Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 || Jaya Jagannath || Dear Narasimha, I completely agree with what you say about the mantra OM NAMOBHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA, which puts the energy from the 3rd house to 12th house, that is the negative energies of 3rd house is used to attain mukti and Vishnu very well sits in the 9th house of Dharma guiding all of us to the said objective of Moksha though the path of Dharma. However, I disagree with you on the Mantra Namah Sivaya. This the Prasiddha Panchakshari and is known to give knowledge (siddhis) and Life. This is well borne out the fact that the Pancha Mukhi rudraksha (Rudra Raksha) is used for longevity. This is also known fact that, with the wish of Shiva all the apamrityu take a back seat. When we say that, we are talking of the 8th house of longevity or the house of Rudra (Who does our protection, and death comes when their anger fall on us). Hence your rejecting the 8th house by saying " Does it make sense to have Shiva in the 8th house for this important mantra? " is not correct. With this mantra we attain the Gnana (5th house) and free of fear from Apamrityu (5th is the pada of 3rd), with the blessings of Shiva, sitting in the house of Siddhi and Longevity, viz, the 8th house. Moreover, I have always learnt that the houses of Shiva are the 7th and the 8th. Warm Regards Sarajit Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr] 04 January 2003 03:51 vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: More-Mantra-Query Dear Sarbani, I do not agree with your counting. If you have a word called " visweswara " , you would treat it as one word even though it is made up of two words: viswa and iswara. There is a SANDHI (joining) and the two words become ONE WORD. It is the same with namassivaaya and namobhagavate. Namassivaaya is one word (BTW, it is not namo shivaya as you wrote). Namah is one word (ending in visarga) and Shivaaya is one word. If you say " namah shivaaya " without sandhi (with a small break separating the two words), it is two words. If you make sandhi, it becomes one word (that is the definition of sandhi). So " namasshivaaya " is one single word. Though people say " Om Namassivaaya " also today, it has 6 letters. " Namassivaaya " is the original panchakshari (5-lettered) mantra. According to your counting, this original panchakshari mantra has source in 2nd house, fruits in the 5th house and devata in the 8th house. Does it make sense to have Shiva in the 8th house for this important mantra? No. That counting would be correct for " namah shivaaya " . For " namasshivaayaa " (the original and correct mantra), source would be in lagna, fruits would be in 5th and devata (Shiva) would be in 9th. Similarly " namah " is one word and " bhagavate " is one word. If you say " namah bhagavate " , it is two words. But, if you do sandhi, it becomes one word " namobhagavate " . There is no way you can treat " namobhagavate " as two words. Just is visweswara is viswa+iswara, namobhagavate is namah+bhagavate. Breaking " namobhagavate " into two words as " namo bhagavate " is equivalent to breaking " visweswara " into two words as " viswe swara " . There is no difference. So " om namah bhagavate vaasudevaayaa " has 4 words and thus source in 4th, fruits in 12th and devata in 8th. However, the correct mantra " om namobhagavate vaasudevaaya " has only 3 words and thus source in 3rd, fruits in 12th and devata in 9th again. If we read this mantra, Vasudeva sits in the house of dharma and guides our initiative, determination and courage in the direction of giving. The grammar rules are very clear about two words becoming one word after sandhi. There is no abiguity at all. There is a lot of corruption in what people are taught in this Kali yuga, but the rules are straightforward and the answers are often quite obvious if you choose to think and apply the dhee (intelligence). The same thing applies to samasas. If the vibhakti pratyayam in one word is removed and it is combined with another word to make them one compound word, again counting should be done accordingly. Suppose you have " Om paramagurubrihaspataye namah " . It is only 3 words. The words parama, guru and brihaspati are combined into one word by samaasam. Interestingly, brihaspati is also made by sandhi (brihah + pati = brihaspati). However, you count brihaspati as one word. Now, all I am saying is that you should apply the same logic everywhere. Because you may have been taught otherwise, it may be a little difficult for you to accept this. But, I am sure that this is the correct counting. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Narasimha, > > I notice from the mail below that you have written Om Namo Bhagavate > Vasudevaya as 3 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 9th house. Should > it not be 4 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 8th house? The energy > is taken from the 4th house, the heart or the hridaya padma from whence we > pray, and directed to the 12th house of moksha. The 12th house is where > Vishnu sits and receives the worship that is being offered from the heart, > that is 4th house. It covers the moksha trikona, with the mantradevata > sitting in the 8th house. From here he removes all sins and purifies and > cleanses the heart. Similarly, Om Namo Shivaya is 3 words + 6 aksharas with > mantradevata sitting in 9th house, and not two words as you have written. > The energy given to the 6th house will remove the evils of shadripu and make > one like Shiva. This mantra is therefore for attaining Shiva-rupa. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 Dear Narasimha, Yes, you are right, I have been taught otherwise by Sanjayji in our mantra shastra classes, which we had daily for the entire period of devi paksha. We did discuss at length on Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya and how it takes the energy from the 4th house and is directed to the 12th house, for the attainment of moksha. I am familiar with sandhi and samas, having learnt Sanskrit and doubly because the Paninian grammar structure also underpins Bengali language, my mother tongue. In all texts and translations across the country, and across time, there are many mantras which are written with Namo in between. Even ancient prints have Namo written separately, let alone numerous texts from mantra maharnava to mantra mahodadhi, to the puranas and Vedas in their various incarnations and translations, write 'Namo' separately for many mantras, specially Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. It cannot be that every single version is wrong. Namo is used separately by Sankara in so many of his shlokas. In fact Om Namo Bhagavate is a prefix used in so many mantras. Namo does not necessitate sandhi, nor does namah. If you wish, you can create a sandhi, like Om Namashchandikayai...namah + chandikayai leading to the addition of 'sh' because of sandhi). Or keep it separate like Om Namah Shivaya (yes, that was a typo, I meant Namah and not Namo). Similarly, Om Namo Narayanaya and Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya. The Srimad Bhagavat Purana begins with the mantra Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, and of course later on reiterates it as a part of the Narayana Kavacha along with Om Namo Narayanaya and Om Vishnave Namah. The evidence shows heavily the separate writing of Namo and Bhagavate and Namah and Shivaya. Maybe, its incorrect or rapid pronunciation which might lead to this error in judgement in some that Namo Bhagavate or Namah Shivaya should be pronounced jointly. With best regards, Sarbani Narasimha P.V.R. Rao [pvr] Saturday, January 04, 2003 1:21 AM vedic astrology [vedic astrology] Re: More-Mantra-Query Dear Sarbani, I do not agree with your counting. If you have a word called " visweswara " , you would treat it as one word even though it is made up of two words: viswa and iswara. There is a SANDHI (joining) and the two words become ONE WORD. It is the same with namassivaaya and namobhagavate. Namassivaaya is one word (BTW, it is not namo shivaya as you wrote). Namah is one word (ending in visarga) and Shivaaya is one word. If you say " namah shivaaya " without sandhi (with a small break separating the two words), it is two words. If you make sandhi, it becomes one word (that is the definition of sandhi). So " namasshivaaya " is one single word. Though people say " Om Namassivaaya " also today, it has 6 letters. " Namassivaaya " is the original panchakshari (5-lettered) mantra. According to your counting, this original panchakshari mantra has source in 2nd house, fruits in the 5th house and devata in the 8th house. Does it make sense to have Shiva in the 8th house for this important mantra? No. That counting would be correct for " namah shivaaya " . For " namasshivaayaa " (the original and correct mantra), source would be in lagna, fruits would be in 5th and devata (Shiva) would be in 9th. Similarly " namah " is one word and " bhagavate " is one word. If you say " namah bhagavate " , it is two words. But, if you do sandhi, it becomes one word " namobhagavate " . There is no way you can treat " namobhagavate " as two words. Just is visweswara is viswa+iswara, namobhagavate is namah+bhagavate. Breaking " namobhagavate " into two words as " namo bhagavate " is equivalent to breaking " visweswara " into two words as " viswe swara " . There is no difference. So " om namah bhagavate vaasudevaayaa " has 4 words and thus source in 4th, fruits in 12th and devata in 8th. However, the correct mantra " om namobhagavate vaasudevaaya " has only 3 words and thus source in 3rd, fruits in 12th and devata in 9th again. If we read this mantra, Vasudeva sits in the house of dharma and guides our initiative, determination and courage in the direction of giving. The grammar rules are very clear about two words becoming one word after sandhi. There is no abiguity at all. There is a lot of corruption in what people are taught in this Kali yuga, but the rules are straightforward and the answers are often quite obvious if you choose to think and apply the dhee (intelligence). The same thing applies to samasas. If the vibhakti pratyayam in one word is removed and it is combined with another word to make them one compound word, again counting should be done accordingly. Suppose you have " Om paramagurubrihaspataye namah " . It is only 3 words. The words parama, guru and brihaspati are combined into one word by samaasam. Interestingly, brihaspati is also made by sandhi (brihah + pati = brihaspati). However, you count brihaspati as one word. Now, all I am saying is that you should apply the same logic everywhere. Because you may have been taught otherwise, it may be a little difficult for you to accept this. But, I am sure that this is the correct counting. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Narasimha, > > I notice from the mail below that you have written Om Namo Bhagavate > Vasudevaya as 3 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 9th house. Should > it not be 4 words + 12 aksharas with mantradevata in 8th house? The energy > is taken from the 4th house, the heart or the hridaya padma from whence we > pray, and directed to the 12th house of moksha. The 12th house is where > Vishnu sits and receives the worship that is being offered from the heart, > that is 4th house. It covers the moksha trikona, with the mantradevata > sitting in the 8th house. From here he removes all sins and purifies and > cleanses the heart. Similarly, Om Namo Shivaya is 3 words + 6 aksharas with > mantradevata sitting in 9th house, and not two words as you have written. > The energy given to the 6th house will remove the evils of shadripu and make > one like Shiva. This mantra is therefore for attaining Shiva-rupa. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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