:36 PM): Now you see Sarabani, the taking part relates to A7

and this is where we mix things and get into a mess

in_joy_i_scream (08:50:41 PM): UL shows the inner nature of the spouse Ajit, the

one you are giving away to

skanda_kumara (08:50:41 PM): one is UL as following Lineage & Wife

skanda_kumara (08:50:53 PM): 2nd is Manifestation of Losses

sarbani3062002 (08:51:44 PM): I don't think it is only physical...if we are

talking about give and give, then it must be giving is all spheres. If the

spouse is spiritual, will h/she make the giving easier? And won'y h/she give in

return?

sarbani3062002 (08:52:08 PM): sorry about the typos

in_joy_i_scream (08:52:11 PM): welcome Karthik

sanjayrath (08:52:18 PM): Look at this from another point of View..from the

point of view of the Yagna of life. The giving away of a daughetr is considered

a great deed and the receiver is Sri Ram (Sun).

rastapoppolous (08:52:18 PM): thanks, hi everyone

sanjayrath (08:52:43 PM): Namaskar Karthik

rastapoppolous (08:52:54 PM): guruji pranam

sarajitp (08:53:07 PM): Namaste Karthik

rastapoppolous (08:53:09 PM): it is my blessing that i get to chat with you

rastapoppolous (08:53:17 PM): namaste sarajit

sanjayrath (08:53:40 PM): That is why Vivaha is considered auspicious and not

'marriage' in the sence seen today

skanda_kumara (08:53:54 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (08:53:56 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:54:01 PM): gurudev, who are we giving to in the UC?

sarbani3062002 (08:54:20 PM): I understand Janak giving and Ram recieving. And

then its Sita giving and Ram recieving?

sanjayrath (08:54:22 PM): Thats for you to think and tell

in_joy_i_scream (08:54:44 PM): Surely the marriage of the mind is with the

senses.

in_joy_i_scream (08:54:56 PM): Hence giving the senses what they want, the mind

becomes free

in_joy_i_scream (08:55:13 PM): ?

sanjayrath (08:55:30 PM): Thats the logic of the enjoyers the ajvaika's like

OSHO

in_joy_i_scream (08:55:38 PM): yes

skanda_kumara (08:55:42 PM): No realizing by meditation /sadhana etc .. the true

nature of senses and mind, it gets freedom

sarajitp (08:55:55 PM): if the feeling is possessed by Everyone, then the world

would be so good

sanjayrath (08:55:57 PM): Narayan u are closer

sanjayprabhakaran (08:55:59 PM): Marraige of mind should be to Soul

sanjayprabhakaran (08:56:04 PM): ?

sanjayrath (08:56:15 PM): no sanjay

skanda_kumara (08:56:34 PM): The MAya is broken when Mind comes to realization

sanjayrath (08:56:49 PM): I'll give a hint - Gita

sanjayprabhakaran (08:56:56 PM): ^

dilipastro (08:57:14 PM): Mama Maaya duratyaya

sanjayrath (08:57:34 PM): dilip you are not thinking

dilipastro (08:58:06 PM): right Gurudev, sorry

in_joy_i_scream (08:58:22 PM): hmm...

in_joy_i_scream (08:58:45 PM): my mind is full of krishna, and the chariot he

pulled

sanjayrath (08:58:57 PM): I think I will call it a day here. Read the Gita and

get back to me..if you have read it you would know the answer

sanjayprabhakaran (08:59:13 PM): Karma yoga?

sanjayrath (08:59:46 PM): Yoga is the answer sanjaya.well done you have been

named well

sanjayprabhakaran (09:00:11 PM): thank you gurudeva

in_joy_i_scream (09:00:33 PM): thanx for your time gurudeva, sleep tight and

peacefully

sanjayrath (09:00:37 PM): Detatchment from the senses. Not vice versa as Osho

taught

skanda_kumara (09:00:50 PM): Goodnight Gurudeva ... Thanks for everything

sanjayrath (09:00:53 PM): Guten nakht

skanda_kumara (09:01:00 PM):

sanjayprabhakaran (09:01:03 PM):

in_joy_i_scream (09:01:05 PM): its Nacht

sarajitp (09:01:08 PM): yes all the yoga paths move towards

dilipastro (09:01:08 PM): Pranam Gurudev

sarajitp (09:01:09 PM): that

sarajitp (09:01:15 PM): Good Nite

rastapoppolous (09:01:15 PM): pranam guruji

in_joy_i_scream (09:01:23 PM): Pranaam

sarajitp (09:01:24 PM): Nice having you here

p_i_l_o_t (09:01:26 PM): om namo narayanaya

sarbani3062002 (09:01:35 PM): Pranam Sanjayji

sanjayrath (09:01:36 PM): namaskar everyone

sanjayprabhakaran (09:01:45 PM): wow

in_joy_i_scream (09:01:48 PM): oh boy

skanda_kumara (09:01:52 PM): )

in_joy_i_scream (09:01:54 PM): brb

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:07 PM): I got tensed thinking

skanda_kumara (09:02:18 PM):

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:24 PM):

sarbani3062002 (09:02:26 PM): Skanda, can you send me the transcript please?

Since I missed a large chunk?

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:32 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:34 PM): brb

skanda_kumara (09:02:37 PM): anyways I had no idea what the conversation was abt

skanda_kumara (09:02:49 PM): I wd need the transcripts from someone

sarbani3062002 (09:02:51 PM): )

sarbani3062002 (09:03:03 PM): Sanjay?

rastapoppolous (09:03:03 PM): i came in at the last moment, any one has the

transcripts ?

sarajitp (09:03:57 PM): now the thinking begins here

sarbani3062002 (09:04:03 PM): Sanjay will you send me the transcripts?

in_joy_i_scream (09:04:14 PM): i have them all

skanda_kumara (09:04:16 PM): Sanjay is *brb*

sarbani3062002 (09:04:33 PM): Visti...as usual I need your help in this

 

 

in_joy_i_scream: have you tried the voice conference?

sanjayrath: hello Visti

sanjayrath: No, I don't have headphones

in_joy_i_scream: do you have a speaker?

sanjayrath: yes

in_joy_i_scream: then listen

in_joy_i_scream: did u hear anything?

sanjayrath: no can you invite sarabani for this conference again?

sarbani3062002: Made it

sanjayrath: have you thought about the Moon?

sarbani3062002: Are you asking me?

sanjayrath: yes the two of you

in_joy_i_scream: i always think about the moon.. its a curse .l

in_joy_i_scream: lol

in_joy_i_scream: yes sanjay we can hear you

sanjayrath: visti i have a mike out here and just pressed talk

in_joy_i_scream: oh its believeble

in_joy_i_scream: sarbani can you hear us?

sanjayprabhakaran: Namaste

sanjayrath: I think I will type out my message for posterity..

sanjayrath: namaskar sanjay

yeeahoo_99: hi all

sanjayprabhakaran: Guruji I could hear

yeeahoo_99: namaste sanjay ji

sanjayrath: Have you thought about the Upapada from chandra

in_joy_i_scream: Gurudeva, you have checked the " Hands Free " checkbox.. we can

hear what your typing and saying

sanjayprabhakaran: yes

sanjayprabhakaran: I can hear

sarbani3062002: back...sorry got disconnected

sanjayprabhakaran: noice

in_joy_i_scream: ok back to the keyboard

sanjayrath: Sarabani whats your answer to the mind?

sarbani3062002: I don't follow your question? I missed the earlier part of the

discussion

in_joy_i_scream: Sarbani, the Upapada from Moon

sarbani3062002: yes, what about it?

sanjayrath: The earlier part related to yesterday where we discussed the Uapapda

Lagna now we are talking about the Upapada chandra. whats your view on this?

in_joy_i_scream: we were talking about the ways of liberating the mind. the

conclussion was to detach it from the senses, instead ofhte Osho-way

in_joy_i_scream: *of the

sarbani3062002: Ok, got you

yeeahoo_99: but osho had Guru-ketu together

yeeahoo_99: in D-9

in_joy_i_scream: Everyone this is Nitish Arya

in_joy_i_scream: yeeahoo = Nitish, for those who didn't know

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

in_joy_i_scream: Nitish we were discussing the path that Osho taught, when it

came to liberating the mind.

sanjayprabhakaran: brb

yeeahoo_99: oh .. ok.. not what he achieved himself

in_joy_i_scream: Osho felt it was necessary to fulfill the minds desires,

instead of supressing it

sanjayrath: Swami Abhedananda, on the directions of Ramakrishna had gone to UK

for various experiments on this area. He says that after death the person (i.e.

Mana + Atma) continues to do what it likes to do during life and gradually this

leaves. Here we talk of hobbies and those things which help the mind to relax

in_joy_i_scream: Astrology could be such a subject

sanjayrath: Things we like to " spend " mental energies on

sarbani3062002: You can detach it from the senses by controlling the senses...so

the moon would have to be powerful in order to achieve this

sarbani3062002: mental energies can be spend in controlling the senses

in_joy_i_scream: There is an example given in SB where a person attached to his

family and riches, doesn't escape them and is reborn again

sanjayrath: I guess my Upapada from Lag, Moon & Sun are in 8th house in

Libra..so I will be doing Jyotish in this life, after life and even with

Bhagavan!!!

sarbani3062002:

in_joy_i_scream: that would be quite interesting gurudeva

yeeahoo_99: But UL is for marital relations .. isn't it sanjay ji?

sanjayrath: I am not sure whether bhagavan will appreciate such meddling in His

affairs!

in_joy_i_scream: Rama Krishna Paramahamsa had Sun and Moon in Lagna, so by

default all Upapadas from Sun Moon and Lagna fell in the same sign

yeeahoo_99: so did queen victoria had

in_joy_i_scream: Nitish let me send you the past emails, this is a continuance

of a past discussion

sanjayrath: OK Visit will do this explaining now..visti can you send yesterdays

transcript to Varahamihira class?

yeeahoo_99: ok.. please send

in_joy_i_scream: oh i have 4 transcripts that are all relevant

in_joy_i_scream: i will send them all to varahamihira. and to you nitish because

ur following this discussion. Sarbani allready has them

sanjayrath: That is the main point. Now do you get the REAL meaning of the word

GAUNA PADA i.e. these are the points where very constructive energies are spent

in_joy_i_scream: nitish which email?

yeeahoo_99: my mail address is anitish

sarbani3062002: Visti you speak about escaping family and riches, thats one of

the senses/desires that one has to detach from...will the chandra UL become more

significant than UL in this respect?

sarbani3062002: Sanjayji you asked about the moon...won't it play a crucial role

in helping a person detatching from the senses? You would require a strong mind

for that?

in_joy_i_scream: Yes The Chanda UL (UC), will be more significant because the

body is allready gone but the mind is still attached to its former enjoyments

sanjayrath: Can we say " dwelling on the senses? "

yeeahoo_99: but a passionate mind .. i.e moon under the influence of some

powerful benefic can do that as well sarbani ji...

sarbani3062002: The real detachment is from the mind, it is far simpler to

detach from the body

sanjayrath: Thats the point again Nitishji..the bhavas are also reckoned from

the Moon, but their implications are different

sarbani3062002: You mean the mind will continue to dwell on the senses?

sanjayrath: Precisely Sarabani..and I didn't say that Abhedanandaji said so

sanjayrath: Think about Adhi Yoga..why does this form when benefics are in 6 7 &

8 houses from Moon..why 6 or 8. Will Jupiter out here give Sakata or Adhi yoga?

sarbani3062002: So how do you 'de-dwell' the mind? Rather, will the senses have

to be de-housed?

in_joy_i_scream: did Abhedanandaji test this through Out of Body experiences?

sanjayrath: Visti yes. Its rather uncanny and I don't know whether you will like

to read the book " LIFE AFTER DEATH " which has photographs etc of the

experiments, mediums and what not all..shocking. There are many other records

outside this book as well

in_joy_i_scream: I ask because i've done the same consciously

yeeahoo_99: really visti

sarbani3062002: could you explain Visti

in_joy_i_scream: in such a state, the mind moves to places thought of, and

aren't restricted to movement of the being

in_joy_i_scream: hence the places met, and found at the speed of the mind

in_joy_i_scream: i have done so 1-2 times, but now i don't do it without

practicing Narayana Kavacha

yeeahoo_99: Did you notice the dashas' of the planets at that time when u did

that experiment.. I think it can help

in_joy_i_scream: I will try to find the book you mentioned Gurudev

sarbani3062002: You speak of it very easily...is it really that simple:-/

sanjayprabhakaran: 7th from Moon is Heart

in_joy_i_scream: well it takes some desire to atleast try to attain this

sanjayrath: Hello Visit??

in_joy_i_scream: hello Sanjay, where were you?

sanjayprabhakaran: back

sanjayprabhakaran: its morning here

sarbani3062002: can we get back?

in_joy_i_scream: Sarbani its not hard, but again not simple. What i did was

detach from the body completely. and then attempted to move as if i still were

using my body

in_joy_i_scream: as a result my consciousness moved.. not my body

in_joy_i_scream: best after meditation

sanjayprabhakaran: yes

sanjayprabhakaran: i can hear

sanjayprabhakaran: Gurji only u speak

sanjayprabhakaran: the rest will just type

yeeahoo_99: thats' a good trick visti.. I never thought of it

yeeahoo_99: I will try to do that way

sarbani3062002: you mean your consciousness left the body or in other words, you

lost bodily awareness?

in_joy_i_scream: Anyway that was just a small addition. Fact is that the mind

moves to the place it wants to be.

sanjayprabhakaran: Today morning I felt i was being woken up by somebody

sarbani3062002: Yes

sanjayprabhakaran: i hope it was not u

in_joy_i_scream: i had to loose bodily awareness before moving my consciousness

to somewhere else

sarbani3062002: So we are talking about controlling the desire of the mind?

in_joy_i_scream: Nope sanjay, it wasn't me

sanjayprabhakaran: Well i donno

in_joy_i_scream: Sanjay its due to some inner guides helping you towards your

goal

sanjayprabhakaran: but i did feel that somebody was badly awkaning me...

in_joy_i_scream: your opening up to them through meditation,

sanjayprabhakaran: I called that person Angaraka

sanjayprabhakaran: u see Sarajit and Narayana calls me Angaaraka

in_joy_i_scream: yes i was experimenting with such things/guides a few years

ago.

in_joy_i_scream: You will have to wait abit for Sanjay, he's logging back in

with a better connection.

sarbani3062002: hence does that mean chandra UL will help us control the desires

of the mind/and the planets therein show the areas of the desires of the mind?

Sanjayji?

in_joy_i_scream: anyway Sarbani, as a result i could move around my house, at

the desire of movement

in_joy_i_scream: he will brb sarb

sarbani3062002: Ok, I got a bit confused betwee the Sanjays

sarbani3062002: I mean bewteen the two Sanjays

in_joy_i_scream: yup

sanjayprabhakaran:

sanjayprabhakaran: call him Guruji

in_joy_i_scream: Also Sanjay you can ask your inner self to wake you up during

certain times. I suspect its the guides doing this for us, but not completely

sure

sanjayprabhakaran: cast a prashna now

in_joy_i_scream: but this is good sanjay, keep up ur meditation

sanjayprabhakaran: Visti

in_joy_i_scream: ok

sarbani3062002: Oh he has disappered!

sanjayprabhakaran: I did SoHam mantra before going to sleep

in_joy_i_scream: number between 1-108?

sanjayprabhakaran: 43

in_joy_i_scream: Arudha Lagna falls in the 9th with Merc in own sign

in_joy_i_scream: hmm... this isn't good, these spirits aren't friendly

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

in_joy_i_scream: Prashna Arudha falls in Taurus

in_joy_i_scream: no wait wait

in_joy_i_scream: yes, its true, Prashna Arudha falls in Taurus, with Saturn and

Rahu

in_joy_i_scream: i will send you the prasna for reference.

sanjayprabhakaran: i just

sanjayprabhakaran: cast here

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

sanjayprabhakaran: assumed the lagna to

sanjayprabhakaran: Ta

sanjayprabhakaran: anyway please send

sanjayprabhakaran: Jup aspects any rememdy?

sarbani3062002: Visti once you finish with this I want to ask you something

in_joy_i_scream: yes definitely a remedy, let me analyse natal chart

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

in_joy_i_scream: Saturn and Mars should associate with the deity, to indicate

such spirits following one

in_joy_i_scream: Saturn aspects AK in Navamsa

in_joy_i_scream: either way they are removed by worship of Istha. try the

Dwadasi Rama-Taraka Mantra

sanjayprabhakaran: I do Om Namah Shivaya

sanjayprabhakaran: 6 Akshara

sanjayprabhakaran: fallas in 6th house

sanjayprabhakaran: the Ram TAraka Mantra?

in_joy_i_scream: that could be part of the problem sanjay, Rahu+Mars+Saturn

aspecting!!

sanjayprabhakaran: Sarajit told

sanjayprabhakaran: that Guruji

in_joy_i_scream: Ram

in_joy_i_scream: ?

sanjayprabhakaran: once told him

sanjayprabhakaran: that Ishta devata mantra

sanjayprabhakaran: alpabets

sanjayprabhakaran: can either

sanjayprabhakaran: fall in trines

sanjayprabhakaran: or 7th house from

sanjayprabhakaran: ID planet in Rasi

sanjayprabhakaran: can u please tell the RAma Taraka Mantra

in_joy_i_scream: yes sure, but your triggering the 6th house with that mantra,

where some very inaspicious grahas are

sanjayprabhakaran: Mars is Ak

in_joy_i_scream: actually my mistake its Rama Beeja Mantra

sanjayprabhakaran: Shreem?

sanjayprabhakaran: or Ram

in_joy_i_scream: " Ram Param-AtmaRam Niranjana "

sanjayprabhakaran: my ID is Shiva

sanjayprabhakaran: My Ishta is Shiva

in_joy_i_scream: Sun is with Mercury in Rasi. It could just as well be Sri Rama

sanjayprabhakaran: hmm

sanjayprabhakaran: I dint' know that

in_joy_i_scream: if you feel shiva should be the one, then check for a dwadasi

mantra instead

sanjayprabhakaran: ACtually I like both dieties

in_joy_i_scream: Ask Gurudeva for clarification then, i think your mantra is

attracting the spirits

in_joy_i_scream: Sarbani u were saying?

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

sarbani3062002: Yes I ahve a question after you finish with Sanjay

in_joy_i_scream: well i guess we are finished for this round

in_joy_i_scream: shoot sarbani!

sarbani3062002: OK its about yestreday's discussion

in_joy_i_scream: that is; please give do ask

sarbani3062002: we were discussing UL

in_joy_i_scream: blah, yes what about it?

in_joy_i_scream: k

sarbani3062002: well you wrote that planets in UL show the desires that will tie

us down? Am I right?

in_joy_i_scream: i wrote that, but i was corrected

sarbani3062002: could you explain?

yeeahoo_99: what was the correction?

in_joy_i_scream: Actually planets associating with Upapada, show what we must

give, to be able to lie down peacefully

sarbani3062002: I had not quote followed the discussion and was about to buzz

you when this conf was called.

sarbani3062002: ok

in_joy_i_scream: you can call it being binded, since we don't get to sleep

before we have given.

sarbani3062002: so the planets show where and how we must give?

sarbani3062002: thats why he said marriage was giving?

in_joy_i_scream: to be more exact, it shows what physical feature must be given

in_joy_i_scream: Sun=eyesight, Jup=hearing

in_joy_i_scream: etc

sarbani3062002: how can you give physical feature?

in_joy_i_scream: because ur giving it to your spouse

sarbani3062002: ok, what if ketu is in UL

in_joy_i_scream: if the spouse as Sun in Lagna, (s)he's always saying " Look at

me! Look at me! "

yeeahoo_99: I don't understand that... how do you give even if to spouse

in_joy_i_scream: if you have weak eyesight, you may go blind do to the strain

sarbani3062002: o-k-a-y

yeeahoo_99: strain of what visti?

in_joy_i_scream: of looking

yeeahoo_99: oh... only if sun is in UL

yeeahoo_99: ok

sarbani3062002: so will chandra UL help you 'give'?

in_joy_i_scream: in both cases we are trying to minimize the giving, so that we

don't actually go blind, etc

in_joy_i_scream: thats why we fast on days of the upapada.

in_joy_i_scream: For the mind, we must direct it so it doesn't keep becoming

attached to sense gratification

sarbani3062002: 'minimize' the giving? I thought SR was speaking about 'giving

and giving'. He was very emphatic about it

sarbani3062002: ok...now hold it there

in_joy_i_scream: marriage is about giving, but if you give your eyesight, how

can you read the vedas?

in_joy_i_scream: We make the giving easier for both parties, by fasting on days

of the upapada

in_joy_i_scream: smoother if u will

sarbani3062002: how do you link the question of giving with detaching the sense

in_joy_i_scream: I ran into alot of obstacles there, because The mind wants to

be pleased. And it may try todo so through sense gratification.. actually it

does so through anything it can

in_joy_i_scream: if you can calm the mind through meditation then you have given

it peace

sarbani3062002: yes

sarbani3062002: yes

in_joy_i_scream: the problem some face in understanding here, is that one isn't

taking anything away from the mind in this case, only giving it what it wants..

it wants peace

in_joy_i_scream: it may seek peace through many ways

sarbani3062002: so detachment of the sense and 'giving' in marriage go hand in

hand?

sarbani3062002: and the planets in UL will show this?

in_joy_i_scream: see thats where Osho had a problem Sarb.. how can detachment be

giving?

sarbani3062002: go on

in_joy_i_scream: we maybe detaching the mind from the senses, but we are giving

it peace

in_joy_i_scream: Both wife and Mind want peace.. so we give it to them

sarbani3062002: we are giving the mind peace by detaching it from the senses.

Now how do we correlate it to 'giving' in marriage?

sarbani3062002: ok, ok

sarbani3062002: this is a subtle correlation

sarbani3062002: I am slowly getting it

sarbani3062002: No, got it

sarbani3062002: this is a facsinating view of marriage?

in_joy_i_scream: you can test this on your own mind and see how it gets attached

to sense gratification and why

sarbani3062002: hmmmm

in_joy_i_scream: Well if you look at your spouse, then they stop screaming.. and

they get peace .lol so do you

in_joy_i_scream: give until satisfied

sarbani3062002: hey, but here I ma gratifying my senses by giving

sarbani3062002: there is a very thin divide here

in_joy_i_scream: whatever pleases ur mind

yeeahoo_99: not the sense but the mind sarbani

in_joy_i_scream: in other words sarbani... whatever makes u happy

yeeahoo_99: but thats' what osho also said

in_joy_i_scream: yes but he thought he had to please himself to be happy

in_joy_i_scream: or rather, he thought he had to 'take' to be happy

yeeahoo_99: he taught or he thought ?

sarbani3062002: yes...but we are not talking of sense gratifucation in order to

release the mind

sarbani3062002: the mind can be only released through sense detachment

yeeahoo_99: perhaps

in_joy_i_scream: Osho taught that the sense-detachment would come once the mind

was satisfied with its gratification.

in_joy_i_scream: so both are aiming at the same thing

yeeahoo_99: well I agree with you at this statement visti

in_joy_i_scream: i.e. once the person is satisfied, the person won't " desire "

for anything anymore, and be happy

yeeahoo_99: u are correct about what I think of what osho taught.. but I don't

know what he thought

in_joy_i_scream: but fact is, sense gratification, leads to more sense-desires

sarbani3062002: yes thats osho's views

sarbani3062002: agreed Visti

yeeahoo_99: yeah... but that mayn't be a fact to those who are passionate enough

sarbani3062002: so not gratification but control of the senses

yeeahoo_99: so that that passion ends up the desires

sarbani3062002: you give through controlling your senses

in_joy_i_scream: again sarbani.. whatever pleases the mind

yeeahoo_99: yeah... howsoever one understands it is immaterial if final thing is

achieved

sarbani3062002: that is why marriage is auspicious...because it is another path

to sense detachment...

yeeahoo_99: for some though...

sarbani3062002: Ok I get the drift SR was driving at

sarbani3062002: its food for thought

sarbani3062002: I don't like it when you say 'whatever pleases the mind' Visti

in_joy_i_scream: it can be judged in both ways

in_joy_i_scream: my mind is pleased when i don't desire anything, actually i get

very annoyed when i want something and see it as a burden

sarbani3062002: you mean there are two ways to approach it

sarbani3062002: same here:)

yeeahoo_99: same here

in_joy_i_scream: In london Gurudeva taught something important about UL from

Chandra Lagna

yeeahoo_99: but then my mind wants to be in the same peaceful state forever..

when it starts desiring again

sarbani3062002: go on

yeeahoo_99: and thats' the main problem with me visti

in_joy_i_scream: more meditation Nitish

sarbani3062002: visti what did sanjay say to you in london

yeeahoo_99: i hope someday I will understand that the state didn't come by

desiring at first.. I never did that ... what u call as meditation

in_joy_i_scream: He said that when the mind leaves the body it will go the place

it enjoys being the most. i.e. the place of the UC. this can be a place of

happiness or sadness, depending on what the mind enjoys.. so be happy, and you

will goto a happy place

sarbani3062002: hmmm

yeeahoo_99: for me its scorpio... I don't want to go there

in_joy_i_scream: with propper mantra the mind can be relieved.. am yet to learn

that from gurudeva yet thou

yeeahoo_99: oh ok

sarbani3062002: so how do you link UC wih UL

in_joy_i_scream: we came close when discussing it in the past chats

sarbani3062002: close to what?

in_joy_i_scream: sarb, in the transcripts i've sent you, i was close to learning

which mantra can be used to guide the mind in the propper direction

sarbani3062002: ok

in_joy_i_scream: Gatistwam Gatistwam Twam Eka Bhavani is the key

sarbani3062002: tell me how you link UC with UL

sarbani3062002: ah-ha that it is

in_joy_i_scream: what do you mean by link?

sarbani3062002: isn't UL, Uc and US linked in someways

in_joy_i_scream: link in praksis or in theory?

yeeahoo_99: US is upapada from sun I think

sarbani3062002: :)both

sarbani3062002: I mean what is the message here that we learn from the 3 Us

in_joy_i_scream: haven't we discussed theory enough? it relates to giving,

through which we get peace?

in_joy_i_scream: The focal point of all this is the US - Ravi Upapada

yeeahoo_99: how?

sarbani3062002: Ok Visti we ' will holdit here for today and I will tap SR when

we conf again and lets see what he comes up with...there is something here my

mind is searching

yeeahoo_99: no please tell that last thing

in_joy_i_scream: once our body is lying down peacefully, and our mind is

peaceful as well.. hopefully the soul will follow and THEN!

yeeahoo_99: what does US tell?

yeeahoo_99: oh.. great!!!

sarbani3062002: yes...nwo you got the thread..

in_joy_i_scream: its in the chat transcripts i sent you

sarbani3062002: UL leads to UC and thefinal emancipation is through US

in_joy_i_scream: exactly. read the transcripts, this was in the first discussion

sarbani3062002: I did not follow the chat transcripts thats why raised the topic

agian...hope youdon't mind

yeeahoo_99: ok

in_joy_i_scream: i know

sanjayprabhakaran: brb

sarbani3062002: now I will read it again

sarbani3062002: ok...bye bye time

in_joy_i_scream: i will put this one in the bunch and send it to Varahamihira

in_joy_i_scream: bye!

yeeahoo_99: bye

sarbani3062002: ok, bye and thanks Visti

in_joy_i_scream: same to you

yeeahoo_99: thanks visti

 

 

newtoindia2000 (06:29:45 PM): sanjay guru started a conf

in_joy_i_scream (06:30:10 PM): yes i know

newtoindia2000 (06:30:26 PM): are u joining then?

in_joy_i_scream (06:30:35 PM): just a sec

in_joy_i_scream (06:30:37 PM): stay here

sanjayrath (06:32:12 PM): is everybody in or shall we wait for some more time?

in_joy_i_scream (06:32:15 PM): hari are you here?

newtoindia2000 (06:32:19 PM): yes

newtoindia2000 (06:32:53 PM): am here. Pranam Gurudev

in_joy_i_scream (06:33:10 PM): alas!

skanda_kumara (06:33:17 PM): <0-< Namaste to Gurudeva and every divine being

here

sarajitp (06:33:19 PM): Namaste ^

p_i_l_o_t (06:33:24 PM): namaste

ashwiyn (06:33:24 PM): Pranam to Adarniye Guru dev and Namaste to senior members

rastapoppolous (06:33:33 PM): Sri gubhyo namah. namste guru deva

sanjayrath (06:33:38 PM): namaskar ashwin. There were so many of them..

sanjayprabhakaran (06:33:41 PM): Namaste Gurudeva and everybody

rastapoppolous (06:33:43 PM): namaste every one

sanjayrath (06:33:50 PM): jaya jagannath samjaya

sarajitp (06:33:56 PM): Why you don't need to say namaste to Jr. Members

ashwiyn (06:34:06 PM): its good to see your message sanjay ji - i am ashwin

hirani

ashwiyn (06:34:20 PM): and am first time on chat with gurus and members

sanjayprabhakaran (06:34:24 PM): Jaya Jaya Jagannatha...

skanda_kumara (06:34:40 PM): Namaste Sarbani ... u remember my rain check

sarbani3062002 (06:35:15 PM):

ashwiyn (06:35:23 PM): namaste sarbani

sarbani3062002 (06:35:30 PM): Namaskar

sanjayrath (06:35:44 PM): Ok lets start with Visti telling us what we were

talking last

ashwiyn (06:35:45 PM): how are you ? You remember me :-/

in_joy_i_scream (06:36:00 PM): Vyakhyamudrikayalasatkaratalam

Sadhyogapithastitam, Vamejanutale Dadhanaparam Hastam Suvidyanidhim,

Vipravratavrtam Prasanamanasam Pathoruhangadyutim, Parasayamativapunyacharitam

Vyasam SmaretSiddhaye.

in_joy_i_scream (06:36:35 PM): now that my mind is in place

in_joy_i_scream (06:36:50 PM): We are chatting about the Upapada, from Lagna,

Moon and finally Sun

sanjayprabhakaran (06:37:56 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (06:38:08 PM): they are denoted by UL,UC and US

sarbani3062002 (06:38:23 PM): Okay here I am at last

sarajitp (06:38:34 PM): Welcome

sarbani3062002 (06:38:40 PM): Thanks

ashwiyn (06:38:41 PM): welcome

sanjayrath (06:38:43 PM): Upapada pada pitrianucharrat

sarbani3062002 (06:39:06 PM): what are we discussing?

sarbani3062002 (06:39:14 PM): continuing UL?

sanjayprabhakaran (06:39:18 PM): yes

sarajitp (06:39:18 PM): Upapada.. its meaning

skanda_kumara (06:39:19 PM): yes Sarbani

sarbani3062002 (06:39:26 PM): ok

sanjayrath (06:40:29 PM): Now, I had stopped with a question about why benefics

in the 6,7 & 8 from the Moon constitute Adhi Yoga and what happens when Jupiter

is so placed in 6 & 8 from moon. Is this Sakata or Adhi yoga?

sarajitp (06:40:32 PM): Pitri-Father, Anuchara- Following

in_joy_i_scream (06:40:34 PM): What we are aiming at now, is understanding what

forces we need to instigate to make the mind happy and satisfied

sarbani3062002 (06:41:11 PM): Visti that sounds like heavy sense gratification

to me

in_joy_i_scream (06:41:23 PM): not necessarily Sarbani.

in_joy_i_scream (06:41:47 PM): The mind is only happy after the senses are

satisfied, or after one has detached from the object of gratification.

sanjayrath (06:42:04 PM): Sarajit, pitri is Lagna in that sloka (Katapayadi

calc)

sanjayprabhakaran (06:42:16 PM): ok

sarbani3062002 (06:42:21 PM): Okay, the two pronged approach...I forgot

sarbani3062002 (06:42:34 PM): Osho and non-osho

sanjayprabhakaran (06:42:35 PM): its both Sakata and adhi

rastapoppolous (06:42:37 PM): jupiter in 6/8 from moon is sakata yoga

sarajitp (06:42:43 PM): Thanks for that.. I was thinking what clue I am

missing.. Infact Pitri as Father didn't make much sense

sanjayrath (06:42:47 PM): Ron why do you say that clarify please

in_joy_i_scream (06:43:02 PM): for some reason i can't see rons messages

rastapoppolous (06:43:17 PM): visti: ron->globetrekker

in_joy_i_scream (06:43:24 PM): i can't see him

in_joy_i_scream (06:43:25 PM): ron please log off and i will invite you again,

theres something wrong here.

skanda_kumara (06:43:30 PM): Adhi Yoga is benefics in 6, 7 & 8 houses

in_joy_i_scream (06:43:48 PM): is ron still here?

sanjayrath (06:43:57 PM): Visti of course none of can see him, we can read

him..get out of

in_joy_i_scream (06:44:20 PM): i can't see his id nor his messages

skanda_kumara (06:44:42 PM): Adhi Yoga is benefics in 6, 7 & 8H from Moon

skanda_kumara (06:44:57 PM): Sakata Yoga is Moon in 12, 6 or 8

sarajitp (06:45:00 PM): If there are other benefics Supporting Jup in the7th/

8th, then it becomes Adhi.... otherwise it remains to be Sakata, Jup in 6/8

sarbani3062002 (06:45:08 PM): can we focus on a thread to dicuss, otherwise the

discussion becomes a bit disparate

sanjayprabhakaran (06:45:18 PM): Sakata yoga gives dificulty

sanjayprabhakaran (06:45:27 PM): ?

newtoindia2000 (06:45:43 PM): isnt sakata meaning a cart?

sanjayrath (06:45:59 PM): waht was that sarajit..I saw that. what 7 & 8 and

whose support?

ashwiyn (06:46:04 PM): namaste dasgupta ji

skanda_kumara (06:48:07 PM): ok lets settle down

globetrekker (06:48:22 PM): OK

sanjayrath (06:49:02 PM): Sarabani, this thread on Adhi & Sakata is necessary to

understand the Mana

jkdasgupta_in (06:49:07 PM): sanjayji pranam

sarbani3062002 (06:49:11 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (06:49:38 PM): ok everyone.. I will take care of the inviting...

if anyone needs to be invited i will doso.

shail_c (06:49:40 PM): Namaste to all - Shailesh here

sanjayrath (06:49:43 PM): namaskar jk

sanjayprabhakaran (06:49:52 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (06:49:54 PM): I think

sanjayprabhakaran (06:49:57 PM): some Versions

sanjayprabhakaran (06:49:58 PM): are older

newtoindia2000 (06:50:04 PM): shall we get on?

sarajitp (06:50:14 PM): Sorry Gurudev, Calling up my mother.. Thats why Didn't

reply to you queries

in_joy_i_scream (06:50:16 PM): remember folks.. if anyone needs inviting tell me

todo it

skanda_kumara (06:50:17 PM): yes good idea

globetrekker (06:50:20 PM): Gurudeva, this is a honor to be with you and all the

others. Thanks Visti-Ji for the invitation. Thanks a lot to you all, I will

remain quiet as I am not yet proficient in astrology as I would like to be. Yes,

let us get on.

sanjayprabhakaran (06:50:26 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (06:50:39 PM): speak if needed ron

sanjayrath (06:50:45 PM): visti sailesh wanted to join us

in_joy_i_scream (06:50:56 PM): he's here gurudev

newtoindia2000 (06:50:57 PM): i invited sailesh gurudev

skanda_kumara (06:50:58 PM): gurudev he is here

newtoindia2000 (06:51:08 PM): he is in the conf

sarajitp (06:51:53 PM): What I said is that, when there are other benefics

placed in the 6/7/8 along with Jup.. then it becomes Adhi

sanjayrath (06:51:56 PM): like ron earlier, he is invisible

sanjayrath (06:52:19 PM): So, Visti give me the answer to the question

sarajitp (06:52:19 PM): Jupiter's along placement will cause the sakata yoga

causing tremendous trouble

sarajitp (06:53:05 PM): weclome Dasguptaji

sanjayprabhakaran (06:53:07 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (06:53:17 PM): i think in adhi yoga other benefics also need to b

involved

in_joy_i_scream (06:54:09 PM): haha!!! how many people have suddenly gone

offline

sanjayprabhakaran (06:54:16 PM): I cant see anybody's lines

in_joy_i_scream (06:54:24 PM): can u see me sanjay?

newtoindia2000 (06:54:30 PM): am listening

sanjayrath (06:54:41 PM): Visti, forget all that and answer the question..this

is really SAKATA YOGA at work out here

in_joy_i_scream (06:55:04 PM): ahhh

in_joy_i_scream (06:55:37 PM): the diff between Sakata Yoga and Adhi Yoga?

sanjayrath (06:56:00 PM): Yes..Narayan gave a good hint

in_joy_i_scream (06:57:02 PM): not much of a hint, yet the addition of the 12th

house

sanjayrath (06:58:00 PM): yes sanjay

newtoindia2000 (06:58:04 PM): yes.. i can

in_joy_i_scream (06:58:36 PM): In both Sakata and Adhi Yoga Jupiter can fall in

the 6th or 8th form Moon

in_joy_i_scream (06:59:10 PM): i can't see prabhakarans lines?

skanda_kumara (06:59:36 PM): oh boy too much pandamonium

in_joy_i_scream (06:59:39 PM): am i alone here

skanda_kumara (06:59:48 PM): Why dont we all quit

newtoindia2000 (06:59:55 PM): this is crazy... no visti.. i read u

skanda_kumara (06:59:56 PM): I wuill start another session here

in_joy_i_scream (07:00:15 PM): ok thats a deal.. everyone leave

sanjayrath (07:00:22 PM): The chandra padas are to see how the mind dwells on

things

newtoindia2000 (07:00:23 PM): leaving

newtoindia2000 (07:00:37 PM): will u invite again visti?

in_joy_i_scream (07:00:40 PM): i will

in_joy_i_scream (07:01:02 PM): everybody out.. out out out

in_joy_i_scream (07:01:16 PM): if i had a broom i'd sweep you out

sanjayprabhakaran (07:01:16 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (07:01:19 PM): u too gurudev

in_joy_i_scream (07:01:52 PM): i said everbody!

in_joy_i_scream (07:01:57 PM): get out!

 

newtoindia2000 (07:23:20 PM): now... i cant get in sarajit

in_joy_i_scream (07:23:29 PM): Gurudev, i remember that you have raised this

discussion before

newtoindia2000 (07:24:20 PM): r u here gurudev?

sanjayrath (07:24:59 PM): Yes and waiting for the answer to my question. I have

started reciting the chalisa

sanjayrath (07:25:46 PM): The Upapada is the Gauna pada it is the place from

where all the blessings come,,as we learn to GIVE

in_joy_i_scream (07:25:52 PM): yes

 

sanjayrath (07:27:04 PM): Brahma has only one message for all of HIS creation

and that is the Dattatreya Beeja called DA. For Manushya this Da means Daana or

to Give. We m ust learn to give and this is the essence of marriage. This is

your opportunity to give

globetrekker (07:27:05 PM): Yes, this is why Gurudev you mentioned that one

should fast on the day [of the planet] where Upapada is. Right Gurudev?

in_joy_i_scream (07:27:15 PM): ??! fine now i'm here

sanjayprabhakaran (07:27:29 PM): yes

sanjayprabhakaran (07:27:46 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (07:27:47 PM): gotcha

dilipastro (07:28:08 PM): Now I understand

sanjayrath (07:28:11 PM): Right Ron. Now when the Gauna pada has to be purified,

we should not be viewing marriage as a 'GIVE & TAKE like other relationships. It

should only be GIVE

globetrekker (07:28:59 PM): OK Gurudev.

in_joy_i_scream (07:29:30 PM): go on

sanjayprabhakaran (07:30:18 PM): about the Adhi Yoga and Sakata Yoga

sanjayrath (07:30:39 PM): Now, let me see what lesson my Grandfather had for

me. My name is Sanjay and this is in Libra in my eighth house. This is the

Upapada from Lagna, Chandra and the Sun and at all three levels it menas to

learn to give the SECRETS (eighth house) of JYOTISH (Venus is connected to Sun &

AK).

sanjayrath (07:31:05 PM): I will return to Adhi & Sakata when the time is right

skanda_kumara (07:31:22 PM): ok

globetrekker (07:31:28 PM): OK

in_joy_i_scream (07:31:30 PM): lovely gurudev

sanjayprabhakaran (07:31:56 PM): ok

sanjayrath (07:32:05 PM): In such a scenario, I had to learn to give what I had

got. After all we have come EMPTY HANDED and shall leave EMPTY HANDED

skanda_kumara (07:32:16 PM): yes

sanjayrath (07:32:40 PM): What I give is only what I get and cannot be more than

what I have got..so, in a way, we are always in HIS debt

skanda_kumara (07:32:49 PM): ok

globetrekker (07:32:51 PM): Yes

in_joy_i_scream (07:32:54 PM): nice poem

sarajitp (07:32:57 PM): Please go on Gurudev

sarajitp (07:33:27 PM): it seems I can't see any of the Gurudeva's Messages

sarajitp (07:33:47 PM): nor can Ajit

skanda_kumara (07:34:01 PM): this is what he wrote: What I give is only what I

get and cannot be more than what I have got..so, in a way, we are always in HIS

debt

sanjayrath (07:34:07 PM): In this giving and giving relationship, there can be

no place for taking or, am I missing something, Who is giving me the ability and

means to Give?

skanda_kumara (07:34:28 PM): The Lord of Life

skanda_kumara (07:34:38 PM): We are his instruments

sanjayrath (07:34:54 PM): And from where do we see Him in the chart?

skanda_kumara (07:35:00 PM): AK

skanda_kumara (07:35:04 PM): Atmakaaraka

sanjayrath (07:35:42 PM): No, the AK is not the giver. It ois merely an observer

in this relationship of the Upapada Lagna

skanda_kumara (07:36:01 PM): Is it the UL

skanda_kumara (07:36:02 PM): then

in_joy_i_scream (07:36:06 PM): the giver is the Naisargika Karaka

skanda_kumara (07:36:17 PM): as we revceive from our ancestors

sanjayrath (07:36:23 PM): No, Visti No

sanjayprabhakaran (07:36:40 PM): Ishta devata

sanjayprabhakaran (07:36:45 PM): is Giver

sanjayrath (07:36:58 PM): No Narayan, it is not the UL itself as the UL is the

receiver and is the sign from where our spouse shall come to receive

sanjayrath (07:37:18 PM): No sanjay Ista is not the giver to the Upapada Lagna

sanjayprabhakaran (07:37:39 PM): ourself is giver to UL

in_joy_i_scream (07:37:42 PM): to the UL the giver is us

skanda_kumara (07:37:48 PM): Lagna

sanjayrath (07:37:50 PM): Anybody else wants to think and give ita try

sanjayrath (07:38:07 PM): Narayan, please apply the concepts

skanda_kumara (07:38:11 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (07:39:08 PM): is it the 9H or 9L as that represents Vishnu Sthana

newtoindia2000 (07:39:21 PM): the moon gives?

anjaneya21 (07:39:36 PM): Hello!

in_joy_i_scream (07:39:43 PM): who gives me the ability to give..

skanda_kumara (07:39:51 PM): if not then Deva Guru Jupiter

anjaneya21 (07:39:54 PM): It seems there is no place for me in the conference

anjaneya21 (07:39:57 PM): hence shall leave

skanda_kumara (07:39:59 PM): as he is the teacher

skanda_kumara (07:40:10 PM): hi Anjaneyaa

skanda_kumara (07:40:14 PM): we can see you

anjaneya21 (07:40:30 PM): Iam not getting any messages....

newtoindia2000 (07:40:44 PM): we are getting ur messages anjaneya!

sanjayrath (07:40:50 PM): The signs give and this is defined in the meaning of

the dwadas aditya. Thus, the sign in the second from the UL is the giver to the

UL just like the sign in the second from Lagna is the giver of food to the

Lagna. That is why Vishnu is denoted by the lord of the SECOND house.

anjaneya21 (07:40:58 PM): There seems to be a great bug bugging us... shall meet

you again

anjaneya21 (07:41:01 PM): till then bye

in_joy_i_scream (07:41:11 PM): cya anja

skanda_kumara (07:41:11 PM): ok gotcha

in_joy_i_scream (07:41:25 PM): gotcha sanjay

in_joy_i_scream (07:42:43 PM): please go on, i think all the activities have

gotton us abit confused

skanda_kumara (07:42:46 PM): ok Gurudeva

sanjayprabhakaran (07:42:55 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (07:42:58 PM): the sign gains the ability to nourish the UL

skanda_kumara (07:43:10 PM): and hence providing for it

sanjayrath (07:43:26 PM): That is the REASON for fasting on the days of the LORD

of the UPAPADA and WPRSHIPPING the deity associated with the SECOND HOUSE FROM

UL

in_joy_i_scream (07:43:35 PM): yes

sanjayprabhakaran (07:43:38 PM): ok

newtoindia2000 (07:43:40 PM): if the sign provides sustenence, what role does

the lord play? in this case 2nd from from UL?

sanjayprabhakaran (07:43:42 PM): what form diety

sanjayprabhakaran (07:43:43 PM): ?

sanjayprabhakaran (07:43:46 PM): Vishnu form?

in_joy_i_scream (07:44:11 PM): no form women, worship a male deity..a and

opposite for men

in_joy_i_scream (07:44:23 PM): i wrote a long guideline on VA-list

in_joy_i_scream (07:44:51 PM): gurudev has also said so in the past in a mail to

Jyoti

sanjayrath (07:44:53 PM): The signs are inanimate whereas the planets are living

& moving about. In a sence the list of deities are seen from the first chapter

on Creation as Vishnu avatar (note the concept of second house, Vishnu is being

used here

skanda_kumara (07:45:32 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:32 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:32 PM): even Ugra roop

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:32 PM): like Narasimha deva

sanjayprabhakaran (07:45:36 PM): in case of Mars is ok?

sanjayrath (07:45:44 PM): Now, even Mohini is a form of Vishnu and would be very

nice for a man to worship

skanda_kumara (07:46:04 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (07:46:21 PM): what planet represents Mohini???

in_joy_i_scream (07:46:30 PM): mercury

skanda_kumara (07:46:36 PM): ahh yes

skanda_kumara (07:46:46 PM): koorma avatar

skanda_kumara (07:46:47 PM): thx

sanjayprabhakaran (07:46:51 PM): so the Vishnu roopa has to determined from lord

of 2nd house...

skanda_kumara (07:47:03 PM): yes Sanjaya

sanjayprabhakaran (07:47:17 PM): Sun:Rama, Moon:Krishna, Mars Narasimha , etc

sanjayrath (07:47:19 PM): This is where the trouble comes. Here we are not

talking about the higher incarnations of Bhagavan as then these are direct forms

of Vishnu WHO FEEDS US. Like when I worship narasimha, I get very hungry as Mars

is my second lord (from Lagna)

sanjayprabhakaran (07:47:20 PM): ok

sanjayrath (07:48:27 PM): Now, we come to other forms of the Lord and it would

be a nice exercise for all of you to make a list from the Bhagavatam and other

texts

dilipastro (07:48:48 PM): Thank you, Narayan & Visti

sanjayprabhakaran (07:49:36 PM): Hayagreeva can be prayer when 2nd house is

SAgitarius?

in_joy_i_scream (07:49:47 PM): ok gurudev, yet is it necessary with Vishnu Roopa

or rather is it just MOST beneficial with Vishnu Roopa?

in_joy_i_scream (07:50:09 PM): Vishnu being the giver?

sanjayrath (07:50:45 PM): I have given you examples (Mohini) etc that will make

a person marry and settle down to the act of GIVING..Visti, understand Vishnu by

hearing the Vishnu sahasranaama..one of the mantra in Vishnu sahasranaama is Om

Shivaaya Nam

in_joy_i_scream (07:51:18 PM): oh

skanda_kumara (07:51:24 PM): ok

sanjayrath (07:51:52 PM): In this manner, we realise that the Upapada from

Lagna, Chandra Lagna and surya Lagna holds the GOLDEN KEY TO MOKSHA through the

Sudarshana Chakra

skanda_kumara (07:52:34 PM): what would u say Gurudeva, if Upapada from all 3

reference points has Ketu in them???

sanjayrath (07:53:49 PM): First Narayana, the UL, UC & US falling in ONE SIGN

has a great significance of ONE DEITY being the GREAT GIVER and then with a

planet out there, the path is clear

skanda_kumara (07:54:02 PM): Ketu-Ganesha

sanjayprabhakaran (07:54:20 PM): the 2nd from is the Giver

skanda_kumara (07:54:28 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (07:54:38 PM): so in your case Sun.

skanda_kumara (07:54:39 PM): sorry

sanjayprabhakaran (07:54:42 PM): Shiva or Rama

skanda_kumara (07:54:44 PM): yes Shiva

skanda_kumara (07:54:47 PM): thx

skanda_kumara (07:55:48 PM): very interesting

sanjayprabhakaran (07:55:52 PM): if there is any planet in the 2nd

in_joy_i_scream (07:56:07 PM): wouldn't be better with a female deity skanda?

sanjayrath (07:56:20 PM): Now you see the point Narayana, then in your chart

SHIVA has a very crucial role in making this life, after life and no-return path

clear. Everytime you give you must think of Shiva as the great giver and what

does shiva give? What does the bhagavatam say? Which house are all these UL.UC

US in?

sanjayprabhakaran (07:56:44 PM): CAncer

sanjayprabhakaran (07:56:48 PM): with Ketu

skanda_kumara (07:57:03 PM): Cancer with Ketu

skanda_kumara (07:57:47 PM): Shiva gives death or Moksha as he is the Rudra

sanjayrath (07:57:59 PM): Fasting on mondays and worship of Shiva as the giver

of grains for family, as the giver of knowledge for the mana and the giver of

the path to emancipation...

skanda_kumara (07:58:16 PM): wow thats good

sanjayprabhakaran (07:58:26 PM):

in_joy_i_scream (07:58:36 PM): lovely

sanjayrath (07:58:47 PM): In this manner you should all analyse your charts

skanda_kumara (07:59:23 PM): In your case Gurudeva, Hanuman or Skanda should be

worshipped .. on Fridays .. am I right

sanjayprabhakaran (07:59:34 PM): Narasimha

sanjayrath (07:59:39 PM): A person who cannot get grains for family deserves to

renounce his life and take up sanyaasa

in_joy_i_scream (08:00:04 PM): RamaKrishna had Venus lording the 2nd from UL, UC

and US.

in_joy_i_scream (08:00:43 PM): rather; Has is the right word

in_joy_i_scream (08:00:57 PM): Hence Radhe was the giver of all this

sanjayrath (08:01:08 PM): Hanuman & Skanda are associated with aries and are

worshipped as Guru's on Thursdays. Murugan has a big OM behind His pictures and

Hanuman chalisa starts with a pryer to Guru. Thats for Pisces as UL etc

sanjayprabhakaran (08:01:35 PM): my UL is in Pisces

skanda_kumara (08:02:14 PM): ok

sanjayrath (08:02:28 PM): Visti, no comparision at all, in the case of

Paramhamsa, his AK was in the second so the Ista devata takes over

in_joy_i_scream (08:02:48 PM): ok, and his Istha was Shiva?

sanjayrath (08:03:12 PM): What shall I do when everything is in Libra and GL, HL

etc are all in Scorpio..what a giver

skanda_kumara (08:03:31 PM): the Shakti that connects the two

skanda_kumara (08:03:40 PM): for Money

skanda_kumara (08:03:53 PM): and Narayana Roopa for Power

sanjayrath (08:04:21 PM): Sarabani, others, where are you?

newtoindia2000 (08:04:33 PM): am listening...

aroonakawad (08:04:51 PM): me too

sarbani306 (08:05:04 PM): I have just manged to connect so have missed the whole

discussion and hence in a bad mood!

sanjayrath (08:05:05 PM): Look at that Mars very carefully in my chart. It is in

kendra 1/7 house in all 16 divisions

sanjayprabhakaran (08:05:29 PM): Hanuman

in_joy_i_scream (08:06:28 PM): i just realised why so many of your students have

strong mars

skanda_kumara (08:06:39 PM): yes Visti

skanda_kumara (08:06:49 PM): and most here have Mars as AK or Ishta Devata

sanjayrath (08:06:57 PM): One sadhu who saw me some time back said..Hanuman

always smiles..He was partly correct (look at the intuition) another Minttoo

Maharaj a great spiritualist told me long time back that I would come to delhi

for a great work and saw the color red..power another has also seen the color of

Jagannath (RED)

dilipastro (08:07:09 PM): I was also disconnected quite a number of times, and

missed the vital points of discussion

skanda_kumara (08:07:15 PM): yes I read that email

sanjayrath (08:07:31 PM): Now, define the diety for me please

sarbani306 (08:07:49 PM): What about me? I have a pathetically weak Mars. Does

that mean I am not destined to be your student?

in_joy_i_scream (08:07:54 PM): Ugra Tara?

sanjayprabhakaran (08:08:03 PM): Ugra Tara is Jupiter

skanda_kumara (08:08:10 PM): Bagalamukhi????

in_joy_i_scream (08:08:17 PM): Tara in Ugra Roopa is very fiery

sarbani306 (08:08:39 PM): Yes, but Ugra Tara is Jupiter

sanjayprabhakaran (08:08:46 PM): she removes extremes so she is called Ugra Tara

sanjayrath (08:09:15 PM): Also, I have forgotten the worship of her form from my

ast life and hence all this suffering .. Mars as 9th lord in Badhak

skanda_kumara (08:09:23 PM): Is it Shri BagalaMukhi

dilipastro (08:09:25 PM): yes

sanjayrath (08:10:40 PM): I leave those points here and let us now go to UC

skanda_kumara (08:10:45 PM): ok

sanjayrath (08:11:08 PM): Narayan can you explain the Adhi Yoga?

skanda_kumara (08:11:18 PM): 1sec

skanda_kumara (08:12:00 PM): Benefics situated in 6,7 & 8 houses from Moon the

combination goes under the name of Adhi Yoga

skanda_kumara (08:12:43 PM): Person will be polite , happy, comfortable, with

all luxuries, defeates his enemies and live a healthy and long life

sanjayrath (08:13:03 PM): Now, define the places from the Moon and why do these

houses denote adhi Yoga

skanda_kumara (08:14:01 PM): the 6h is dusthana and shows the tough part of our

life, benefics here smoothens out and hence the yoga mentions happiness and

comfortable

skanda_kumara (08:14:21 PM): the 7H is house of desires and hence benefic here

shows luxuries which satisfies all desures

in_joy_i_scream (08:14:23 PM): benefics in the 6th from Moon would show that the

person isn't fighting, or rather mind isn't trying to fight

skanda_kumara (08:14:55 PM): 8H another dusthana shows obstacles and

disappointments, benefics here gives happiness and removes obstacles

skanda_kumara (08:15:21 PM): and also long life without any chronic dis-eases

skanda_kumara (08:15:47 PM): As per Sage Satyachary benefics in dusthanas

reduce the ill-effects of these houses

sanjayrath (08:16:04 PM): Great. Now Visti define the Sakata Yoga and its

effects

in_joy_i_scream (08:16:28 PM): i'm still unclear whether its Dusthas from Moon

or Jup? noone clarified?

sanjayrath (08:17:04 PM): Please define Sakata Yoga..Sarajit

sarbani306 (08:17:05 PM): the moon in 6th, 8th and 12th from Jupiter

skanda_kumara (08:17:10 PM): Sakata Yoga is formed when Moon is in dusthanas

from Jupiter

sanjayprabhakaran (08:17:34 PM): Sarajit is not here

sanjayrath (08:17:46 PM): The Moon in dusthana from Guru or vice versa..since

when did we start using Guru as a lagna?

skanda_kumara (08:17:55 PM): and gives miseries. loss of fortune, insignificant,

poveryt, and hatred

newtoindia2000 (08:18:17 PM): i think sakata yoga is then jup-moon are in 6-8

where as adhi yoga u need 3 benefics in 6,7,8 from moon

skanda_kumara (08:18:24 PM): sakata Yoga - Moon in dusthana from Guru as per

BVRaman

sanjayrath (08:19:14 PM): OK the great Raman had an oversight out there..and

lots of printer devils to add to the woes of students

skanda_kumara (08:19:31 PM): ok then it should be Jupiter in dusthanas from Moon

skanda_kumara (08:20:02 PM): that means that for Adhi Yoga ....Gajakesari Yoga

shd be present with Jupiter in 7H from Moon!!!!!!!!

skanda_kumara (08:20:19 PM): and other benefics in 6H and 8H!!!

skanda_kumara (08:20:31 PM): thereby preventing Sakata Yoga

newtoindia2000 (08:20:36 PM): wow....

sanjayrath (08:21:13 PM): The Chandra is the Key and the placemen of Guru from

te Moon defines the mental attitude towarsd money. If Guru is in 6, 8 or 12 from

the Moon, the person shall aplways be in trouble while trying to get money, if

Guru is in Kendra ten Gajakesari showing the RIGHT attitude to money

skanda_kumara (08:21:40 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:21:49 PM): gotcha

sanjayrath (08:22:12 PM): If Guru is in 2nd, even if he has nothing, he believes

he has too much and shall not hesitate to part..mentally a king even if truly a

beggar

sanjayrath (08:22:50 PM): Guru in trines shows an attitude to save for the

future or planning finance all the time

in_joy_i_scream (08:22:54 PM): ooops

in_joy_i_scream (08:23:50 PM): so i guess we are very rich then Gurudeva?

sanjayrath (08:24:11 PM): Now in such a scenario, the Moon in Kendra to Lagna

shall break all Sakata Yoga as it is the lord of the sign of exaltation of

Jupiter (remember the rule for neechabhanga)

in_joy_i_scream (08:24:29 PM): This causes Mukuta Yoga

sanjayrath (08:24:43 PM): Right Visti

skanda_kumara (08:25:06 PM): cool

sanjayrath (08:25:33 PM): And even if such a Jupiter is placed in the 6th or 8th

from the Moon, the benefits of Adhi Yoga shall be felt else Sakata Yoga shall

prevail

in_joy_i_scream (08:25:33 PM): the person turns the adversity into an advantage

skanda_kumara (08:26:02 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (08:26:10 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (08:26:48 PM): Gurudeva .. i sthat the reason why they say ..

Karaka bhava nosho ... Jupiter in 2H .. he just thinks he is rich ... and parts

awaya with wealth ..leaving him with very little???

sanjayrath (08:27:35 PM): Depends Narayan..if Mars aspects then a very great

dhan yoga is obtained..Mars ensures that the money comes back

skanda_kumara (08:27:56 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (08:27:59 PM): gotcha

sanjayrath (08:29:06 PM): We were talking about the houses from the Moon and

attitudes. Have you REALISED that the Upapada from Chandra CANNOT BE in the

houses that cause ADHI YOGA

in_joy_i_scream (08:29:25 PM):

sanjayrath (08:29:36 PM): Or maybe ONLY the 8th

skanda_kumara (08:29:46 PM): yes as Arudha cannot fall in these houses

sanjayprabhakaran (08:30:05 PM): Arduah cannot fall in 6,7,8,1,12,2

skanda_kumara (08:30:06 PM): The Arudha cannot be in houses 1,2,6,7,8 & 12.

skanda_kumara (08:30:14 PM):

sanjayprabhakaran (08:30:47 PM): so what takes

sanjayprabhakaran (08:30:50 PM): cannot give

sanjayrath (08:32:30 PM): Why would the houses giving wealth, like the 6th & 7th

(actually the 8th shows wealth from inheritance etc and not through parakrama or

business i.e. neither from service not from business)..Look at the houses

carefully

skanda_kumara (08:33:07 PM): Artha & Kaama

sanjayrath (08:33:09 PM): not be in the list of UC? What is UC then??

sanjayprabhakaran (08:33:46 PM): dharma

skanda_kumara (08:33:49 PM): The Place where Mind goes after death .. where

there is no Artha or Kaama

sanjayprabhakaran (08:34:09 PM): Dharma follows one after death

skanda_kumara (08:34:12 PM): yes

sanjayrath (08:34:14 PM): Again Chandra Yogas come from the placement of planets

in the 2 & 12 from it again look at 12..this is different and refers to the

happiness (mental) we shall get from spouse

skanda_kumara (08:34:36 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (08:34:42 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (08:34:45 PM): 2nd for family

sanjayrath (08:36:02 PM): Now then, what is really Upapada chandra..where are we

going after death?

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:22 PM): Pitri loka

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:27 PM): or heaven

in_joy_i_scream (08:36:30 PM): 2nd, 8th, 4th, 10th, 3rd 9th.

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:42 PM): or hell

sanjayprabhakaran (08:36:43 PM): ?

sanjayrath (08:37:53 PM): The Mana associated with the Antariksha starting from

the Moon and thus after death the mana goes to the Moon

newtoindia2000 (08:38:00 PM): got to go guys.. my little princess is awake...

Gurudev sorry... i have to leave....

skanda_kumara (08:38:13 PM): ok gurudeva

newtoindia2000 (08:38:17 PM): Visti, can you mail me this transcript?

in_joy_i_scream (08:38:28 PM): send me the transcript u have upto now, i will

compile

skanda_kumara (08:38:38 PM): I will give

skanda_kumara (08:38:40 PM): I have it

skanda_kumara (08:38:46 PM): without unnecessary stuff

newtoindia2000 (08:38:47 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (08:38:50 PM): ok skanda

skanda_kumara (08:39:02 PM): lets co

in_joy_i_scream (08:39:04 PM): go on Sanjaya

skanda_kumara (08:39:06 PM): continue

newtoindia2000 (08:39:17 PM): Pranam gurudev, everyone

sanjayrath (08:40:12 PM): Now the Mana having lost the attachment to this mrityu

loka (planet earth) can rise and move freely and ttends to relive another life

as it does what it always yearned to do. It dwells in the senses and this is

HELL

sanjayrath (08:40:26 PM): Bye Katti

skanda_kumara (08:40:32 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (08:40:50 PM): so thats what they mean by HELL

skanda_kumara (08:40:58 PM): hmmm ,,, interesting

skanda_kumara (08:41:24 PM): and thats how we carry the samskaras to next birth

....am I right Gurudeva???

sanjayrath (08:42:56 PM): This is the worst suffering as you can see your near

and dear ones suffer and cannot do anything about it..this is what Yudhisthira

saw and wa s disgusted..you will also see your enemies enjoy themselves and will

not know as to why they are so busy drinking and wonder as to what is the

menaing of all this..this can only be got over by protecting the mind from

illusion and by GIVING or OFFERING hymns..sound vibrations to HIM called Mantra

skanda_kumara (08:43:26 PM): ah gotcha

sanjayrath (08:43:46 PM): Of course Ron..you all saw me suffering sometime back

and could do nothing about it..this is hell in a way and this hell comes from

the senses that play with our emotions

sanjayrath (08:45:34 PM): Now, comes the most important part of Jyotish..the

second level of protecting the Mind..mantra and we also realise that the first

part was physical and entailed offering physical substances like milk to a shiva

linga or tulasi to Krishna etc

sanjayprabhakaran (08:46:14 PM): ok

sanjayrath (08:46:43 PM): The devata Who will receive the mantra is seen from

the second from UC..and how do we define such a devata?

sanjayrath (08:47:44 PM): Hello are you all there?

in_joy_i_scream (08:47:46 PM): yES

skanda_kumara (08:47:49 PM): yes Gurudeva

in_joy_i_scream (08:48:01 PM): Its the deity that shows us the right path?

sanjayprabhakaran (08:48:02 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (08:48:15 PM): or rather, forces us on the right path?

sanjayrath (08:48:27 PM): bye ashwin..Visti remember sankara

in_joy_i_scream (08:48:46 PM): Gatistwam Gatistwam Twam Eka Bhavani

skanda_kumara (08:48:54 PM): Shakti

sanjayrath (08:49:09 PM): She, the mother of all, the compassionate one..

sanjayprabhakaran (08:49:11 PM): 10 mahavidya

sanjayrath (08:49:31 PM): Thats RIGHT ON TARGET..

skanda_kumara (08:49:48 PM): Sri Vidya

sanjayrath (08:50:06 PM): Now, go back on th transcript and see as to how many

of you had said bagalamukhi etc earlier...for my chart

skanda_kumara (08:50:22 PM): ME

in_joy_i_scream (08:50:22 PM): 3 i think

skanda_kumara (08:50:23 PM): )

sanjayprabhakaran (08:51:10 PM): if Lagna is present in 2nd from US should we

pray to Bharavi for Lagna?

sanjayprabhakaran (08:51:15 PM): i mean UC

sanjayrath (08:51:36 PM): So, Narayan & others, you realise that the

Dasamahavidya has another much higher menaing and the importance of

Shakti's..there can be umpteen forms of Shakti as every creation has a mother

skanda_kumara (08:51:57 PM): yes Gurudeva

sanjayrath (08:52:16 PM): Sanjay we have not reached US ..Upapada from Sun as

yet

skanda_kumara (08:52:24 PM): )

sanjayprabhakaran (08:52:35 PM): sorry I wanted to say UC there

sanjayprabhakaran (08:52:45 PM): mistyped US

skanda_kumara (08:52:47 PM): so in that case the deity I shd worship fo rmy IC

shd be Matangi

skanda_kumara (08:52:53 PM): UC

in_joy_i_scream (08:53:08 PM): ahh tara

skanda_kumara (08:53:22 PM): no Sun-Matangi

skanda_kumara (08:53:28 PM): Tara is for

sanjayprabhakaran (08:53:32 PM): Jupiter

skanda_kumara (08:53:32 PM): Jupiter

in_joy_i_scream (08:53:48 PM): not for you.. for me

skanda_kumara (08:53:56 PM):

in_joy_i_scream (08:54:07 PM): my tara not urs

in_joy_i_scream (08:54:15 PM):

sanjayrath (08:54:34 PM): If Matangi is the form of the Mother, then in what

form would you like to worship Shiva..read the prayer to shiva in Prasna marga

sanjayrath (08:55:34 PM): OK now the tough part..does this restrict us from

praying to other forms of the Mother? and let us restrict ourselves to

Dasmahavidya..which forms shall a person worship??

sanjayrath (08:56:34 PM): I-)

skanda_kumara (08:56:50 PM): Divine Mother is the source of ALL, hence all

forms belong to her

in_joy_i_scream (08:57:09 PM): in other words.. why only Shiva Shakti?

sanjayrath (08:57:19 PM): I think Sarabani has left her computer on and has gone

to sleep

skanda_kumara (08:57:22 PM): because they are the cuase of this world

skanda_kumara (08:57:26 PM): cause

skanda_kumara (08:57:34 PM): the 2 triangles

skanda_kumara (08:57:42 PM): one inverted and other upright

sarbani306 (08:57:42 PM): No I am very much here

skanda_kumara (08:57:51 PM): they are Shiva & Shakti

sanjayrath (08:57:57 PM): No..don't get into that..Narada taught the worship of

Bagalamukhi

skanda_kumara (08:58:03 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (08:59:13 PM): Dasa Maha Vidyas are the essence and the worship of

Sri Chakra contains all of them

sanjayrath (08:59:17 PM): Please continue..I will join you in 5 minutes but am

not going off as I want to see the discussion

in_joy_i_scream (08:59:58 PM): i don't think thats what gurudev asked.

jkdasgupta_in (09:00:57 PM): sanjayji pranaam-i shall log off now

jkdasgupta_in (09:01:14 PM): all others, good night

in_joy_i_scream (09:01:26 PM): g'nite jk

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:05 PM): can somebody restate Guruji's question

in_joy_i_scream (09:02:18 PM): OK now the tough part..does this restrict us from

praying to other forms of the Mother? and let us restrict ourselves to

Dasmahavidya..which forms shall a person worship??

skanda_kumara (09:02:33 PM): should we restrict to Dasa Mahavidya or can we pray

to other forms of her outside this???

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:43 PM): D20

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:46 PM): rulers

sanjayprabhakaran (09:02:52 PM): are all Mother forms

sanjayprabhakaran (09:03:19 PM): we do know that 2nd from UC shows one form of

mother to pray

skanda_kumara (09:04:04 PM): I think the deities of D20 covers the Dasa

Mahavidya

sanjayprabhakaran (09:04:11 PM): +more

sanjayprabhakaran (09:04:19 PM): there are 20 dieties there

in_joy_i_scream (09:04:20 PM): yes d20 covers 40 shakti

skanda_kumara (09:04:22 PM): so SanjayP you are correct in that we can pray to

these deities

sanjayrath (09:05:09 PM): there are 10 dasa Maha Vidya

sanjayrath (09:05:19 PM): like the Das avatar

skanda_kumara (09:05:54 PM): yes

sanjayprabhakaran (09:05:59 PM): ok

sanjayrath (09:06:45 PM): Look at the chart of Ramakrishna Paramhamsa the UC, is

in Aries 2nd is Taurus and this is aspected by Saturn from Libra...Kali was his

favorite

skanda_kumara (09:07:06 PM): yes

sanjayprabhakaran (09:07:13 PM): why was it not Chinnamasta

skanda_kumara (09:07:24 PM): Chinnamasta is Rahu

sanjayrath (09:07:25 PM): Because the AK is Rahu

skanda_kumara (09:07:38 PM): and Saturnis more powerful

sanjayprabhakaran (09:07:42 PM): so AK will note show diety

sanjayprabhakaran (09:07:57 PM): I mean AK will not show the diety ?

sanjayrath (09:08:08 PM): No, AK is always the most powerful, but the deity is

separate from the Atma itself

in_joy_i_scream (09:08:22 PM): atma always guides to istha

sanjayprabhakaran (09:08:41 PM): and niether the lord of Ta Venus

sanjayrath (09:08:45 PM): Visti that is great..we shall touch the US soon

sanjayprabhakaran (09:09:24 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (09:09:40 PM): Gurudev has allready taught that the grahas

aspecting will be more potent in 'guiding' the person to the right deity, which

is indicated by the actual planets placed/lording the sign

skanda_kumara (09:10:08 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (09:10:11 PM): that is if no grahas are placed in the sign

itself

sanjayrath (09:10:16 PM): Well, Ramakrishna had all the options of Rahu in

Taurus (but Rahu is AK), Exalted Mars aspects the Taurus and so does exalted

Saturn..so why choose saturn?

in_joy_i_scream (09:10:27 PM): Saturn is retro?

skanda_kumara (09:10:46 PM): and represents desire from past birth?

sanjayrath (09:11:04 PM): Well not satisfied..go on

in_joy_i_scream (09:11:05 PM): Saturn also is placed in Mantra pada..

sanjayrath (09:11:17 PM): Whew...

sanjayrath (09:11:29 PM): Another point also please

in_joy_i_scream (09:12:10 PM): 9th house.. guru gave him the worship prolly

skanda_kumara (09:12:12 PM): Saturn is in 7H of desire from Uc???

sanjayrath (09:12:49 PM): Saturn in 9th house showed that Rammakrishna was a

priest (Jup in AL) in a Kali temple

skanda_kumara (09:13:27 PM): ok

sanjayrath (09:13:34 PM): But why Kali..why not some secret Upaasana for

Bagalamukhi?

skanda_kumara (09:13:50 PM): cos Saturn is in 5H from AL???

sanjayprabhakaran (09:14:19 PM): is it something to do with tithi?

sanjayrath (09:14:37 PM): Ron, maybe some strong association is indicated ..In

fact until a person with such a saturn , joins a religious order and bows, his

fortune shall never come

skanda_kumara (09:14:39 PM): Saturn is dispositor of Moon

in_joy_i_scream (09:15:06 PM): Saturn is in the 9th from Moon?

sanjayrath (09:15:08 PM): NO NO..Mars is the Lord of UC & UL Mars is the TAKER

sanjayrath (09:15:26 PM): His spouse Sarada worshipped Bagalamukhi

sanjayrath (09:16:06 PM): The Taker cannot be the Giver

in_joy_i_scream (09:16:17 PM): that was very important knowledge.

sanjayprabhakaran (09:16:21 PM): OK

sanjayprabhakaran (09:16:28 PM): Gurudeva i have a question

sanjayrath (09:16:49 PM): go on sanjay..

sanjayprabhakaran (09:16:51 PM): In finding Ishta devata in NAvamsa

skanda_kumara (09:16:54 PM): saturn rules 2H from this Mars

sanjayprabhakaran (09:17:01 PM): we look at lord of 12th from AK

sanjayprabhakaran (09:17:10 PM): and not aspects

sanjayprabhakaran (09:17:23 PM): why not similar in UC ?

sanjayrath (09:17:41 PM): US later please..

sanjayprabhakaran (09:18:03 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (09:18:12 PM): No Gurudeva, Sanjay is asking why we don't see

lordship of 2nd from UC, instead of aspects

sanjayrath (09:18:18 PM): Narayan the rulership of Saturn of the 2H from Mars is

a coincidence and no argument

skanda_kumara (09:18:24 PM): ok

aroonakawad (09:19:04 PM): good night everybody

in_joy_i_scream (09:19:12 PM): g'nite aroona

sanjayrath (09:19:18 PM): I see Sanjay..the second from UC the mana is for

aspects and placement as in this the ability of the mind to look at and reflect

is taken into prime consideration

sanjayrath (09:19:46 PM): bye arrona

skanda_kumara (09:19:55 PM): Gurudeva u said that The Dwaadas gives

skanda_kumara (09:20:07 PM): Mars is in sign ruled by Saturn

skanda_kumara (09:20:14 PM): hence Kali???

in_joy_i_scream (09:20:34 PM): No narayan. We looked at aspects only

in_joy_i_scream (09:20:50 PM): Mars was excluded because it was lord of UC

itself

sanjayrath (09:20:56 PM): Not at UC level.. I am trying to establish the level

of detatchment that Ramakrishna obtained from the worship of Kali

skanda_kumara (09:21:03 PM): ok

in_joy_i_scream (09:21:04 PM): and hence is naturally excluded

sanjayprabhakaran (09:21:39 PM): if lagna is placed in 2nd from UChandra

sanjayprabhakaran (09:21:42 PM): then?

sanjayrath (09:22:09 PM): UC receives twhat the 2H from UC gives and what does

the 2H from UC give? It gives mantra..

sanjayrath (09:22:54 PM): Now if a planet placed in Mantrapada is associated

with the 2H from UC, then we infer that the mantra is very strong

in_joy_i_scream (09:23:07 PM): Sanjay i think Lagna in the 2nd from UC shows

that the person will find the mantra for themself.. i.e. they are the givers of

their minds peace.

skanda_kumara (09:23:24 PM): Ok Gurudeva

skanda_kumara (09:24:49 PM): And the Mantra eing so strong provided the

detachment

sanjayrath (09:24:59 PM): Mind and peace..Hello Visti? There is no peace in the

Mind..peace lies in losing the mind in the oceans of time and nothingness

sarbani306 (09:25:22 PM):

in_joy_i_scream (09:25:22 PM): my point exactly

sanjayprabhakaran (09:26:10 PM): so i've lost my mind phrase is good

sanjayrath (09:26:16 PM): Yes Narayan..now choose a mantra for

Sarabani..sarabani give yor chart

sarbani306 (09:26:36 PM): the new one?

sanjayrath (09:27:08 PM): OK

in_joy_i_scream (09:27:16 PM): Sri Tara.

skanda_kumara (09:27:44 PM): Mantra for Sarbani for her UC???

sanjayrath (09:28:12 PM): Yeah..saranbani spell out your chart..like Pisces

lagna..etc

skanda_kumara (09:28:22 PM): I got it .. 1sec please

skanda_kumara (09:28:40 PM): Ok Moon in Taurus

skanda_kumara (09:28:45 PM): UC in Gemini

skanda_kumara (09:28:51 PM): 2H from UC has Rahu & Venus

skanda_kumara (09:28:56 PM): Lord Moon is exalted

in_joy_i_scream (09:29:03 PM): ?

in_joy_i_scream (09:29:11 PM): nono Narayan Her UC falls in Aqua

sarbani306 (09:29:25 PM): no gemini visti

in_joy_i_scream (09:29:38 PM): A12 from Moon?

skanda_kumara (09:29:42 PM): So Diety associated with Moon

in_joy_i_scream (09:29:55 PM): sorry i meant Cap

skanda_kumara (09:30:06 PM): Shri V

skanda_kumara (09:30:11 PM): Shri Bhuvaneshawari

skanda_kumara (09:30:51 PM): am I right Gurudeva??

in_joy_i_scream (09:31:07 PM): How does your UC fall in gemini? Mars isn't in

Taurus?

skanda_kumara (09:31:20 PM): yes it is Visti!!!

in_joy_i_scream (09:31:21 PM): Nor is it in scorpio

in_joy_i_scream (09:31:24 PM): what?

sanjayrath (09:31:26 PM): Look at the speed..my God you people are really fast

and what happened to Rahu & Venus IN UC?? What about other aspects??

sarbani306 (09:31:27 PM): yes mars is in taurus

in_joy_i_scream (09:31:47 PM): somebodies not using Lahiri Ayanamsa

skanda_kumara (09:31:50 PM): yes but Moon in taurus is exalted and more powerful

than others

sanjayprabhakaran (09:31:58 PM): It's Kamala

sanjayprabhakaran (09:32:22 PM): Venus is more advanced

sarbani306 (09:32:26 PM): rahu and venus is not in UC but in 2nd from it

in_joy_i_scream (09:32:28 PM): Mars is at; 29:59:59.98

skanda_kumara (09:32:28 PM): Thats possible Sanjay as Moon has exchanged sign

with Venus

sanjayrath (09:32:37 PM): We ignored Rahu last time as it was the AK..why should

we ignore Rahu now? and why Venus??

sanjayrath (09:32:59 PM): Narayan..thats good thats very good

sanjayrath (09:33:49 PM): And we find Guru sending a special glance at these

planets as the ninth lord..strong association with temples etc

skanda_kumara (09:34:00 PM): ok

sanjayrath (09:34:25 PM): Now, sarabani..spell out you AK, AmK & BK

sarbani306 (09:34:44 PM): Mercury, Venus and Jupiter

in_joy_i_scream (09:35:29 PM): Sri Tara

in_joy_i_scream (09:35:33 PM): lol

skanda_kumara (09:35:56 PM): BK shows the devotion

in_joy_i_scream (09:36:03 PM): What better than to give her worship of her Guru

Devata

skanda_kumara (09:36:14 PM): and Jupiters influence will show Shri Tara

in_joy_i_scream (09:36:14 PM): especially since Guru lords Mantra pada

sanjayprabhakaran (09:36:28 PM): Mantra pada is in Aries

sanjayprabhakaran (09:36:34 PM): so Mars

sarbani306 (09:36:37 PM): no pisces

skanda_kumara (09:36:40 PM): no its in Pisces

sanjayprabhakaran (09:37:17 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (09:37:20 PM): Pi lagna

skanda_kumara (09:37:31 PM): Shri Tara will be her deity

sanjayrath (09:38:00 PM): What do you infer? Jupiter is the Guru no doubt and a

Guru mantra associated with Jupiter Brihaspati shall change her life and take

her to her UC protection as well, but then this is different from the form of

the Mother

sarbani306 (09:39:04 PM): UC mantra devi form will be seen from 2nd from UC, and

venus and rahu are there.

skanda_kumara (09:39:41 PM): hmmm

sanjayrath (09:39:48 PM): The form of the mother is that of RADHA...a form her

father (Jup) loved and worshipped..Venus in Cancer & Moon in Taurus..remember

Krishna's chart. This is Kamalatmika

sanjayprabhakaran (09:39:57 PM): there is KSY?

sanjayprabhakaran (09:40:01 PM): led by rahu?

sanjayrath (09:40:04 PM): Aroona don't tell me you forced the shop to open

sanjayrath (09:40:23 PM): And broken by VENUS

skanda_kumara (09:40:28 PM): ok

sanjayprabhakaran (09:40:56 PM): so the diety has to be Kamaladevi(Venus)

sanjayrath (09:41:35 PM): So, my dear Samjaya Visti & Narayana do you realise

the vital importance of the Kamalatmika mantra in being able to break the KSY as

well as giving her the vital protection both for the mana in this life and

after...Sarabani I hope you have benefitted

in_joy_i_scream (09:42:00 PM): very good reasoning

sarbani306 (09:42:08 PM): what can I say:)?

skanda_kumara (09:42:22 PM): wow

sanjayprabhakaran (09:42:23 PM):

sanjayprabhakaran (09:42:28 PM): wowww

skanda_kumara (09:42:37 PM): so let me get this straight

in_joy_i_scream (09:42:37 PM): can she shift to sri Tara after 42 for

strengthening the detachment?

sanjayrath (09:42:38 PM): Now one of you spell out the mantra and we can take

aroona's example

skanda_kumara (09:42:48 PM): Kamala wins over Radha

skanda_kumara (09:43:05 PM): Gurudeva one request

sanjayrath (09:43:09 PM): Narayana..Kamala is another form of Radha

skanda_kumara (09:43:14 PM): oh ok

skanda_kumara (09:43:18 PM): 1 request

skanda_kumara (09:43:30 PM): since we touched upon UC

skanda_kumara (09:43:37 PM): which has to do with protection of mind

sanjayprabhakaran (09:43:38 PM): Om Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem Hasouh Jagatprasutyai

Namah

sarbani306 (09:43:40 PM): I did not know that...that Kamala is a form of Radha

skanda_kumara (09:43:45 PM): yes Sanjaya

skanda_kumara (09:43:55 PM): Ihave typed something I have read last week

skanda_kumara (09:44:10 PM): regarding protection of mind during life here and

hereafter

skanda_kumara (09:44:14 PM): with your permission

skanda_kumara (09:44:25 PM): as this would be the right time

skanda_kumara (09:44:43 PM): before we take up next example

sanjayrath (09:44:47 PM): OK give it, but don't break your sentence in the

middle

skanda_kumara (09:44:52 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (09:45:03 PM): co-incidentally I was reading an interesting book

by Swami Rama and he states: " Mantra is a syllable or a word or set of words.

When consciously someone remembers his mantra, it is automatically stores in

unconscious mind though ordinarily one does not remain aware of it.

skanda_kumara (09:45:13 PM): During the day of parting, when the mind is failing

and stops functioning, attachment to the body and other possessions of the world

makes one horribly lonely and miserable.

skanda_kumara (09:45:23 PM): During such period that which one has stored there

in the unconscious mind becomes the guide. Thi speriod of separation is painful

to the ignorant, This is not the case with the spiritual person who has

remembered his mantra faithfully; mantra guides him during this period of

transition, which is frightening to the ignorant.

skanda_kumara (09:45:32 PM): Death is not painful, but the fear of death is. The

Mantra is powerful sipport and guide which leads the person peacefully through

that unknown period of darkness. Mantra then becomes the torchbearer when one

goes through the corridor that exists between death and birth.

skanda_kumara (09:45:41 PM): Constantly being aware of the mantra with complete

faith is the surest methods. A purified and trained mind with help of mantra

awareness dispels the darkness during the period of transition. Mantra is a rare

friend indeed, which helps one whenever it is needed, both here and hereafter.

skanda_kumara (09:45:48 PM): By remembering the Mantra constantly, the aspirrant

creates deep grooves in the consciousness, and then the mind flows spontaneously

in these grooves. Mantra is a spiritual guide which dispels the fear of death

and leds one fearlessly to the other shore of life.

skanda_kumara (09:45:53 PM): Thanks

sanjayrath (09:47:10 PM): Great thoughts..I have had some of the finest

experiences of the Das Mahavidya which I shall speak of in the US

in_joy_i_scream (09:47:14 PM): " Om Kleem Krishnaya Radhikaye Shriyam Namah " -

Can i add an akshara to put the focus on the 3rd house with moon?

sarbani306 (09:47:16 PM): Thats quite lovely Narayana

skanda_kumara (09:47:24 PM): thanks

skanda_kumara (09:47:32 PM): that was by Swami Rama of the Himalayas

skanda_kumara (09:47:49 PM): an Adept in Tantra and practices of Das Mahavidya

sanjayrath (09:47:52 PM): Visti yes, but be careful

sanjayrath (09:48:21 PM): I should have known. It had to be the great one

skanda_kumara (09:48:43 PM): His books are fantastic and very practical

in_joy_i_scream (09:48:45 PM): Gurudeva can i add Hreem before kleem?

sanjayprabhakaran (09:49:03 PM): Gurudeva

skanda_kumara (09:49:07 PM): I have started meditating 2 times a day for 15-30

minutes and is very helpful

sarbani306 (09:49:11 PM): Why won't you share your dasamahavidya experiences in

India too?

sanjayrath (09:49:31 PM): Visti why not just use the mantra as it is or just

look for a panchakshari ans venus is in 5

sanjayrath (09:50:26 PM): Maybe..but now,,Aroona are you here?

in_joy_i_scream (09:50:33 PM): I go by your book for finding mantra, and theres

no Panchakshari for Radhe

skanda_kumara (09:50:43 PM): Aroona where are you????

in_joy_i_scream (09:50:45 PM): Aroona left some time ago i think

skanda_kumara (09:50:55 PM): ok whose chart now

sanjayprabhakaran (09:51:35 PM): can i recite Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chaamundaayai

Vichchai

skanda_kumara (09:51:37 PM): ?

sanjayrath (09:52:03 PM): Why haven't you invited Karen?

skanda_kumara (09:52:10 PM): she is not online

in_joy_i_scream (09:52:21 PM): she can't due to her messenger.. has some

problems

skanda_kumara (09:52:22 PM): oops .. sh

skanda_kumara (09:52:24 PM): she is

sanjayprabhakaran (09:52:25 PM): she is now

sanjayprabhakaran (09:52:28 PM): i invited

in_joy_i_scream (09:52:44 PM): but its her birthday so wish her a good one

sanjayrath (09:53:18 PM): OK Karen, with due respects to the Divine Mother, we

shall see another chart now to determine the deity...Happy B'day

skanda_kumara (09:53:24 PM): tomorrow is SanjayaP's

sanjayrath (09:53:41 PM): Just spell out your chart or send the jhd file across

skanda_kumara (09:53:50 PM): she is not here

sanjayprabhakaran (09:53:57 PM): thx

in_joy_i_scream (09:54:00 PM): i will give her chart

sanjayrath (09:54:15 PM): Happy B'day Sanjay..didn't know that. Is this Tithi

based or..I guess it is the calander

sanjayprabhakaran (09:54:24 PM): CAlender

sanjayprabhakaran (09:54:27 PM): 19 Jul

sanjayprabhakaran (09:54:31 PM): THanks

skanda_kumara (09:54:47 PM): I want some sweats birthday boy )

skanda_kumara (09:54:52 PM): sweets sorry

sarbani306 (09:54:54 PM): Happy birthday Sanjay P

skanda_kumara (09:54:54 PM):

sanjayrath (09:55:01 PM): why can't I see Karen

sanjayprabhakaran (09:55:14 PM): I sent her a message

sanjayprabhakaran (09:55:20 PM): she is not there in desk it looks

in_joy_i_scream (09:55:22 PM): Karen chart; Cap Lagna, Saturn® : Aq, Jup: Ar,

Ven+Mars:Tau, Rahu:Gem, Mer+Sun:Cn, Moon:Sc.

skanda_kumara (09:55:57 PM): Her UC is inSg with exalted ketu and aspected by

exalted Rahu

in_joy_i_scream (09:56:18 PM): 2nd from UC is her Lagna; Cap

skanda_kumara (09:56:45 PM): yes and aspected by Mars/Venus from Taurus, Moon

from Scorpio'

in_joy_i_scream (09:56:48 PM): Ven is strongest aspecting from Taurus.

skanda_kumara (09:56:55 PM): Yes

skanda_kumara (09:57:00 PM): Kamalatmika

skanda_kumara (09:57:02 PM): again

in_joy_i_scream (09:57:15 PM): Ak is Mars, AmK is Venus and BK=Jup

skanda_kumara (09:57:59 PM): hmmm Moon is very weak and aspected by Jupiter

sanjayrath (09:58:02 PM): Now, Saturn is in Cp?

in_joy_i_scream (09:58:12 PM): yes with mantra pada

skanda_kumara (09:58:13 PM): nope Satrun is in Aquarius

in_joy_i_scream (09:58:20 PM): yes sorry, sat in aq

skanda_kumara (09:58:21 PM): with MantraPada

skanda_kumara (09:58:45 PM): so shd it be KAAAAAAAALI

sanjayrath (09:58:56 PM): Give me the chart again pl

in_joy_i_scream (09:59:01 PM): she is very fascinated with kali

skanda_kumara (09:59:07 PM): yes she is

skanda_kumara (10:00:08 PM): got it Gurudeva???

in_joy_i_scream (10:00:12 PM): Makara Lagna, Sani in Kumbha, Guru in Mesha,

Shukra & Mangal in Vrishbha, Rahu in mithuna, Buddha & Ravi in Kantakataka

skanda_kumara (10:00:22 PM): I sent Gurudeva the file

in_joy_i_scream (10:00:44 PM): Gurudev, Denise says thankyou for help with the

prasna.

sanjayrath (10:01:14 PM): what prasna? hi denise

skanda_kumara (10:01:21 PM): so what was decided ... the Number planet is chosen

based on weekday order or what???

in_joy_i_scream (10:01:24 PM): the one you helped me answer on the list

sanjayrath (10:01:52 PM): ok back to narayan..yes

in_joy_i_scream (10:02:15 PM): then its final narayan

skanda_kumara (10:02:22 PM): so its not based on the other order where Mercury

is 5 and Jupiter is 3

skanda_kumara (10:02:37 PM): and Rahu is 4

skanda_kumara (10:02:43 PM): ???

skanda_kumara (10:02:51 PM): ok then

skanda_kumara (10:02:54 PM): thanks gurudeva

skanda_kumara (10:03:13 PM): SanjayP are you paying attention???

sanjayrath (10:03:14 PM): whats that.. I am talking to narayan about Karen's

chart which as per our calculations is Kamalatmika

sanjayprabhakaran (10:03:19 PM): yes

skanda_kumara (10:03:20 PM): oh ok

skanda_kumara (10:03:22 PM): sorry'

skanda_kumara (10:03:28 PM): great

sanjayprabhakaran (10:03:36 PM): yes Guruji...what order the planet is counted

in Prashna..Weekday order or Numerology order?

sanjayrath (10:03:48 PM): Leave that for now..

sanjayprabhakaran (10:03:51 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (10:03:52 PM): ok

skanda_kumara (10:04:00 PM): so Kamalatmika is her Diety

skanda_kumara (10:04:07 PM): as venus is stronger

sanjayprabhakaran (10:04:08 PM): yes Kamala

sanjayprabhakaran (10:04:15 PM): in 5thhouse

skanda_kumara (10:04:19 PM): ok Gurudeva in my case

sanjayrath (10:04:29 PM): I had told her about her Kali worship from her chart,

but that has to do with the atma and nothing about GIVING

sanjayrath (10:04:44 PM): Start with Sanjays chart its his B'day

skanda_kumara (10:04:50 PM): 2H from UC is aspected by exalted Mars & Exalted

Sun

sanjayprabhakaran (10:04:55 PM):

skanda_kumara (10:04:55 PM): ok sorry

skanda_kumara (10:04:58 PM): SanjayP

skanda_kumara (10:05:01 PM): aapka chart

sanjayprabhakaran (10:05:13 PM): UC in cancer

skanda_kumara (10:05:25 PM): UC in Cancer, 2H is Virgo

skanda_kumara (10:05:30 PM): aspected by Venus

skanda_kumara (10:05:35 PM): Kamalatmika

skanda_kumara (10:05:38 PM): once again

sanjayprabhakaran (10:05:53 PM): Leo has lagna and aspected by Mars(Ak) and Rahu

in Cp

skanda_kumara (10:05:55 PM): I am send you his chart

skanda_kumara (10:06:01 PM): Gurudeva

skanda_kumara (10:07:46 PM): what happened

skanda_kumara (10:07:53 PM): is any body here

sanjayprabhakaran (10:07:56 PM): seems Guruji logged out?

in_joy_i_scream (10:08:03 PM): am here

skanda_kumara (10:08:04 PM): yeah me too

skanda_kumara (10:08:10 PM): I just logged in

sarbani306 (10:08:13 PM): So am I

skanda_kumara (10:08:28 PM): SanjayP its Kamalatmika

sanjayprabhakaran (10:08:36 PM): how?

sanjayprabhakaran (10:08:42 PM): Guruji has logged back

in_joy_i_scream (10:08:48 PM): have inv

skanda_kumara (10:09:05 PM): sorry SanjayP its not Kamalatmika

skanda_kumara (10:09:23 PM): its shd be Bagalamukhi

sanjayprabhakaran (10:09:29 PM): Mars is Ak

skanda_kumara (10:09:39 PM): then ChinnaMasta

sanjayprabhakaran (10:09:40 PM): Rahu indicates Chinnamasta

sanjayprabhakaran (10:09:58 PM):

skanda_kumara (10:10:22 PM): he's gone

sanjayprabhakaran (10:10:50 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (10:10:59 PM): u there gurudev?

sanjayprabhakaran (10:11:03 PM): I can read

sarbani306 (10:11:04 PM): yes

skanda_kumara (10:11:26 PM): yes

in_joy_i_scream (10:11:26 PM): ok sanjay invite me in again

 

in_joy_i_scream (10:11:51 PM): back in biz

skanda_kumara (10:12:03 PM): ok Gurudeva u there???

in_joy_i_scream (10:12:27 PM): is he?

sanjayprabhakaran (10:12:31 PM): lots of attachment?

skanda_kumara (10:12:43 PM): but shdnt we check the 2h from UC

skanda_kumara (10:12:47 PM): that wd be Leo

in_joy_i_scream (10:12:56 PM): ok i will try again sanjay

 

in_joy_i_scream: seagirls pick seashells on the seashore

in_joy_i_scream: ok.. ECHO

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

sanjayrath: And thats Mars & Rahu..Vijaya Yoga..Kaloh Chandi Vinayako and here

the deity is chamundi without doubt a form of Bagalamukhi..skanda maata

sarbani306: OK please expalin this to me: from where do you see what he has to

give

sanjayprabhakaran: Mars is Atmakaraka

in_joy_i_scream: no Rathji yet

 

in_joy_i_scream: no Rathji yet

sanjayrath: Oh my God..missed out on that and then it has to be Chinnamasta

skanda_kumara: good thats what we decided

skanda_kumara: ooooooooooooo

sanjayrath: Whio will give Her mantra

sanjayprabhakaran: so I recite Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chamundayai Vicchai

skanda_kumara: you should visit the temple of 64 yoginis or Kamakhya Shrine

skanda_kumara: in East India

skanda_kumara: yes as its Dasakshari

sanjayprabhakaran: do we use Akathaha chakra to see suitability?

sanjayrath: shreem hreem kleem aim vajra vairochaneeye hum phat swaaha..I hope

my memory is right

in_joy_i_scream: Gurudev is there some indication of evil spirits circulating

Sanjay?

skanda_kumara: yes

sanjayrath: Sarabani giving is from UL (Physical), UC (Mental) and US (Atma

samarpana)

skanda_kumara: ur correct gurudeva

sanjayprabhakaran: that's is for Chinnamastu?

skanda_kumara: yes Sanjayp page 258

sanjayrath: Yes

skanda_kumara: yes Sanjayp page 258

sanjayrath: Yes

sarbani306: Thank you. At last I am relieved. This was bothering me all the

time. Now I can speak.

sanjayrath: Any other question Sanjay..from tonight, everynight after 10 PM

recite this mantra 108 times

skanda_kumara: can we have a look at my chart Gurudeva???

sanjayprabhakaran:

sanjayprabhakaran: ok

sanjayrath: Go on thats the last and this exercise will be done by Sarabani..all

others have learnt this well

sarbani306: So you begin with giving in UL which leads to UC where there is a

superior form of giving till you find emancipation in US?

sanjayprabhakaran: thanks Gurudeva <0-<

skanda_kumara: Sarbani u have my chart right???

in_joy_i_scream: (_)---

sarbani306: yes...but my comp. constantly hangs up, so let me see whether I can

open my jhl or not

skanda_kumara: Ok i'll paste it here

skanda_kumara: Lagna, Sun, Mer, Sat: Aries

skanda_kumara: Moon: TAURUS

sanjayrath: Thats right Sarabani..you get into the habit of geiving

skanda_kumara: KETU, AL, UL , UC, US: Cancer

skanda_kumara: JupiterSCORPIO

sarbani306: UC is libra

skanda_kumara: MARS & RAHU CAPRICORN

sarbani306: I have opened your chart Narayana

skanda_kumara: NOPE ITS NOT LIBRA

sarbani306: UC is Libra

skanda_kumara: ITS CANCER

skanda_kumara: NOPE

Messenger: globetrekker has joined the conference.

sanjayrath: Sarabani spell out the chart

in_joy_i_scream: Bagalamukhi devi

skanda_kumara: HOW CAN ARUDHA BE IN FIRST HOUSE OR SEVENTH HOUSE

sanjayrath: Visti please let her learn..

sanjayrath: Sarabani see the Moon this is in Taurus

sarbani306: yes I saw

in_joy_i_scream: sorry, i don't get ur messages gurudev, sanjay is relaying the

messages

sanjayrath: Now 12th Lord from Moon is Mars which is in Cp

sarbani306: yes

sanjayrath: So, the Arudha Pada for Aries is in Cancer which is the UC

 

sanjayrath: Sarabani see the Moon this is in Taurus

sarbani306: yes I saw

in_joy_i_scream: sorry, i don't get ur messages gurudev, sanjay is relaying the

messages

sanjayrath: Now 12th Lord from Moon is Mars which is in Cp

skanda_kumara: yes gurudeva

sarbani306: yes

sanjayrath: So, the Arudha Pada for Aries is in Cancer which is the UC

sarbani306: yes

sanjayrath: Examine the second house from UC..Leo is second from Cancer (a) Any

Planets..No (b) Aspects..so many 3 from Aries and two from Capricorn

in_joy_i_scream: aren't u afraid Narayan is going to burst into flames?

hopefully he will learn Bramastra and control it

sarbani306: yes

sanjayrath: So, which is the deity?

sanjayrath: So, the Arudha Pada for Aries is in Cancer which is the UC

sarbani306: yes

sanjayrath: Examine the second house from UC..Leo is second from Cancer (a) Any

Planets..No (b) Aspects..so many 3 from Aries and two from Capricorn

in_joy_i_scream: aren't u afraid Narayan is going to burst into flames?

hopefully he will learn Bramastra and control it

sarbani306: yes

sanjayrath: So, which is the deity?

sarbani306: There are so many...how do I determine which is the strongest? Mars?

sanjayrath: Whcih of the planets is the strongest? Sun is definitely going to

have a dominant say unless it is the

sanjayrath: AK

skanda_kumara: no saturn is the AK

sarbani306: His Ak is sat

sanjayrath: So, Visti..??? What went wrong?

sanjayprabhakaran: I am pasting them to him

in_joy_i_scream: well i could say that Sun was with more grahas

sarbani306: So it will be sun...mars is weakened by the exchange with saturn?

skanda_kumara: but mars is exalted and in digbala

sanjayrath: You see Sun is the strongest influence and the deity is Matangi, the

das mahavidya associayed with the Sun..the one who can make even a chandala be

respected by Brahmins..Her knowledge as the patron deity of teachers is

unmatched. There is a form called Raja-Matangi

skanda_kumara: why not mars gurudeva ???

sarbani306: so sun is also in aries and 2nd from UC is its house

sanjayrath: So what about digbala..we are not going anywhere physically..in the

mana all planets have great 'digbala' as he mana can go anywhere at anytime

without any rest

sanjayrath: So what about digbala..we are not going anywhere physically..in the

mana all planets have great 'digbala' as he mana can go anywhere at anytime

without any restriction..don't seee that bal

skanda_kumara: ok

skanda_kumara: but both are exalted but u gave preference to sun as the second

lord from uc is sun itself?

sarbani306: Narayana the relshp between your mars and saturn does not auger well

sanjayrath: Even if I were to apply the 2nd rule blindly, the Sun as lord of leo

will stand out

skanda_kumara: ok

sarbani306: yes 2nd lord from UC and exalted

skanda_kumara: ok and the mantra

sanjayrath: Sarabani give the mantra

skanda_kumara: dakshinamoorthi rishi< virat chhanda

sarbani306: I am sorry I am a failure at mantras

sanjayprabhakaran: sorry tht was for tara

sanjayprabhakaran: Om Hreem Kleem Hum Matangyai Fut Swaha

sanjayrath: Narayana start the constant Japa of this beeja immediately from

tomorrow and see the results soon. Have you seen how the ISKCON members become

so spiritual and suddenly take toa pure life due to this

skanda_kumara: ok

skanda_kumara: so i shd chant just KLEEM

skanda_kumara: IS THAT ALL???

sanjayrath: No sanjay..Sun is exalted in Lagna let him start with the

Beejakshara

sanjayprabhakaran: oh no Agni beeja

sanjayrath: Yess Kleem alone. and this has to be slightly loud first and then

slowly it will go deep and see its miraculous powers

skanda_kumara: OK

sanjayprabhakaran: Kleem Hum Matangyai Fut swaha

sanjayrath: You will benefit like none have so far from the mantras the

sanjayrath: You will benefit like none have so far from the mantras they have

got..

sanjayprabhakaran:

skanda_kumara: WOW

sanjayprabhakaran: wow

skanda_kumara:

skanda_kumara: WHY IS THAT GURUDEVA???

sanjayprabhakaran: Sun exalted?

sanjayrath: You will be able to get over a very big curse on your head...haven't

you seen that till now?

skanda_kumara: WHY IS THAT GURUDEVA???

sanjayprabhakaran: Sun exalted?

sanjayrath: You will be able to get over a very big curse on your head...haven't

you seen that till now?

skanda_kumara: saturn in lagna

sanjayprabhakaran: MArs aspect

skanda_kumara: ak deb

skanda_kumara: mars aspect and ketu in forth house???

sanjayprabhakaran: whose curse?

sanjayrath: AK deb ...SUN aspected or conjoined Sat & Mars in Lagna..I have Jup

you have Sun..

sanjayprabhakaran: so father

sanjayprabhakaran: ?

skanda_kumara: father figure

sanjayrath: Narayan that Mars and Ketu is the experience of a being haunted

...like a pisa

skanda_kumara: my nadi said tht i was cursed by a girls father as i spread false

rumor abt here

sanjayrath: Yes father

skanda_kumara: ok

skanda_kumara: and she went insane

sanjayrath: That is because of Merc conjoining

sanjayprabhakaran: Mercury is Darakaraka so

sanjayprabhakaran: ?

skanda_kumara: as mercury is ninth lord from seventh house

skanda_kumara: but if pisacha is true >> how come ai havent seen any of them

sanjayrath: Yes Sanjay u r right...OK I hipe u all learnt well and who is ging

to foot my ohone bill??? These bills are killing me..my Upapada is draining

me!!!

skanda_kumara: i will

sanjayprabhakaran: I will

skanda_kumara: tell me how much it is

skanda_kumara: i said first sanjayp

sarbani306: Why dont you try the free stuff I am using?

sanjayprabhakaran: is it payable by website?

sanjayprabhakaran: please tell

skanda_kumara: yes please

sanjayrath: What free stuff sarabani..thats impossible in India..you know they

always lie

skanda_kumara: from now on we will share the bill

sanjayprabhakaran: i am ready

skanda_kumara: you doont have to pay a paisa

skanda_kumara: me too

sanjayrath: OK bye for now Jaya Jagannatha

sanjayprabhakaran: Guruji please

skanda_kumara: a minor guru dakshina

sarbani306: Type in your tel no. in username, a password and 4880000 in the dial

number...its MTNL's free access...I ahve been suing

globetrekker: Bye Gurudeva

sarbani306: Bye

skanda_kumara: jaya jagannatha

skanda_kumara: bye gurudeva

skanda_kumara: goodnight

in_joy_i_scream: good night, nice having you here!

Messenger: sanjayrath has left the conference.

sanjayprabhakaran: Goodnight

skanda_kumara: ok visti

skanda_kumara: kleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem

skanda_kumara:

sanjayprabhakaran:

sanjayprabhakaran: pisacha's choooo

skanda_kumara: i am sending u the transcripts

sarbani306: OK, good night guys...its 2 in the night

skanda_kumara: goodnite sarbani

in_joy_i_scream: yes PLEASE!

sanjayprabhakaran: goodnight

skanda_kumara: but i ahvent put the charts we analyzed

skanda_kumara: is that ok

in_joy_i_scream: thats fine

sarbani306: Narayana please send me transcripts as I missed the whole first hour

globetrekker: Good Night and thanks to ever