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Om Vishnave namah

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Dear Narasimha & all Jyotisha in this list:

 

Narasimha wrote:

 

> > TREEN IS NOT A NAME. IN FACT THE LESSON WAS BASICALLY ABOUT NAMES

> AND

> > SIMPLE MANTRA WHICH I WAS TRYING TO TEACH.

>

> Whether we are discussing a name or a general word is immaterial. The

> heart of the matter is - what combination of sounds qualifies as

> akshara? Its definition cannot change from general words to names.

>

> Whether in the name " Brendan " or in the word " treen " , the last

> sound " n " is the same and pronounced the same way. Are you saying

> that the same sound counts as akshara (imperishable) in one word and

> as kshara (perishable) in the other? If not, are you saying

> that " treen " is two aksharas/syllables and Vyasa erred?

>

> The bare sound " n " , when alone, cannot even be pronounced. How can

> such a perishible entity be considered as an akshara?

 

Rath: Erratic pronunciation does not change the mantra. For example the mantra

'namah shivaaya' is pronounced by many as 'nama shivaay' and such an erratic

pronunciation does not change the efficacy of the mantra nor the greatness and

compassion of Mahadeva in saving the worshipper. Almost everyone I have met at

Delhi used to say 'om namo narayanay' and that does not change the goodnes of

Vishnu in coming to save him. The greatness of prasiddha mantra lies in the

greatness of the mantra devata. The sounds are but hollow creators like Brahma

unless they are infused with the life force of the mantra devata.

In a similar manner, the names of people have the people themselves as the

Devata. The Devata is the one who shall respond to the name and people

themselves are taught to respond to names. The response may or may not be good

depending on the nature of the name/devata. For example, when Raghu (Goravani)

called you Narasingha, you would give detailed explanations on correct

pronunciation. Now, fact remains that it was you who responded to the name

Narasingha also. But the fact of a slight incorrect pronunciation does not alter

the name by which your fortune is determined. This is the essense. While all the

arguments are in one place, the essence is more important.

>

> > I HAVE ALSO WARNED THE JYOTISHA IN THIS LIST ABOUT BEEJAKSHARA'S.

>

> So, according you, does the sound " Phat " used in mantras have two

> aksharas or one?

Rath: Phat is a beejakshara and is an astra. It is not a name nor does it have a

mantra devata. You should differentiate between hollow words and those with a

life force in them. Names of people have the life force of the person himself.

Names of institutions have the life force of the head of the institute. It is

for this reason that the chart of a king attains significance as the good or bad

the subjects shall face shall also be the prarabdha of the king.

 

Please read this:

By the way, I would like to know what are the wrong things that I have been

teaching. After K.N.Rao & gang, you are the second person to have accused me of

this. It is important that I correct myself first before I go on to teach

further. Yesterday, I did not go to teach at the Salwan School, Karol Bagh and

instead Sarajit and others came over and requested me to teach them the Udu

dasa. I think all my teachings can be wrong and request all of you to review it

for yourself and reject it if you are not satisfied. The list of teachings

(which were not known before my entry to the public eye) are as follows:

 

1. Use of divisional charts - starting with the dasamsa (A.M, Feb 1996) and

going into various divisions as given in COVA etc. Saptamsa, drekkana where you

actually see the sex and nature of children, co-born etc, dwadasamsa with

detailed use for parents, elders

2. Pachakadi sambandha

3. Narayana Dasa

4. Su dasa

5. Shoola Dasa (what was used was generally Navamsa dasa, although Sri

Rangacharya had already taught this in the AM)

6. Nakshatra & other divisional deities, Ista devata, palana devata, Kula

devata, Guru devata and so many other issues related to spirituality including

Drig dasa.

7. Vimsottari variations & Udu dasa (the philosophy of the dasa & use)

8. Paryaya dasa in Shastamsa

9. Rudramsa & its use, mandooka dasa

10. Janma Vighati Graha for sex determination in chart

11. Details of death including place, determination of lagna of killer etc.

12. Kouluka & diseases

13. The foundation of Jyotish - Deva's (published in Digest, May 2002)

14. Tithi Pravesha Chakra

15. Tithi Ashtottari dasa

16. Use of Tithi's for timing dates & events

17. Arudha - Both Bhava pada & Graha Pada, determination of lagna of spouse,

enemy etc. Explanation for the difference between the truth and untruth.

18. Argala - its determination & use

19. Varnada & its use

20. Chara Karaka & the 8 petal lotus of hinduism.

 

....the list is exhaustive and all this in a period of 5 years from 1996 to 2001.

I think I am going very fast and need to slow down. The kind of reactions of

wrong teahing etc come when either (a) the teaching is wrong or (b) the student

is not able to give the time for the subject or © it is just beyond him.

Either way none benefit.

 

I hope your study at Varahamihira was beneficial. Please do the evaluation

seriously as this is necessary. Nobody benefits from half hearted or doubtful

attempts.

With regards & thank you for your time

Sanjay Rath

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay,

 

You have been the light at the end of the tunnel for my

Jyotish studies. We have benefited from your teachings immeasurably. I

appreciate and marvel at the way you devote your time for us students. As Solai

said Narasimha will understand your reasoning in time. Please don’t

abandon us. There is no other teacher like you to teach Jyotish. Have you ever

read Alice Baily books? One Master DK was writing through Alice Baily. You are

awe struck by the metaphysical things she reveals. You know that this is super

human knowledge and you are privileged to read that. That is the way I feel about your

teachings. May Jagannath give you the strength to guide us.

 

Pranaams

Chitra

[Guest guest]

Dear Gurudev,

 

You have taught us so much in so little time. The exhaustive list

that you gave and so much more in 5 only 5 years. Just take a step

back and think how long did it take you to learn all that and the

philosophy of it all and from your Gurudev and in what environment

(direct learning, via emails, via lists or books only).

Some people like me are half way across the world and are trying and

the only medium that like me others have are your books and the

list. I have not even had the opportinuty to meet you in person.

Like Nandan said in his email after meeting you was that he learnt so

much in 1 meeting than via so many gazzillion hours on the internet

or via emails.

Gurudev, please do not feel that what you are teaching is wrong,

because that is not correct. Others may say whatever the heck they

want, but you have sincere students that stand by your side, yes they

may not understand everything that you have taught or the essense of

it now, but in time they will.

Atleast Narasimha can debate with you and I feel that he is blessed

with the knowledege, for students like me, it will take much longer

to even understand what you are teaching forget debating.

Gurudev, please do not take what others say to heart because like its

said " Forgive them for they know not what they do " , and I know its

easier said than done, but then again that is greatness.

 

We all students have faith in you and are by your side, no matter

what others say.

 

What you have taught us in 5 years and the archives of this list and

vedic astrology list to understand it might take some people even 50

years to understand depending on the medium of instruction and

teachings. Maybe in 50 years someone will say .. ahhh.. I understand

what Sanjay said 50 years back... duh.. it was so simple and yet at

that point i could not understand... but you will have to give the

students time sooner or later people will understand and if they dont

then god has not destined them to understand. You have done your

part and we have to do ours......

 

 

Thanking you for listening,

Your Shisya,

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Please read this:

> By the way, I would like to know what are the wrong things that I

have been teaching. After K.N.Rao & gang, you are the second person

to have accused me of this. It is important that I correct myself

first before I go on to teach further. Yesterday, I did not go to

teach at the Salwan School, Karol Bagh and instead Sarajit and others

came over and requested me to teach them the Udu dasa. I think all my

teachings can be wrong and request all of you to review it for

yourself and reject it if you are not satisfied. The list of

teachings (which were not known before my entry to the public eye)

are as follows:

>

> 1. Use of divisional charts - starting with the dasamsa (A.M, Feb

1996) and going into various divisions as given in COVA etc.

Saptamsa, drekkana where you actually see the sex and nature of

children, co-born etc, dwadasamsa with detailed use for parents,

elders

> 2. Pachakadi sambandha

> 3. Narayana Dasa

> 4. Su dasa

> 5. Shoola Dasa (what was used was generally Navamsa dasa, although

Sri Rangacharya had already taught this in the AM)

> 6. Nakshatra & other divisional deities, Ista devata, palana

devata, Kula devata, Guru devata and so many other issues related to

spirituality including Drig dasa.

> 7. Vimsottari variations & Udu dasa (the philosophy of the dasa &

use)

> 8. Paryaya dasa in Shastamsa

> 9. Rudramsa & its use, mandooka dasa

> 10. Janma Vighati Graha for sex determination in chart

> 11. Details of death including place, determination of lagna of

killer etc.

> 12. Kouluka & diseases

> 13. The foundation of Jyotish - Deva's (published in Digest, May

2002)

> 14. Tithi Pravesha Chakra

> 15. Tithi Ashtottari dasa

> 16. Use of Tithi's for timing dates & events

> 17. Arudha - Both Bhava pada & Graha Pada, determination of lagna

of spouse, enemy etc. Explanation for the difference between the

truth and untruth.

> 18. Argala - its determination & use

> 19. Varnada & its use

> 20. Chara Karaka & the 8 petal lotus of hinduism.

>

> ...the list is exhaustive and all this in a period of 5 years from

1996 to 2001. I think I am going very fast and need to slow down. The

kind of reactions of wrong teahing etc come when either (a) the

teaching is wrong or (b) the student is not able to give the time for

the subject or © it is just beyond him. Either way none benefit.

>

> I hope your study at Varahamihira was beneficial. Please do the

evaluation seriously as this is necessary. Nobody benefits from half

hearted or doubtful attempts.

> With regards & thank you for your time

> Sanjay Rath