Saturn--is this the most karmic planet or what?

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[vedic astrology] Re: Saturn--is this the most karmic planet or what?

We as a family have faced/ facing three Saturn dasas. Saturn's suffering just has no end...and sometimes you seem to think that the suffering might just cause you turn in the wrong direction and lose faith. Rgds,NCGvedic astrology , "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear Prakash:> > My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I think > this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--functional > benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in the > most auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have happened > to me in the antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is > like an guardian angel for me, whatever mess I get myself into, > Jupiter miraculously gets me out of that mess.> > However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues to > be very karmic. > > I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and in my opinion, > Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar system--it > never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is bad.> > One other thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results JUST > as the Saturn antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my butt > just as its period is ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.> > My birth data: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India.> > Mukund> > vedic astrology , Prakash Narayanan <rcnp> > wrote:> > Dear Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means you have karmic > issues related to children, your love life or romance. Also we need > to look at the position of Jupiter in the chart. I also have the > aspect of Saturn on my 11 th house from Arudha lagna which is my > lagna itself. > > Thanks!Prakash.> > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:> > > > My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in > > Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this helps.> > > > Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for me, but per Sanjay's > > postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha Lagna makes > > one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects > > 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.> > > > Mukund> > > > vedic astrology , Prakash Narayanan > <rcnp> > > wrote:> > > Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the > > placement of your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a > > scorpio ascendent and i have saturn in the 7th house vargottama. > > Thanks!Prakash.> > > > > > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,> > > > > > You are right on point!!> > > > > > SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a very > > good > > > friend of mine without getting her anything out of it. More than > > that > > > Mr. Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and poor she > > believed > > > in him and really expected that her husband's life would change > > > completely by wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power (What a > > > joke!) Kavach...> > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not have much clue about astrology then to > > guide > > > her to not go the short route Mr. Choudhry and gang were > professing.> > > > > > I really wish there could be some way of stopping this mischief > > with > > > Vedic Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely believe that it is > a > > > setup created by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big bucks! I must > > say > > > even I was a bit lured to that side when I was a fresher. I read > > how > > > simple it was and what else would a beginner in a subject as > > complex > > > as astrology need? However, experience on their forum for about 3-> 4 > > > months told me that none of the predictions the members were > doing > > on > > > the forum came true. So I just dropped it and started learning > > > conventional astrology. I think one of the reasons why people go > to > > > SA is because the professor make it seem very simple and he makes > > it > > > sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted their lifetimes in > > > emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the only > one > > > with all the wisdom in the world...> > > > > > I am sorry for sounding a bit rude, but this SA thing really > rolls > > on > > > my heads.> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > > Rageshwari.> > > > > > vedic astrology , "monmuk111" > > <monmuk111> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear friends:> > > > > > > > Are you guys talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've > > sincerely > > > > with an open mind tried to study the Systems approach and I > > > geniunely > > > > feels that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give you > an > > > > example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the > most > > > > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a > > > > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle > > applies > > > > in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of > > > Saturn, > > > > my life turns upside down. > > > > > > > > Now, when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for > > Scorpio > > > > ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.> > > > > > > > I tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts > of > > my > > > > family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made > > per > > > > Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the > life > > of > > > > my friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea > and > > > > predictions apply.> > > > > > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not > > sure > > > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only > commenting > > > on > > > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.> > > > > > > > M.Desai> > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Punit Pandey > > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr. Visti,> > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > > > > > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal > > kitab, > > > > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has > > taken > > > > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this > > > > system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see > four > > > > major differences from parashari astrology -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house division (western one)> > > > > > > > > > 2. User of SUB theory> > > > > > > > > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet > > gives > > > > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.> > > > > > > > > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was > used > > > by > > > > Parashara himself)> > > > > > > > > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less > on > > > > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha > > > system > > > > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for > > > Nakshatra, > > > > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way. > And > > as > > > > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic > > > astrologers > > > > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division > system) > > > does > > > > not match with vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Although I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for > > > > discussing this topic but in my opinion even KP should be part > of > > > > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to hurt anyone. We > must > > > > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is possible. If > we > > > will > > > > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists opposing astrology > > > without > > > > trying to understand it. Even some vedic astrologers are using > > > > principles similar to KP in some way or other to improve > > > predicitons. > > > > In my opinion KP with divisional charts and some more dasas > might > > > > become next step in astrology. And it is only possible if we > will > > > > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic sounding > systems > > > of > > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > It will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of all > > > Gurus. > > > > I also want to know whether anything build/developed/invented > on > > > the > > > > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology or > > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna------------> --> > --> > > --> > > > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even within > > > vedic > > > > astrology, the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who > > follow > > > > Parasari strictly understand that the nodes must always be > mean, > > > and > > > > not true, to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by > > > implication > > > > of this, one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow > > > this. > > > > As for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of > > valid > > > > research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees > > from > > > > lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their > readings > > is > > > > much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because > > those > > > > natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up their > > own > > > > rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara > wanted > > it > > > > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar basis.. > > > namely > > > > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into > > the > > > > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system of > > > > astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish > > and > > > > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have no > > > doubt > > > > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an > > > > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to > > > confirm > > > > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply not > > > > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy > > to > > > > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may > > flow > > > > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope > > this > > > > helps.Best wishes> > > > > Visti> > > > > ---> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- > Original > > > > Message ----- Punit Pandey vedic-> > > astrology > > > > Friday, April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-> > astrology] > > > > Re: accuracy in time of birth> > > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that > > Jaimini, > > > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to > vedic > > > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts' > > > comments. > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna> > > > > dear punit> > > > > > > > > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is > > > > written > > > > > in bold letters. i hope you understand> > > > > regards> > > > > partha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology , Punit Pandey > > > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All KP Experts,> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. > Today > > we > > > > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all > > predictions > > > > > based on KP System. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no > > > consensus > > > > on > > > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer > programs, > > > > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks > at > > > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub > > > lords > > > > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord > (cuspal > > > sub > > > > > lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???> > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate. > At > > > > least > > > > > lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them > > > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >