Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Respected Gurus & friends, As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I too would like to understand this. Regards, Shailesh - chandan_astro varahamihira Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? Dear Gurus and friend,I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th.I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says 6thhouse stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from 8thhouse, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand Sharmaand came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also says 6thhouse stand for debt not 8th.Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th house standfor debt then where this theory came from or what is the logic behindthis thinking?Thank youChandan Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2002 Report Share Posted June 2, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Shailesh, The 6th stands for financial solvency [the quality of your service]. 8th is other people’s money and is the house of debts and the loans you acquire from the bank [2nd house + Sun or Moon] Namaste, Swee -----Original Message----- Shailesh [scchadha] Sunday, June 02, 2002 9:07 AM varahamihira Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? Respected Gurus & friends, As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I too would like to understand this. Regards, Shailesh ----- Original Message ----- chandan_astro varahamihira Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? Dear Gurus and friend, I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th. I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says 6th house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from 8th house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand Sharma and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also says 6th house stand for debt not 8th. Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th house stand for debt then where this theory came from or what is the logic behind this thinking? Thank you Chandan Das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2002 Report Share Posted June 3, 2002 Dear Sailesh, Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would like to study this point about debt. I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the following points for debt. General indication of debt could be seen as follows. 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. If 12th is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, sun and moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, indirectly showing debt. 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus are > 28 then one will have good service, but it would also show in tandem with point 1 heavy debt. Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in Bhina Ashtakavarga. Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my studies. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Respected Gurus & friends, > > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I too would like to understand this. > > Regards, > > Shailesh > > - > chandan_astro > varahamihira > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > Dear Gurus and friend, > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th. > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says 6th > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from 8th > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand Sharma > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also says 6th > house stand for debt not 8th. > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th house stand > for debt then where this theory came from or what is the logic behind > this thinking? > Thank you > Chandan Das > > > > > OM TAT SAT > Archive: varahamihira > Files: varahamihira > varahamihira/database > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2002 Report Share Posted June 5, 2002 Dear Ash, Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre-occupied with more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late. My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as per ASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com) Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are: 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflow wins. 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, does not indicate high debts. So, what is the indicator for these debts?? And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time the debts - when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when they will be troublesome. My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late 80's. They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-up astronomically & now they are awe-some. As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legal troubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperately want to believe that. Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari), corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa, being 8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods?? Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome. Regards, Shailesh - ashsam73 varahamihira Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? Dear Sailesh,Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would like to study this point about debt.I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the following points for debt.General indication of debt could be seen as follows.1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. If 12th is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, sun and moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, indirectly showing debt.2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus are > 28 then one will have good service, but it would also show in tandem with point 1 heavy debt.Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in Bhina Ashtakavarga.Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my studies.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ashvarahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> Respected Gurus & friends,> > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I too would like to understand this.> > Regards,> > Shailesh > > - > chandan_astro > varahamihira > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house?> > > Dear Gurus and friend,> I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th.> I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says 6th> house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from 8th> house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand Sharma> and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also says 6th> house stand for debt not 8th.> Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th house stand> for debt then where this theory came from or what is the logic behind> this thinking?> Thank you> Chandan Das> > > > > OM TAT SAT> Archive: varahamihira> Files: varahamihira> varahamihira/database> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 Dear Sailesh, I was reading exchanges between Gurudev Zoran and you on the other list. In any case, with a slightly different ananyamsa I am indeed getting your Dasamsa lagna as Capricorn. But that is a different topic. In regards to answering your questions. I feel that Guru being your 6th lord and retrogate (enhancing the evil effects) of 6th lord which is aspecting 4th house and afflicting results of Venus and Sun and Rahu with Sun is further afflicting Sun. Guru is also aspecting 12th house. Its all Graha dristi. Now JHL is using Parasara's schme of BAV and not Varharamira, but for your case it is points from Lagna is same 32/26, From sun it is 31/32 and from Moon it is 30/27 points respectively. There is difference between Parasaras scheme and Varahamihira's scheme. These indicate that you will eventually be able to repay the debts. If the points in the 12th were to be greater than 11th then the person will be in debt forever. Now checking the points in the artha sthan. 31, 30, 23, 32. These points are strong except 8th house which would reduce the effects of 8th house. In some ways its good eg for longetivity, but not too good for inheretances etc. Guru is afflicting Venus, Sun and Shani (in the navamsa of Guru) and Ketu is in Guru's nakshatra. The over all significance of all these will be reduced. Now considering points, Mercury has good points for all houses. Guru is also strong (AV strength considering all aspects) is strong for all houses except 8th and 12th. Guru will not harm lagna, 6th house, 9th house and 10th house. So Guru will reduced effects for houses 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses. As per this email, you have said that you have some court issues. This again is related to 6th house matters. If you also notice closely, Shani is giving 0 points to 8th house. In general sense, planet giving 0 points meaning not supporting causes deficiency in matters related to that house. In your case its 8th house and planet not supporting it is Shani. Now Shani rules 4th and 5th house. So matters regarding those house will not support it. This could indicate that there could be issues regarding property, taxes no support from mother children etc generally matters relating to 4th and 5th house. Could you please confirm this. This would be rampant especially when Shani travels over this house. In your case 6th house is Taurus. Shani will have full hand to cause havoc there as there is no support from it. I would say wait for Shani to move into Gemini. So things should to start looking up. In your chart Shani's natal position is 17 deg 05 mins so shani when its was transitting around that point in Taurus things would have started to peak. i.e. around July 15th 2001. All this has compounded as Guru afflicts Shani (Shani is in Guru's Navamsa). So making a long story atleast the effcts of shanis transit over your 8th house with Shani giving 0 points would get over. Wait for Shani to move into Gemini. After Shani moves into Gemini, you will get support from Venus and Moon i.e. houses 11th, 9th and 2nd. Due to lack of time, I shall stop here. Thank you, Cheers !!! Ash varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre-occupied with more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late. > > My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as per ASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com) > > Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are: > > 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflow wins. > > 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, does not indicate high debts. > > So, what is the indicator for these debts?? > > And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time the debts - when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when they will be troublesome. > > My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late 80's. They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-up astronomically & now they are awe-some. > > As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legal troubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperately want to believe that. > > Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari), corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa, being 8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods?? > > Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome. > > Regards, > > Shailesh > - > ashsam73 > varahamihira > Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > Dear Sailesh, > > Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would like to > study this point about debt. > > I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the > following points for debt. > > General indication of debt could be seen as follows. > > 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. If 12th > is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, sun and > moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, indirectly > showing debt. > > 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus are > 28 > then one will have good service, but it would also show in tandem > with point 1 heavy debt. > > Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in Bhina > Ashtakavarga. > > Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my studies. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > Respected Gurus & friends, > > > > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I too would > like to understand this. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shailesh > > > > - > > chandan_astro > > varahamihira > > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > Dear Gurus and friend, > > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th. > > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says 6th > > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from 8th > > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand > Sharma > > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also says > 6th > > house stand for debt not 8th. > > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th house > stand > > for debt then where this theory came from or what is the logic > behind > > this thinking? > > Thank you > > Chandan Das > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > Archive: varahamihira > > Files: varahamihira > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your detailed mail & analysis - I do have full faith in God & am sure that the affairs will turn fr better. And from all indications this Saturn transit of TA was a three fold problem for me - last part of sade-sati, TA getting nil AV points from Saturn & Saturn in 8th. Other transits, like JU & RA added icing to the cake. As you, and every one else has told me, July 2002 should mark the end of this trying period. I have inserted some comments in your mail too. Any possibility of seeing you in Hyderabad at the Div-chart workshop (Dec 2-10, 2002)?? Do let me know. Thanks once again, & best wishes, Shailesh - ashsam73 varahamihira Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:24 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? Dear Sailesh,I was reading exchanges between Gurudev Zoran and you on the otherlist. In any case, with a slightly different ananyamsa I am indeedgetting your Dasamsa lagna as Capricorn.But that is a different topic.In regards to answering your questions. I feel that Guru being your6th lord and retrogate (enhancing the evil effects) of 6th lord whichis aspecting 4th house and afflicting results of Venus and Sun andRahu with Sun is further afflicting Sun. Guru is also aspecting 12thhouse. Its all Graha dristi.Now JHL is using Parasara's schme of BAV and not Varharamira, but foryour case it is points from Lagna is same 32/26, From sun it is 31/32and from Moon it is 30/27 points respectively. There is differencebetween Parasaras scheme and Varahamihira's scheme.These indicate that you will eventually be able to repay the debts.If the points in the 12th were to be greater than 11th then theperson will be in debt forever.Now checking the points in the artha sthan. 31, 30, 23, 32. Thesepoints are strong except 8th house which would reduce the effects of8th house. In some ways its good eg for longetivity, but not toogood for inheretances etc.Guru is afflicting Venus, Sun and Shani (in the navamsa of Guru) andKetu is in Guru's nakshatra.The over all significance of all these will be reduced.Now considering points, Mercury has good points for all houses. Guruis also strong (AV strength considering all aspects) is strong forall houses except 8th and 12th. Guru will not harm lagna, 6th house,9th house and 10th house. So Guru will reduced effects for houses2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses.As per this email, you have said that you have some court issues.This again is related to 6th house matters.If you also notice closely, Shani is giving 0 points to 8th house.In general sense, planet giving 0 points meaning not supportingcauses deficiency in matters related to that house. In your case its8th house and planet not supporting it is Shani. Now Shani rules 4thand 5th house. So matters regarding those house will not supportit. This could indicate that there could be issues regardingproperty, taxes no support from mother children etc generally mattersrelating to 4th and 5th house. Could you please confirm this.This would be rampant especially when Shani travels over this house.In your case 6th house is Taurus. Shani will have full hand to causehavoc there as there is no support from it.I would say wait for Shani to move into Gemini. So things should tostart looking up.In your chart Shani's natal position is 17 deg 05 mins so shani whenits was transitting around that point in Taurus things would havestarted to peak. i.e. around July 15th 2001.All this has compounded as Guru afflicts Shani (Shani is in Guru'sNavamsa).So making a long story atleast the effcts of shanis transit over your8th house with Shani giving 0 points would get over. Wait for Shanito move into Gemini.After Shani moves into Gemini, you will get support from Venus andMoon i.e. houses 11th, 9th and 2nd.Due to lack of time, I shall stop here.Thank you,Cheers !!!Ashvarahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> Dear Ash,>> Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre-occupiedwith more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late.>> My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as perASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com)>> Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are:>> 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflowwins.>> 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, does notindicate high debts.>> So, what is the indicator for these debts??>> And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time the debts - when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when theywill be troublesome.>> My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late 80's.They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-upastronomically & now they are awe-some.>> As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legaltroubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperately wantto believe that.>> Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari),corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa, being8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods??>> Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome.>> Regards,>> Shailesh> -> ashsam73> varahamihira> Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM> Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house?>>> Dear Sailesh,>> Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would liketo> study this point about debt.>> I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the> following points for debt.>> General indication of debt could be seen as follows.>> 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. If12th> is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, sunand> moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, indirectly> showing debt.>> 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus are >28> then one will have good service, but it would also show in tandem> with point 1 heavy debt.>> Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution inBhina> Ashtakavarga.>> Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in mystudies.>> Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> Ash>>>>> varahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> > Respected Gurus & friends,> >> > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I toowould> like to understand this.> >> > Regards,> >> > Shailesh> >> > -> > chandan_astro> > varahamihira> > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM> > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house?> >> >> > Dear Gurus and friend,> > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th.> > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says6th> > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from8th> > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand> Sharma> > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS alsosays> 6th> > house stand for debt not 8th.> > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8thhouse> stand> > for debt then where this theory came from or what is thelogic> behind> > this thinking?> > Thank you> > Chandan Das> >> >> >> >> > OM TAT SAT> > Archive: varahamihira> > Files: varahamihira> > varahamihira/database> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2002 Report Share Posted June 6, 2002 Dear Sailesh, I could not find your comments that you said that you added. Is there some place that I am not looking ? Sailesh, I am not scheduled to come to India anytime soon. Wish I could attend the meeting either in Bombay or anywhere where SJVC jyotishas are there. Looking forward to your comments as they will help me in my studies. Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Thanks a lot for your detailed mail & analysis - I do have full faith in God & am sure that the affairs will turn fr better. > > And from all indications this Saturn transit of TA was a three fold problem for me - last part of sade-sati, TA getting nil AV points from Saturn & Saturn in 8th. Other transits, like JU & RA added icing to the cake. > > As you, and every one else has told me, July 2002 should mark the end of this trying period. > > I have inserted some comments in your mail too. > > Any possibility of seeing you in Hyderabad at the Div-chart workshop (Dec 2-10, 2002)?? Do let me know. > > Thanks once again, & best wishes, > > Shailesh > > - > ashsam73 > varahamihira > Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:24 PM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > Dear Sailesh, > I was reading exchanges between Gurudev Zoran and you on the other > list. In any case, with a slightly different ananyamsa I am indeed > getting your Dasamsa lagna as Capricorn. > But that is a different topic. > > In regards to answering your questions. I feel that Guru being your > 6th lord and retrogate (enhancing the evil effects) of 6th lord which > is aspecting 4th house and afflicting results of Venus and Sun and > Rahu with Sun is further afflicting Sun. Guru is also aspecting 12th > house. Its all Graha dristi. > > Now JHL is using Parasara's schme of BAV and not Varharamira, but for > your case it is points from Lagna is same 32/26, From sun it is 31/32 > and from Moon it is 30/27 points respectively. There is difference > between Parasaras scheme and Varahamihira's scheme. > > These indicate that you will eventually be able to repay the debts. > If the points in the 12th were to be greater than 11th then the > person will be in debt forever. > > Now checking the points in the artha sthan. 31, 30, 23, 32. These > points are strong except 8th house which would reduce the effects of > 8th house. In some ways its good eg for longetivity, but not too > good for inheretances etc. > > Guru is afflicting Venus, Sun and Shani (in the navamsa of Guru) and > Ketu is in Guru's nakshatra. > > The over all significance of all these will be reduced. > > Now considering points, Mercury has good points for all houses. Guru > is also strong (AV strength considering all aspects) is strong for > all houses except 8th and 12th. Guru will not harm lagna, 6th house, > 9th house and 10th house. So Guru will reduced effects for houses > 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses. > > As per this email, you have said that you have some court issues. > This again is related to 6th house matters. > > If you also notice closely, Shani is giving 0 points to 8th house. > In general sense, planet giving 0 points meaning not supporting > causes deficiency in matters related to that house. In your case its > 8th house and planet not supporting it is Shani. Now Shani rules 4th > and 5th house. So matters regarding those house will not support > it. This could indicate that there could be issues regarding > property, taxes no support from mother children etc generally matters > relating to 4th and 5th house. Could you please confirm this. > This would be rampant especially when Shani travels over this house. > In your case 6th house is Taurus. Shani will have full hand to cause > havoc there as there is no support from it. > > I would say wait for Shani to move into Gemini. So things should to > start looking up. > > In your chart Shani's natal position is 17 deg 05 mins so shani when > its was transitting around that point in Taurus things would have > started to peak. i.e. around July 15th 2001. > > All this has compounded as Guru afflicts Shani (Shani is in Guru's > Navamsa). > > So making a long story atleast the effcts of shanis transit over your > 8th house with Shani giving 0 points would get over. Wait for Shani > to move into Gemini. > > After Shani moves into Gemini, you will get support from Venus and > Moon i.e. houses 11th, 9th and 2nd. > > Due to lack of time, I shall stop here. > > Thank you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre- occupied > with more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late. > > > > My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as per > ASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com) > > > > Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are: > > > > 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflow > wins. > > > > 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, does not > indicate high debts. > > > > So, what is the indicator for these debts?? > > > > And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time the debts - > when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when they > will be troublesome. > > > > My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late 80's. > They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-up > astronomically & now they are awe-some. > > > > As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legal > troubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperately want > to believe that. > > > > Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari), > corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa, being > 8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods?? > > > > Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome. > > > > Regards, > > > > Shailesh > > - > > ashsam73 > > varahamihira > > Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > Dear Sailesh, > > > > Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would like > to > > study this point about debt. > > > > I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the > > following points for debt. > > > > General indication of debt could be seen as follows. > > > > 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. If > 12th > > is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, sun > and > > moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, indirectly > > showing debt. > > > > 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus are > > 28 > > then one will have good service, but it would also show in tandem > > with point 1 heavy debt. > > > > Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in > Bhina > > Ashtakavarga. > > > > Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my > studies. > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > Respected Gurus & friends, > > > > > > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, I too > would > > like to understand this. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shailesh > > > > > > - > > > chandan_astro > > > varahamihira > > > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and friend, > > > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or 8th. > > > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans-- says > 6th > > > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen from > 8th > > > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish Chand > > Sharma > > > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also > says > > 6th > > > house stand for debt not 8th. > > > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th > house > > stand > > > for debt then where this theory came from or what is the > logic > > behind > > > this thinking? > > > Thank you > > > Chandan Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > Files: varahamihira > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Dear Ash, Sorry for my slip - I hit the <<<send>>> button too soon. Here are the comments. Thanks & best wishes Shailesh - ashsam73 varahamihira Friday, June 07, 2002 1:28 AM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? Dear Sailesh,I could not find your comments that you said that you added. Isthere some place that I am not looking ?Sailesh, I am not scheduled to come to India anytime soon. Wish Icould attend the meeting either in Bombay or anywhere where SJVCjyotishas are there.Looking forward to your comments as they will help me in my studies.Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ashvarahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> Dear Ash,>> Thanks a lot for your detailed mail & analysis - I do have fullfaith in God & am sure that the affairs will turn fr better.>> And from all indications this Saturn transit of TA was a three foldproblem for me - last part of sade-sati, TA getting nil AV pointsfrom Saturn & Saturn in 8th. Other transits, like JU & RA added icingto the cake.>> As you, and every one else has told me, July 2002 should mark theend of this trying period.>> I have inserted some comments in your mail too.>> Any possibility of seeing you in Hyderabad at the Div-chartworkshop (Dec 2-10, 2002)?? Do let me know.>> Thanks once again, & best wishes,>> Shailesh>> -> ashsam73> varahamihira> Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:24 PM> [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house?>>> Dear Sailesh,> I was reading exchanges between Gurudev Zoran and you on the other > list. In any case, with a slightly different ananyamsa I am indeed> getting your Dasamsa lagna as Capricorn.> But that is a different topic. ARE YOU USING KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA??? > In regards to answering your questions. I feel that Guru being your> 6th lord and retrogate (enhancing the evil effects) of 6th lord which> is aspecting 4th house and afflicting results of Venus and Sun and> Rahu with Sun is further afflicting Sun. Guru is also aspecting 12th> house. Its all Graha dristi. AS PER SANJAY J'S TEACHINGS, JUP IS NEVER EVIL - IT'S OWNERSHIP OF EVIL HOUSES WILL NO DOUBT MANIFEST AT APPROPRIATE TIME & SPHERE BUT ITS ASPECTS, ETC SHOULD NOT HARM OTHER HOUSES/ GRAHAS. ALSO, 3L/6L IN 8H IS A VRY. > Now JHL is using Parasara's schme of BAV and not Varharamira, but for> your case it is points from Lagna is same 32/26, From sun it is 31/32> and from Moon it is 30/27 points respectively. There is difference> between Parasaras scheme and Varahamihira's scheme. I MISSED THIS POINT. > These indicate that you will eventually be able to repay the debts.> If the points in the 12th were to be greater than 11th then the> person will be in debt forever. CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THE TIMING & SOURCES FOR REPAYMENT?? > Now checking the points in the artha sthan. 31, 30, 23, 32. These> points are strong except 8th house which would reduce the effects of> 8th house. In some ways its good eg for longetivity, but not too> good for inheretances etc.>> Guru is afflicting Venus, Sun and Shani (in the navamsa of Guru) and> Ketu is in Guru's nakshatra. AM I MISSING SOMETHING - FOR SHANI IS IN OWN NAVAMSA, AQUARIUS. > The over all significance of all these will be reduced.>> Now considering points, Mercury has good points for all houses.Guru> is also strong (AV strength considering all aspects) is strong for> all houses except 8th and 12th. Guru will not harm lagna, 6th house,> 9th house and 10th house. So Guru will reduced effects for houses> 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses. I CAN NOT FOLLOW YOUR REASONING HERE - FIRST, HOW DOES IT REDUCE THE EFFECTS, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE LAST LINE. SECONDLY, SINCE YOU DO NOT CONSIDER RASI DRISHTI, GURU IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH 5H, 7H & 11H - SO HOW DOES IT INFLUENCE THEM > As per this email, you have said that you have some court issues.> This again is related to 6th house matters. I DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY THAT THERE ARE COURT CASES - I WAS ONLY QOUTING FROM MY NADI READING. HOWEVER, I AM IN THE PROCESS OF INITIATING SOME LEGAL PROCEEDINGS TO RECOVER OUR DUES, WHICH WILL RESULT IN COURT CASES. > If you also notice closely, Shani is giving 0 points to 8th house.> In general sense, planet giving 0 points meaning not supporting> causes deficiency in matters related to that house. In your case its> 8th house and planet not supporting it is Shani. Now Shani rules 4th> and 5th house. So matters regarding those house will not support> it. This could indicate that there could be issues regarding> property, taxes no support from mother children etc generally matters> relating to 4th and 5th house. Could you please confirm this. WHAT MATTERS DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH 8H, OTHER THAN LONGEVITY, SUDDEN GAINS, INHERITENCE ETC., - SINCE YOU TAKE DEBTS/ BORROWINGS FROM 6H. REG. 4H & 5H MATTERS, IT IS CORRECT - RELATIONS WITH MOTHER ARE VERY COLD & CHILDREN ARE STILL STUDYING. BUT THEN THESE TWO HOUSES ALSO INDICATE LEARNING & , HERE I FEEL MATTERS ARE DIFFERENT. SINCE I AM IN I.T. SERVICES BUSINESS, I AM ABLE TO SUSTAIN MYSELF MAINLY ON THE STRENGTH ON MY EDUCATION/ LEARNING. AND ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LOSSES DUE TO ERRORS OF EMPLOYEES, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING & SUPPORTIVE. [ FROM WHICH HOUSE DO YOU SEE SUBORDINATES - 5H OR 6H??] > This would be rampant especially when Shani travels over this house.> In your case 6th house is Taurus. Shani will have full hand to cause> havoc there as there is no support from it. IS THERE SOME TYPO ABOVE << 6H IS TA >> - DO YOU MEAN 8H??> I would say wait for Shani to move into Gemini. So things should to> start looking up. THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY HAS TOLD ME - THE TIME IS NOT TOO FAR OFF. BUT THEN, THE CHANGES ARE NEVER OVERNIGHT - AND THEN RAHU WILL BE IN TAURUS FOR QUITE SOME TIME. > In your chart Shani's natal position is 17 deg 05 mins so shani when> its was transitting around that point in Taurus things would have> started to peak. i.e. around July 15th 2001. I WOULD SAY AROUND THIS TIME I STARTED DISMANTELING THE FOOL-HARDY PROJECT THAT I HAD LAUNCHED - OR SHALL WE SAY THAT I REALISED THAT I WAS BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE BY THE SO-CALLED EXPERTS/ CONSULTANTS!>> All this has compounded as Guru afflicts Shani (Shani is in Guru's Navamsa). CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS - AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IN D9 SHANI IS IN AQ. > So making a long story atleast the effcts of shanis transit over your> 8th house with Shani giving 0 points would get over. Wait for Shani> to move into Gemini.>> After Shani moves into Gemini, you will get support from Venus and> Moon i.e. houses 11th, 9th and 2nd. I NEED YOUR EXPLANATION HERE TOO - HOW DID YOU SELECT THESE HOUSES, AS THEY ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER VENUS OR MOON, NOR IS SATURN HAVING HIGH POINTS IN THESE HOUSES. > Due to lack of time, I shall stop here.>> Thank you,> Cheers !!!> Ash>>> varahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> > Dear Ash,> >> > Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre-occupied> with more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late.> >> > My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as per> ASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com)> >> > Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are:> >> > 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflow> wins.> >> > 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, doesnot> indicate high debts.> >> > So, what is the indicator for these debts??> >> > And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time thedebts -> when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when they> will be troublesome.> >> > My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late80's.> They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-up> astronomically & now they are awe-some.> >> > As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legal> troubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperatelywant> to believe that.> >> > Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari),> corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa,being> 8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods??> >> > Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome.> >> > Regards,> >> > Shailesh> > -> > ashsam73> > varahamihira> > Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM> > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house?> >> >> > Dear Sailesh,> >> > Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I wouldlike> to> > study this point about debt.> >> > I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the> > following points for debt.> >> > General indication of debt could be seen as follows.> >> > 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun.If> 12th> > is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna,sun> and> > moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income,indirectly> > showing debt.> >> > 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindusare >> 28> > then one will have good service, but it would also show intandem> > with point 1 heavy debt.> >> > Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in> Bhina> > Ashtakavarga.> >> > Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my> studies.> >> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> >> >> >> > varahamihira, "Shailesh" <scchadha@h...> wrote:> > > Respected Gurus & friends,> > >> > > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe-nails, Itoo> would> > like to understand this.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Shailesh> > >> > > -> > > chandan_astro> > > varahamihira> > > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM> > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house?> > >> > >> > > Dear Gurus and friend,> > > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or8th.> > > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans--says> 6th> > > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seenfrom> 8th> > > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by GirishChand> > Sharma> > > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also> says> > 6th> > > house stand for debt not 8th.> > > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th> house> > stand> > > for debt then where this theory came from or what is the> logic> > behind> > > this thinking?> > > Thank you> > > Chandan Das> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > OM TAT SAT> > > Archive: varahamihira> > > Files: varahamihira> > > varahamihira/database> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Dear Sailesh, Here are my comments in caps. varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Sorry for my slip - I hit the <<<send>>> button too soon. > > Here are the comments. > > Thanks & best wishes > > Shailesh > > - > ashsam73 > varahamihira > Friday, June 07, 2002 1:28 AM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > Dear Sailesh, > > I could not find your comments that you said that you added. Is > there some place that I am not looking ? > > Sailesh, I am not scheduled to come to India anytime soon. Wish I > could attend the meeting either in Bombay or anywhere where SJVC > jyotishas are there. > > Looking forward to your comments as they will help me in my studies. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks a lot for your detailed mail & analysis - I do have full > faith in God & am sure that the affairs will turn fr better. > > > > And from all indications this Saturn transit of TA was a three fold > problem for me - last part of sade-sati, TA getting nil AV points > from Saturn & Saturn in 8th. Other transits, like JU & RA added icing > to the cake. > > > > As you, and every one else has told me, July 2002 should mark the > end of this trying period. > > > > I have inserted some comments in your mail too. > > > > Any possibility of seeing you in Hyderabad at the Div-chart > workshop (Dec 2-10, 2002)?? Do let me know. > > > > Thanks once again, & best wishes, > > > > Shailesh > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > varahamihira > > Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:24 PM > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > Dear Sailesh, > > I was reading exchanges between Gurudev Zoran and you on the other > > list. In any case, with a slightly different ananyamsa I am indeed > > getting your Dasamsa lagna as Capricorn. > > But that is a different topic. > > ARE YOU USING KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA??? Ash : YES, INDEED I AM USING KRUSHNA'S ANANYAMSA. IT FALLS BETWEEN LAHIRI AND RAMANS. GURUDEV SANJAY IN HIS ANALYSIS ON HIS WEB SITE OF TAGORE HAS ALSO SAID THAT THE TRUE ANANYAMSA LIES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LAHIRI AND RAMANS. > > > In regards to answering your questions. I feel that Guru being your > > 6th lord and retrogate (enhancing the evil effects) of 6th lord which > > is aspecting 4th house and afflicting results of Venus and Sun and > > Rahu with Sun is further afflicting Sun. Guru is also aspecting 12th > > house. Its all Graha dristi. > > AS PER SANJAY J'S TEACHINGS, JUP IS NEVER EVIL - IT'S OWNERSHIP OF EVIL HOUSES WILL NO DOUBT MANIFEST AT APPROPRIATE TIME & SPHERE BUT ITS ASPECTS, ETC SHOULD NOT HARM OTHER HOUSES/ GRAHAS. ASH : I AM USING ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE BASIS OF WHICH ARE : IT USES GRAHA DRISIT (DESIRES) + UPACHAYA (GROWTH) + VIMSHOTTARI DASA STARTING FROM MOON SIGN (MIND). OVERALL STRENGTH OF PLANETS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION USING ASPECTS (GRAHA DRISTI). GURU BY ITS INHERENT NATURE IS NOT A MALEFIC PLANET. IT CONTRIBUTES A WHOOPING 56 BINDUS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS THAT CONTRIBUTE ONLY 39 BINDUS. WHEN GURU DISTRIBUTES THESE POINTS IT SUPPORTS A LOT OF PLANETS, USING AV TO VIEW THIS, IT MEANS THAT GURU WOULD DISTRIBUTE 56 BINDUS OVER 12 HOUSES. ITS ALSO VERY RARE TO FIND GURU HAVING < 4 POINTS IN A CHART, IF IT DOES THEN SOME OTHER HOUSE WILL GET THOSE POITNS AND WILL BECOME POWERFUL DUE TO GURU. GURU BY ITS RASI DRISTI WILL NOT CAUSE MALEFIC RASI DRISTI, BUT GRAHA DRISTI IS DIFFERENT. FOR THAT THE BEST ANALOGY I CAN GIVE IS THAT THE SIGN OF DEBILITATION IS OPPOSITE TO THOSE OF EXALTATION OF PLANETS. ALL PLANETS HAVE 7TH GRAHA DRISTI, SO IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN ITS EXALTATION POSITION THE IT WILL SEND ITS MALEFICANCE TO THE HOUSE IT ASPECTS. SHANI THOUGH IT MAY BE POWERFUL FOR A CHART IT DOES NOT LOOSE ITS INHERENT NATURE TO CAUSE DELAY IF IT FINDS OPPORTUNITY. NOW LOOK AT YOUR CHART, SHANI TRANSITTED OVER A HOUSE WITH 0 BINDUS. HAS SHANI FAILED TO SHOW ITS MALEFICANCE ? DO NOT MIX GRAHA DRISTI WITH RASI DRISTI. ONE IS DESIRE AND THE OTHER IS ENVIRONMENT. ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, I DO USE RASI DRISTI, BUT NOT WITH ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. > > ALSO, 3L/6L IN 8H IS A VRY. > > > Now JHL is using Parasara's schme of BAV and not Varharamira, but for > > your case it is points from Lagna is same 32/26, From sun it is 31/32 > > and from Moon it is 30/27 points respectively. There is difference > > between Parasaras scheme and Varahamihira's scheme. > > I MISSED THIS POINT. > > > These indicate that you will eventually be able to repay the debts. > > If the points in the 12th were to be greater than 11th then the > > person will be in debt forever. > > CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THE TIMING & SOURCES FOR REPAYMENT?? ASH : 11TH HOUSE IS STRONGER THAN 12TH HOUSE SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPAY YOUR DEBTS. WHEN, I DO NOT KNOW FOR NOW NEITHER DO I KNOW HOW AND THE SOURCE OF REPAYMENT. I HAVE NOT REACHED THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE. I AM JUST A STUDENT. MAYBE IN TIME I SHALL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT IF YOU STUDY CLOSESLY THAT THE NEXT HOUSE THAT SHANI I MOVING TO WILL BE THAT OF 9 TO WHICH SHANI CONTRIBUTES 2 POINTS THE ONE AFTER IS AGIAN 2 POINTS THE ONE AFTER IS 3 POINTS THE ONE AFTER IS 3, THEN 4 ETC... THIS SHOWS THAT MORE AND MORE HELP WILL BE GOTTEN TO OPPOSE SHANI AS PASSING OF EVERY 2.5 YEARS. THAT IS THE BEST I CAN SAY FOR NOW. THE REST AS AND WHEN I LEARN AND GET A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING. > > > Now checking the points in the artha sthan. 31, 30, 23, 32. These > > points are strong except 8th house which would reduce the effects of > > 8th house. In some ways its good eg for longetivity, but not too > > good for inheretances etc. > > > > Guru is afflicting Venus, Sun and Shani (in the navamsa of Guru) and > > Ketu is in Guru's nakshatra. > > AM I MISSING SOMETHING - FOR SHANI IS IN OWN NAVAMSA, AQUARIUS. ASH : I AM USING KRUSHNA'S ANANYAMSA AND AM GETTING SHANI IN NAVAMSA OF GURU. THAT SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING DISCRAPANCY IN NAVAMSA. ON THE SAME BASIS I AM GETTING YOUR D10 TO BE CAPRICORN. I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED YOUR BIRTH TIME AND HAVE TAKEN THE BIRTH TIME GIVEN BY YOU. (I HAVE NOT REACHED THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE ENOUGH TO RECTIFY A CHART). PS : I AM ANSWERING THE QUERY FROM A PC THAT I DO NOT HAVE YOUR CHART OF SOFTWARE ON, HENCE I AM GOING BY MY MEMORY OF YOUR CHART. > > > The over all significance of all these will be reduced. > > > > Now considering points, Mercury has good points for all houses.Guru > > is also strong (AV strength considering all aspects) is strong for > > all houses except 8th and 12th. Guru will not harm lagna, 6th house, > > 9th house and 10th house. So Guru will reduced effects for houses > > 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses. > > I CAN NOT FOLLOW YOUR REASONING HERE - FIRST, HOW DOES IT REDUCE THE EFFECTS, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE LAST LINE. ASH : HERE I HAVE COMPUTED THE TOTAL ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH (BASED ON DRISTIS, + BASIC STRENGTH ETC). NOW GURU IS STRONG AND IS THE LORD OF 6TH HOUSE. A STRONG 6TH LORD WHICH IS STRONG FOR ALL HOUSES WILL REDUCED THE EFFECTS OF THOSE HOUSES EXCEPT FOR WHICH IT IS THE LORD OF 10TH FROM THAT HOUSE OR 6TH FROM IT. BASICALLY UPACHAYA, AS UPACHAYA HOUSES ARE HOUSES OF GROWTH. > > SECONDLY, SINCE YOU DO NOT CONSIDER RASI DRISHTI, GURU IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH 5H, 7H & 11H - SO HOW DOES IT INFLUENCE THEM ASH : RASI DRISTI SHOWS THE ENVIRONMENT, AND GRAHA DRISTI SHOWS DESIRES. NOW ONE CAN APPROACH A QUESTION FROM BOTH ANGLES BASED ON AN ENTIRE SYSTEM AND ITS PHILOSOPHY. PLUS THERE IS ALWAYS SCOPE FOR RESEARCH BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO REACH THAT LEVEL IT PROBABLY WILL TAKE ME A LIFETIME. GURU WILL NOT HAVE MALEFIC RASI DRISTI. BUT GURU CAN HAVE MALEFIC GRAHA DRISTI. FOR EG. IN AV SYSTEM IF GURU IS IN A HOUSE WITH 6 BINDUS THEN FOR COMPUTING OVERALL STRENGTH IT WILL ASPECT 5TH,7TH AND 9TH WITH -6 BINDUS. GURU WILL DELIVER FAVOURABLE RESULTS IN THE HOUSE IT IS POSTED IN BECAUSE IT IS DELIVERING 6 BINDUS TO THAT HOUSE BUT IT WILL REDUCED THE EFFECTS BY GRAHA DRISTI OF THE HOUSE IT IS HAVING IT GRAHA ON. MAKING A LONG STORY SHORT IT IS A SYSTEM AND A PART AND PARCEL OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY, WHICH I ALSO FEEL GOT LOST SOMEWHERE DURING TIME AS IN ORDER TO COMPUTE THE OVERALL POINTS AND THE STRENGTH WITHOUT COMPUTERS AND SOPHISTICATED PROGRAM WOULD MAKE IT VERY TIME CONSUMING FOR ASTROLOGERS TO CAST A CHART AND VERY ERROR PRONE. NOW WITH COMPUTERS IT CAN GIVE THESE THING IN A FLASH. IN ANYCASE 33% IS IN OUR HANDS (UPACHAYA) AND 66% IS FATE OR DESTINED. THIS HAS BEEN ADVISED BY GURUDEV SANJAY. THIS AV SYSTEM AS I HAVE EXPLAINED HAS A PHILOSOPHY. THERE IS SCOPE FOR RESEARCH BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST I HAVE TO LEARN THIS PROPERLY. > > > As per this email, you have said that you have some court issues. > > This again is related to 6th house matters. > > I DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY THAT THERE ARE COURT CASES - I WAS ONLY QOUTING FROM MY NADI READING. HOWEVER, I AM IN THE PROCESS OF INITIATING SOME LEGAL PROCEEDINGS TO RECOVER OUR DUES, WHICH WILL RESULT IN COURT CASES. ASH : OK THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION, BUT YES COURT CASES IF U INITIATE THEM OR THE NADI SAYS THEY ARE 6TH HOUSE MATTERS. > > > If you also notice closely, Shani is giving 0 points to 8th house. > > In general sense, planet giving 0 points meaning not supporting > > causes deficiency in matters related to that house. In your case its > > 8th house and planet not supporting it is Shani. Now Shani rules 4th > > and 5th house. So matters regarding those house will not support > > it. This could indicate that there could be issues regarding > > property, taxes no support from mother children etc generally matters > > relating to 4th and 5th house. Could you please confirm this. > > WHAT MATTERS DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH 8H, OTHER THAN LONGEVITY, SUDDEN GAINS, INHERITENCE ETC., - SINCE YOU TAKE DEBTS/ BORROWINGS FROM 6H. ASH : I AM FOLLOWING VEDIC ASTROLOGY. SO WHAT YOU GIVE FOR 8TH HOUSE IS GONNA BE THE SAME FOR WHAT I GIVE. VEDIC ASTROLOGY IS SO VAST AND ONE USES DIFFERENT YARD STICK AND METHODS AND TECHNIQUES AND IN THEORY NO MATTER HOW U CHOOSE TO RESOLVE THE CHART WITH WHATEVER METHODS YOU SHOULD COME TO THE SAME ANSWER. > > REG. 4H & 5H MATTERS, IT IS CORRECT - RELATIONS WITH MOTHER ARE VERY COLD & CHILDREN ARE STILL STUDYING. > > BUT THEN THESE TWO HOUSES ALSO INDICATE LEARNING & , HERE I FEEL MATTERS ARE DIFFERENT. SINCE I AM IN I.T. SERVICES BUSINESS, I AM ABLE TO SUSTAIN MYSELF MAINLY ON THE STRENGTH ON MY EDUCATION/ LEARNING. > > AND ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LOSSES DUE TO ERRORS OF EMPLOYEES, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING & SUPPORTIVE. [ FROM WHICH HOUSE DO YOU SEE SUBORDINATES - 5H OR 6H??] ASH : IF LORDS OF KENDRAS AND LAKSMI ARE TOGETHER BASICALLY RAJ YOGS + WITH POWERFUL 10TH HOUSE (SAV), 6TH HOUSE (SOCIAL STATUS, JOB) THEN ONE WILL BE IN A POSITION OF POWER OR LEADER OR MANAGER ETC AND THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT HE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE REPORTING TO HIM. > > > This would be rampant especially when Shani travels over this house. > > In your case 6th house is Taurus. Shani will have full hand to cause > > havoc there as there is no support from it. > > IS THERE SOME TYPO ABOVE << 6H IS TA >> - DO YOU MEAN 8H?? ASH : THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THE TYPO. > > > I would say wait for Shani to move into Gemini. So things should to > > start looking up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n your chart Shani's natal position is 17 deg 05 mins so shani when > > its was transitting around that point in Taurus things would have > > started to peak. i.e. around July 15th 2001. > > I WOULD SAY AROUND THIS TIME I STARTED DISMANTELING THE FOOL- HARDY PROJECT THAT I HAD LAUNCHED - OR SHALL WE SAY THAT I REALISED THAT I WAS BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE BY THE SO-CALLED EXPERTS/ CONSULTANTS! > > > > All this has compounded as Guru afflicts Shani (Shani is in Guru's Navamsa). > CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS - AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IN D9 SHANI IS IN AQ. ASH : ANSWERED ABOVE, DIFFERENT ANANYAMSA. > > > So making a long story atleast the effcts of shanis transit over your > > 8th house with Shani giving 0 points would get over. Wait for Shani > > to move into Gemini. > > > > After Shani moves into Gemini, you will get support from Venus and > > Moon i.e. houses 11th, 9th and 2nd. > > I NEED YOUR EXPLANATION HERE TOO - HOW DID YOU SELECT THESE HOUSES, AS THEY ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER VENUS OR MOON, NOR IS SATURN HAVING HIGH POINTS IN THESE HOUSES. ASH : I SELECTED THESE HOUSES AS THESE HOUSE IN YOUR CHART ARE RULED EITHER MY MOON AND VENUS. I APPOLOGISE FOR MY MISTAKE. IT SHOULD BE HOUSES THAT MOON AND VENUS OWN. I.E. 1ST, 8TH AND 10TH. > > > Due to lack of time, I shall stop here. > > > > Thank you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre- > occupied > > with more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late. > > > > > > My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as per > > ASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com) > > > > > > Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are: > > > > > > 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflow > > wins. > > > > > > 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, does > not > > indicate high debts. > > > > > > So, what is the indicator for these debts?? > > > > > > And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time the > debts - > > when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when they > > will be troublesome. > > > > > > My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late > 80's. > > They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-up > > astronomically & now they are awe-some. > > > > > > As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legal > > troubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperately > want > > to believe that. > > > > > > Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari), > > corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa, > being > > 8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods?? > > > > > > Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shailesh > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > varahamihira > > > Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM > > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > > > > Dear Sailesh, > > > > > > Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would > like > > to > > > study this point about debt. > > > > > > I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the > > > following points for debt. > > > > > > General indication of debt could be seen as follows. > > > > > > 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. > If > > 12th > > > is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, > sun > > and > > > moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, > indirectly > > > showing debt. > > > > > > 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus > are > > > 28 > > > then one will have good service, but it would also show in > tandem > > > with point 1 heavy debt. > > > > > > Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in > > Bhina > > > Ashtakavarga. > > > > > > Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my > > studies. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > > Respected Gurus & friends, > > > > > > > > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe- nails, I > too > > would > > > like to understand this. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Shailesh > > > > > > > > - > > > > chandan_astro > > > > varahamihira > > > > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM > > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and friend, > > > > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or > 8th. > > > > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans-- > says > > 6th > > > > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen > from > > 8th > > > > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish > Chand > > > Sharma > > > > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also > > says > > > 6th > > > > house stand for debt not 8th. > > > > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th > > house > > > stand > > > > for debt then where this theory came from or what is the > > logic > > > behind > > > > this thinking? > > > > Thank you > > > > Chandan Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > > Files: varahamihira > > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2002 Report Share Posted June 7, 2002 Dear Sailesh, Here are my comments in caps. varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > Dear Ash, > > Sorry for my slip - I hit the <<<send>>> button too soon. > > Here are the comments. > > Thanks & best wishes > > Shailesh > > - > ashsam73 > varahamihira > Friday, June 07, 2002 1:28 AM > [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > Dear Sailesh, > > I could not find your comments that you said that you added. Is > there some place that I am not looking ? > > Sailesh, I am not scheduled to come to India anytime soon. Wish I > could attend the meeting either in Bombay or anywhere where SJVC > jyotishas are there. > > Looking forward to your comments as they will help me in my studies. > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > > > Thanks a lot for your detailed mail & analysis - I do have full > faith in God & am sure that the affairs will turn fr better. > > > > And from all indications this Saturn transit of TA was a three fold > problem for me - last part of sade-sati, TA getting nil AV points > from Saturn & Saturn in 8th. Other transits, like JU & RA added icing > to the cake. > > > > As you, and every one else has told me, July 2002 should mark the > end of this trying period. > > > > I have inserted some comments in your mail too. > > > > Any possibility of seeing you in Hyderabad at the Div-chart > workshop (Dec 2-10, 2002)?? Do let me know. > > > > Thanks once again, & best wishes, > > > > Shailesh > > > > - > > ashsam73 > > varahamihira > > Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:24 PM > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > Dear Sailesh, > > I was reading exchanges between Gurudev Zoran and you on the other > > list. In any case, with a slightly different ananyamsa I am indeed > > getting your Dasamsa lagna as Capricorn. > > But that is a different topic. > > ARE YOU USING KRUSHNA'S AYANAMSA??? Ash : YES, INDEED I AM USING KRUSHNA'S ANANYAMSA. IT FALLS BETWEEN LAHIRI AND RAMANS. GURUDEV SANJAY IN HIS ANALYSIS ON HIS WEB SITE OF TAGORE HAS ALSO SAID THAT THE TRUE ANANYAMSA LIES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LAHIRI AND RAMANS. > > > In regards to answering your questions. I feel that Guru being your > > 6th lord and retrogate (enhancing the evil effects) of 6th lord which > > is aspecting 4th house and afflicting results of Venus and Sun and > > Rahu with Sun is further afflicting Sun. Guru is also aspecting 12th > > house. Its all Graha dristi. > > AS PER SANJAY J'S TEACHINGS, JUP IS NEVER EVIL - IT'S OWNERSHIP OF EVIL HOUSES WILL NO DOUBT MANIFEST AT APPROPRIATE TIME & SPHERE BUT ITS ASPECTS, ETC SHOULD NOT HARM OTHER HOUSES/ GRAHAS. ASH : I AM USING ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. THE BASIS OF WHICH ARE : IT USES GRAHA DRISIT (DESIRES) + UPACHAYA (GROWTH) + VIMSHOTTARI DASA STARTING FROM MOON SIGN (MIND). OVERALL STRENGTH OF PLANETS ARE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION USING ASPECTS (GRAHA DRISTI). GURU BY ITS INHERENT NATURE IS NOT A MALEFIC PLANET. IT CONTRIBUTES A WHOOPING 56 BINDUS COMPARED TO SHANI AND MARS THAT CONTRIBUTE ONLY 39 BINDUS. WHEN GURU DISTRIBUTES THESE POINTS IT SUPPORTS A LOT OF PLANETS, USING AV TO VIEW THIS, IT MEANS THAT GURU WOULD DISTRIBUTE 56 BINDUS OVER 12 HOUSES. ITS ALSO VERY RARE TO FIND GURU HAVING < 4 POINTS IN A CHART, IF IT DOES THEN SOME OTHER HOUSE WILL GET THOSE POITNS AND WILL BECOME POWERFUL DUE TO GURU. GURU BY ITS RASI DRISTI WILL NOT CAUSE MALEFIC RASI DRISTI, BUT GRAHA DRISTI IS DIFFERENT. FOR THAT THE BEST ANALOGY I CAN GIVE IS THAT THE SIGN OF DEBILITATION IS OPPOSITE TO THOSE OF EXALTATION OF PLANETS. ALL PLANETS HAVE 7TH GRAHA DRISTI, SO IF A PLANET IS PLACED IN ITS EXALTATION POSITION THE IT WILL SEND ITS MALEFICANCE TO THE HOUSE IT ASPECTS. SHANI THOUGH IT MAY BE POWERFUL FOR A CHART IT DOES NOT LOOSE ITS INHERENT NATURE TO CAUSE DELAY IF IT FINDS OPPORTUNITY. NOW LOOK AT YOUR CHART, SHANI TRANSITTED OVER A HOUSE WITH 0 BINDUS. HAS SHANI FAILED TO SHOW ITS MALEFICANCE ? DO NOT MIX GRAHA DRISTI WITH RASI DRISTI. ONE IS DESIRE AND THE OTHER IS ENVIRONMENT. ONE MORE CLARIFICATION, I DO USE RASI DRISTI, BUT NOT WITH ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM. > > ALSO, 3L/6L IN 8H IS A VRY. > > > Now JHL is using Parasara's schme of BAV and not Varharamira, but for > > your case it is points from Lagna is same 32/26, From sun it is 31/32 > > and from Moon it is 30/27 points respectively. There is difference > > between Parasaras scheme and Varahamihira's scheme. > > I MISSED THIS POINT. > > > These indicate that you will eventually be able to repay the debts. > > If the points in the 12th were to be greater than 11th then the > > person will be in debt forever. > > CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THE TIMING & SOURCES FOR REPAYMENT?? ASH : 11TH HOUSE IS STRONGER THAN 12TH HOUSE SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPAY YOUR DEBTS. WHEN, I DO NOT KNOW FOR NOW NEITHER DO I KNOW HOW AND THE SOURCE OF REPAYMENT. I HAVE NOT REACHED THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE. I AM JUST A STUDENT. MAYBE IN TIME I SHALL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. BUT IF YOU STUDY CLOSESLY THAT THE NEXT HOUSE THAT SHANI I MOVING TO WILL BE THAT OF 9 TO WHICH SHANI CONTRIBUTES 2 POINTS THE ONE AFTER IS AGIAN 2 POINTS THE ONE AFTER IS 3 POINTS THE ONE AFTER IS 3, THEN 4 ETC... THIS SHOWS THAT MORE AND MORE HELP WILL BE GOTTEN TO OPPOSE SHANI AS PASSING OF EVERY 2.5 YEARS. THAT IS THE BEST I CAN SAY FOR NOW. THE REST AS AND WHEN I LEARN AND GET A DEEPER UNDERSTANDING. > > > Now checking the points in the artha sthan. 31, 30, 23, 32. These > > points are strong except 8th house which would reduce the effects of > > 8th house. In some ways its good eg for longetivity, but not too > > good for inheretances etc. > > > > Guru is afflicting Venus, Sun and Shani (in the navamsa of Guru) and > > Ketu is in Guru's nakshatra. > > AM I MISSING SOMETHING - FOR SHANI IS IN OWN NAVAMSA, AQUARIUS. ASH : I AM USING KRUSHNA'S ANANYAMSA AND AM GETTING SHANI IN NAVAMSA OF GURU. THAT SHOULD ANSWER YOUR QUESTION REGARDING DISCRAPANCY IN NAVAMSA. ON THE SAME BASIS I AM GETTING YOUR D10 TO BE CAPRICORN. I HAVE NOT RECTIFIED YOUR BIRTH TIME AND HAVE TAKEN THE BIRTH TIME GIVEN BY YOU. (I HAVE NOT REACHED THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE ENOUGH TO RECTIFY A CHART). PS : I AM ANSWERING THE QUERY FROM A PC THAT I DO NOT HAVE YOUR CHART OF SOFTWARE ON, HENCE I AM GOING BY MY MEMORY OF YOUR CHART. > > > The over all significance of all these will be reduced. > > > > Now considering points, Mercury has good points for all houses.Guru > > is also strong (AV strength considering all aspects) is strong for > > all houses except 8th and 12th. Guru will not harm lagna, 6th house, > > 9th house and 10th house. So Guru will reduced effects for houses > > 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 11th and 12th houses. > > I CAN NOT FOLLOW YOUR REASONING HERE - FIRST, HOW DOES IT REDUCE THE EFFECTS, AS YOU MENTIONED IN THE LAST LINE. ASH : HERE I HAVE COMPUTED THE TOTAL ASHTAKAVARGA STRENGTH (BASED ON DRISTIS, + BASIC STRENGTH ETC). NOW GURU IS STRONG AND IS THE LORD OF 6TH HOUSE. A STRONG 6TH LORD WHICH IS STRONG FOR ALL HOUSES WILL REDUCED THE EFFECTS OF THOSE HOUSES EXCEPT FOR WHICH IT IS THE LORD OF 10TH FROM THAT HOUSE OR 6TH FROM IT. BASICALLY UPACHAYA, AS UPACHAYA HOUSES ARE HOUSES OF GROWTH. > > SECONDLY, SINCE YOU DO NOT CONSIDER RASI DRISHTI, GURU IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH 5H, 7H & 11H - SO HOW DOES IT INFLUENCE THEM ASH : RASI DRISTI SHOWS THE ENVIRONMENT, AND GRAHA DRISTI SHOWS DESIRES. NOW ONE CAN APPROACH A QUESTION FROM BOTH ANGLES BASED ON AN ENTIRE SYSTEM AND ITS PHILOSOPHY. PLUS THERE IS ALWAYS SCOPE FOR RESEARCH BUT IN ORDER FOR ME TO REACH THAT LEVEL IT PROBABLY WILL TAKE ME A LIFETIME. GURU WILL NOT HAVE MALEFIC RASI DRISTI. BUT GURU CAN HAVE MALEFIC GRAHA DRISTI. FOR EG. IN AV SYSTEM IF GURU IS IN A HOUSE WITH 6 BINDUS THEN FOR COMPUTING OVERALL STRENGTH IT WILL ASPECT 5TH,7TH AND 9TH WITH -6 BINDUS. GURU WILL DELIVER FAVOURABLE RESULTS IN THE HOUSE IT IS POSTED IN BECAUSE IT IS DELIVERING 6 BINDUS TO THAT HOUSE BUT IT WILL REDUCED THE EFFECTS BY GRAHA DRISTI OF THE HOUSE IT IS HAVING IT GRAHA ON. MAKING A LONG STORY SHORT IT IS A SYSTEM AND A PART AND PARCEL OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY, WHICH I ALSO FEEL GOT LOST SOMEWHERE DURING TIME AS IN ORDER TO COMPUTE THE OVERALL POINTS AND THE STRENGTH WITHOUT COMPUTERS AND SOPHISTICATED PROGRAM WOULD MAKE IT VERY TIME CONSUMING FOR ASTROLOGERS TO CAST A CHART AND VERY ERROR PRONE. NOW WITH COMPUTERS IT CAN GIVE THESE THING IN A FLASH. IN ANYCASE 33% IS IN OUR HANDS (UPACHAYA) AND 66% IS FATE OR DESTINED. THIS HAS BEEN ADVISED BY GURUDEV SANJAY. THIS AV SYSTEM AS I HAVE EXPLAINED HAS A PHILOSOPHY. THERE IS SCOPE FOR RESEARCH BUT FIRST THINGS FIRST I HAVE TO LEARN THIS PROPERLY. > > > As per this email, you have said that you have some court issues. > > This again is related to 6th house matters. > > I DID NOT ACTUALLY SAY THAT THERE ARE COURT CASES - I WAS ONLY QOUTING FROM MY NADI READING. HOWEVER, I AM IN THE PROCESS OF INITIATING SOME LEGAL PROCEEDINGS TO RECOVER OUR DUES, WHICH WILL RESULT IN COURT CASES. ASH : OK THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION, BUT YES COURT CASES IF U INITIATE THEM OR THE NADI SAYS THEY ARE 6TH HOUSE MATTERS. > > > If you also notice closely, Shani is giving 0 points to 8th house. > > In general sense, planet giving 0 points meaning not supporting > > causes deficiency in matters related to that house. In your case its > > 8th house and planet not supporting it is Shani. Now Shani rules 4th > > and 5th house. So matters regarding those house will not support > > it. This could indicate that there could be issues regarding > > property, taxes no support from mother children etc generally matters > > relating to 4th and 5th house. Could you please confirm this. > > WHAT MATTERS DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH 8H, OTHER THAN LONGEVITY, SUDDEN GAINS, INHERITENCE ETC., - SINCE YOU TAKE DEBTS/ BORROWINGS FROM 6H. ASH : I AM FOLLOWING VEDIC ASTROLOGY. SO WHAT YOU GIVE FOR 8TH HOUSE IS GONNA BE THE SAME FOR WHAT I GIVE. VEDIC ASTROLOGY IS SO VAST AND ONE USES DIFFERENT YARD STICK AND METHODS AND TECHNIQUES AND IN THEORY NO MATTER HOW U CHOOSE TO RESOLVE THE CHART WITH WHATEVER METHODS YOU SHOULD COME TO THE SAME ANSWER. > > REG. 4H & 5H MATTERS, IT IS CORRECT - RELATIONS WITH MOTHER ARE VERY COLD & CHILDREN ARE STILL STUDYING. > > BUT THEN THESE TWO HOUSES ALSO INDICATE LEARNING & , HERE I FEEL MATTERS ARE DIFFERENT. SINCE I AM IN I.T. SERVICES BUSINESS, I AM ABLE TO SUSTAIN MYSELF MAINLY ON THE STRENGTH ON MY EDUCATION/ LEARNING. > > AND ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN SOME LOSSES DUE TO ERRORS OF EMPLOYEES, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN EXTREMELY UNDERSTANDING & SUPPORTIVE. [ FROM WHICH HOUSE DO YOU SEE SUBORDINATES - 5H OR 6H??] ASH : IF LORDS OF KENDRAS AND LAKSMI ARE TOGETHER BASICALLY RAJ YOGS + WITH POWERFUL 10TH HOUSE (SAV), 6TH HOUSE (SOCIAL STATUS, JOB) THEN ONE WILL BE IN A POSITION OF POWER OR LEADER OR MANAGER ETC AND THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT HE WOULD HAVE PEOPLE REPORTING TO HIM. > > > This would be rampant especially when Shani travels over this house. > > In your case 6th house is Taurus. Shani will have full hand to cause > > havoc there as there is no support from it. > > IS THERE SOME TYPO ABOVE << 6H IS TA >> - DO YOU MEAN 8H?? ASH : THANKS FOR POINTING OUT THE TYPO. > > > I would say wait for Shani to move into Gemini. So things should to > > start looking up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n your chart Shani's natal position is 17 deg 05 mins so shani when > > its was transitting around that point in Taurus things would have > > started to peak. i.e. around July 15th 2001. > > I WOULD SAY AROUND THIS TIME I STARTED DISMANTELING THE FOOL- HARDY PROJECT THAT I HAD LAUNCHED - OR SHALL WE SAY THAT I REALISED THAT I WAS BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE BY THE SO-CALLED EXPERTS/ CONSULTANTS! > > > > All this has compounded as Guru afflicts Shani (Shani is in Guru's Navamsa). > CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS - AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, IN D9 SHANI IS IN AQ. ASH : ANSWERED ABOVE, DIFFERENT ANANYAMSA. > > > So making a long story atleast the effcts of shanis transit over your > > 8th house with Shani giving 0 points would get over. Wait for Shani > > to move into Gemini. > > > > After Shani moves into Gemini, you will get support from Venus and > > Moon i.e. houses 11th, 9th and 2nd. > > I NEED YOUR EXPLANATION HERE TOO - HOW DID YOU SELECT THESE HOUSES, AS THEY ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH EITHER VENUS OR MOON, NOR IS SATURN HAVING HIGH POINTS IN THESE HOUSES. ASH : I SELECTED THESE HOUSES AS THESE HOUSE IN YOUR CHART ARE RULED EITHER MY MOON AND VENUS. I APPOLOGISE FOR MY MISTAKE. IT SHOULD BE HOUSES THAT MOON AND VENUS OWN. I.E. 1ST, 8TH AND 10TH. SAILESH, THERE ARE CHAPTERS, VERSES FROM THE OLD TEXTS THAT ARE MISSING OR HAVE BEEN CORRUPTED OVER PASSAGE OF TIME. THIS SYSTEM IS QUITE UNIQUE AND WAS SOMEWHERE LOST IN TIME AS THE COMPUTATONS AND THE EFFORT THAT ONE HAD TO SPEND TO COMPUTE MANUALLY WAS VERY TIME CONSUMING FOR NOT ONLY RASI, BUT FOR ALL DIV CHARTS. THIS METHOD WAS ALSO ADVISED TO BE KEPT AS SECRET AND NOT TO BE REVEALED. I HAVE KEPT AN OPEN MIND TO LEARN AND I AM FINDING TRUTH TO IT. ALSO A NOTE ON THE ANANYAMSA. THIS ANANYAMSA THAT KRUSHNAJI HAS BROUGHT FORWARD WAS PASSED ON FROM HIS GURUS, AND HIS GURUS GURU, AND ALSO A PANCHANG. ITS BECAUSE KRUSHNAJI HAS BROUGHT FORWARD THIS ANANYAMSA ITS CALLED KRUSHNA'S ANANYAMSA. ANANYAMSA IS A RIDDLE, AND LOTS OF RESEARCH NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS FIELD. I KEEP AN OPEN MIND. IN TIME AND WITH KNOWLEDGE I SHALL STUMBLE ACROSS FACTS AND THINGS THAT WORK AND THINGS THAT DO NOT WORK. GURUDEV SANJAY IN HIS ANALYSIS OF TAGORE HAS COMPARED ANANYAMSAS, AND IN THE FINAL COMMENTS HE AS MENTIONED THAT THE ANANYAMSA OR TRUE ANANYAMSA LIES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN LAHIRI AND RAMANS. THIS ANANYAMSA DOES LIE BETWEEN LAHIRI AND RAMANS. SO I AM USING IT AND I HAVE GOTTEN A GOOD LEVEL OF SUCCESS. SOME THINGS ARE DIFFERENT AND LOOK UPON DIFFERENTLY, I TRY TO FIND THE TRUTH IN IT. IT IS TIME CONSUMING BUT I DO NOT CLOSE MY MIND TO ANYTHING. IN THAT WAY I CAN LEARN. ONE MORE NOTE. I DO NOT MIX SYSTEMS AND EACH SYSTEM HAS ITS OWN PHILOSOPHY. SO WHEN I USE TOOLS THAT JAIMINI HAS THAT IS TAUGHT I DO USE THE TEACHINGS OF PARASARA'S OR UPADESA SUTRAS, BUT THAT IS A SYSTEM AND EACH SYSTEM HAS ITS TOOLS. SO WHEN I USE ASHTAKAVARGA SYSTEM, I USE ITS TOOLS AND TECHNIQUES. IT IS GOOD WHEN I CAN COMPARE RESULTS USING 2 DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. THANKING YOU, CHEERS !!! ASH > > > Due to lack of time, I shall stop here. > > > > Thank you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Ash, > > > > > > Sorry for the delay in responding - I have been very pre- > occupied > > with more mundane things, like business & cash-flows, of late. > > > > > > My chart is attached (SCC.jhd has Jullundur co-ordinates as per > > ASTRODIENST ONLINE, and SCC(2).jhd is as per mapsofindia.com) > > > > > > Based on JHL 4.1, the answers to your queries are: > > > > > > 1. 11H vs 12H SAV: Lagna 32/26, Moon 31/26, Sun 31/33 - inflow > > wins. > > > > > > 2. 6H has moderate points in my chart - 26. That, again, does > not > > indicate high debts. > > > > > > So, what is the indicator for these debts?? > > > > > > And if some one can, please do tell me how does one time the > debts - > > when will they arise, when will they be extinguished & when they > > will be troublesome. > > > > > > My debts started in about 1983-84, became troublesome in late > 80's. > > They were manageable till about 2 yrs ago - then they shpt-up > > astronomically & now they are awe-some. > > > > > > As per my Agastya Nadi reading, these debts, as also the legal > > troubles, should disappear over next 3 years - & I desperately > want > > to believe that. > > > > > > Since 1984, I have been running SA dasa (Lagna Vimsottari), > > corresponding to PI/SC, AR, TA & now GE Narayana Dasa. TA dasa, > being > > 8th house, is understandable but the earlier periods?? > > > > > > Any advice/ guidance on above queries will be most welcome. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shailesh > > > - > > > ashsam73 > > > varahamihira > > > Monday, June 03, 2002 9:49 AM > > > Re: [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > > > > Dear Sailesh, > > > > > > Could you send me your chart in jhl format please. I would > like > > to > > > study this point about debt. > > > > > > I do not know your chart, though I would like you to check the > > > following points for debt. > > > > > > General indication of debt could be seen as follows. > > > > > > 1) Check points of 11 vs 12 house from Lagna, Moon and Sun. > If > > 12th > > > is more than 11th house in 2 of the 3 places ie. from lagna, > sun > > and > > > moon then its a sign of more expenditure than income, > indirectly > > > showing debt. > > > > > > 2) Check for the AV bindus in the 6th house. If the Bindus > are > > > 28 > > > then one will have good service, but it would also show in > tandem > > > with point 1 heavy debt. > > > > > > Try to use the Varharamira's scheme of points distribution in > > Bhina > > > Ashtakavarga. > > > > > > Could you confirm these for me please, it will help me in my > > studies. > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varahamihira, " Shailesh " <scchadha@h...> wrote: > > > > Respected Gurus & friends, > > > > > > > > As one who is immersed in debts from head to toe- nails, I > too > > would > > > like to understand this. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Shailesh > > > > > > > > - > > > > chandan_astro > > > > varahamihira > > > > Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:56 AM > > > > [Hare Rama Krishna] Debt--6th or 8th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus and friend, > > > > I am very confused on which house stands for debt, 6th or > 8th. > > > > I have seen several Jotish books including B. V. Ramans-- > says > > 6th > > > > house stand for debt but here in this group debt is seen > from > > 8th > > > > house, recently I was reading BHPS translated by Girish > Chand > > > Sharma > > > > and came across this issue again. His version of BHPS also > > says > > > 6th > > > > house stand for debt not 8th. > > > > Can you clarify on this issue and if you still think 8th > > house > > > stand > > > > for debt then where this theory came from or what is the > > logic > > > behind > > > > this thinking? > > > > Thank you > > > > Chandan Das > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM TAT SAT > > > > Archive: varahamihira > > > > Files: varahamihira > > > > varahamihira/database > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2002 Report Share Posted June 8, 2002 Dear Ash, Thanks a lot for your patient explanations. I wish I could devote more time to learning different systems. Best wishes Shailesh - ashsam73 varahamihira Friday, June 07, 2002 10:41 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] Re: Debt--6th or 8th house? Dear Sailesh,Here are my comments in caps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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