Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 sanjayrath (01:40:43 PM): Today we are going to talk about the use of the Dasa P shail_c (01:40:43 PM): Great naaraayana_iyer (01:40:47 PM): no Dasha Pravesha sanjayrath (01:40:50 PM): h Chakra sanjayprabhakaran (01:40:51 PM): ok sanjayrath (01:41:07 PM): DPC is drawn for the moment a dasa begins naaraayana_iyer (01:41:11 PM): ok sanjayrath (01:41:45 PM): and as usual we are left with many questions and problems like what happens if the time is slihtly wrong or if the ayanamsa is not right sanjayprabhakaran (01:42:05 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (01:42:09 PM): go on sanjayrath (01:42:38 PM): then we are having many dillemas to handle..the vexed ayanamsa issue will never allow the use of DPC for Vinsottari and Udu dasa or KCD naaraayana_iyer (01:43:02 PM): ..how abt Narayana Dasa(thats what we want to know ) sanjayrath (01:43:24 PM): Thus, at the present state of development of Jyotish, the only relevance is for Rasi dasa which have a fixed annual span and are not dependant on the slight birth time errors or ayanamsa very much naaraayana_iyer (01:43:33 PM): cooll sanjayrath (01:44:02 PM): The point is that DPC is NOT ONLY for Narayana dasa and that is what I want you understand sanjayprabhakaran (01:44:12 PM): ok naaraayana_iyer (01:44:27 PM): sure I understand sanjayrath (01:44:30 PM): It is a peculiar dasa system by itself..think calmly about this statement naaraayana_iyer (01:44:34 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (01:45:20 PM): u mean the DPC is a dasa system by itself? sanjayrath (01:45:28 PM): What are we doing ..we construct a chart for the begining of a dasa and predict all that will happen using it..sometime, we also don't ned the maindasa antar periods or sub-sub or smaller periods naaraayana_iyer (01:45:39 PM): hmmm sanjayrath (01:45:48 PM): Yes Sanjay..it is a peculiar thing, sanjayrath (01:46:15 PM): See the way I have used the DPC chart in so many cases sanjayrath (01:46:36 PM): Now just go back to the begining and make the DPC for the first dasa??? sanjayrath (01:46:42 PM): What chart is this? naaraayana_iyer (01:46:54 PM): the birth chart itself sanjayprabhakaran (01:47:01 PM): yes naaraayana_iyer (01:47:01 PM): natal chart sanjayrath (01:47:30 PM): Now what happens when we draw another chart for the solar or lunar entry after a year? sanjayrath (01:48:18 PM): Let us take a situation where the first dasa is for one year, then the next DPC is either for the Tajaka chart or TP Chart sanjayprabhakaran (01:49:08 PM): ok sanjayrath (01:49:13 PM): So, the DPC is nothing but a Tajaka chart when we talk of Narayana Dasa naaraayana_iyer (01:49:19 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (01:49:33 PM): thx sanjayrath (01:49:41 PM): Now my question: Can we use Tajaka rules for the DPC? in_joy_i_scream (01:50:20 PM): hello`? sanjayrath (01:50:29 PM): go on give it a try in_joy_i_scream (01:50:56 PM): ok! sanjayprabhakaran (01:50:56 PM): ithasala yoga etc u mean? sanjayrath (01:51:22 PM): whats happening..Visti sit down..stay in the room!!X-( sanjayrath (01:51:51 PM): Yes sanjay..Itthasala, Easarpa and all those Kuhoo etc yoga..can we use them? in_joy_i_scream (01:52:03 PM): ok no more people invite me naaraayana_iyer (01:52:06 PM): I guess so in_joy_i_scream (01:52:36 PM): sorry for the interruption pls continue naaraayana_iyer (01:52:48 PM): All the analysis on tajik chart shd be applicable here too sanjayrath (01:53:10 PM): Narayan are you sure? sanjayrath (01:53:27 PM): Sailesh what is your logic shail_c (01:54:06 PM): I would agree with Narayan, especially since DPC chart is used for short-term prediction sanjayrath (01:54:21 PM): You see you all must learn to think about the principle behind a rule or a tool naaraayana_iyer (01:54:32 PM): As you said ... this is nothing but Tajaka chart ...then all yogas etc in Tajaka charts shd also be aplicable here sanjayrath (01:54:34 PM): Now what happens if the Narayana dasa is for 12 years? sanjayrath (01:55:15 PM): This is where I have a serious doubt about the authenticity of the Tajit system as being Jyotish itself naaraayana_iyer (01:55:23 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (01:55:33 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (01:55:33 PM): How about Muntha? shail_c (01:55:41 PM): Will you please elaborate?? sanjayrath (01:55:52 PM): Thats the point..Muntha is a key, but then this can also be done sanjayrath (01:57:05 PM): The Tajit system was introduced by Neelakantha..the Yavana school to which Varahamihira was squarely opposed. His point was we should not mix things in such a way that we can use anyhting to explain anything sanjayrath (01:57:28 PM): The change in calander is one such major problem in India naaraayana_iyer (01:57:38 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (01:57:41 PM): suklanta vs ananta naaraayana_iyer (01:57:46 PM): amant sanjayrath (01:57:51 PM): India used to be a Full Mon calendar..anyone who studies the months names will realise this sanjayrath (01:58:12 PM): But see today everywhere ignorance rules the roost naaraayana_iyer (01:58:17 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (01:58:29 PM): hmm...who started it (if i can ask) in_joy_i_scream (01:58:38 PM): the moguls sanjayprabhakaran (01:58:55 PM): ok sanjayrath (01:59:01 PM): the DPC which is so clearly stated in all standard texts used to be purely Vedic system usinf traditional Jyotish tools sanjayrath (01:59:32 PM): It was so obvious that no authority felt it worth the trouble to specifically mention its importance in making annual predictions in_joy_i_scream (01:59:38 PM): sanjay wrote about this difference in a old jyotish digest about calendars. naaraayana_iyer (01:59:47 PM): yes I remember in_joy_i_scream (02:00:02 PM): sorry, not digest but jyotish news sanjayprabhakaran (02:00:17 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:01:00 PM): Now the point it that what we call a DPC is nothing but an annual chart called Surya Pravesh or the Sun's return naaraayana_iyer (02:01:12 PM): ok naaraayana_iyer (02:01:26 PM): yes Sun;s longitude is the same .. has to be sanjayrath (02:01:37 PM): This is used with the Sudarshana chakra where each dasa is for one year (see how Muntha comes) naaraayana_iyer (02:01:47 PM): oh ok in_joy_i_scream (02:01:48 PM): in_joy_i_scream (02:02:06 PM): narayan, thats what i used to write about on the lists with narasimha. sanjayrath (02:02:13 PM): Thus what people call as Tajit is nothing new or different, except for those Yogas sanjayrath (02:02:32 PM): Which are very strange in their nomenclature etc sanjayprabhakaran (02:02:38 PM): yes naaraayana_iyer (02:02:38 PM): indeed sanjayrath (02:03:49 PM): If we could identify the years which are the turning points of life, then there would be no need to draw 120 SPCs to make life predictions in_joy_i_scream (02:04:02 PM): sanjayrath (02:04:07 PM): For this purpose we use DASA sanjayrath (02:04:23 PM): The turning points of life occur when the DASA changes naaraayana_iyer (02:04:31 PM): hmmm ... ok sanjayrath (02:05:11 PM): Now, SPC's have relevance only with NARAYANA CHARA and other such CRUCIAL dasa sanjayprabhakaran (02:05:50 PM): like shoola dasa etc also? sanjayrath (02:06:30 PM): Thus, the anual Solar return chart which was a VERY PAINFUL SYSTEM (imagine calculating 120 charts for a life time with 16 divisions and all that!!) was done away with and the DPC came into the picture naaraayana_iyer (02:06:44 PM): wonderful sanjayrath (02:06:47 PM): Yes Sanjay..BIG YES naaraayana_iyer (02:06:59 PM): oh ok Shoola Dasa too ..wow sanjayprabhakaran (02:07:03 PM): OK in_joy_i_scream (02:07:15 PM): but which dasa's aren't crucial? in_joy_i_scream (02:07:23 PM): dasa-systems? sanjayrath (02:07:44 PM): The point with the DPC was that when you used it with a particular dasa, some divisions became more relevant and all D charts were not necessary sanjayprabhakaran (02:07:46 PM): nasarigika dasa maybe naaraayana_iyer (02:07:58 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:08:01 PM): That is Brilliant Sanjay in_joy_i_scream (02:08:08 PM): makes sense naaraayana_iyer (02:08:13 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:08:16 PM): Naisargika dasa is the best with DPC sanjayprabhakaran (02:08:35 PM): hmm sanjayrath (02:08:49 PM): Here the DPC becomes very prominent as the dasa is similar for all and the difference is seen ONLY from DPC in_joy_i_scream (02:08:59 PM): Guruji, but then which dasa-systems aren't crucial? sanjayrath (02:09:41 PM): The Sun rules Rasi's and all Rasi Dasa generally need the DPC, except Udu dasa in_joy_i_scream (02:09:59 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:10:04 PM): Here by DPC I mean SPC for the Dasa naaraayana_iyer (02:10:14 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (02:10:40 PM): and that can only happen with Rasi-Dasa's offcourse in_joy_i_scream (02:11:02 PM): except Su-Dasa probably sanjayrath (02:11:18 PM): If you are using DPC with Shoola dasa, then what are you looking for? Buying a house, car No, it is health and death etc..so then only use those divisions sanjayprabhakaran (02:11:18 PM): even KCD is nakshtra based sanjayrath (02:11:35 PM): KCD is udu dasa naaraayana_iyer (02:11:56 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:12:03 PM): Su dasa is also Moon based naaraayana_iyer (02:12:27 PM): yes in_joy_i_scream (02:12:33 PM): how about graha Dasa? Kendradi Dasa? sanjayrath (02:12:47 PM): Now when you draw a DPC, Look for the PANCHANGA sanjayrath (02:13:08 PM): Yse Visti agreed naaraayana_iyer (02:13:14 PM): Tithi, Karana, Yoga, Nak & Vaar karenskoler (02:13:28 PM): If I may ask: does this mean that the SPC chakra dasa is valid only for one year ,to see what major change occurs, and not the full legnth of the Naryana dasa sanjayrath (02:14:22 PM): Karen, SPC means the annual solar return, hence it can only be for one year, when we use the same for the entire dasa period we call it DPC karenskoler (02:14:50 PM): ok, thank you guruji shail_c (02:14:56 PM): If I get it right, basically both are same sanjayrath (02:15:12 PM): The chart is the same, but we use only few selected SPC charts based on turning points in life karenskoler (02:15:22 PM): ok shail_c (02:15:40 PM): I remember a mail on the lists where, for DPC, it was advised that MOONS DEGREES SHOULD BE SAME AS THAT IN NATAL CHART sanjayrath (02:15:47 PM): Vaara..what is tis implication? sanjayrath (02:16:03 PM): What have you learnt in TPC charts sanjayprabhakaran (02:16:19 PM): Hora and Weekday lord sanjayprabhakaran (02:16:22 PM): are inportant in_joy_i_scream (02:16:40 PM): i have learnt that the Vara acts like Atmakaraka.. personal experience, I have Venus Hora running naaraayana_iyer (02:16:41 PM): The lordship of Weekday is very imp and its functional nature shd be considered naaraayana_iyer (02:16:54 PM): wrt to Natal lagna in_joy_i_scream (02:17:03 PM): sorry hora not vara sanjayprabhakaran (02:17:14 PM): Weekday lordship of Natal chart and hora lord lordhip of TPC in_joy_i_scream (02:17:18 PM): my mistake sanjayrath (02:17:42 PM): Sailesh..delete such mails without wasting much time..Visti is clear now shail_c (02:17:58 PM): OK Gurudev sanjayrath (02:18:34 PM): We have already shown how the Birth chart is being considered as a DPC for the first dasa naaraayana_iyer (02:18:39 PM): yes sanjayprabhakaran (02:19:55 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:20:01 PM): Now, the Vaara Lord of the DPC plays a crucial role like the governor of the Body..it is your strength sanjayrath (02:20:19 PM): Why? anybody sanjayprabhakaran (02:20:49 PM): vara ruled by mars naaraayana_iyer (02:21:19 PM): the sun represents the soul and birth is nothing but for it to experience(Maha-Anubhavi) sanjayprabhakaran (02:21:19 PM): mars rules strenght sanjayrath (02:21:25 PM): SANJAY!!!=; Blessings for showing such brilliance..that mantra is working sanjayprabhakaran (02:21:37 PM): hare rama krishna naaraayana_iyer (02:21:56 PM): oh we are talking abt Vaara .. Sorry sanjayrath (02:21:59 PM): Mars rules the period of a week sanjayrath (02:22:32 PM): Now, if the Vara Lord is weak and afflicted, generally the health will be bad sanjayrath (02:22:44 PM): Low energy sanjayrath (02:23:03 PM): Next question: Lagna..any comments naaraayana_iyer (02:23:04 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (02:23:58 PM): the dhi is focussed on its primary being? sanjayrath (02:24:14 PM): What happens if the Lagna is in a dusthana from natal lagna? sanjayrath (02:24:26 PM): TPC??? sanjayprabhakaran (02:24:30 PM): bad year naaraayana_iyer (02:24:32 PM): thats not good ... naaraayana_iyer (02:24:42 PM): and indicates obstacles etc sanjayrath (02:24:49 PM): Right again Sanjay & Narayan in_joy_i_scream (02:25:05 PM): but what is the reason for these obstacles etc? sanjayrath (02:26:06 PM): When we say that the Lagna is in a DUSTHANA, we mean houses 6, 8 & 12 only for which the KAARAKA is SATURN. That is why they are dusthana, and saturn causes obstacles naaraayana_iyer (02:26:34 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (02:26:38 PM): ok gurudev, but if the Vara is very evil and the lagna is in kendra, what do we infer instead? naaraayana_iyer (02:26:59 PM): health problems but in general going will be smooth shail_c (02:27:20 PM): Gurudeva, 8 & 12 yes, but 6 .. isn't it Mars sanjayrath (02:27:20 PM): Health is bad, but the general well beig like fortune etc is there. fame is not hampered, reputation intact etc in_joy_i_scream (02:27:39 PM): Ok Narayan, so again i Ask, is the lagna the focus of the dhi during that dasa, and hence the reason for the events to come? naaraayana_iyer (02:27:43 PM): Sat & Mars=Karaka for 6H ... sanjayrath (02:27:52 PM): Sailesh Mars is for 3 & 6, so 6 has 2 karaka saturn & Mars shail_c (02:27:52 PM): OK naaraayana_iyer (02:27:54 PM): So Saturn is included in all Dusthanas shail_c (02:28:06 PM): Thanks you sanjayrath (02:29:05 PM): The Lagna is the Bhava which has got the Gayatri..the Dhi and this can be a good or bad place for the Dhi to fous during the period of the dasa in_joy_i_scream (02:29:26 PM): ok thx. please continue sanjayrath (02:29:55 PM): Narayan, another name for Saturn is DusTa, hence the name Dusthaana naaraayana_iyer (02:30:08 PM): oh wonderful Gurudeva sanjayprabhakaran (02:30:18 PM): wow sanjayrath (02:31:18 PM): Now, coming back to the Lagna, the Lagna becomes the area where the intelligence gets focused and this is to be seen w.r.t. natal chart only naaraayana_iyer (02:31:33 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (02:31:35 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:31:58 PM): The link between the two and continuity is established..see the link carefully as this will give many clues to events that will happen sanjayrath (02:32:14 PM): Now come to the Tithi..comments? in_joy_i_scream (02:32:57 PM): sheesh.. how to phrase it sanjayrath (02:33:09 PM): go on sanjayprabhakaran (02:33:22 PM): the tithi lord will be same as the birth tithi so in TPC it will not change sanjayrath (02:33:43 PM): Here we are talking of DPC not TPC sanjayprabhakaran (02:33:55 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:33:56 PM): In DPC oit will change in_joy_i_scream (02:34:27 PM): It shows the elements which will pay an important role during the Dasa, i.e. Dasami tithi (10+moon) would indicate that fame and name is an important aspect during this time, and troubles as well as blessings can follow, depending on the lord of the tithi? sanjayrath (02:34:35 PM): Which planet rules Paksha and what element does that planet rule? sanjayprabhakaran (02:34:45 PM): venus? in_joy_i_scream (02:34:53 PM): Sun / Moon? sanjayrath (02:35:08 PM): Sanjay is again right sanjayrath (02:35:16 PM): go on sanjayrath (02:35:26 PM): Venus rules which Tatwa sanjayprabhakaran (02:35:27 PM): water naaraayana_iyer (02:35:45 PM): Saturn-Akasha naaraayana_iyer (02:35:54 PM): Merc-Prithvi in_joy_i_scream (02:35:54 PM): jala sanjayprabhakaran (02:36:03 PM): venus-jala naaraayana_iyer (02:36:04 PM): Mars-agni naaraayana_iyer (02:36:17 PM): Jup-Ether naaraayana_iyer (02:36:25 PM): Sorry Saturn-Vayu naaraayana_iyer (02:36:29 PM): Jupiter-Akasha sanjayrath (02:36:30 PM): Like fire of Mars gives strength what will the water give?..Narayan..we are talking of Tithis and tithis are based on Paksha, and Paksha is a period of 15 days ruled by Venus in_joy_i_scream (02:36:52 PM): oh yeah.. <smack> in_joy_i_scream (02:37:04 PM): indicates sustenance naaraayana_iyer (02:37:09 PM): Venus will give sustainance sanjayprabhakaran (02:37:11 PM): water gives sustenance?...like moon is also waters sanjayrath (02:37:33 PM): Sanjay is again right...what a day.. sanjayrath (02:37:52 PM): Stick to the tatwa..Tatwa is vital sanjayrath (02:38:25 PM): Now, if the Lord of the Tithi is ill placed, afflicted etc, what happens? in_joy_i_scream (02:39:04 PM): person isn't able to fulfill desires? naaraayana_iyer (02:39:11 PM): no sustainace ... yogas etc wont be able to sustain ... hopes will be dashed etc naaraayana_iyer (02:39:21 PM): nothing will materialize sanjayrath (02:39:33 PM): Obviously there is a lot of mental tension, low mental strength..Moon is mana of kaala purusha, besides low sexual activty etc depending on age etc naaraayana_iyer (02:39:34 PM): fructification is hampered naaraayana_iyer (02:39:43 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (02:39:53 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:40:28 PM): No Narayan..this is only related to the Mana..he may be enjoying Rajyoga i the physical plane, but the mental plane is very disturbed like a king fighting a battle naaraayana_iyer (02:40:37 PM): gotcha sanjayprabhakaran (02:40:54 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:41:24 PM): Now come to the Moon position in sign..comments sanjayrath (02:41:43 PM): sailesh..u there? in_joy_i_scream (02:41:51 PM): wait, the tithi lord will indicate which area of life this lack of strength comes from? shail_c (02:41:56 PM): Yes.. learning from great minds naaraayana_iyer (02:42:40 PM): Moons signs .. happiness etc sanjayrath (02:42:55 PM): Body weakness need not mean mental tensions..The president of a nation has too many mental tension, but his health maybe superb in_joy_i_scream (02:43:25 PM): ok, will the lord of the tithi indicate the area of his mental tensions? sanjayrath (02:43:46 PM): Narayan..What happens if the Moon is in a Kendra/trikona from DPC Lagna? naaraayana_iyer (02:44:12 PM): Moons-Signs - Finance, Prosperity etc too sanjayprabhakaran (02:44:33 PM): mind will be in phase with dhi shakti in_joy_i_scream (02:44:52 PM): mana and dhi are different. sanjayrath (02:44:58 PM): Yes this is a positive indication that the native has his mind in tune with the affairs of the world.. sanjayrath (02:45:55 PM): What happens if the Moon is in kendra/Trikona from the planet or sign whose dasa is about to begin, and is yet is a bad place from DPC Lagna? sanjayrath (02:46:36 PM): OK..so you have not read jataka Parijatha nor have you read my books..especially the new one in_joy_i_scream (02:46:46 PM): the person does something they usually wouldn't like todo, to achieve happiness? naaraayana_iyer (02:46:51 PM): Fortune and Prosperity with lot of efforts and obstacles in_joy_i_scream (02:47:00 PM): who are u referring to gurudev? sanjayrath (02:47:19 PM): all present shail_c (02:47:46 PM): I admit guilty sanjayrath (02:47:47 PM): the answers are there.. sanjayrath (02:48:07 PM): thanks sailesh..but do read it shail_c (02:48:18 PM): Yes,,, I will sanjayrath (02:48:46 PM): Now you see Moon indicates the tides of the world affairs..remember shakespeare.. sanjayrath (02:49:21 PM): There is a tide in the affairs of men which taken on the ebb leads to fortune and missed and the whole journey of life is a waste naaraayana_iyer (02:49:40 PM): ok sanjayrath (02:50:18 PM): Now when we Study the Kaala chakra carefully, we see that the Moon is in the North direction sanjayrath (02:50:39 PM): do you remember this? sanjayprabhakaran (02:50:42 PM): yes in_joy_i_scream (02:50:43 PM): yes sanjayrath (02:50:53 PM): The 8 petal lotus..Sarbani naaraayana_iyer (02:50:56 PM): yes sanjayrath (02:51:00 PM): having dinner sarbani3062002 (02:51:23 PM): yes what about the ahtadala padma? sarbani3062002 (02:51:37 PM): *ashtadala sanjayrath (02:52:03 PM): Now this direction is also lorded by Kubera the God of wealth..sarbani..finish the grub and then join naaraayana_iyer (02:52:13 PM): sarbani3062002 (02:52:20 PM): I have finished ages back... sanjayprabhakaran (02:52:33 PM): u must be hungryagain then naaraayana_iyer (02:52:45 PM): ahh nad hence it shows finance and prosperity or the lack thereof!!! sanjayrath (02:52:55 PM): OK sanjayprabhakaran (02:52:57 PM): oh! in_joy_i_scream (02:53:05 PM): hmm.. sanjayrath (02:53:15 PM): You guys can be such tubelights naaraayana_iyer (02:53:21 PM): no wonder ... mine is chandra-ashtama in my DPC ( naaraayana_iyer (02:53:22 PM): cool naaraayana_iyer (02:53:28 PM): it is showing up ) naaraayana_iyer (02:53:50 PM): wonderful ... please go on sarbani3062002 (02:53:57 PM): yes moon in north rules the 2nd and 10th tithis... sanjayrath (02:54:00 PM): Now you see the importance of Kaala chakra and astadala padma in_joy_i_scream (02:54:04 PM): in this mannor we use the rest of the kalachakra? naaraayana_iyer (02:54:05 PM): yes in_joy_i_scream (02:54:20 PM): only for DPC? sanjayrath (02:54:38 PM): and the Kubera is the lord of this direction, and Kubera rules wealth AND..one more point..anyb sanjayrath (02:54:53 PM): Visti..this is BASICS sarbani3062002 (02:55:03 PM): kubera rules trade? sanjayrath (02:55:39 PM): OK..wealth comes with trade and all HUMAN activity..thats the point..what is KUBERA's Vehicle? shail_c (02:56:06 PM): Pushpak?? in_joy_i_scream (02:56:14 PM): a dog sanjayrath (02:56:19 PM): Whats that?? sanjayrath (02:56:27 PM): Visti..Yama goes bare foot naaraayana_iyer (02:56:44 PM): Is it Elephant??? sanjayrath (02:57:01 PM): Unlike human beings, Goids don't borrow vehicles naaraayana_iyer (02:57:03 PM): or is it Pushpak Vimaan sanjayprabhakaran (02:57:11 PM): in_joy_i_scream (02:57:13 PM): it is the opposite planet in the kala chakra sanjayrath (02:57:19 PM): Narayan..don't give Indra's vehicle away sanjayprabhakaran (02:57:19 PM): ruled by jup sanjayrath (02:57:51 PM): Those are for Big gods sarbani3062002 (02:57:54 PM): it is related to mercury naaraayana_iyer (02:58:03 PM): oh boy ... is it Toyota!! in_joy_i_scream (02:58:04 PM): woops its lion sanjayrath (02:58:09 PM): No sarbani..that was intelligent in_joy_i_scream (02:58:14 PM): vehicle... hmm sanjayrath (02:58:30 PM): Lion is the mothers vehicle without it, how will she fight sarbani3062002 (02:59:28 PM): I can't bear the suspense... sanjayrath (02:59:33 PM): OK..IT IS HUMAN BEING..Sad..terrible to think that I am just another Vaahana..pathetic, but this is true for 99.999999% of human beings in this world. The Maharishi's were right naaraayana_iyer (03:00:04 PM): oh ... he rides as money drives us ... makes us slaves ... eh? sanjayprabhakaran (03:00:04 PM): hmm shail_c (03:00:19 PM): :-$ in_joy_i_scream (03:00:22 PM): desires makes us slaves in_joy_i_scream (03:00:40 PM): but whats the logic as per the Kalachakra? sanjayrath (03:01:06 PM): So, next time you have to worship a deity, ..leave this here sarbani3062002 (03:01:21 PM): I don't get this...what is the significance of kubera not having a vahana? sanjayprabhakaran (03:01:31 PM): he has...its us sanjayrath (03:01:34 PM): Visti the Kaalachakra is the imae you all will NEVER forget now..after all these years, I recall everything so easily naaraayana_iyer (03:01:36 PM): brb .. shail_c (03:01:39 PM): Leave " what " here??? sanjayrath (03:02:50 PM): Sarbani..WE are the vehicles..we are the ones tied to Kubera's cart... sarbani3062002 (03:03:02 PM): ok...got you... sanjayrath (03:03:10 PM): Rather, he does not prefer a cart and likes to sit on the head sarbani3062002 (03:03:22 PM): sanjayprabhakaran (03:03:37 PM): in_joy_i_scream (03:03:48 PM): i think i'm not getting all the messages sarbani3062002 (03:03:54 PM): He rides on our desires and our 'moha' for wealth? in_joy_i_scream (03:04:07 PM): will figure out later sanjayrath (03:04:29 PM): Sailesh..not getting into mantra etc here..back to DPC..Now tell me about the Moon and its influence on Lagna of DPC and dasa rasi or dasa graha..right sarbani) in_joy_i_scream (03:05:09 PM): so is tithi irrelevant for animals? sanjayrath (03:05:30 PM): Visti sanjayrath (03:05:35 PM): we are animals in_joy_i_scream (03:05:54 PM): ok.. is tithi irrelevant for those without manas? sanjayrath (03:06:05 PM): A better species though..much endangered sanjayrath (03:06:32 PM): My brothers dog can blw birthday candles..he has a mana in_joy_i_scream (03:06:43 PM): but Kubera doesn't ride his dog? sanjayrath (03:06:54 PM): ) sanjayrath (03:07:18 PM): OK..back to basics again.. shail_c (03:07:23 PM): Do we consider argala relationship also for assessing, say Moon's relationship with Lagna, Dasa rashi/ planet, etc sanjayrath (03:07:30 PM): Which planet represents DOG sanjayprabhakaran (03:07:36 PM): saturn sanjayrath (03:07:56 PM): Thats not a sweet dog..use kalachakra..Swana in_joy_i_scream (03:08:03 PM): it does whatever we say and eats whatever we give.. just like mercury being influenced by any planet in_joy_i_scream (03:08:12 PM): mans best friend, and best student sanjayprabhakaran (03:08:16 PM): mercury naaraayana_iyer (03:08:45 PM): Mercury yes sanjayrath (03:08:51 PM): So, Mercury plays a crucial role in a dogs chart..di d you know that?? naaraayana_iyer (03:09:16 PM): and just like a nice student .. it can be trained very well too!!! sanjayrath (03:09:42 PM): Do you know a dog can smell very well and smell is Prithvi tatwa, and this is ruled by Mercury.... naaraayana_iyer (03:09:47 PM): it is almost like a perfect student ... loving obeying his master/guru! sanjayprabhakaran (03:09:59 PM): yes sanjayprabhakaran (03:10:06 PM): hmmm..(u said saturn is not a sweet dog?) in_joy_i_scream (03:10:10 PM): Which deva is in the south-west? sarbani3062002 (03:10:20 PM): somehow dogs and mercury make an unlikely pair...are you sure its mercury? sanjayrath (03:10:57 PM): I am..no lets get back please..tell me I am dying to know about the results in_joy_i_scream (03:11:53 PM): ok Moon vs Dasa Rasi/graha sanjayrath (03:12:17 PM): OK Sanjay..when the dog bites you it is saturn when he bites your enemy he is mercury..leave it here and proceed sanjayprabhakaran (03:12:32 PM): in_joy_i_scream (03:13:10 PM): hmm naaraayana_iyer (03:13:35 PM): oh boy I am not recving some lines karenskoler (03:14:05 PM): me neither... is not connecting all of us sanjayrath (03:14:22 PM): The Moon in K/T to Dasa/graha is very good for the dasa/graha and this shows that the dasa shall be beneficial, however, the native may not benefit as much if the same moon is not well placed in DPC naaraayana_iyer (03:14:46 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (03:15:00 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (03:15:04 PM): ok shail_c (03:15:09 PM): that means only 6, 8, 12?? sanjayrath (03:15:28 PM): Narayan..tomorrow go to our server and see if we can have our own chat room out there naaraayana_iyer (03:15:34 PM): okie sanjayrath (03:15:59 PM): Sailesh good..3,6,8,12..some add 11 also but I do not agree shail_c (03:16:13 PM): OK sanjayprabhakaran (03:16:30 PM): can this be seen in TPC also? sanjayrath (03:16:40 PM): now move to the dasa rasi/graha itself the most crucial..comments sanjayrath (03:17:01 PM): Sanjay TPC Tithi?? Moon yes sanjayprabhakaran (03:17:34 PM): ok sanjayrath (03:17:59 PM): dasasrayo dwaram..anybody sanjayprabhakaran (03:18:24 PM): it is the door? naaraayana_iyer (03:18:26 PM): Moon in trines shows prosperity and happiness sanjayprabhakaran (03:18:58 PM): door from where the results of dasa will come from ? sanjayrath (03:19:00 PM): Narayan..we have left Luna, and are now orbiting another plaeet naaraayana_iyer (03:19:10 PM): oh ok shail_c (03:19:12 PM): Dasa rules the Door?? sanjayrath (03:19:19 PM): Where is the door? Sanjay be clear sanjayprabhakaran (03:19:32 PM): door is where the dasa rasi /planet is sanjayrath (03:19:44 PM): good sanjayrath (03:19:57 PM): Tathasthavitham Bahyam.. sanjayprabhakaran (03:20:11 PM): 7th is exit sanjayrath (03:20:11 PM): go on naaraayana_iyer (03:20:24 PM): astha=setting sanjayrath (03:20:29 PM): Why are you talking about exit..see the shloka sarbani3062002 (03:20:48 PM): what is situated outside it? sarbani3062002 (03:20:58 PM): or rather in it? in_joy_i_scream (03:21:01 PM): the Bahya is the rasi placed as many rasis from the dwara as the dwara is from lagna sanjayrath (03:21:22 PM): Visti..Good Vitamin V is back sanjayprabhakaran (03:21:43 PM): in_joy_i_scream (03:21:44 PM): the paka is the lord of the Dwara and the Bhoga is the arudha in_joy_i_scream (03:21:52 PM): these are BASICS in_joy_i_scream (03:22:00 PM): sanjayrath (03:22:12 PM): V sanjayrath (03:22:26 PM): Big Vitamin V for Visti.. sanjayrath (03:23:00 PM): OK now give me the results..I am atypical businessman and don't likea ll this..want resuts sanjayrath (03:23:14 PM): Whats going to happen in_joy_i_scream (03:23:29 PM): You would like to see the fruits of all your business.. hence Bhoga sanjayrath (03:24:25 PM): In fact what Visti has written is the best possible point and the various other rules have been given in my book on Narayan dasa, you can get them there.. in_joy_i_scream (03:24:36 PM): they are also in MJUS sanjayrath (03:24:50 PM): Next..the Astakavarga in_joy_i_scream (03:25:29 PM): Do we take the natal bhoga and analyse? in_joy_i_scream (03:25:44 PM): i.e. natal bhoga in ref to DP-Moon and DP-Lagna in_joy_i_scream (03:27:33 PM): hello? shail_c (03:27:48 PM): all quite?? sanjayprabhakaran (03:27:51 PM): the house with max ashtakavarga will be important sanjayrath (03:27:52 PM): One announcement..I HAVE SPENT 2 HOURS ONLINE AND now want you guys to get hold of some donations for SJC (E) i.e. for the Hyderabad conference. Narayan will be the temporary tresurer. Narayan give me your paypal e-mail and I wlll have a button on the web. Simple drops like $25 to $50 will make the ocean big and the conference will come through..please help the good cause of SJC naaraayana_iyer (03:28:18 PM): okie sanjayprabhakaran (03:28:28 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (03:28:33 PM): sure thing shail_c (03:28:44 PM): I am grateful sanjayrath (03:28:59 PM): I hope everyone helps in getting the mission..I have a lot of faith sanjayprabhakaran (03:29:07 PM): yes sanjayprabhakaran (03:29:12 PM): we will naaraayana_iyer (03:29:29 PM): Sure ... we willl and the Conference will go smoothly sanjayrath (03:29:37 PM): Now the AV..what matters is the Dasa Rasi or the dasa graha sanjayrath (03:30:30 PM): We have two Astakavarga actually..one of the natal chart and another of the DPC.. sanjayprabhakaran (03:30:39 PM): yes in_joy_i_scream (03:30:48 PM): using Dasa Rasi/graha as lagna in DP? naaraayana_iyer (03:31:02 PM): yes shail_c (03:31:02 PM): Dasa graha = Dasa Rasi lords??? sanjayrath (03:31:14 PM): The natal AV should be used to see the overall strength etc of planets as if this was a transit chart in_joy_i_scream (03:31:24 PM): Shailesh, incase we use Pravesh charts for graha dasas instead of rasi shail_c (03:31:32 PM): OK sanjayprabhakaran (03:31:38 PM): dasa graha in case of Vimshottari etc and DAsa rasi in case of Narayanadasa in_joy_i_scream (03:31:53 PM): Lord of Dasa Rasi is called; Dasa Paka sanjayrath (03:32:10 PM): Good, you all know this in_joy_i_scream (03:32:19 PM): Gurudev, remind me to ask a simple remedy before you go offline sanjayrath (03:32:21 PM): Now what about the DPC AV? in_joy_i_scream (03:32:40 PM): From Dasa rasi/Graha? sanjayrath (03:32:46 PM): Visti remind me to remind you naaraayana_iyer (03:32:52 PM): ) sarbani3062002 (03:33:00 PM): ) in_joy_i_scream (03:33:03 PM): oh you will be reminded all right lol in_joy_i_scream (03:33:06 PM): ) naaraayana_iyer (03:33:16 PM): The DPC AV ... is def. important sanjayrath (03:33:26 PM): right.. naaraayana_iyer (03:33:33 PM): and shows which houses shall recv focus just like TPC! sanjayrath (03:33:38 PM): so what do we see from DPC AV? karenskoler (03:33:42 PM): sorry stepped away.. will definitely make a contribution to a good cause Thank you Guruji for your time and your teaching. in_joy_i_scream (03:33:54 PM): As the AV revolves around the dasa rasi/graha, it should be calculated from that point as lagna? sanjayrath (03:34:44 PM): No..thats crazy we can't bend rules like that..KN rao could be around naaraayana_iyer (03:34:57 PM): hmmmm in_joy_i_scream (03:35:01 PM): in_joy_i_scream (03:35:34 PM): maybe that would force him to prove us wrong? sanjayrath (03:35:49 PM): The real point is to see the dots in the Dasa sign sanjayrath (03:36:08 PM): Which planets contribute and how much sav sanjayprabhakaran (03:36:19 PM): what would be dasa sign or rasi in case of titi pravesh char in_joy_i_scream (03:36:44 PM): thats out of context SP. sanjayrath (03:36:51 PM): TPC is like SPC..where is the dasa? sanjayprabhakaran (03:37:07 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (03:37:16 PM): what would be the diff between natal AV and DP -AV? in_joy_i_scream (03:37:32 PM): ahhh! shail_c (03:37:41 PM): Or- significance of the diif? sanjayrath (03:37:46 PM): go on..I heard you in_joy_i_scream (03:37:47 PM): DP-AV is temporary, and only felt during the Dasa. sanjayrath (03:38:25 PM): You see visti...you got Vitamin V in_joy_i_scream (03:38:53 PM): its because you sparked aries in the 3rd from AL sanjayrath (03:39:36 PM): OK after AV, now we come to trend of dasa..general period from DPC sanjayrath (03:40:15 PM): You did not answer the question of sailesh in_joy_i_scream (03:40:50 PM): ok, we see 2nd and 4th for early parts of the dasa sanjayrath (03:41:27 PM): am I connected? naaraayana_iyer (03:41:34 PM): yes u are sarbani3062002 (03:41:35 PM): yes sanjayprabhakaran (03:41:36 PM): yes naaraayana_iyer (03:41:46 PM): everybody;s waiting sanjayrath (03:42:06 PM): If the AV score reduces in a bhava, it becomes weaker and if it increases, it becomes stronger sanjayrath (03:42:22 PM): Thats enough its 1:10 AM now.. naaraayana_iyer (03:42:24 PM): you mean wrt to the natal sanjayrath (03:42:31 PM): yes sanjayprabhakaran (03:42:31 PM): ok naaraayana_iyer (03:42:34 PM): ok in_joy_i_scream (03:42:38 PM): bindu means seed so it means with regard to activity? shail_c (03:42:44 PM): indicating Dasa results compared to overall jataka results?? sanjayrath (03:42:50 PM): =; sanjayrath (03:42:54 PM): yes naaraayana_iyer (03:42:56 PM): hopefully ... we can take a case study next time naaraayana_iyer (03:42:58 PM): Thanks sanjayprabhakaran (03:43:02 PM): thank u guruji <o-< sarbani3062002 (03:43:12 PM): =; shail_c (03:43:17 PM): Thanks & Goodnight to all naaraayana_iyer (03:43:21 PM): =; naaraayana_iyer (03:43:31 PM): anybody here who was connected all times karenskoler (03:43:31 PM): thank you guruji. good night to you and all shail_c (03:43:34 PM): If the chat continues, please mail the transcript sanjayrath (03:43:38 PM): I am answering Vistis remedy on ths side.. naaraayana_iyer (03:43:38 PM): please send me the transcripts sanjayrath (03:43:41 PM): good night naaraayana_iyer (03:43:44 PM): I had problems naaraayana_iyer (03:43:49 PM): Good Nte Gurudeva sanjayprabhakaran (03:43:50 PM): good night naaraayana_iyer (03:44:00 PM): Karean ... were you connected??? sarbani3062002 (03:44:08 PM): yes me too...I missed the beginning...goodnight... in_joy_i_scream (03:44:16 PM): if i remember correctly its; 4,2,8,10, 12, 6,5, 11, 7, 1, 3 for seeing dasa trend karenskoler (03:44:18 PM): I was connected but not all lines were coming thru sarbani3062002 (03:44:27 PM): Narayan, what is SPC? karenskoler (03:44:27 PM): I think I wasn't getting sailesh's lines naaraayana_iyer (03:44:29 PM): hmmm naaraayana_iyer (03:44:36 PM): Surya Pravesha Chakra naaraayana_iyer (03:44:48 PM): he did not contributre much ) naaraayana_iyer (03:44:57 PM): so please send me the transcripts sanjayprabhakaran (03:45:13 PM): s sanjayprabhakaran (03:45:22 PM): oops karenskoler (03:45:26 PM): I send you transcript? sure naaraayana_iyer (03:45:52 PM): bye all sarbani3062002 (03:46:01 PM): Visti, 4, 2, 8, 10, 12, 6, 5, 11, 1, 7, 9, 3 sanjayprabhakaran (03:46:02 PM): bye naaraayana_iyer (03:46:08 PM): whats that naaraayana_iyer (03:46:13 PM): 4.2.8 etc? in_joy_i_scream (03:46:18 PM): are u sure sarvani? sanjayprabhakaran (03:46:20 PM): yea whats that? sarbani3062002 (03:46:34 PM): yes...I checked with Sanjayji naaraayana_iyer (03:46:42 PM): oh the Raja Yoga thing sarbani3062002 (03:46:45 PM): I had made a mistake after 11 naaraayana_iyer (03:46:47 PM): fructification in_joy_i_scream (03:46:55 PM): it can be used to see dasa trend during the dasa pravesh naaraayana_iyer (03:47:05 PM): how? naaraayana_iyer (03:47:10 PM): where is it given??? sanjayprabhakaran (03:47:32 PM): the madooka gati or something as per the advanced lesson sarbani3062002 (03:47:35 PM): after 11 instead of 9, we go to 1, 7, 9, 3 instead of 11, 9, 7, 1, 3 sanjayprabhakaran (03:47:36 PM): in CA naryaana sarbani3062002 (03:47:47 PM): I mean 11, 1, 7, 9, 3 naaraayana_iyer (03:48:09 PM): but how do we use this in Narayana Dasa naaraayana_iyer (03:48:19 PM): I know we check the Raja yogas in natal chart naaraayana_iyer (03:48:24 PM): how abt DPC? sanjayprabhakaran (03:48:29 PM): the 1st 4 signs early fructification sanjayprabhakaran (03:48:34 PM): and 2nd 4 midlle sanjayprabhakaran (03:48:38 PM): last 4 lates naaraayana_iyer (03:48:47 PM): yes .. in natal chart ... i think it will be extended in DPC? sanjayprabhakaran (03:48:53 PM): hmm naaraayana_iyer (03:48:58 PM): is that what u mean? sanjayprabhakaran (03:49:00 PM): yes naaraayana_iyer (03:49:08 PM): ok thanks sarbani3062002 (03:49:08 PM): I didn't know we could...I too know them only as the fructification indicating life periods... naaraayana_iyer (03:49:16 PM): yep in_joy_i_scream (03:49:45 PM): Gurudev has used them before in an article sanjayprabhakaran (03:49:47 PM): maybe we can sanjayprabhakaran (03:49:50 PM): can see why not naaraayana_iyer (03:49:56 PM): indeed in_joy_i_scream (03:49:59 PM): specifically in the only dasapravesh he's given in article form naaraayana_iyer (03:50:13 PM): where is the dasa pravesha rticle??? naaraayana_iyer (03:50:18 PM): which issue in_joy_i_scream (03:50:46 PM): about a pakistani prince naaraayana_iyer (03:50:57 PM): which issue is this???? in_joy_i_scream (03:50:58 PM): check the book and sarbani3062002 (03:51:07 PM): actually I heard about Dp for the first time yesterday from narayan... in_joy_i_scream (03:51:08 PM): its not in JD sanjayprabhakaran (03:51:13 PM): ok sanjayprabhakaran (03:51:14 PM): brb naaraayana_iyer (03:51:15 PM): u mean Udu Dasa book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2002 Report Share Posted October 11, 2002 Namaste Sanjay, Thank you so much for the transcript of the DPC. I have a couple questions, may I send them to you? Thanks again, Phyllis - Sanjay Prabhakaran in_joy_i_scream ; varahamihira ; Narayan Iyer Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:42 PM [Hare Rama Krishna] IM-Conference on Dasa Pravesh Chart OM TAT SATArchive: varahamihiraFiles: varahamihiravarahamihira/database Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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