[SJC: Varahamihira] Progeny Delineation

[Guest guest]

Om Gurave namah

Dear Sandy

When planets conjoin, they tend to give each others results.

Normally, Saptamsa Libra rising has ONE CHILD as Rahu is the co-lord of

the fifth house but shall have more if the first is lost or if Guru

intervenes or there is more than one marriage. The first pregnancy loss

is more clear in the Rasi chart as well due to the affliction by Saturn

and Mars -I can go on. Now Moon is saved by Jupiters aspect on it (Rasi

dristi) in Rasi and saptamsa.

Moon gains 4 navamsa's indicating the four pregnancies.

Also, first pregnancy was not lost due to Rahu and Saturn, but instead

due to the Moon. Moon is the tenth lord in saptamsa. Please be careful in

the application of the rules.

Now look at the remaining three pregnancies that come from same spouse

after the nodal affliction is overcome -

2nd pregnancy - Jupiter & Ketu in Cancer ..the sikh's say 'Wahe

Guru'..

3rd Pregnancy - Venus in Pisces (Look at the mirror...who is she trying

to emulate? Is this a boy in a girl body or girl in a boy body or what?

Venus is in 6th house of saptamsa in marana karaka sthana..now you can

understand the scene better.

4th Pregnancy - Sun & Mercury in Aries...this is the seventh house in

saptamsa..marriage time shall be trying for you. Look at her chart for

this indication.

No 5th pregnancy from same spouse due to the return of the nodal

axis.

Does this explain?

Regards

Sanjay Rath

 

At 03:30 PM 12-03-03 -0500, you wrote:

Hare

Rama Krishna

 

 

 

 

Dear Sanjay, Gurus, and

Esteemed List Members,

 

 

 

Firstly, I apologize if this

has all been addressed before with clarity, and please feel free

not to answer.

J

 

 

 

I am in the process of studying

and evaluating the techniques of delineating both the number of

children and their sex, using the techniques from resources in Sanjays

Upadesa Sutras and COVA, along with Varga Chakra,

and have seemed to reach a dead end on all counts so to speak, so

perhaps I am missing or misunderstanding something important.

 

 

 

My chart is attached. I have

had 4 pregnancies in my life, all by my first and current (wonderful)

husband of 34 years. My first pregnancy resulted in losing the child

through an early miscarriage, while the 2nd, 3rd,

and 4th pregnancies brought children in the order of male,

female, and female respectively. Intuitively, I have always felt that the

first pregnancy (which was lost through miscarriage) was a male, but I

cannot be certain. Anyway &

 

 

 

With respect to

D-7th Saptamsa - If my understanding is correct, the Sa/Ra

association clearly shows the miscarriage, which was a result of the

first pregnancy (5th lord in 4th on nodal axis

d-7th Libra lagna), the second pregnancy shows a male, again

correct, but the third pregnancy is where all appears to go haywire... My

9th lord, Mercury, conjoins exalted Sun in Aries, suggesting a

son rather than a daughter. Then again & the 4th pregnancy,

another daughter, was a C-section, and Mars disposits the d-7th

11th lord Sun, suggesting possibility of surgery, but sex is

again strongly suggestive of male, when the birth was

female.

 

 

 

Irrespective of the lost

childs sex, my attempts at possibly rectifying my chart using attempted

rectified alternates for the d-7 lagnas on either side of Libra,

(Scorpio and Virgo) still do not bring in any confluence to

signify the actual number or resulting sex of the birth order of

my three children and four pregnancies. Am I overlooking

something? Any suggestions at my oversights would be very much

appreciated &

 

 

 

For the record, my final

pregnancy (youngest daughter, who is now 22) is a young lady who was

always agitated and disturbed at comments by others with

respect to being called a pretty little girl, and would verbally

approach anyone who made any sort of comment to her gender,

in a very adamant fashion (just as early as she was

able to speak), stating that she was not a girl or a

boy & she was neither. This went on until her entrance

into school. Although highly amusing and most delightful in her youth,

she now has many more male personality traits, she is a Cancer

lagna, and has suffered through many emotional difficulties being

medically diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder, ADHD, and Borderline

Personality Disorder. My third pregnancy, however, (my other daughter) is

extremely feminine in all respects.

 

 

 

Thanks for any

considerations.

 

 

 

 

 

~ Sincerely ~

 

Sandy Crowther

 

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay Rath,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

Your explanation about this Saptamsa chart is very nice indeed, however

you have to clarify a few matters to me:

 

- first pregnancy being destroyed and 2nd one being a boy is clear

- then how can 3rd pregnancy be a girl when it's lord Mercury conjoins

exalted Sun (male) and in a male sign (Aries)?

-how can exalted Sun (male) conjoined Mercury (male eunuch) again give a

girl?

 

Doesn't that contradict your earlier teachings? However, using my ayanamsa

correction of 12 1/2 minutes less than Lahiri gives me Venus in Aries and

Sun in Taurus. Doesn't that look better to explain the 2 girls?

 

BTW, the confusion which 3rd pregnancy met with can be explained also by

Mercury (eunuch) being in male sign with Venus, and being the 7th house of

Saptamsa.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

 

Your sishya,

Dhira Krsna dasa

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

Dear

Sanjay,

 

Thank you

very much for the corrections to my errors with respect to my first pregnancy,

and the oversights I made with respect to Jupiter’s influence, however I still

remain confused about the sex determinants

for my 2nd child (3rd pregnancy) and 3rd child

(4th pregnancy), who are both females.

 

You wrote:

3rd Pregnancy - Venus in Pisces (Look at the mirror...who is she trying

to emulate? Is this a boy in a girl body or girl in a boy body or what? Venus

is in 6th house of saptamsa in marana karaka sthana..now you can understand the

scene better.

I believe

my 3rd pregnancy is calculated from Gemini and therefore Mercury,

and as I noted in my email and Dhira Krsna pointed out again, 9th lord

Mercury is with exalted Sun in Aries. This first daughter is the one who is very feminine. So I think I am totally

missing something with respect to

the above quote…please forgive my thick-headedness on this matter…L…but I don’t understand the above with respect to the sex

determinant when we are talking about Mercury in Aries with exalted Sun and an

extremely femine daughter?

 

My

youngest daughter (4th pregnancy) is the one who frequently got

upset by being called a girl, and

11th lord Sun is exalted in Aries with eunuch Mercury, so I’m

confused again about the sex determinant…but yes…you are correct in saying that

this was a very trying time with respect to

my marriage and I do see the correlations. However, if I had to question

which daughter was a boy in a girl’s body,

it is definitely this one – my youngest

daughter and 4th pregnancy.

 

Perhaps I

just need to go back to the books with a more scrutinizing

eye…because I remain confused.

 

~Namaste~

Sandy Crowther

http://www.jupitersweb.com/

 

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Message-----

Sanjay Rath

[vyasa]

Friday, March 14, 2003 1:37

PM

varahamihira

Re: [sJC: Varahamihira]

Progeny Delineation

 

Om Gurave namah

Dear Sandy

When planets conjoin, they tend to give each others results.

 

Normally, Saptamsa Libra rising has ONE CHILD as Rahu is the co-lord of the

fifth house but shall have more if the first is lost or if Guru intervenes or

there is more than one marriage. The first pregnancy loss is more clear in the

Rasi chart as well due to the affliction by Saturn and Mars -I can go on. Now

Moon is saved by Jupiters aspect on it (Rasi dristi) in Rasi and saptamsa.

 

Moon gains 4 navamsa's indicating the four pregnancies.

 

Also, first pregnancy was not lost due to Rahu and Saturn, but instead due to

the Moon. Moon is the tenth lord in saptamsa. Please be careful in the

application of the rules.

 

Now look at the remaining three pregnancies that come from same spouse after

the nodal affliction is overcome -

 

2nd pregnancy - Jupiter & Ketu in Cancer ..the sikh's say 'Wahe Guru'..

3rd Pregnancy - Venus in Pisces (Look at the mirror...who is she trying to

emulate? Is this a boy in a girl body or girl in a boy body or what? Venus is

in 6th house of saptamsa in marana karaka sthana..now you can understand the

scene better.

4th Pregnancy - Sun & Mercury in Aries...this is the seventh house in

saptamsa..marriage time shall be trying for you. Look at her chart for this

indication.

 

No 5th pregnancy from same spouse due to the return of the nodal axis.

 

Does this explain?

 

Regards

Sanjay Rath

 

 

 

At 03:30 PM

12-03-03 -0500, you wrote:

 

 

 

Hare Rama Krishna

 

 

 

Dear Sanjay, Gurus, and Esteemed List Members,

 

 

 

Firstly, I apologize if this has all been

addressed before with clarity, and please feel free not to answer. J

 

 

 

I am in the process of studying and evaluating

the techniques of delineating both

the number of children and their sex, using the techniques from resources in

Sanjays Upadesa Sutras and COVA, along with Varga Chakra, and have seemed to reach a dead end on all counts so to speak, so

perhaps I am missing or misunderstanding something important.

 

 

 

My chart is attached. I have had 4 pregnancies in

my life, all by my first and current (wonderful) husband of 34 years. My first

pregnancy resulted in losing the child through an early miscarriage, while the

2nd, 3rd, and 4th pregnancies brought children

in the order of male, female, and female respectively. Intuitively, I have

always felt that the first pregnancy (which was lost through miscarriage) was a

male, but I cannot be certain. Anyway &

 

 

 

With respect to D-7th Saptamsa - If my

understanding is correct, the Sa/Ra association clearly shows the miscarriage,

which was a result of the first pregnancy (5th lord in 4th

on nodal axis d-7th Libra lagna), the second pregnancy shows a male,

again correct, but the third pregnancy is where all appears to go haywire... My

9th lord, Mercury, conjoins exalted Sun in Aries, suggesting a son

rather than a daughter. Then again & the 4th pregnancy, another

daughter, was a C-section, and Mars disposits the d-7th 11th lord

Sun, suggesting possibility of surgery, but sex is again strongly suggestive of

male, when the birth was female.

 

 

 

Irrespective of the lost childs sex, my

attempts at possibly rectifying my chart using attempted rectified alternates for the d-7 lagnas on either

side of Libra, (Scorpio and Virgo) still

do not bring in any confluence to

signify the actual number or

resulting sex of the birth order of my three

children and four pregnancies. Am

I overlooking something? Any suggestions at my oversights would be very much

appreciated &

 

 

 

For the record, my final pregnancy (youngest daughter, who is now 22) is a

young lady who was always

agitated and disturbed at comments by others with respect to being called a pretty little girl, and would verbally

approach anyone

who made any sort of comment to her gender, in a very adamant fashion (just as early as she was able to speak), stating

that she was not

a girl or a boy & she was neither. This went on until her entrance into school.

Although highly amusing and most delightful in her youth, she now has many more

male personality traits, she is a

Cancer lagna, and has suffered through many emotional difficulties being

medically diagnosed with Bi-Polar disorder, ADHD, and Borderline Personality

Disorder. My third pregnancy, however, (my other daughter) is extremely feminine

in all respects.

 

 

 

Thanks for any considerations.

 

 

 

 

 

~ Sincerely ~

 

Sandy Crowther

 

http://www.jupitersweb.com/