[SJC: Varahamihira] Jupiter and Jyotisha

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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Lakshmi,

 

Excellent! The Lagna represents the intelligence and is also called the

Seat of intelligence. However the focus of the intelligence is seen

from the Paka Lagna or the place where the Lagna lord is placed.

 

Sun is important as Sun repesents the source of the knowledge where the

intelligence (intelligence is a poor translation of Dhi shakti) takes

us to. Jupiter in form of the Guru blesses us to realise the knowledge

within us. The real " I " is the soul and is represented by the Sun and

has all the knowledge. Dhi or the power of discrimination takes us to

the truth. Now this is very difficult to put the thoughts in writing. I

guess I am doing enough justice to the subject.

 

Now Sun is very important in a chart as if Jupiter is afflicted or the

lagna lord is afflicted, only it can come to rescue. So it helps in

protecting the intelligence. Now Sun is the karaka of the Lagna and

Jupiter is the karaka of the paka Lagna. One represents, where the

intelligence will take you (to Truth or Satya), whereas the Paka Lagna

shall show where the intelligence is focused.

 

Now your second query... If the lord of a house or the karaka of that

house is placed in kednra or trikona from that house, the matter of the

house is promoted. The same is true if the lord of the house is placed

with he karaka of the house. So the placement of a house in the Trine

with the karaka of the house shall be very good.

 

BTW, Head is a very broad term and can mean the skull, the brain, the

mind and the intelligence. How much head is head!!!lol!

 

best wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

 

 

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Sarbani,

>

> In Gurudeva's " Crux of Vedic Astrology " it is stated that 1st house

> should be examined to determine one's intelligence too. Also Sun is

> exalted in Aries, which represents the head, and remember, Sun is

> also the Sahasraara and if so much of " head " does not indicate

> intelligence, I don't know what else will :-))!

>

> Love,

> Lakshmi

>

> varahamihira , " Sarbani Sarkar " <sarbani@s...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > As far as I know, dhi and intuition are both ruled by Jupiter. And

> the Sun

> > is jyotish...

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> > Sarbani

> >

> >

> >

> > b_lakshmi_ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]

> > Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:42 PM

> > varahamihira

> > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and Jyotisha

> >

> >

> > Om Gurave Namah

> >

> > Namaste Sarajit,

> >

> > That was an interesting mail. But while assessing the natural focus

> > and intelligence of a native shouldn't Sun, the karaka for 1H and

> > whose exaltation is in 1H of the natural zodiac, be also

> considered?

> > I am not very familiar with Narasimha's chart, but in Sanjayji's

> > chart, Sun's placement (along with Venus, 8L) in 5H, I feel, is an

> > equally important contributing factor for his great intuition and

> > bhakti, as is the placement of Jupiter in lagna (Pisces).

> >

> > BTW, if the Lord of a particular bhava is in trines with the

> > respective karaka, will the significations of that particular bhava

> > gain more significance?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Lakshmi

> >

> > varahamihira , " Sarajit Poddar " <sarajit@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Jaya Jagannath

> > > Dear Jyotisha,

> > >

> > > Its time to explain the role of Jupiter for Jyotisha. From

> > Gurudev's mail you can know that he emphasised on one very important

> > point, which I am quoting from his mail " In matters of marriages

> > (Venus is ninth lord and Jupiter is in Libra) he has been extremely

> > accurate. "

> > >

> > > Now we know that the knowledge of Jyotisha can only be given the

> by

> > the devaguru Brhaspati. Now in Narasimha's case, Jupiter is placed

> in

> > the Libra, the natural 7th house and lorded by Kalatrakaraka (karaka

> > for spouse) Venus. Thats why he says that he is good in the matters

> > of Marriage. In the horoscope of Gurudev Sanjay Rath you will find

> > that Jupiter is placed in Pisces, the houses of the maharishis and

> > the highest level of spirituality. Thats why his emphasis is on the

> > Spiritual side of Jyotish, which can guide one to the path of Moksha

> > (Pisces). Thus the area where a jyotish shall be good in is seen

> from

> > the sign placement of Jupiter.

> > >

> > > Now the focus of the intelligence is seen from the paka lagna. Now

> > in Narasimha's case, it is the 8th house and hence he is too deeply

> > interested in the matters of occult. However 8th also rules

> > speculation and sometimes, this speculation draws him away from the

> > truth mostly wrt to the things related to the Lagna lord. In Pt.

> > Sanjayji's horoscope, the Lagna lord is placed in the Lagna Pisces

> > only, showing the focus on self development and reaching the perfect

> > state.

> > >

> > > Just to explain a few interesting points.

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Sarajit

[Guest guest]

Hi lakshmi ji, sarajit, sarbani and karu,

Stars are really favourable for learning jyotish

and your brilliant exposition is doing just that.

Great!!!

My own idea of sun is that it is the sole

representative and activator of " universal

consciousness/chetana " (overlord of rashi chakra,

signifying a common element that connects all those 30

degree divisions of zodiac... what more is required to

understanding that its penetrating all and that the

lord of sign rising in east, direction of sun, denotes

the focus of our intelligence as paka lagna).

Our " chetana/consciousness " is of the nature of sun,

self-shining, self-sustaining, and always effulgent.

" Understanding " , as we understand i.e. through

intellect and senses, is secondary only to mark the

fact that we indeed exist only to realize later that

existence is realizing that it exists, which it

doesn't need perhaps except for the process of

existence in this loka/others.

What great are the " paths " of jupiter or saturn or

others, if finally it has to be tracked over by the

" solar/individual chetana " !!!

Lakshmiji, your explanation of GajaKesari is the

best I happened to read so far. Just comparing it to

Buddh-aditya, I see that while in gajakesari, moon

receives the power of jupiter in full, its other way

round for buddh-aditya!!! And then, I wonder if I am

right in saying that in any yoga, one planet acts as

sun and the rest as moon, though it is seemingly more

complex than this!!! Please comment.

regards,

nitish

--- b_lakshmi_ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Hi Sarajit, Sarbani, and Karu

>

> It's lovely to hear from all of u….makes me feel

> very nostalgic.

> Anyway, back to the stimulating discussion.

>

> Sarajit, talking of skull and bones, don't u think

> Sun represents

> them too? BTW, when I said " head " I meant more the

> Light inside than

> the shell outside, and don't you know that!

>

> Sarbani, you are right that Sun is the significator

> for body and

> health. But he is also the Pure, Objective, Eternal

> Intelligence

> that's central to the Universe and Life. Imagine a

> solar system

> without the Sun…imagine a person, brain dead? His

> body is otherwise

> healthy, and he might be alive for all medical

> purposes, but is he

> really so in the true sense?

>

> Sarbani, here I am talking about Intelligence that's

> not subject to

> the vagaries of the mana…. Sun in the real sense is

> the implacable,

> uninvolved " I " ..not the emotional, subjective " i " .

> If you keenly

> observe, all the Mahapurusha, Sri Rama, Sri Krishna,

> Buddha.. all

> have a strong Solar influence in their charts, along

> with a strong

> Saturn, Jupiter and Moon…for Sun not only initiates

> the Rajayogas,

> but also blesses the native with an ability to raise

> above the

> terrestrial rajayogas, above self, above desha,

> above kaala and have

> genuine universal validity.

>

> Sarajit was indeed talking of jyotish and so was I.

> Ofcourse, Sun is

> good for Jyotish, he embodies the power " to see " . In

> Purusha sooktam

> also, Sun is said to symbolize the brilliant eyes of

> the Virat

> Purusha, the Dispassionate Observer. And, Sarbani,

> don't you think

> that " Dhi " is required not only for Jyotish, but for

> any complex,

> advanced study? And, come to think of it, isn't

> there something

> very " earth bound " about " Dhi " ? However exalted and

> full it might be

> (that's Gajakesari for you, Karu…the great body of

> intellect+knowledge of Gaja- combined with power +

> natural authority

> of Kesari)… yes, it still remains bound to earth.

> The power to soar

> is given only by the Sun. You know, one of the names

> of Sun

> is " Hamsa " . Now what does that signify?

>

> You know Sarbani, Jupiter gives gyaana thru

> attachment, Saturn gives

> vairaagya thru detachment…but it's the Sun, while

> touching and

> sustaining the entire world with his warmth, still

> basically remains

> Untouched and Virgin.

>

> " Bhaaskaraaya vidhmahe mahaddyuthikaraaya dheemahi

> tanno Aditya prachodayaat. "

>

> Love,

> Lakshmi

>

> P.S: Though I am an essential " agni tattwa " person,

> I appreciate the

> sensitivity and compassion of " Jala tattwa " …what

> would we be without

> you? And, hey. do u think I might actually manage to

> become a

> passable jyotishi? Just don't remind me about Mars,

> yaar….:-))

>

> Thanks Karu, Shane and Ramesh are fine. Shane

> unabashedly celebrated

> Australia winning the world cup (bless him!), while

> the rest of the

> family remained sullenly patriotic! Shows how much

> we can learn from

> kids.

>

> varahamihira , " Sarbani

> Sarkar " <sarbani@s...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > Sun is the naisargika Atmakaraka and the karaka

> for lagna; hence

> its is the

> > karaka for health and the self. The lagna governs

> the entire self,

> and

> > without a well-disposed Sun (who is also the lord

> of all the

> planets), one

> > cannot have a good life, health, education,

> happiness, character,

> > religiosity/dharma, capacity to work, fame, even

> musical sense. Of

> course

> > the Sun is associated with intelligence, specially

> in making a

> person

> > well-read and that too in the dharma shastras.

> >

> > But here I thought Sarajit was talking

> specifically of Jyotish. And

> the kind

> > of intelligence -dhi- that is required here, is

> provided by

> Jupiter. It is

> > Jupiter's budhhi, Jupiter's intuition that is

> specially required.

> The Sun is

> > indispensable, as it rules Jyotisha and Jyotishis

> - " jyotishi tvayi

> sarvani

> > tvam sarva jyotishampati " . A strong Sun in buddhi

> sthana for

> Sanjayji will

> > specifically make him a good Jyotishi (check

> Bhavartha Ratnakara).

> So not

> > only a strong Jupiter, but a strong Sun and a

> strong Mars is also

> required

> > to learn jyotish. Why else do you think a

> Guru-Mangala Yoga is so

> desirable

> > in a jyotishi's horoscope? In fact, that has been

> one of the

> reasons why

> > Sanjayji has been worried whether I will ever

> learn Jyotish at

> depth: a very

> > shady Mars and a not so good Sun, which

> contributes to the weak

> agni tatva

> > balance in my chart. And agni tatva is very

> crucial for jyotish.

> But Sarajit

> > was speaking specifically about the role and

> placement of Jupiter

> with

> > respect to Jyotish. This is not to negate the

> presence of other

> karakas for

> > intelligence.

> >

> > I think there is a subtle difference between

> buddhi, vidya and gyana

> > karakas, and the Sun, Jupiter and Mercury are all

> involved in this

> (even the

> > Moon). Harihar Majumdar has explained this

> beautifully. Vidya

> according to

> > him has two meanings. On the one hand it means

> shiksha/education or

> acquired

> > knowledge. On the other it means atma gyan or

> bhagavat gyan.

> Mercury can

> > give one shiksha/education but only Jupiter can

> give gyan, and

> thats why

> > Mercury is vidya karaka and Jupiter is gyana

> karaka.

> Specifically, " Without

> > japa, bhakti, nishtha, dhyana and dharana one

> cannot have gyana,

> specially

> > bhagavat gyana, and for this is required a

> well-disposed Jupiter

> accompanied

> > by a strong Saturn " . I think it is this quality

> of Jupiter for

> Jyotish that

> > Sarajit was referring to.

> >

> > {The tone of your reply reminded me that Mars is

> transiting your

> lagna now

> > }

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lakshmi,

 

I think everybody here agrees about what you say about the Sun. I don't think that's a bone of contention at all. Let me recapitulate the thread of the conversation for the benefit of all. It began with Sarajit saying:

 

"Its time to explain the role of Jupiter for Jyotisha. From Gurudev's mail you can know that he emphasised on one very important point...Now we know that the knowledge of Jyotisha can only be given by the devaguru Brhaspati."

 

You replied:

 

"But while assessing the natural focus and intelligence of a native shouldn't Sun, the karaka for 1H and whose exaltation is in 1H of the natural zodiac, be also considered?...Sun's placement (along with Venus, 8L) in 5H, I feel, is an equally important contributing factor for his great intuition and bhakti, as is the placement of Jupiter in lagna (Pisces)."

 

I agree with you regarding the importance of the Sun, not because as you say Sun is giving bhakti and intuition, nor because of its natural contribution towards a person' intelligence (because thats understood), but because the Sun has a special role in jyotish. I mentioned it briefly in my last mail. In fact not only Sun I also mentioned Mars for jyotish. And the Sun is the Atma. All that you write about the Sun is accepted by everybody I presume, its one of the foundations of jyotish. "Sarvatma cha divanatho"...as Parasara teaches. Its not the issue at all. The issue is in the line written by Sarajit above (underlined), that is causing you discomfort. I only tried to provide some clues as to what he could have meant by that. I think Sarajit should answer this to you, as to why he thinks that Jupiter is the only one who can provide knowledge of jyotish. Incidentally, Uttara Kalamrita says that Jupiter is a karaka for jyotish and Parasara says, "devegyo gyanasukhado".

 

p.s. ( But yes, from what I have learnt from Sanjayji in my classes, I do believe Jupiter is responsible for intuition in any person, Venus in Cancer in 5th for his general bhakti and love and Sun in 5th for his bhakti for Shiva and the high level of spiritual knowledge of jyotisha. For jyotish, he also has a Guru Mangala yoga ( never mind the placement of Mars), he also has that fantastic Jupiter in lagna in Meena, and he has his AK in the 11th house. The mutual placement of Jupiter in lagna and the Sun in the 5th is also excellent. And I am sure many other aspects as well. You also have a Hamsa Yoga in the lagna and the Sun in trines in his own house, which has given you such a deep knowledge of jyotish...AND Mars is your AK... But all this is beside the point.)

 

Warm regards,

 

Sarbani

 

b_lakshmi_ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh]Friday, March 28, 2003 7:45 AMvarahamihira Subject: [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and JyotishaOm Gurave NamahHi Sarajit, Sarbani, and KaruIt's lovely to hear from all of u….makes me feel very nostalgic. Anyway, back to the stimulating discussion.Sarajit, talking of skull and bones, don't u think Sun represents them too? BTW, when I said "head" I meant more the Light inside than the shell outside, and don't you know that!Sarbani, you are right that Sun is the significator for body and health. But he is also the Pure, Objective, Eternal Intelligence that's central to the Universe and Life. Imagine a solar system without the Sun…imagine a person, brain dead? His body is otherwise healthy, and he might be alive for all medical purposes, but is he really so in the true sense?Sarbani, here I am talking about Intelligence that's not subject to the vagaries of the mana…. Sun in the real sense is the implacable, uninvolved "I"..not the emotional, subjective "i". If you keenly observe, all the Mahapurusha, Sri Rama, Sri Krishna, Buddha.. all have a strong Solar influence in their charts, along with a strong Saturn, Jupiter and Moon…for Sun not only initiates the Rajayogas, but also blesses the native with an ability to raise above the terrestrial rajayogas, above self, above desha, above kaala and have genuine universal validity. Sarajit was indeed talking of jyotish and so was I. Ofcourse, Sun is good for Jyotish, he embodies the power "to see". In Purusha sooktam also, Sun is said to symbolize the brilliant eyes of the Virat Purusha, the Dispassionate Observer. And, Sarbani, don't you think that "Dhi" is required not only for Jyotish, but for any complex, advanced study? And, come to think of it, isn't there something very "earth bound" about "Dhi"? However exalted and full it might be (that's Gajakesari for you, Karu…the great body of intellect+knowledge of Gaja- combined with power + natural authority of Kesari)… yes, it still remains bound to earth. The power to soar is given only by the Sun. You know, one of the names of Sun is "Hamsa". Now what does that signify? You know Sarbani, Jupiter gives gyaana thru attachment, Saturn gives vairaagya thru detachment…but it's the Sun, while touching and sustaining the entire world with his warmth, still basically remains Untouched and Virgin."Bhaaskaraaya vidhmahe mahaddyuthikaraaya dheemahi tanno Aditya prachodayaat."Love,LakshmiP.S: Though I am an essential "agni tattwa" person, I appreciate the sensitivity and compassion of "Jala tattwa"…what would we be without you? And, hey. do u think I might actually manage to become a passable jyotishi? Just don't remind me about Mars, yaar….:-))Thanks Karu, Shane and Ramesh are fine. Shane unabashedly celebrated Australia winning the world cup (bless him!), while the rest of the family remained sullenly patriotic! Shows how much we can learn from kids.varahamihira , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote:> Dear Lakshmi,> > Sun is the naisargika Atmakaraka and the karaka for lagna; hence its is the> karaka for health and the self. The lagna governs the entire self, and> without a well-disposed Sun (who is also the lord of all the planets), one> cannot have a good life, health, education, happiness, character,> religiosity/dharma, capacity to work, fame, even musical sense. Of course> the Sun is associated with intelligence, specially in making a person> well-read and that too in the dharma shastras.> > But here I thought Sarajit was talking specifically of Jyotish. And the kind> of intelligence -dhi- that is required here, is provided by Jupiter. It is> Jupiter's budhhi, Jupiter's intuition that is specially required. The Sun is> indispensable, as it rules Jyotisha and Jyotishis - "jyotishi tvayi sarvani> tvam sarva jyotishampati". A strong Sun in buddhi sthana for Sanjayji will> specifically make him a good Jyotishi (check Bhavartha Ratnakara). So not> only a strong Jupiter, but a strong Sun and a strong Mars is also required> to learn jyotish. Why else do you think a Guru-Mangala Yoga is so desirable> in a jyotishi's horoscope? In fact, that has been one of the reasons why> Sanjayji has been worried whether I will ever learn Jyotish at depth: a very> shady Mars and a not so good Sun, which contributes to the weak agni tatva> balance in my chart. And agni tatva is very crucial for jyotish. But Sarajit> was speaking specifically about the role and placement of Jupiter with> respect to Jyotish. This is not to negate the presence of other karakas for> intelligence.> > I think there is a subtle difference between buddhi, vidya and gyana> karakas, and the Sun, Jupiter and Mercury are all involved in this (even the> Moon). Harihar Majumdar has explained this beautifully. Vidya according to> him has two meanings. On the one hand it means shiksha/education or acquired> knowledge. On the other it means atma gyan or bhagavat gyan. Mercury can> give one shiksha/education but only Jupiter can give gyan, and thats why> Mercury is vidya karaka and Jupiter is gyana karaka. Specifically, "Without> japa, bhakti, nishtha, dhyana and dharana one cannot have gyana, specially> bhagavat gyana, and for this is required a well-disposed Jupiter accompanied> by a strong Saturn". I think it is this quality of Jupiter for Jyotish that> Sarajit was referring to.> > {The tone of your reply reminded me that Mars is transiting your lagna now> }> > Warmly,> > Sarbani> >Hare Rama KrishnaArchive:varahamihiraFiles:varahamihiravarahamihira/database

[Guest guest]

Dear Sanjay

 

Hare Krishna

 

Have you moved to Bhubhneshwar from New Delhi ?

 

Love

 

RG

 

-

Sanjay Rath

varahamihira

Tuesday, April 01, 2003 2:45 AM

Re: [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and Jyotisha

 

 

~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya~Dear Nitish,

 

The name of this list is Varahamihira because I admire his genius as a Jyotish, author, poet, grammarian, astronomer, mathematician, geologist, medical doctor, healer...the list is endless. He worshipped Surya because he was a 'Magha-Brahmana' i.e. from Magadha. Magadha and Kalinga (modern Bihar & Orissa). Jyotish comes from 3 deities representing the 3 eyes as it is light that helps us to see. The karaka for sight is the Sun God and hence the Maha Narayana Upanishad says

Surye Jyotishi juhomi svaha

 

How can any person be so learned in so many branches? Jaimini/Parasara explain that it is Jupiter that gives supreme intelligence (Dhi shakti). This Dhi shakti is the cause of Jupiter ruling the 'third eye' or the eye of wisdom.

 

Coming back to the point, the three planets ruling the three eyes are the Sun (Right/male, left /female), Moon (vice versa) and Jupiter (third eye). The three deties Who gave this knowledge are Surya (Sun), Shiva (Moon) and Vishnu (Jupiter). Vasistha learnt this knowledge from Bhagavan Vishnu and passed it on. Parasara was devoted to Shiva and where does Varahamihira stand in front of Parasara in matters of finalising the entire shastra itself. Everybody after Parasara has only dabbled with rights and wrongs but stayed well within the paradigm set by the great seer.

 

Now, did Parasara only worship Surya? Definitely not. The entire VISHNU PURANA is nothing but a discussion between Parasara and Maitreya and is full of Jyotish foundation. What gave Varahamihira such brilliance and wide learning - can only be Jupiter. So, worship is one thing (5th house) and ruling planet is an other (Lagna).

I don't see any conflict in my recitation of the Savitur gayatri with the Brihaspati gayatri and the Vishnu gayatri to be ended with the Mrityunjaya mantra..why should I grumble if either of the forms of god is willing to give me some knowledge. Whichever form gives me the inspiration, for me He is Nirankaara Parama guru, for guru is Nirankaara.

 

Thus light has three definitions -

1.physical sight caused by the glowing Sun,

2. next mental sight caused by reflecting on the various thoughts and visions that are caused by physical sight ruled by the Moon that reflects light the physical light of the Sun in different tones and quantity and shades.

3. finally the third is the spiritual light coming from Him Whose face is hidden behind the Sun - the spiritual light.

 

With best regards & your post was very thought provoking,Sanjay Rath-----------------------------H-5 BJB Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, IndiaTel: +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com-----------------------------

- Nitish Arya

varahamihira

Monday, March 31, 2003 5:16 PM

Re: [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and Jyotisha

Hi all, I would put my point of view on this discussion,without any intention to disregard any other persons'knowledge, for I am as well learning through theprocess. Since the name of this list is "varahmihira", its ofgreat importance to understand the reasons forvarahmihira in the "brihat jataka" to offer a prayerto sun-god in the starting verse! The stature of theperson, which is as well indicative of the desire thatmight have been behind it for years/births, and thegreat work done by him should be good enough startingpoint in reasoning and put things in rightperspective. Why should the prayer be addressed tosun-god and not to rest of planetary/mythologicaldeities in a treatise on jyotish? Again, jyotish is jyoti+ishwara and the onlyself-luminous graha/light is sun. Who else cantell/guide us better in this science of light than Sungod, who is light himself, something, that we aretrying to see through our consciousness, if onlyseeing is important? Just like guidance to see light is different thanbeing light itself. Jupiter as deva-guru is a guide tosee all that is light, through discrimination, butjupiter is not jyotish. Sun is jyotish/light itselfand hence "superior" to be prayed to see!!! Somebodywho is of the nature of light itself, doesn't need anyexternal aid to know about himself unless that lightis clouded by rahu and if light is clouded, seeingtakes relative importance over being!!! This cloud ofthought and hence ego, and as intuition is sensitizedthought (sensitized through light of consciousness),jupiter is the only ray of hope for most of us in thisYuga.regards,nitish --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:> Jaya Jagannath,> Dear Lakshmi,> > First of all, I just like put a word of caution.> Sentences like, "don't you know that" etc. should> not be used in this forum. There is nothing> personal. Everyone is here to discuss and learn. No> body is putting you down and you need not put> anybody down. Its everyone's responsibilty to> maintain decorum in this forum.> > Now you will find many intelligent fellows in> different segment of lives. Intelligence here is a> very broad term. Many take intelligence to be> analytical, giving practical solutions in different> situations, ability to solve complex problems etc.> Thus we note here that intelligence in common> parlance means a lots of things and we need to> differentiate between the what is meant by> intelligence in the context of Jyotish.> > Intelligence in Jyotish is the ability to> discriminate or discern the truth from untruth. The> ability which takes us to the right path and> ultimately to the path of moksha. Now this is only> governed by the Devaguru Brhaspati. If Jupiter is> weak, even if the person is intelligent (in normal> parlance), he can be completely away from the true> path. You are right in giving the Sun its due by> emphasing its karakatva of the Lagna and the Eyes of> the Purusha. Yes there is a relation of Sun with> Jyotisha as the power of Agni is required for a> person to see the past and future (I guess we don't> have disagreement here). Moreover Sun is also a> significator of this divine science and there is no> doubt about that. However without the Blessings of> Jupiter a strong Sun will lack direction. Such> knowledge will not be use for the mankind. This is> not all, Jupiter being the akash tattva planet is> the only guide to the Intuition, which can only tap> the infinite resources of the resplendant Sun. When> I stated that, the knowledge of Jyotish can only be> given by Jupiter, I meant that.... the knowledge as> a boon to the mankind. Now do you know such> knowledge can also be given by Rahu.... what a> relation, both Jupiter and Rahu aspects the 5th and> 9th. However the only difference is that Jupiter> gives the knowledge by connecting you to the highest> realm of knowledge, however Rahu gives it by making> the person a sort of psychic.> > Without the blessings of Jupiter, even if the person> understands what is going to happen, he will not be> able to guide the person. Thats what I meant by what> I said. Otherwise Jyotish can be given by Venus,> Mars, Mercury, Ketu as well.... all are there in the> shastras. However, thats not the point...> > Now, the knowledge given by various planets in the> horoscope as mentioned above can show whether or not> the person can see the past of future. However,> which areas the person will be good/ successful in> predictions can only be seen from Jupiter's> placement in different signs. Jupiter shall bring> the fruits of your predictions for those things> goverened by the rasi where Jupiter is placed.> > I rest my case here..> > Best wishes> Sarajit> > > - > Sarbani Sarkar > varahamihira > Friday, March 28, 2003 7:49 PM> RE: [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and> Jyotisha> > > Dear Lakshmi,> > I think everybody here agrees about what you say> about the Sun. I don't think that's a bone of> contention at all. Let me recapitulate the thread of> the conversation for the benefit of all. It began> with Sarajit saying:> > "Its time to explain the role of Jupiter for> Jyotisha. From Gurudev's mail you can know that he> emphasised on one very important point...Now we know> that the knowledge of Jyotisha can only be given by> the devaguru Brhaspati."> > You replied:> > "But while assessing the natural focus and> intelligence of a native shouldn't Sun, the karaka> for 1H and whose exaltation is in 1H of the natural> zodiac, be also considered?...Sun's placement (along> with Venus, 8L) in 5H, I feel, is an equally> important contributing factor for his great> intuition and bhakti, as is the placement of Jupiter> in lagna (Pisces)."> > I agree with you regarding the importance of the> Sun, not because as you say Sun is giving bhakti and> intuition, nor because of its natural contribution> towards a person' intelligence (because thats> understood), but because the Sun has a special role> in jyotish. I mentioned it briefly in my last mail.> In fact not only Sun I also mentioned Mars for> jyotish. And the Sun is the Atma. All that you write> about the Sun is accepted by everybody I presume,> its one of the foundations of jyotish. "Sarvatma cha> divanatho"...as Parasara teaches. Its not the issue> at all. The issue is in the line written by Sarajit> above (underlined), that is causing you discomfort.> I only tried to provide some clues as to what he> could have meant by that. I think Sarajit should> answer this to you, as to why he thinks that Jupiter> is the only one who can provide knowledge of> jyotish. Incidentally, Uttara Kalamrita says that> Jupiter is a karaka for jyotish and Parasara says,> "devegyo gyanasukhado". > > p.s. ( But yes, from what I have learnt from> Sanjayji in my classes, I do believe Jupiter is> responsible for intuition in any person, Venus in> Cancer in 5th for his general bhakti and love and> Sun in 5th for his bhakti for Shiva and the high> level of spiritual knowledge of jyotisha. For> jyotish, he also has a Guru Mangala yoga ( never> mind the placement of Mars), he also has that> fantastic Jupiter in lagna in Meena, and he has his> AK in the 11th house. The mutual placement of> Jupiter in lagna and the Sun in the 5th is also> excellent. And I am sure many other aspects as well.> You also have a Hamsa Yoga in the lagna and the Sun> in trines in his own house, which has given you> such a deep knowledge of jyotish...AND Mars is your> AK... But all this is beside the point.) > > Warm regards,> > Sarbani> > > b_lakshmi_ramesh> [b_lakshmi_ramesh]> Friday, March 28, 2003 7:45 AM> varahamihira > [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and> Jyotisha> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Hi Sarajit, Sarbani, and Karu> > It's lovely to hear from all of u..makes me feel> very nostalgic. > Anyway, back to the stimulating discussion.> > Sarajit, talking of skull and bones, don't u think> Sun represents > them too? BTW, when I said "head" I meant more the> Light inside than > the shell outside, and don't you know that!> > Sarbani, you are right that Sun is the> significator for body and > health. But he is also the Pure, Objective,> Eternal Intelligence > that's central to the Universe and Life. Imagine a> solar system > without the Sun.imagine a person, brain dead? His> body is otherwise > healthy, and he might be alive for all medical> purposes, but is he > really so in the true sense?> > Sarbani, here I am talking about Intelligence> that's not subject to > the vagaries of the mana.. Sun in the real sense> is the implacable, > uninvolved "I"..not the emotional, subjective "i".> If you keenly > observe, all the Mahapurusha, Sri Rama, Sri> Krishna, Buddha.. all > have a strong Solar influence in their charts,> along with a strong > Saturn, Jupiter and Moon.for Sun not only> initiates the Rajayogas, > but also blesses the native with an ability to> raise above the > terrestrial rajayogas, above self, above desha,> above kaala and have > genuine universal validity. > > === message truncated === Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!http://platinum.Hare Rama KrishnaArchive:varahamihiraFiles:varahamihiravarahamihira/database

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Dear Sanjay ji,

That was a good explanation and a few points are

noteworthy!

My original question was not a right way to approach

the comparison of Sun vs Jupiter in giving Jyotisha as

it mayn't be possible to derive unbiased conclusions

by basing our questions on other human-beings or their

works like varahmihiras' or parasaras'. However, a

fault made is a fault rectified.

Further, with reference to your mail, there are two

distinct points:

1.The question of basis of Jyotish as Sun or Jupiter

may not be approached by viewing God as Nirankaara or

Nirakaara form because we can compare only when we

distinguish the two forms of God as Sun and Jupiter,

for sake of learning jyotish in this context.

 

2.Since Sun alone is the significator of first house

which represents Sahsraar Chakra, he represents all

creation. Third eye chakra which is represented by

jupiter, is said to make us a constant observer of

this creation through cause-and-effect principle.

 

Lastly, in lack of convincing universal arguments as

well as direct observation/experience in support of

either SUN or JUPITER as basis for giving jyotish, I

would continue to follow my natural propensities in

this matter as everybody else.

 

regards,

nitish

 

--- Sanjay Rath <vyasa wrote:

>

> ~Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya~

> Dear Nitish,

>

> The name of this list is Varahamihira because I

> admire his genius as a Jyotish, author, poet,

> grammarian, astronomer, mathematician, geologist,

> medical doctor, healer...the list is endless. He

> worshipped Surya because he was a 'Magha-Brahmana'

> i.e. from Magadha. Magadha and Kalinga (modern Bihar

> & Orissa). Jyotish comes from 3 deities representing

> the 3 eyes as it is light that helps us to see. The

> karaka for sight is the Sun God and hence the Maha

> Narayana Upanishad says

> Surye Jyotishi juhomi svaha

>

> How can any person be so learned in so many

> branches? Jaimini/Parasara explain that it is

> Jupiter that gives supreme intelligence (Dhi

> shakti). This Dhi shakti is the cause of Jupiter

> ruling the 'third eye' or the eye of wisdom.

>

> Coming back to the point, the three planets ruling

> the three eyes are the Sun (Right/male, left

> /female), Moon (vice versa) and Jupiter (third eye).

> The three deties Who gave this knowledge are Surya

> (Sun), Shiva (Moon) and Vishnu (Jupiter). Vasistha

> learnt this knowledge from Bhagavan Vishnu and

> passed it on. Parasara was devoted to Shiva and

> where does Varahamihira stand in front of Parasara

> in matters of finalising the entire shastra itself.

> Everybody after Parasara has only dabbled with

> rights and wrongs but stayed well within the

> paradigm set by the great seer.

>

> Now, did Parasara only worship Surya? Definitely

> not. The entire VISHNU PURANA is nothing but a

> discussion between Parasara and Maitreya and is full

> of Jyotish foundation. What gave Varahamihira such

> brilliance and wide learning - can only be Jupiter.

> So, worship is one thing (5th house) and ruling

> planet is an other (Lagna).

> I don't see any conflict in my recitation of the

> Savitur gayatri with the Brihaspati gayatri and the

> Vishnu gayatri to be ended with the Mrityunjaya

> mantra..why should I grumble if either of the forms

> of god is willing to give me some knowledge.

> Whichever form gives me the inspiration, for me He

> is Nirankaara Parama guru, for guru is Nirankaara.

>

> Thus light has three definitions -

> 1.physical sight caused by the glowing Sun,

> 2. next mental sight caused by reflecting on the

> various thoughts and visions that are caused by

> physical sight ruled by the Moon that reflects light

> the physical light of the Sun in different tones and

> quantity and shades.

> 3. finally the third is the spiritual light coming

> from Him Whose face is hidden behind the Sun - the

> spiritual light.

>

> With best regards & your post was very thought

> provoking,

> Sanjay Rath

>

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> Nitish Arya

> varahamihira

> Monday, March 31, 2003 5:16 PM

> Re: [sJC: Varahamihira] Re: Jupiter and

> Jyotisha

>

>

> Hi all,

> I would put my point of view on this discussion,

> without any intention to disregard any other

> persons'

> knowledge, for I am as well learning through the

> process.

> Since the name of this list is " varahmihira " , its

> of

> great importance to understand the reasons for

> varahmihira in the " brihat jataka " to offer a prayer

> to sun-god in the starting verse! The stature of the

> person, which is as well indicative of the desire

> that

> might have been behind it for years/births, and the

> great work done by him should be good enough

> starting

> point in reasoning and put things in right

> perspective. Why should the prayer be addressed to

> sun-god and not to rest of planetary/mythological

> deities in a treatise on jyotish?

> Again, jyotish is jyoti+ishwara and the only

> self-luminous graha/light is sun. Who else can

> tell/guide us better in this science of light than

> Sun

> god, who is light himself, something, that we are

> trying to see through our consciousness, if only

> seeing is important?

> Just like guidance to see light is different than

> being light itself. Jupiter as deva-guru is a guide

> to

> see all that is light, through discrimination, but

> jupiter is not jyotish. Sun is jyotish/light itself

> and hence " superior " to be prayed to see!!! Somebody

> who is of the nature of light itself, doesn't need

> any

> external aid to know about himself unless that light

> is clouded by rahu and if light is clouded, seeing

> takes relative importance over being!!! This cloud

> of

> thought and hence ego, and as intuition is

> sensitized

> thought (sensitized through light of consciousness),

> jupiter is the only ray of hope for most of us in

> this

> Yuga.

> regards,

> nitish

>

>

> --- Sarajit Poddar <sarajit wrote:

> > Jaya Jagannath,

> > Dear Lakshmi,

> >

> > First of all, I just like put a word of caution.

> > Sentences like, " don't you know that " etc. should

> > not be used in this forum. There is nothing

> > personal. Everyone is here to discuss and learn.

> No

> > body is putting you down and you need not put

> > anybody down. Its everyone's responsibilty to

> > maintain decorum in this forum.

> >

> > Now you will find many intelligent fellows in

> > different segment of lives. Intelligence here is a

> > very broad term. Many take intelligence to be

> > analytical, giving practical solutions in

> different

> > situations, ability to solve complex problems etc.

> > Thus we note here that intelligence in common

> > parlance means a lots of things and we need to

> > differentiate between the what is meant by

> > intelligence in the context of Jyotish.

> >

> > Intelligence in Jyotish is the ability to

> > discriminate or discern the truth from untruth.

> The

> > ability which takes us to the right path and

> > ultimately to the path of moksha. Now this is only

> > governed by the Devaguru Brhaspati. If Jupiter is

> > weak, even if the person is intelligent (in normal

> > parlance), he can be completely away from the true

> > path. You are right in giving the Sun its due by

> > emphasing its karakatva of the Lagna and the Eyes

> of

> > the Purusha. Yes there is a relation of Sun with

> > Jyotisha as the power of Agni is required for a

> > person to see the past and future (I guess we

> don't

> > have disagreement here). Moreover Sun is also a

> > significator of this divine science and there is

> no

> > doubt about that. However without the Blessings of

> > Jupiter a strong Sun will lack direction. Such

> > knowledge will not be use for the mankind. This is

> > not all, Jupiter being the akash tattva planet is

> > the only guide to the Intuition, which can only

> tap

> > the infinite resources of the resplendant Sun.

> When

> > I stated that, the knowledge of Jyotish can only

> be

> > given by Jupiter, I meant that.... the knowledge

> as

> > a boon to the mankind. Now do you know such

> > knowledge can also be given by Rahu.... what a

> > relation, both Jupiter and Rahu aspects the 5th

> and

> > 9th. However the only difference is that Jupiter

> > gives the knowledge by connecting you to the

> highest

> > realm of knowledge, however Rahu gives it by

> making

> > the person a sort of psychic.

> >

> > Without the blessings of Jupiter, even if the

> person

> > understands what is going to happen, he will not

> be

> > able to guide the person. Thats what I meant by

> what

> > I said. Otherwise Jyotish can be given by Venus,

> > Mars, Mercury, Ketu as well.... all are there in

> the

> > shastras. However, thats not the point...

> >

>

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