Varahamihira] Speed of Planets :: One more comparison

[Guest guest]

Om Ramaya namaha,

Namaste,

Ramapriya, your points are well made. Our dicussions belcome

interesting becasue some times we vascillate between geocentric

and siderial.

 

This is where my dooubt has arisen from.... the sun's appearent

motion is from sign to sign, yet the sun only revolves areount its

axis and takes 25 earth days for one revolution ( at its equator).

So, its faster then the moon!!!( going around the earth) that would

change the calculations for the days of the week ( based upon speed).

So, the conversations come to " what are we measuring? "

It must be the time a Graha transits a rasi.

Then the speeds work out to be the following:( Rounded)

Time to transit Rasi Time Per rev around Sun

Sani 2.5 years 29.5 years

Jupiter 1 year 12.5 years

Mars 1.5 months 1.5 years

Sun 30 days 25 days (around axis)

Venus 30 days 224 days

Mercury 30 days 88 days

Moon 2.5 days 365 days

 

So, if you look above, why then is Sun postioned there... equi-

distant between the slowest and the fastest?

I am of the belief that it is because the Sun has pure satvic motion

not too fast, not too slow. It's at the Center of the Solar System

and at the center of our Being as the Natural AtmaKaraka e.g.

balanced; so if balance is to occur , it must be in the middle.

 

Pranams,

Frank

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Ramapriya D " <hubli@v...>

wrote:

> Visti, I thought of adding for those interested in the astronomy

of planets that the orbit speeds (around the sun, that is) of Venus

and Jupiter are surprisingly the same, with Mars 70% more, Mercury

169% more and Saturn 29% less than Venus and Jupiter. One thing

more... Saturn moves only about 22.5 times slower than the speed of

light, yet he's the astrological sloth

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

>

> -

> Visti Larsen

> varahamihira

> Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:47 PM

> [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira]

Re: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is

still present

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> -

-----------

>

> Yes Ramapriya, in regards to speeds then yes. But this isn't

relevant in the context of Horas, where we only use the 7 Sthira

Karaka.

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> -

> Ramapriya D

> varahamihira

> Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:13 PM

> [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is still

present

>

>

> And Rahu / Ketu somewhere between Shani and Guru... correct?

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

>

> -

> Visti Larsen

> varahamihira

> Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:12 PM

> [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is still present

>

>

> Hare Rama Krishna

>

> -

-------

>

> Yes Frank, Sun is slower than Venus and Mercury.

> Hence the order begining from the slowest is:

>

> Shani, Guru, Mangal, Aditya, Shukra, Buddha and Chandra.

>

> Best wishes

> Visti

> ---

> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zip

> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> -

> fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> varahamihira

> Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:52 AM

> [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of

Planets ::> Doubt is still present

>

>

> Namaste,

> Thanks for the note, yet the speed of the sun is still in

question.

> I will assume that we use the time the Sun takes to

transit 1 sign.

> If so this still makes it slower then Mercury and Venus,

> Yet it is postioned Sani,Jupiter, Mars, SUN, Venus,

Mercury, Moon.

> The logic is still eluding my common sense...

> any help here is appreciated.

>

> Pranams,

> Frank

>

>

>

> varahamihira , " Visti Larsen "

<vishnu@l...>

> wrote:

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > ------------------------

----------

> -------------

> >

> > Dear Frank,

> > Your signature is missing in the end of the document.

> > Being Jyotishas of this earth, we are more concerned

with the

> speed of planets revolution around Gaya, the Earth, not

the Sun.

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic-

> astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -

> > fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> > varahamihira

> > Monday, January 06, 2003 2:27 AM

> > [sJC: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets and

their use to

> order them

> >

> >

> > Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama,

> >

> > Namaste,

> > re: speed of planets and thier order.

> > I see Saturn ( slowest) to Moon ( fastest) as the

order, but

> > do not undersand how Sun is is positioned 4th ( either

slowest

> or

> > fastest).

> > When we measure fast or slow, it's the time taken for

a graha to

> > make one complete revolution ( 360 degree) around a

body.

> > Sani takes 29.5 years around the sun, yet we measure

Chandra

> taking

> > 27.3 days to complete a cycle aound the earth. NOt the

same

> metric,

> > Yet being geocentric this difference can be

rationlized.

> >

> > YET, Surya takes 25 (earth) days to complete one

revolution

> around

> > its axis, making it faster then the moon. We surely do

not want

> to

> > measure the time Surya ( and the solar system) takes

to go it's

> > center - in this case would be the galaxy, taking ~

250 million

> years

> > if my memory serves me correctly.

> >

> > So, how do we reconcile this? Could it be:

> > A. Since Surya has perfect satvic motion, it is

positioned in

> the

> > middle ( balanced; not fastest, not the slowest, just

right!)

> > in the order Sani,Jupiter, Mars, SUN, Venus, Mercury,

Moon.

> > B. Other ideas and knowledge on this? ________________?

> >

> > Please assist with this fundamental question that

helps

> comprehend

> > order, Hora, etc.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Frank,

 

Sorry, but once you've compared times per rev around the sun for other

planets, why haven't you put the time earth takes to complete one lap around

the sun in sun's second column?? We aren't comparing revs along planetary

axes here; if that were so, Moon should've stayed in only one rasi since

iirc, it doesn't spin. For sun, you must take one year in the second column

because that's the relative speed of motion of the sun around the earth.

Earth's year is a standard much like specific gravity being a ratio against

the (nearly) unsaid constant weight of water.

 

I'm not so sure astrological discussions vacillate between the geocentric

and sidereal. These become clear when you note retrogression in planets; not

for real but in relation to earth's own position between the sun and retro

planets.

 

Warm regards,

 

Ramapriya

hubli.

 

 

-

<frank_in_sandiego

<varahamihira >

Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:25 AM

[sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> One more

comparison

 

 

> Om Ramaya namaha,

> Namaste,

> Ramapriya, your points are well made. Our dicussions belcome

> interesting becasue some times we vascillate between geocentric

> and siderial.

>

> This is where my dooubt has arisen from.... the sun's appearent

> motion is from sign to sign, yet the sun only revolves areount its

> axis and takes 25 earth days for one revolution ( at its equator).

> So, its faster then the moon!!!( going around the earth) that would

> change the calculations for the days of the week ( based upon speed).

> So, the conversations come to " what are we measuring? "

> It must be the time a Graha transits a rasi.

> Then the speeds work out to be the following:( Rounded)

> Time to transit Rasi Time Per rev around Sun

> Sani 2.5 years 29.5 years

> Jupiter 1 year 12.5 years

> Mars 1.5 months 1.5 years

> Sun 30 days 25 days (around axis)

> Venus 30 days 224 days

> Mercury 30 days 88 days

> Moon 2.5 days 365 days

>

> So, if you look above, why then is Sun postioned there... equi-

> distant between the slowest and the fastest?

> I am of the belief that it is because the Sun has pure satvic motion

> not too fast, not too slow. It's at the Center of the Solar System

> and at the center of our Being as the Natural AtmaKaraka e.g.

> balanced; so if balance is to occur , it must be in the middle.

>

> Pranams,

> Frank

>

>

>

> varahamihira , " Ramapriya D " <hubli@v...>

> wrote:

> > Visti, I thought of adding for those interested in the astronomy

> of planets that the orbit speeds (around the sun, that is) of Venus

> and Jupiter are surprisingly the same, with Mars 70% more, Mercury

> 169% more and Saturn 29% less than Venus and Jupiter. One thing

> more... Saturn moves only about 22.5 times slower than the speed of

> light, yet he's the astrological sloth

> >

> > Warm regards,

> >

> > Ramapriya

> > hubli@v...

> >

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > varahamihira

> > Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:47 PM

> > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira]

> Re: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is

> still present

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > -

> -----------

> >

> > Yes Ramapriya, in regards to speeds then yes. But this isn't

> relevant in the context of Horas, where we only use the 7 Sthira

> Karaka.

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -

> > Ramapriya D

> > varahamihira

> > Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:13 PM

> > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

> Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is still

> present

> >

> >

> > And Rahu / Ketu somewhere between Shani and Guru... correct?

> >

> > Ramapriya

> > hubli@v...

> >

> > -

> > Visti Larsen

> > varahamihira

> > Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:12 PM

> > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

> Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is still present

> >

> >

> > Hare Rama Krishna

> >

> > -

> -------

> >

> > Yes Frank, Sun is slower than Venus and Mercury.

> > Hence the order begining from the slowest is:

> >

> > Shani, Guru, Mangal, Aditya, Shukra, Buddha and Chandra.

> >

> > Best wishes

> > Visti

> > ---

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -

> > fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> > varahamihira

> > Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:52 AM

> > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of

> Planets ::> Doubt is still present

> >

> >

> > Namaste,

> > Thanks for the note, yet the speed of the sun is still in

> question.

> > I will assume that we use the time the Sun takes to

> transit 1 sign.

> > If so this still makes it slower then Mercury and Venus,

> > Yet it is postioned Sani,Jupiter, Mars, SUN, Venus,

> Mercury, Moon.

> > The logic is still eluding my common sense...

> > any help here is appreciated.

> >

> > Pranams,

> > Frank

> >

> >

> >

> > varahamihira , " Visti Larsen "

> <vishnu@l...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > ------------------------

> ----------

> > -------------

> > >

> > > Dear Frank,

> > > Your signature is missing in the end of the document.

> > > Being Jyotishas of this earth, we are more concerned

> with the

> > speed of planets revolution around Gaya, the Earth, not

> the Sun.

> > > Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> vedic-

> > astrologybphs.zip

> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > -

> > > fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> > > varahamihira

> > > Monday, January 06, 2003 2:27 AM

> > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets and

> their use to

> > order them

> > >

> > >

> > > Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama,

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > > re: speed of planets and thier order.

> > > I see Saturn ( slowest) to Moon ( fastest) as the

> order, but

> > > do not undersand how Sun is is positioned 4th ( either

> slowest

> > or

> > > fastest).

> > > When we measure fast or slow, it's the time taken for

> a graha to

> > > make one complete revolution ( 360 degree) around a

> body.

> > > Sani takes 29.5 years around the sun, yet we measure

> Chandra

> > taking

> > > 27.3 days to complete a cycle aound the earth. NOt the

> same

> > metric,

> > > Yet being geocentric this difference can be

> rationlized.

> > >

> > > YET, Surya takes 25 (earth) days to complete one

> revolution

> > around

> > > its axis, making it faster then the moon. We surely do

> not want

> > to

> > > measure the time Surya ( and the solar system) takes

> to go it's

> > > center - in this case would be the galaxy, taking ~

> 250 million

> > years

> > > if my memory serves me correctly.

> > >

> > > So, how do we reconcile this? Could it be:

> > > A. Since Surya has perfect satvic motion, it is

> positioned in

> > the

> > > middle ( balanced; not fastest, not the slowest, just

> right!)

> > > in the order Sani,Jupiter, Mars, SUN, Venus, Mercury,

> Moon.

> > > B. Other ideas and knowledge on this? ________________?

> > >

> > > Please assist with this fundamental question that

> helps

> > comprehend

> > > order, Hora, etc.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Om Rum Rameshvaram Namaha

 

Namsaste Ramapriya,

Your points are well made...

The conversation becomes one of what we are measuring.

Jyotisha's have a discussion on " speed of the Grahas " , yet

we do not define what path, velocity, etc. we are measuring, that is:

1. From Rasi to Rasi?

2. Speed around the Sun?

3. From Nakshatra to Nakshatra?

4. Around the center of the galaxy? ( I am not being facetious here,

we have made roughly 60 trips around the center of the gaxaxy so far

and would suggest, this influences whay Yuga we are in)

 

So , my point is, are we talking relative to the earth were we live?

yes... but also, we as beings can think conceptually and allows us

to take a Heliocentric ( Sun as the center of our thinking) view.

Just as we view the D1 chart through the eyes of other varga charts.

So, the conversation of " speed " is one of viewpoint.

 

So if every thing is relative to the earth, we say the Sun takes 12

months for its path around the Zodiac, where in fact it is us taking

the trip. ( this answers one of your questions posed in your email).

 

The reason why I have compared the sun to a 25 day trip around itself

( which is a great conversation on spirituality and Ganeshas trip

circumnavigating around his Father Shiva, as his brother takes off

to go arund the universe, but we can leave this for a later time)

is , the converation of SPEED... we say that the sun moves

slower the Mars, Venus and the Moon. Yet Surya does not " move " at

all, unless we consider the trip around himself.

I will leave this here, and greeatly appreciate your input on this

matter.

Kind regards,

Pranams,

Frank

 

 

 

 

varahamihira , " Ramapriya D " <hubli@v...>

wrote:

> Hi Frank,

>

> Sorry, but once you've compared times per rev around the sun for

other

> planets, why haven't you put the time earth takes to complete one

lap around

> the sun in sun's second column?? We aren't comparing revs along

planetary

> axes here; if that were so, Moon should've stayed in only one rasi

since

> iirc, it doesn't spin. For sun, you must take one year in the

second column

> because that's the relative speed of motion of the sun around the

earth.

> Earth's year is a standard much like specific gravity being a

ratio against

> the (nearly) unsaid constant weight of water.

>

> I'm not so sure astrological discussions vacillate between the

geocentric

> and sidereal. These become clear when you note retrogression in

planets; not

> for real but in relation to earth's own position between the sun

and retro

> planets.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Ramapriya

> hubli@v...

>

>

> -

> <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> <varahamihira >

> Sunday, January 12, 2003 3:25 AM

> [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of

Planets ::> One more

> comparison

>

>

> > Om Ramaya namaha,

> > Namaste,

> > Ramapriya, your points are well made. Our dicussions belcome

> > interesting becasue some times we vascillate between geocentric

> > and siderial.

> >

> > This is where my dooubt has arisen from.... the sun's appearent

> > motion is from sign to sign, yet the sun only revolves areount

its

> > axis and takes 25 earth days for one revolution ( at its

equator).

> > So, its faster then the moon!!!( going around the earth) that

would

> > change the calculations for the days of the week ( based upon

speed).

> > So, the conversations come to " what are we measuring? "

> > It must be the time a Graha transits a rasi.

> > Then the speeds work out to be the following:( Rounded)

> > Time to transit Rasi Time Per rev around Sun

> > Sani 2.5 years 29.5 years

> > Jupiter 1 year 12.5 years

> > Mars 1.5 months 1.5 years

> > Sun 30 days 25 days (around axis)

> > Venus 30 days 224 days

> > Mercury 30 days 88 days

> > Moon 2.5 days 365 days

> >

> > So, if you look above, why then is Sun postioned there... equi-

> > distant between the slowest and the fastest?

> > I am of the belief that it is because the Sun has pure satvic

motion

> > not too fast, not too slow. It's at the Center of the Solar

System

> > and at the center of our Being as the Natural AtmaKaraka e.g.

> > balanced; so if balance is to occur , it must be in the middle.

> >

> > Pranams,

> > Frank

> >

> >

> >

> > varahamihira , " Ramapriya D " <hubli@v...>

> > wrote:

> > > Visti, I thought of adding for those interested in the

astronomy

> > of planets that the orbit speeds (around the sun, that is) of

Venus

> > and Jupiter are surprisingly the same, with Mars 70% more,

Mercury

> > 169% more and Saturn 29% less than Venus and Jupiter. One thing

> > more... Saturn moves only about 22.5 times slower than the speed

of

> > light, yet he's the astrological sloth

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > >

> > > Ramapriya

> > > hubli@v...

> > >

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > varahamihira

> > > Saturday, January 11, 2003 7:47 PM

> > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

Varahamihira]

> > Re: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is

> > still present

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

----

> > -----------

> > >

> > > Yes Ramapriya, in regards to speeds then yes. But this isn't

> > relevant in the context of Horas, where we only use the 7 Sthira

> > Karaka.

> > > Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > -

> > > Ramapriya D

> > > varahamihira

> > > Saturday, January 11, 2003 2:13 PM

> > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

> > Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is

still

> > present

> > >

> > >

> > > And Rahu / Ketu somewhere between Shani and Guru...

correct?

> > >

> > > Ramapriya

> > > hubli@v...

> > >

> > > -

> > > Visti Larsen

> > > varahamihira

> > > Saturday, January 11, 2003 5:12 PM

> > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Re:

> > Varahamihira] Speed of Planets ::> Doubt is still present

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

----

> > -------

> > >

> > > Yes Frank, Sun is slower than Venus and Mercury.

> > > Hence the order begining from the slowest is:

> > >

> > > Shani, Guru, Mangal, Aditya, Shukra, Buddha and Chandra.

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > -

> > > fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> > > varahamihira

> > > Saturday, January 11, 2003 3:52 AM

> > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Varahamihira] Speed of

> > Planets ::> Doubt is still present

> > >

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > > Thanks for the note, yet the speed of the sun is still

in

> > question.

> > > I will assume that we use the time the Sun takes to

> > transit 1 sign.

> > > If so this still makes it slower then Mercury and

Venus,

> > > Yet it is postioned Sani,Jupiter, Mars, SUN, Venus,

> > Mercury, Moon.

> > > The logic is still eluding my common sense...

> > > any help here is appreciated.

> > >

> > > Pranams,

> > > Frank

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > varahamihira , " Visti Larsen "

> > <vishnu@l...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hare Rama Krishna

> > > >

> > > > --------------------

----

> > ----------

> > > -------------

> > > >

> > > > Dear Frank,

> > > > Your signature is missing in the end of the document.

> > > > Being Jyotishas of this earth, we are more concerned

> > with the

> > > speed of planets revolution around Gaya, the Earth, not

> > the Sun.

> > > > Best wishes

> > > > Visti

> > > > ---

> > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > > Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > vedic-

> > > astrologybphs.zip

> > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> > > ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > > -

> > > > fls999999999 <frank_in_sandiego@c...>

> > > > varahamihira

> > > > Monday, January 06, 2003 2:27 AM

> > > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Speed of Planets and

> > their use to

> > > order them

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama,

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > > re: speed of planets and thier order.

> > > > I see Saturn ( slowest) to Moon ( fastest) as the

> > order, but

> > > > do not undersand how Sun is is positioned 4th (

either

> > slowest

> > > or

> > > > fastest).

> > > > When we measure fast or slow, it's the time taken

for

> > a graha to

> > > > make one complete revolution ( 360 degree) around a

> > body.

> > > > Sani takes 29.5 years around the sun, yet we

measure

> > Chandra

> > > taking

> > > > 27.3 days to complete a cycle aound the earth. NOt

the

> > same

> > > metric,

> > > > Yet being geocentric this difference can be

> > rationlized.

> > > >

> > > > YET, Surya takes 25 (earth) days to complete one

> > revolution

> > > around

> > > > its axis, making it faster then the moon. We

surely do

> > not want

> > > to

> > > > measure the time Surya ( and the solar system)

takes

> > to go it's

> > > > center - in this case would be the galaxy, taking ~

> > 250 million

> > > years

> > > > if my memory serves me correctly.

> > > >

> > > > So, how do we reconcile this? Could it be:

> > > > A. Since Surya has perfect satvic motion, it is

> > positioned in

> > > the

> > > > middle ( balanced; not fastest, not the slowest,

just

> > right!)

> > > > in the order Sani,Jupiter, Mars, SUN, Venus,

Mercury,

> > Moon.

> > > > B. Other ideas and knowledge on this?

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> > > >

> > > > Please assist with this fundamental question that

> > helps

> > > comprehend

> > > > order, Hora, etc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >