Guest guest Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Jaya Jagganatha, Dear Karen, Visti asked you to read the archive, before you write, probably to make sure that you read all of them. I shall still request you to give ur thoughts on the subject. Hope Visti woudn't mind. I am giving my thoughts on the subject. Here it is... In the article Principles of creation-I, gurudev says that the Mooladhara is ruled by Mercury and he goes on saying that the Indriya of smell is associated with this chakra. Here we might find a relationship between the predominating tattvas of the chakra and the indriyas ruled by it. Here I would like to mention the relationship between the various tattvas, the indriyas ruled by them and the grahas ruled by those tattvas. Indriya Tattva Graha Sight Agni Sun Smell Prithvi Mercury Touch (Feel) Vayu Saturn Taste Jala Venus Hear Akash Jupiter Shall we include Mars for Sight and Moon for taste too they rule the same tattva as that of Sun and Venus respectively? We know that there are 7 chakras Mooladhara, swadhisthan, Nabhi, Anahata, Visuddha, Agna, Sahasrara, ruled by the 7 planets namely Mercury, Venus, Mars, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and Sun in the same order. However there are only 5 tattvas. How to reconcile between the. For this we can refer to Vedic remedies, where we find that Gurudev has shown the tattavas as the links between the chakras, which I think can denote something which will moves the energy from one chakra to another one. However, here the issue is that, for Seven chakras, there should be 6 links. Then how shall we map it with the 5 tattvas. We get the answer in VRA only. The links Anahata- Visuddha and Visuddha-Agna are both ruled by the Vayu tattva. If we see the links carefully, Prithvi tattva carries shakti from Mooladhara (Prithvi) to Swadhistana (Jala); Jala tattva carries it from the Swadhistana(Jala) to Nabhi(Agni), Agni tattva carries it from Nabhi(Agni) to Anahata (Jala). However for the next 3 chakras, Vayu forms pulling force to carry the shakti from Jala Tattva of Anahata to Akash tattva of Agna chakra. Here we find that, at all the places the tattvas push the shakti, as the tattva of the bottom chakra rules the tattva of the link, whereas in case of the Anahata, the Vayu tattva is pulling the shakti. I guess this is the reason why the Kundalini shakti rises and then resides temporarily at Anahata from where it is pulled to Agna and then Sahasrara with the force of Vayu (Pranayama) and Agni (Intense meditation). Here I am just trying to understand the linkages between the chakras and tattvas. I may be wrong in my understanding. Learned member shall clarify. In my understanding the Mooladhara chakra lies in the 8th house, the anahata lies in the forth house and the Sahasrara lies in the Lagna. From this I can always say that Swadhistana lies in the 7th house, Manipura or Nabhi chakra lies in the 6th house, the void as discussed by Gurudev in the article Principles of creation shall lie in the 5th house. The 3rd house shall contain the Visuddha chakra, 2nd shall contain the Agna chakra. Here I am talking of the houses as per the Kalapurusha or the natural zodiac. Now I shall show why I believe that the these chakras are govenred by these houses. Here I am pasting what Gurudev says about the chakras and what I have to say below that. Gurudev: Mooladhara: The first or lowest Chakra is situated at a level below the sacrum bone and is called the Mooladhara. This is the repository of the entire Kundalini Shakti. Ruled by Mercury, this is the child-like disposition in every person and its main aspect is innocence. It gives purity in thoughts and relationships. Rules by Prithvi Tatwa, it controls the feet and movement thereby giving clear directions. Smell is associated with this Chakra. It is also the root cause of speech as Mercury rules it. Sarajit: This is ruled by the 8th house of natural zodiac, i.e., Scorpio. This sign is often called the sign of occult and the store house of hidden energies. In the classification of the bodyparts we shall see that this sign comprises of the anal region. The position of the lowest vertibra, coccyx is near this point only. One of the ruler of this house is Ketu who rules the serpentine power. Swadishthan Chakra Gurudev: The second Chakra ruled by Venus gives creativity, attentiveness (i.e. a keen eye for details) and Apara Vidya (practical knowledge as Venus is the Asura Guru). We learn to differentiate and admire beauty. It indicates the power to concentrate and is also the source of renewed life and vigor. This region of the Chakra contains the private parts and the procreative abilities of Venus manifest. The worship of the Shiva Linga for the fulfillment of all desires as well as the Mritunjaya mantra for renewed life and vigor are, consequently indicated by Venus. Jala Tatwa extends from this Chakra to the next and rules ‘taste’. Sarajit: This is ruled by the 7th house of natural zodiac Libra, ruled by Venus. This is a wellknown fact that this sign produces very good astrologers. This is born out of the fact that the lord Venus rules the apara vidya. The symbol representing this sign is a balance, which gives us the power to differentiate between good and bad. This is similar to what Gurudev says the power to differentiate and admire beauty. Ayushkaraka Saturn (ruler of prana) gets exalted here and hence gives new vigour. The seat of shiva lingam is also the 7th house which acts as a door from which the soul comes to the earth. Worship of shiva lingam, that is why can extend aayu (as in case of Markendeya Rishi). Nabhi Chakra/ Manipura Chakra: Gurudev: The third Chakra ruled by Mars is the one that gives us physical strength. Before birth this feeds the body through the umbilical chord attached to the navel and hence, Mars the co-significator (Sthira karaka) for Mother. A strong Nabhi Chakra gives generosity and contentment besides relieving stress and tensions. Liver related diseases (Liver is in this region) can be cured by practising Mantra related to Mars. It gives energies for spiritual quest unless these energies have been drained out by excessive sexuality in the previous Chakra. A sense of righteousness and fair play, morality and control over anger are indicated by this Chakra in its positive aspect. Agni Tatwa gives the power of sight. Thus, cleaning the navel with oils could cure sight related diseases. Sarajit: In the natural zodiac this is the sign of Virgo or the clean Mercury. 6th house is the house of service and cleanliness. However at fall, this can show the shadripu or the 6 weaknesses. This is indicated by Fall of Venus in this sign. We all know that the quality of Mercury is a clean heart, good humour and Mercury gets exalted here. Thus this shows why a strong Manipura chakra can keep one away from Stress. This is the place where Mercury learns higher aspects of Spirituality under the direct guidence from the Maharishis in Pisces. If the energies are not wasted in the shadripus, this sign can give hige spiritual learning. The Void Gurudev: Surrounding the second and the third Chakra is the Void, which is Maya or the " ocean of illusions " that can be traversed with the blessings of one’s Diksha[8] Guru. Agni Tatwa that permeates into this void from the Nabhi Chakra helps us to overcome Shadripu[9] and become Swatantra[10]. Sarajit: Leo rules this place being the 5th house of the natural zodiac. The sign is characterised by tremendous independence (Swatantra).This is ruled by Sun, the source of all knowledge and ruler of the sattvik fire which can burn all evils which arise out of darkness. This is gain the house of disciple, who is ever eager to recieve the para vidya from a able guru, which can help him traverse the ocean of illusion to reach the seat of Bhagvan at heart in the 4th house. Anahata Chakra Gurudev: The fourth Chakra in the region of the heart, is the place where the Atma resides with the Paramatma (like two parrots – the teacher and the pupil). This is the true Self that is a mute witness to all that is happening and learns from every episode or experience. It is unattached and beyond happiness and sorrow. Self Realization refers to the conscious knowledge of the existence of this Atma and its gradual dominance over the Mana and Body. The Moon ruling over the self-consciousness lords over this Chakra and, in the physical level, this covers the heart and lungs. It causes compassion and love and is the seat of Bhakti Marga or the path of devotional love for God. It provides security and confidence and destroys worries, doubts and fears. Sarajit: 4th is the house where the Bhagvan seats in the HrdayaPadma (4th from the karakamsa shows the devata one loves). This is also the house of Mother, signifying compassion and love. This is the place where Bhagvan, Jup gets exalted and ruled by the natural sustainer Moon. This falls on the Moksha trikona showing the experiences the mind gains which can help it get over the bondage. Vishuddhi Chakra Gurudev: The fifth Chakra ruled by Saturn is in the region of the throat. This region of speech causes great loss of energy. Mauna Vrata[11] is practiced by saints to end enmity and recoup their energies. Sarajit 3rd of the natural zodiac Gemini rules this chakra. 3rd house is the house of communication and so is the lord of the 3rd house Mercury. No doubt this chakra rules the speech. This is the place where Rahu gets exalted and can show the kind of wastage of energy it can do with speech. Thats why Maunavrata is practiced by the Saints to recuperate the energies. Agya Chakra Gurudev: The sixth Chakra ruled by Jupiter is in the region between the eyebrows and is popularly called the third eye. It gives compassion for all beings and saintly qualities and wisdom besides sixth sense. To forgive and forget leads to overcoming anger, hatred and resentment. This makes the person noble, humble and destroys the individual ego, eccentricities, bad habits, mean thoughts about people, places and customs and makes a person fair and equality minded. Sarajit Taurus, the 2nd sign of the natural zodiac rules this sign. This is the place where Moon gets exalted showing the motherly compassion for all beings. Sahasrara Chakra Gurudev: The thousand petals Lotus or Sahasrara Chakra is best understood from the following stanza of Hora Makarandh. Sarajit Aries, the first house (seat of intelligence or Dhi) of the natural zodiac rules this chakra. Sun gets exalted at this place indicating the source of all knowledge. Others please join in. I shall request Gurudev to correct me, wherever my understanding is not correct. Warm Regards Sarajit >Karen Skoler <nykaren >Sarajit Poddar <sarajit_poddar >Re: Varahamihira] Chakras and Astrology >Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:38:59 -0500 > >Jaya Jagannatha > >Dear Sarajit, > >Thank you for the graphic. It is the same graphic that is in VRA. > >I have been listening to some of the lectures from Ukiah on CD where >Gurudev >presents a chart of a man afflicted with a particular disease and ask the >members to determine the disease. In the chart analysis he mentions that a >certain house is afflicted and it is the man's mooladhara chakra so >afflicts the legs. Gurudev has also hinted at in COVA about kundalini >awakening and the rasi chart in Osho's chart. I know that there must be a >method that links astrology and yoga. I have asked Gurudev directly to >teach me but so far he has not. I am very interested in learning this >because I do have some knowledge of the chakras and how they can be >influenced by asana, mantra ,pranayam etc and I have some knowledge of >jyotish and I am searching for the key to bring the two together. Guruji >has asked me to write an article about yoga and chakras and I am in the >process of writing it. I am hoping that other members who attended the >Ukiah conference can shed some light on this for us. When Visti admitted >me >into the Varahamihira list he gave me instructions that I was not allow to >post until I have read the entire SJC archives but if a Guru specifically >asks me to post I shall. > >Best Wishes, >Karen > >- > " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit_poddar ><nykaren >Saturday, December 21, 2002 1:12 PM >Re: Varahamihira] Chakras and Astrology > > > > Jaya Jagannatha, > > Dear Karen, > > > > I am attaching the graphics. what do you mean by reading the chakras >from > > the rasi chart. The chakras are goverened by different tattvas and >grahas. > > The knowledge is important for remedies. I guess it can also be seen, >what > > chakras have been activated for somebody at a particular time from > " some " > > charts. Probably gurudev is the only one who can shed light on that. > > > > Anyway any discussion on this subject shall be a good learning >experience. > > Please reveal your understanding on this subject. Lets make the >varahamihira > > group active. It has been under deep slumber for quite a long time. > > > > Warm Regards > > Sarajit > > > > > > > > > > > > >Karen Skoler <nykaren > > >sarajit_poddar > > >Re: Varahamihira] Re: [vedic astrology] Chakras and Astrology > > >Sat, 21 Dec 2002 10:02:06 -0500 > > > > > >Namaste Sarajit, > > > > > >Thank you very much for the article. Unfortunately the graphics didn't > > >come in. Any suggestion on how to get them to appear? The article is > > >very similiar to an article that I am in the process of writing for >Sanjay > > >Guruji so I will change mine a little not to duplicate it. > > > > > >What I am interested in learning is how the chakras can be read from a >rasi > > >chart. Perhaps it was in the chart. > > > > > >Thanks so much for your help. > > > > > >Best Wishes, > > >Karen > > > - > > > Sarajit Poddar > > > varahamihira > > > Saturday, December 21, 2002 5:24 AM > > > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: [vedic astrology] Chakras and >Astrology > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > Dear Karen, > > > > > > I am sending you an aricle written by Gurudev which I collected from >the > > > Srijagannatha.org site. You will find this useful. 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Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Hare Rama Krishna Om Shreem Vachaspataye Namah Dear Sarajit, Many thanks for this wonderfull article. I would like to express some of my thoughts for everybody's comment. > We know that there are 7 chakras Mooladhara, swadhisthan, Nabhi, Anahata, > Visuddha, Agna, Sahasrara, ruled by the 7 planets namely Mercury, Venus, > Mars, Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and Sun in the same order. However there are > only 5 tattvas. How to reconcile between the. > SP: The tatwa's(excluding Akash?) rule only the physical aspects of creation. But the body is composed of 2 more elements namely Mind and Soul. So it may not be necessary to map all 5 tatwas to each chakra? > In my understanding the Mooladhara chakra lies in the 8th house, the anahata > lies in the forth house and the Sahasrara lies in the Lagna. From this I can > always say that Swadhistana lies in the 7th house, Manipura or Nabhi chakra > lies in the 6th house, the void as discussed by Gurudev in the article > Principles of creation shall lie in the 5th house. The 3rd house shall > contain the Visuddha chakra, 2nd shall contain the Agna chakra. Here I am > talking of the houses as per the Kalapurusha or the natural zodiac. > > Now I shall show why I believe that the these chakras are govenred by these > houses. SP: Also Guruji told that the three loka ( worlds, dimensions?) Bhu, Bhuva, Swaha lokas out of the all seven are ruled by 5 tatwas and not the rest. Each of the three lokas represent three creations of brahma Manushya(more Rajasic), Rakshasa(more Tamasic) and Deva (more satvic) are represent by the 3 Zodiac nabhi from Aries-Cancer[bhu], Cancer- Scorpio[bhuva], Saggittarius-Pisces[swaha]. The 8 signs mapped are falling only in Bhu and Bhuva namely Manushya and Rakshasa part only. So can I say that Kundalini growth is more relevent only to the these to class of Brahma's children?. Warm Regards S.Prabhakaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2002 Report Share Posted December 23, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Namaste Sarajit, Thanks for the interesting explanation. My two pennies follow and I wait for your corrections. While going through your mail it just occurred to me that there seems to be a natural organization in the zodiac. I feel that the zodiac can be divided into three natural parts, the gandanta points arking the separation. This concept is akin to the philosophy of the tripod of life, the lagna, Chandra and Surya, indicating 3 levels of identifications, the body, the mind and finally Soul/soullessness, where there is no difference between the Paramatma and Jeevatma. Both become One and None. The Dwaita continues only till aagya chakra. After that it is only " adwaita " or dissolution of Self. From Aries to Cancer…the seed of a jeeva is implanted and nourished, but it is only from Leo that the individual really starts standing out on his own. Hitherto, he was a part of his mother, a part of a family etc. As you have very rightly pointed out, Leo is all about swatantra or independence. The gandanta between Cancer and Leo kind of indicates the severing of the umbilicus between the mother and the child. The first Brahma Nabhi. Leo or the Sun symbolizes the Soul/Prana/Kundalini or the ENERGY in the individual. And, the Shat-chakras (Note: not 7 chakras) indeed start from Virgo, which indicates the Mooladhara Chakra, ruled by Mercury. It shows the jeeva which is controlled by the shadripus.Then comes Libra, the natural 7th house, indicative of Swadhisthana chakra, ruled by Venus. This is followed by Scorpio, the 8th house of Zodiac ruling occult.. Remember the words of Purusha sooktam, which say that the " Nabhi " (navel) of the Viratpurusha is the Anthariksham (Cosmos). It is this Cosmic energy of Manipura Chakra lorded by fiery Mars, which makes it the seat of Mantra vidya. This chakra also marks the end of " physical " chakras and points to kindling of higher emotions/energies of the Universe. The second Brahma Nabhi…severance from mere " bodily " concerns and birth into a higher awareness. The void that separates Manipura chakra from Anahata chakra is Sagittarius, lorded by Jupiter, who rules Akasa tattwa…the imperceptible ether. Perhaps, the " asteroid belt " that physically lies between the planets Mars and Jupiter and separates the inner planets from the outer planets has some connection to this void. The Anahata chakra is of course Capricorn, which contains the unseen constellation " Abhijit " or Vishnu. I always maintained that Capricorn- Cancer axis is the axis of rebirth…the seat of our desires and the root of our karmas... that continue to seed countless incarnations. Aquarius is the Visuddhi chakra ruled by Saturn and ofcourse co- lorded by Rahu…hence the mauna vrata. The poisonous Rahu or " haalahala " can only be controlled thus. Then comes Aagya chakra ruled by Jupiter…Pisces. The ocean of deep wisdom and great tranquility. Have you seen how the higher consciousness of Anahata-Visuddhi-Aagyna chakras is sort of cocooned by Jupiter? Don't you think that this point is very significant? Then comes the third gandanta point and then again there is a severance from the consciousness of self and a rebirth… option is between reincarnation or emancipation. If it is the former, one moves on to Taurus for yet another " earthly " image…if it is the latter, one stops at Aries, the Sahasrara. The Abode of eternal, brilliant Light. the exaltation point of Sun/soul. The third Brahma Nabhi, indicating the birth of supra consciousness or a point of total control over cosmic energy. I think awakening Kundalini is all about losing awareness of self and gaining a cosmic personality that is virtually boundless. It is about yoking Rahu and Ketu who are the causes of rebirth and naturally retrograde (remember, Kundalini is resides in Mooladhara upside down) by sheer soul force and forcing them upwards and upwards, against natural laws of gravity, towards Oneness and dissolution. And the establishment/practice of dharma is a great yoga in itself, as unequivocally stated by Lord Krishna in Bhagavadgita. Please note how the Sun, the epitome of Dharma, starts from Leo and reaches exaltation in the 9th house from thence..Aries, the Sahasrara. Hoping for your comments and corrections. Regards, Lakshmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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