Guest guest Posted December 30, 2002 Report Share Posted December 30, 2002 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Gurudeva, In Graha Arudha Calculations if the Graha Arudha falls in itself or the 7th from itself should 10th from it be counted?. Like we do in Arudha for signs?. Thank you, Warm Regards, S. Prabhakaran > varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <srath@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > > ~om sri gurave namah~ > > Dear Ronnie, > > Comments are given below: > > Best regards, > > Sanjay Rath > > ---------------------- > > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, > New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org > <http://.org> http://srath.com <http://srath.com> > > > > > > > > RGDREYER@a... [RGDREYER@a...] > > Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:52 PM > > srath@s... > > some questions > > > > > > HI Sanjay > > > > Let me first say how sorry I am that I will not be at Hyderabad. > Because of > > my work and family obligations I have to plan out these trips > months and > > months in advance. Perhaps I will be able to come to the next one, > or at > > least write something as long as I have notification. > > > > I hope that you enjoy both the conference in Kerala and the one in > Hyderabad > > and I look forward to perhaps purchasing tapes. > > > > If you could take a minute today to answer some of these questions > I would > > most appreciate it. I am finding that so much of what I have > learned about > > Jaimini, beginning with K.N. Rao, and you, and my Hora Sastra > translation by > > Santhanam have some conflicts. I have virtually started fresh with > you and > > put aside some of the K.N. Rao teachings, but even in your books > there seem > > to be some contradictions, or maybe just editing mistakes. So if > you could > > take a minute for following questions: > > > > 1. Arudha Lagnas. In my version of Parasara, it does not seem to > mention > > finding the stronger of the Aquarius and Scorpio rulers. Must we > always look > > for the stronger, or can we simply take Saturn and Mars for those > signs and > > still come out with the correct pada lagna? Can we then take both > Saturn, > > and Rahu if Rahu is stronger? > > > > RATH: The stronger co-lord need not be taken all the time. The moot > point is that these are the signs where the contradictions or duality > of images occurs. If one of the co-lords is in the same sign, then > even if it is stronger, the other one is chosen, just like the rules > for determining the stronger for the dasa period. At times, although > one lord is strong, among the two Arudha formed by the two lords, one > maybe stronger with more planets than the other. In such cases we > find that the person starts his career (or whatever is signified by > the sign for example Upapada will indicate spouse) in one direction, > and then changes to another and finally all the planets influencing > have their say one after another. Arudha is the image and this is > changable. The change can be seen in the dasas. > > For example, take the Arudha of Vajpayeeji. > > The Arudha in Capricorn is one image whle the Arudha in Virgo is > another image. Lords of both the Arudha are in Lagna, and going by > standard rues you would choose Capricorn. But, this fitted his image > for many years when he was in the opposition (Sun in 12th from AL). > When he is to become the Prime Minister, the personality undergoes a > change and the Arudha in Virgo starts to function (Sun aspects AL in > Virgo). This change in personality upsets many people as some who > found a great friend in him are no longer comfortable. Mars the > creator of this image is in the Royal sign Aries (Aries is the Royal > sign of the zodiac - I don't know why people always use Leo as the > Royal sign. In fact the three Royal colors - white, Blue and Red are > associated with this sign..strange coincidence that the US flag > should use these colors). > > > > Please can you let me know since it does not seem that you always > take the > > stronger co-lord for a simple arudha computation. > > > > 2. In my Parasara translation, it DOES however speak about taking > the > > stronger of the planetary lords in order to do that. Therefore it > would seem > > to me that if I am taking the graha arudha of Saturn, then I would > have to > > see if Capricorn, or Aquarius is stronger? Or am I confused here, > since in > > your book when you have the diagram for graha arudhas, you are > taking both. > > You seem to take with Saturn, the number of houses it travels to > both > > Capricorn and Aquarius. With graha arudhas I assume that we always > count > > Rahu to Aquarius, and Ketu to Scorpio. Or is their no graha arudha > for Ketu? > > > > This seems to vary between yours and Narasimhas book i believe. > > > > Rath: My grandfather made Graha Arudha for both signs. For example, > if Saturn is in Sagittarius, he would take both the Graha Arudha of > Saturn in Aquarius (for Capricorn) and in Aries (for Aquarius) into > account. As with the Rasi Arudha, sometimes with the change in dasa, > the arudha temporarily changes, and the weaker one maybe referred. > However, for drawing the chart and for general readings, the stronger > sign should be used. I hope to photocopy the chart of my elder > brother as calculated by him in his handwriting so that you can see > what he considered a must to be drawn for every chart. In addition to > the Rasi & Graha Arudha Chakra, he would always draw the Nara chakra > based on the constellations. > > > > 3. Most important, finding out which co-lord of Aquarius and > Scorpio are > > stronger. I know that when we do this for the sake of Narayana > Dasa, we skip > > the first step which involves atmakaraka. However when just doing > this for > > the sake of interpretation, transits, etc., do we take that as > first step as > > outlined in your books. If that is so, then can I assume that in > my chart > > for instance when figuring out the arudha lagna of Aquarius, Saturn > is > > automatically the stronger since it is atmakaraka? But when we > figure > > narayana, i leave that step out? > > (my birth info: Ronnie Dreyer, May 7, 1953, 1:20 pm, EDT, > Brooklyn NY > > 40N38, 73W57) > > > > Rath: The first source of strength is to be used in all matters > that are generally of a spiritual nature as the soul or Atmakaraka is > being taken into consideration. Dasa like Karaka kendradi rasi or > graha dasa etc are important for this. Narayana dasa is based on the > theory that the atmakaraka is but a puppet in the hands of God > (Narayana), and among Brahma (Lagna) & Siva (7th house), the stronger > one is stronger because of the asociation of Narayana. > > > > 4. Lastly, jaimini raja yogas. Mr. Rao taught that there are > rajayogas if > > the Atmakaraka is in aspect to, or conjoined with, amatyakaraka, > putrakaraka, > > and pitrakaraka? Does that still hold with you, or is that not the > case. > > Also he uses seven karakas so it might be different. > > > > Rath: Rajyoga are associated with the Atmakaraka as it is the RAJA > and any association with the King of the chart is a Rajyoga. Amatya- > yogas are different. I have yet to start debating on this topic and > have sent another mail on this. Perhaps 2003/2004 should be a good > year to start talking on this. > > > > Whew....I hope you can take a moment for this and that I was > perfectly clear. > > I do realize that not mastering Sanskrit, and working with what is > probably > > not a great translation, has hindered my understanding of > Parasara. I am > > planning on going back to study Sanskrit again, in January. > > > > I look forward to your return from the conferences, to hear all > about them. > > > > I trust that you and your family is well, and I hope that progress > has been > > made with your son. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Ronnie > > > > Thanks for being such a good human being Ronnie. Your words have > always re-confirmed my faith that the best definition of God is " all > that is GOOD " . Looking forward to seeing you in the US, and I hope to > meet up with your husband and others this time in NY. > > > > I am copying this to the advanced Varahamihira List as well. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2002 Report Share Posted December 31, 2002 || Jaya Jagannatha || Dear Sanjay Prabhakaran, The premise is the same. The satya and arudha cannot be together. If they fall together, there is no doubt, we have to count to the 10th from it. Refer page 18 of Narayana Dasa book by Gurudev. Best Regards Sarajit > " sanjayprabhakaran <sprabhakaran " <sprabhakaran >varahamihira >varahamihira >[sJC: Varahamihira] Re: some questions (Corrected) >Mon, 30 Dec 2002 19:10:27 -0000 > >|| Om Gurave Namah || >Dear Gurudeva, >In Graha Arudha Calculations if the Graha Arudha falls in itself or >the 7th from itself should 10th from it be counted?. Like we do in >Arudha for >signs?. > > >Thank you, >Warm Regards, > S. Prabhakaran > > > varahamihira , " Sanjay Rath " <srath@s...> >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ~om sri gurave namah~ > > > Dear Ronnie, > > > Comments are given below: > > > Best regards, > > > Sanjay Rath > > > ---------------------- > > > Sri Jagannath Center, 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, > > New Delhi 110091, Tel: 91-11-2713201, Web: http://.org > > <http://.org> http://srath.com <http://srath.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > RGDREYER@a... [RGDREYER@a...] > > > Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:52 PM > > > srath@s... > > > some questions > > > > > > > > > HI Sanjay > > > > > > Let me first say how sorry I am that I will not be at Hyderabad. > > Because of > > > my work and family obligations I have to plan out these trips > > months and > > > months in advance. Perhaps I will be able to come to the next >one, > > or at > > > least write something as long as I have notification. > > > > > > I hope that you enjoy both the conference in Kerala and the one >in > > Hyderabad > > > and I look forward to perhaps purchasing tapes. > > > > > > If you could take a minute today to answer some of these >questions > > I would > > > most appreciate it. I am finding that so much of what I have > > learned about > > > Jaimini, beginning with K.N. Rao, and you, and my Hora Sastra > > translation by > > > Santhanam have some conflicts. I have virtually started fresh >with > > you and > > > put aside some of the K.N. Rao teachings, but even in your books > > there seem > > > to be some contradictions, or maybe just editing mistakes. So if > > you could > > > take a minute for following questions: > > > > > > 1. Arudha Lagnas. In my version of Parasara, it does not seem >to > > mention > > > finding the stronger of the Aquarius and Scorpio rulers. Must we > > always look > > > for the stronger, or can we simply take Saturn and Mars for those > > signs and > > > still come out with the correct pada lagna? Can we then take >both > > Saturn, > > > and Rahu if Rahu is stronger? > > > > > > RATH: The stronger co-lord need not be taken all the time. The >moot > > point is that these are the signs where the contradictions or >duality > > of images occurs. If one of the co-lords is in the same sign, then > > even if it is stronger, the other one is chosen, just like the >rules > > for determining the stronger for the dasa period. At times, >although > > one lord is strong, among the two Arudha formed by the two lords, >one > > maybe stronger with more planets than the other. In such cases we > > find that the person starts his career (or whatever is signified by > > the sign for example Upapada will indicate spouse) in one >direction, > > and then changes to another and finally all the planets influencing > > have their say one after another. Arudha is the image and this is > > changable. The change can be seen in the dasas. > > > For example, take the Arudha of Vajpayeeji. > > > The Arudha in Capricorn is one image whle the Arudha in Virgo is > > another image. Lords of both the Arudha are in Lagna, and going by > > standard rues you would choose Capricorn. But, this fitted his >image > > for many years when he was in the opposition (Sun in 12th from AL). > > When he is to become the Prime Minister, the personality undergoes >a > > change and the Arudha in Virgo starts to function (Sun aspects AL >in > > Virgo). This change in personality upsets many people as some who > > found a great friend in him are no longer comfortable. Mars the > > creator of this image is in the Royal sign Aries (Aries is the >Royal > > sign of the zodiac - I don't know why people always use Leo as the > > Royal sign. In fact the three Royal colors - white, Blue and Red >are > > associated with this sign..strange coincidence that the US flag > > should use these colors). > > > > > > Please can you let me know since it does not seem that you always > > take the > > > stronger co-lord for a simple arudha computation. > > > > > > 2. In my Parasara translation, it DOES however speak about >taking > > the > > > stronger of the planetary lords in order to do that. Therefore >it > > would seem > > > to me that if I am taking the graha arudha of Saturn, then I >would > > have to > > > see if Capricorn, or Aquarius is stronger? Or am I confused here, > > since in > > > your book when you have the diagram for graha arudhas, you are > > taking both. > > > You seem to take with Saturn, the number of houses it travels to > > both > > > Capricorn and Aquarius. With graha arudhas I assume that we >always > > count > > > Rahu to Aquarius, and Ketu to Scorpio. Or is their no graha >arudha > > for Ketu? > > > > > > This seems to vary between yours and Narasimhas book i believe. > > > > > > Rath: My grandfather made Graha Arudha for both signs. For >example, > > if Saturn is in Sagittarius, he would take both the Graha Arudha of > > Saturn in Aquarius (for Capricorn) and in Aries (for Aquarius) into > > account. As with the Rasi Arudha, sometimes with the change in >dasa, > > the arudha temporarily changes, and the weaker one maybe referred. > > However, for drawing the chart and for general readings, the >stronger > > sign should be used. I hope to photocopy the chart of my elder > > brother as calculated by him in his handwriting so that you can see > > what he considered a must to be drawn for every chart. In addition >to > > the Rasi & Graha Arudha Chakra, he would always draw the Nara >chakra > > based on the constellations. > > > > > > 3. Most important, finding out which co-lord of Aquarius and > > Scorpio are > > > stronger. I know that when we do this for the sake of Narayana > > Dasa, we skip > > > the first step which involves atmakaraka. However when just >doing > > this for > > > the sake of interpretation, transits, etc., do we take that as > > first step as > > > outlined in your books. If that is so, then can I assume that in > > my chart > > > for instance when figuring out the arudha lagna of Aquarius, >Saturn > > is > > > automatically the stronger since it is atmakaraka? But when we > > figure > > > narayana, i leave that step out? > > > (my birth info: Ronnie Dreyer, May 7, 1953, 1:20 pm, EDT, > > Brooklyn NY > > > 40N38, 73W57) > > > > > > Rath: The first source of strength is to be used in all matters > > that are generally of a spiritual nature as the soul or Atmakaraka >is > > being taken into consideration. Dasa like Karaka kendradi rasi or > > graha dasa etc are important for this. Narayana dasa is based on >the > > theory that the atmakaraka is but a puppet in the hands of God > > (Narayana), and among Brahma (Lagna) & Siva (7th house), the >stronger > > one is stronger because of the asociation of Narayana. > > > > > > 4. Lastly, jaimini raja yogas. Mr. Rao taught that there are > > rajayogas if > > > the Atmakaraka is in aspect to, or conjoined with, amatyakaraka, > > putrakaraka, > > > and pitrakaraka? Does that still hold with you, or is that not >the > > case. > > > Also he uses seven karakas so it might be different. > > > > > > Rath: Rajyoga are associated with the Atmakaraka as it is the >RAJA > > and any association with the King of the chart is a Rajyoga. Amatya- > > yogas are different. I have yet to start debating on this topic and > > have sent another mail on this. Perhaps 2003/2004 should be a good > > year to start talking on this. > > > > > > Whew....I hope you can take a moment for this and that I was > > perfectly clear. > > > I do realize that not mastering Sanskrit, and working with what >is > > probably > > > not a great translation, has hindered my understanding of > > Parasara. I am > > > planning on going back to study Sanskrit again, in January. > > > > > > I look forward to your return from the conferences, to hear all > > about them. > > > > > > I trust that you and your family is well, and I hope that >progress > > has been > > > made with your son. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > > > > Ronnie > > > > > > Thanks for being such a good human being Ronnie. Your words have > > always re-confirmed my faith that the best definition of God >is " all > > that is GOOD " . Looking forward to seeing you in the US, and I hope >to > > meet up with your husband and others this time in NY. > > > > > > I am copying this to the advanced Varahamihira List as well. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sanjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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