Guest guest Posted May 11, 2003 Report Share Posted May 11, 2003 Dear Chandrashekhar, That’s an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturn’s “unrevealed” spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbha…could there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. ----- Original Message ----- Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and guru’s placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbha’s lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiter’s vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2003 Report Share Posted May 12, 2003 Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah Dear Sanjay, Thank you for taking the time and giving us this long exposition on Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, namely, Sun, Moon and Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible and you have cleared my doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru will grant all the knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers when placed in Kumbha, it has to protect itself from the malefic effects of Saturn constantly and face the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or congenital defect that it carries with itself when placed in this sign. The effect of this maleficence and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement of Aquarius and its lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the protection of the dhi becomes very crucial. Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, and especially during difficult transits and dashas. Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and likens it to its placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite clear that such a placement will make the native malicious, devoid of intelligence, ill disposed and interested in evil jobs. Santhanam’s comments are interesting. He says that Jupiter in Kumbha will surely give the good results of Cancer but in addition, it “suffers the Saturnine stigma”. He also gives the results of Jupiter in Kumbha for each of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for Aquarius lagna, Jupiter’s placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated by Kalyana Verma. Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold Jupiter to be a paapa graha for Kumbha Lagna. I suppose that’s where the prescription of the single bow to the trident holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam speaks of mixed results and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to be protected and guarded from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise the dhi will be misused, obfuscated or lost. Best regards, Sarbani Sanjay Rath [srath] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:39 PM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Chandrasekhar ji, Sarbani & Raji (can I call you that) & Jyotisha, A deeper understanding of Lagna, Paka & AL The progress of Jupiter through signs has been given vital importance in Jyotish as man is a spiritual being having material experiences and this interaction between the atma and the body occurs through the paka lagna for which the karaka (significator) is Jupiter. Jupiter filters the thoughts that send impulses to the atma and the atma replies. Jupiter is the real representative of God as he does the filtering and cleansing of thoughts because of which the atma is capable of continued existance within the body. If Jupiter did not do the filtering and cleansing of thoughts and all were allowed to be experienced by the atma, then every soul that has incarnated as the selfish human being form will die within a few years. It is for this reason that Jupiter gives long life and is capable of averting apamrityu and all sorts of evils and is a karaka for so many houses..all good houses. Have you wondered as to why Maharishis could live for a thousand years and we mortals stay for a few decades. It is the strength of their Jupiter. This is the mark of intelligence and God is defined in Jyotish as the supreme intelligence. Not when Jupiter proceeds through the zodiac, there are two planets that have the lordship over the Tara (stars literally and implying the nakshatra). The *real* or *legitimate* lord is Jupiter or God as He alone has the supreme intelligence and the *illegitimate* lord is the Moon. At any point of time, both Jupiter and Moon try their level best to influence the lagna (individual intelligence). The Moon shows the active conscious mind that is drawing various impulses from the interaction of the senses and sense oegans and is passing this information with the filter of desire (what impulses it liked and what it considered as not so good and what are bad) to the lagna through the Arudha Lagna for which it is the Karaka. Similtaneously Jupiter who knows everything having the memory of billions of years of existance of life on earth knows what impulse gives what action and finally what karmic results, and like the wise minster/compassionate and kind God, advises the lagna through the Paka lagna (for which it is the karaka). Now that the lagna has got the input from the Moon through its desire filter and from Jupiter through its memory, supreme intelligence and goodness filter, the lagna has to take a decision. The lagna (individual intelligence) takes millions of decisions everyday. The Lagna consults its own intelligence, own memory and own nature (Sun Karaka) and arrives at a decision. Most of the time the decision is not perfect as the Sun lacks the supreme goodness of Jupiter and has an element of 'ahamkara' associated with its intelligence. More often the lagna tends to approve the decisions of the Moon (conscious mind) ignoring the good advise of Jupiter. Not that the Moon always gives bad advise, but its vision is very limited and sometimes it is in harmony with that from Jupiter and at other times, it is in sakata and other relations with Jupiter. The best situation is one called Gajakesari. Jupiter in signs & stars Keeping in mind that Jupiter is to represent the supreme intelligence, let us examine its position is some signs. In Kumbha Jupiter will be in a situation where Guru Brihaspati (Jupiter) is teaching Saturn (lord of Aquarius) about how to do his work (Aquarius is Moolatrikona of Saturn). For this we consult the Purana where Saturn wanted to learn the dharma shastra and approached Brihaspati. Initially Brihaspati explained the system in his ashram and the dakshina would be based on his judgment. On learning of the latters identity as 'Sanideva' Brihaspati was shocked and was prepared to teach everything and would not take any dakshina and begged that he be spared from sade-sati, kanataka and all those effects. Sanidev was adamant and insisted that he would give dakshina. So it was finally settled that the dakshina would be in the form of a reduced term of sadesati. Brihaspati taught him all the dharma shastra and Sanidev became the Dharmaraja having the complete knowledge of the implementation of justice (that is why the balance Libra is the ninth house from Aquarius). Brihaspati knew that Sani would pay his dakshina within the year as was the practise then, and as was his practise, always protected his body, mind and soul with the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. One day as he plucked flowers for his daily worship, the royal couple were in the neighbourhood and the prince (Mercury) entered the garden to play. The prince was missing after sometime and a frantic search yeilded nothing. The guards reported to the king that a divine person, glowing with spiritual light was collecting flowers and they saw blood dripping through the basket. The king ordered that the person (Brihaspati) be brought to him and told the guards not to harm him as it would be most unwise to even touch such a personality before ascertaining the truth. The wise king knew the danger to his kingdom if such great spiritual personalities are hurt. The severed head of the prince was in the basket and blood was dripping from the neck (note: chinna mastaka or cut-head is the mark of Rahu). Brihaspati was shocked and truthfully pleaded his innocense. But the evidence clearly visible pointed against him, so he was held captive but was not tortured and the search continued. Brihaspati realised that this was the effect of his sade-sati saturn and made a silent prayer to the deity of saturn (Lord Shiva here as the great destroyer {One vesha is Nataraja - the destroyer of the demon Maya or illusion and untruth). The period ended then and there and suddenly everyone saw that what looked like the head of the prince was just the watermelon and the red fluid was not blood and instead was the red water melon juice. The prince was found... Now look at the Jyotish lessons in this: (1) When Saturn causes sade-sati, or kantaka or has a bad dasa, and the dosha (error) is to be caused by the hand of extra-terrestrial forces, then it is called 'Adrista agantuta roga'. Prasna Marga advises us to look at the badhak for this (as the object or the cause). For the signs of Jupiter, Mercury is the badhak lord (Pisces - Virgo badhak, lord Merc and Sagittarius - Gemini badhak, lord Merc). That why the problem cause was related to Mercury the PRINCE. This can also be related to planets in badhak house. The difference is that in the case of badhak lord, we take the natual significations whereas in the case of planets in the badhak house, we see the lordships of there planets w.r.t. lagna. (2) The *visible* or produced evidence against Jupiter shall be seen from Rahu. In general Rahu indicates a severed head, and that evidence was shown to the king against Brihaspati. Look at the sign occupied by Rahu to see the nature of the evidence as dhatu, moola and jiva as well as the the chara karaka status of Rahu. The Arudha Padas conjoined Rahu shall indicate the people who will give the evidence. (3) Parasara teaches that if Jupiter is strong and alone in Lagna, then a single bow to the weilder of the Trishula shall destroy a thousand sins. In this episode narrated in the Purana we see how such a prayer (to the lord of Sani - Vayu tatva- Lord Shiva) by Brihaspati ended the entire problem. (4) Kalyana Verma teaches that if Jupiter is strong in Lagna then the native is always protected by the 'Chakradhara'. In this episode we see how Brihaspati is always proteced by the three mantras of the Narayana Kavacha. This is the abhedana kavacha. The Intelligence application Intelligence is that which guides the mind in a direction that protects (trai) it from any harm to 1) the body (Tana) like apamrityu, mrityu, roga etc, this is called Tantra as composed of Tana & trai 2) the mind(mana) or itself from various mental turmoil and diseases and is called Mantra as composed of Mana & Trai and, 3) the soul from of further sin by restraining it (Yantri) by the use of mystical diagrams and other symbolic apparatus/ instruments and the process of prana-pratistha etc. Coming to the point of how this intelligence works, a lot depends on what the lagna is when Jupiter is in Aquairus. In general the traits of Saturn's office as detatched thinking, ignoring pain and suffering and viewing this with the eyes of a stoic, pondering beyond known limits for any serious question thereby arriving at very original solutions etc. Sometimes they may seem most cold blooded as this can be caused by their ability to supress and ignore pain (like Rambo in the movie). Saturn is an old planet and Jupiter in this sign indicates the intelligence used is like that of old men - with lots of experience, memory, philosophy and thinking going into it. The ability to ponder causes Brahma yoga and the best of philosophers, scientists, mathematical genius minds (not computation ability but astract mathematics) are shown in this sign with the influence of Jupiter. Because of the nodal influence (rebirth-Rahu/Saturn & death/moksha -Mars & Ketu), Juiter in Aquarius or Scorpio gives considerable ability for astrology. The big difference with Capricorn is that the Saturn is a worker and is bad at home. His worst qualities show up when he is at home. That is why he likes to go away from home (gets digbala in 7th house), is very down to eath and demands total physical evidence of the existance of God and things like that. The intellect refuses to believe anything or anybody without at least adequate circumstantial evidence whereas Aquarius is an airy sign and is very intellectual. Jupiter here gives the ability to mentally exert themselves...you have to think in these lines to fully understand the effect of th various navamsas in Aquarius etc. With best wishes & regards, I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- -----Original Message----- Rajeswari Shankar [rajeswarishankar] Monday, May 12, 2003 4:21 AM To: vedic astrology RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Hi List, Namaste Mine is pieces lagna & lagna lord jupiter is in kumbha(12th place). Any comments welcome!! Thanks Raji Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: Dear Chandrashekhar, Thats an interesting point about Mars and Saturn. I agree with you, but I was trying to fine-tune the point regarding Saturn. Saturn does not reveal, yes. Saturn pertains to meditation, yes. But could Saturns unrevealed spiritual practice be negative? It was a just a question which arose in a discussion with someone on guru in kumbhacould there be another way of looking at it? One that is not so positive? Best regards, Sarbani Chandrashekhar [boxdel] Monday, May 12, 2003 12:37 AM To: vedic astrology Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sarbani, If I may intterupt,Kumbha is MoolTrikona of Saturn.Saturn is a planet of deep thinking and when any kind of association is made by him with Jupiter(Religion), the Jataka would be inclined towards religious philosophy. Moreover one will observe that such a Jataka might not be much into ritual part of religion but more interested in the dhnyana of religion. Usually rituals are done by one who has Mars to play a role as Mars is also related with Dambha as well as external show. Please do not misunderstand that I am implying that those who practice rituals are Dambhika. It is just the external manifestation of observance of Dharma and so related to Mars. One will find Mars playing a role, when some body speaks of his/her religious experiences like Kundalini jagruti openly, whereas those with Saturn will rarely reveal what they have experienced. Of course this is my observation from purey astrological point of view and sanjayji might like to comment on my reasoning. Chandrashekhar. ----- Original Message ----- Sarbani Sarkar vedic astrology ; varahamihira Sunday, May 11, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Dear Sanjay, You wrote: [Rath:] Kumbha Rasi is philosophical because of the dual ownership of hardworking Saturn and Rahu, but Rahu is definitely not philosophical. Jupiter indicates the area of life a person applies his intelligence as Jupiter rules Dhi shakti. So, if Guru is in Kumbha rasi, the intelligence is applied to philosophical thought. If Guru is in mina rasi, the intelligence is applied to thoughts regarding moksha, nirvana, pram padam etc. That is why parasara says that when Guru is in Mina in lagna the person gets moksha. This is not to be literally applied but a study of divisions etc has to be seen also. In this manner Guru in Dhanus Rasi gives the application of intelligence in dharma. One has learnt that Kumbha is a philosophical rashi and gurus placement there is almost akin to exaltation. How do we reconcile this to Kumbhas lords, the fact that Saturn and Rahu bear such enmity towards guru; that Saturn is the only one who debilitates Jupiter and Rahu can cloud Jupiters vision and obstruct his path like none other. Is such a placement (Jupiter in kumbha) bhava specific? So many people have Jupiter in kumbha, are they all philosophical? Or is such dhi shakti capable of being affected by Saturn or Rahu? 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 ||Om brihaspataye namah||Dear Sarbanicomments below:With best wishes & regards,I remainSanjay Rath--------Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, IndiaTel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com-Original Message-----Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani]Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PMvedic astrology ; VarahamihiraRE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in KumbhaOm Suragurubrihaspataye Namah Dear Sanjay, Thank you for taking the time and giving us this long exposition on Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, namely, Sun, Moon and Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible and you have cleared my doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru will grant all the knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers when placed in Kumbha, it has to protect itself from the malefic effects of Saturn constantly and face the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or congenital defect that it carries with itself when placed in this sign. The effect of this maleficence and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement of Aquarius and its lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the protection of the dhi becomes very crucial. [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of God and represents Bhagavan in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has confirmed this). So, the supreme intelligence is telling the lagna something and whether the lagna is listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The intelligence of Jupiter does not get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact such a placement is the great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad every 12 years as Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what is the variable factor and this is dependant on the lagna. Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, and especially during difficult transits and dashas. [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence of Jupiter?? Are you suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or Jupiter needs protection - lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and he is well protected. It is our lagna that needs protection and when we recite the Narayana Kavacha, we are protected. Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and likens it to its placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite clear that such a placement will make the native malicious, devoid of intelligence, ill disposed and interested in evil jobs.[Rath:] Good results of the placement and some demerits coming due to excessive application of the mind in a particular direction are separate issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give exceptionally good results. The thinking is different. Yes some of those qualities are also seen in the persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends on lagna. Santhanam’s comments are interesting. He says that Jupiter in Kumbha will surely give the good results of Cancer but in addition, it “suffers the Saturnine stigma”. He also gives the results of Jupiter in Kumbha for each of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for Aquarius lagna, Jupiter’s placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated by Kalyana Verma. [Rath:] I take all that with a pinch of salt. There are three factors involved here - Lagna (karaka Sun), AL (karaka Moon) and Paka (karaka Jupiter). By looking at one factor we cannot say that the person has all the bad qualities. Then what happens to Parasara and Kalyan verma's dictum about the blessing caused by Jupiter in lagna. Shall we infer that Kalyan Verma has contradicted himself or there is some error in the translation or maybe the translation needs a deeper explanation. Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold Jupiter to be a paapa graha for Kumbha Lagna. [Rath:] Jupiter is not a paapa graha. He is a neutral as per standard sambandha rules. Placement of saturn is important. If you get into the mood to quote please give me the sanskrit. Also pl check if it say paapa or asubha. I suppose that’s where the prescription of the single bow to the trident holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam speaks of mixed results and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to be protected and guarded from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise the dhi will be misused, obfuscated or lost. [Rath:] Sarbani Jupiter is protected as he is constantly reciting the three mantras of the Narayana kavacha. We (lagna/lagnesh) need to have his blessings and emulate him for protection. Best regards, Sarbani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Sanjay, I don’t think there is any doubt in my mind whatsoever about the positive aspects of Jupiter’s placement in Kumbha. In fact, it was the other way round. I always harboured a rosy-eyed picture of such a placement, and thought it was all good. Since my own Jupiter is in Kumbha, I used to be pleased as punch. It is only much later that I realized that things might not be as they seem. I think I used the wrong words to express my thoughts or maybe you have clarified it further. It is the lagna, which has to listen to Jupiter, and it is the lagna, which needs protection. Not Jupiter, as he represents the divine in each chart. Therefore, it is dependant on the lagna how it receives and filters the messages received from Jupiter. Therefore, Jupiter’s placement in Kumbha will be fully felt or benefited dependant upon the lagna of the native. Best regards, Sarbani Sanjay Rath [srath] Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:54 PM varahamihira RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha ||Om brihaspataye namah|| Dear Sarbani comments below: With best wishes & regards, I remain Sanjay Rath -------- Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com -------- -----Original Message----- Sarbani Sarkar [sarbani] Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PM To: vedic astrology ; Varahamihira RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah Dear Sanjay, Thank you for taking the time and giving us this long exposition on Lagna, Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, namely, Sun, Moon and Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible and you have cleared my doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru will grant all the knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers when placed in Kumbha, it has to protect itself from the malefic effects of Saturn constantly and face the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or congenital defect that it carries with itself when placed in this sign. The effect of this maleficence and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement of Aquarius and its lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the protection of the dhi becomes very crucial. [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of God and represents Bhagavan in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has confirmed this). So, the supreme intelligence is telling the lagna something and whether the lagna is listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The intelligence of Jupiter does not get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact such a placement is the great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad every 12 years as Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what is the variable factor and this is dependant on the lagna. Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, and especially during difficult transits and dashas. [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence of Jupiter?? Are you suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or Jupiter needs protection - lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and he is well protected. It is our lagna that needs protection and when we recite the Narayana Kavacha, we are protected. Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and likens it to its placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite clear that such a placement will make the native malicious, devoid of intelligence, ill disposed and interested in evil jobs. [Rath:] Good results of the placement and some demerits coming due to excessive application of the mind in a particular direction are separate issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give exceptionally good results. The thinking is different. Yes some of those qualities are also seen in the persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends on lagna. Santhanam’s comments are interesting. He says that Jupiter in Kumbha will surely give the good results of Cancer but in addition, it “suffers the Saturnine stigma”. He also gives the results of Jupiter in Kumbha for each of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for Aquarius lagna, Jupiter’s placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated by Kalyana Verma. [Rath:] I take all that with a pinch of salt. There are three factors involved here - Lagna (karaka Sun), AL (karaka Moon) and Paka (karaka Jupiter). By looking at one factor we cannot say that the person has all the bad qualities. Then what happens to Parasara and Kalyan verma's dictum about the blessing caused by Jupiter in lagna. Shall we infer that Kalyan Verma has contradicted himself or there is some error in the translation or maybe the translation needs a deeper explanation. Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold Jupiter to be a paapa graha for Kumbha Lagna. [Rath:] Jupiter is not a paapa graha. He is a neutral as per standard sambandha rules. Placement of saturn is important. If you get into the mood to quote please give me the sanskrit. Also pl check if it say paapa or asubha. I suppose that’s where the prescription of the single bow to the trident holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam speaks of mixed results and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to be protected and guarded from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise the dhi will be misused, obfuscated or lost. [Rath:] Sarbani Jupiter is protected as he is constantly reciting the three mantras of the Narayana kavacha. We (lagna/lagnesh) need to have his blessings and emulate him for protection. Best regards, Sarbani |Om Tat Sat| http://www.varahamihira Your use of is subject to the Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear sanjay ji, Could you also please elaborate on placement of jupiter in Leo? Further, all the planets except rahu and ketu are devatas and represent different avataras of vishnu, why should only jupiter be considered divine? regards, nitish --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Dear Sanjay, > > I don't think there is any doubt in my mind > whatsoever about the positive > aspects of Jupiter's placement in Kumbha. In fact, > it was the other way > round. I always harboured a rosy-eyed picture of > such a placement, and > thought it was all good. Since my own Jupiter is in > Kumbha, I used to be > pleased as punch. It is only much later that I > realized that things might > not be as they seem. I think I used the wrong words > to express my thoughts > or maybe you have clarified it further. It is the > lagna, which has to listen > to Jupiter, and it is the lagna, which needs > protection. Not Jupiter, as he > represents the divine in each chart. Therefore, it > is dependant on the lagna > how it receives and filters the messages received > from Jupiter. Therefore, > Jupiter's placement in Kumbha will be fully felt or > benefited dependant upon > the lagna of the native. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > Sanjay Rath [srath] > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:54 PM > varahamihira > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru > in Kumbha > > > > ||Om brihaspataye namah|| > Dear Sarbani > comments below: > With best wishes & regards, > I remain > Sanjay Rath > -------- > Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com > <http://srath.com/> > -------- > > Sarbani Sarkar > [sarbani] > Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PM > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru > in Kumbha > Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah > > Dear Sanjay, > > Thank you for taking the time and giving us this > long exposition on Lagna, > Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, > namely, Sun, Moon and > Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible > and you have cleared my > doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru > will grant all the > knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers > when placed in Kumbha, it > has to protect itself from the malefic effects of > Saturn constantly and face > the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or > congenital defect that it > carries with itself when placed in this sign. The > effect of this maleficence > and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement > of Aquarius and its > lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the > protection of the dhi > becomes very crucial. > [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of God > and represents Bhagavan > in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has confirmed > this). So, the supreme > intelligence is telling the lagna something and > whether the lagna is > listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The > intelligence of Jupiter does not > get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact such > a placement is the > great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad > every 12 years as > Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what is > the variable factor and > this is dependant on the lagna. > > Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, > and especially during > difficult transits and dashas. > [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence of > Jupiter?? Are you > suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or Jupiter > needs protection - > lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and he > is well protected. It is > our lagna that needs protection and when we recite > the Narayana Kavacha, we > are protected. > > Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and > likens it to its > placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite > clear that such a placement > will make the native malicious, devoid of > intelligence, ill disposed and > interested in evil jobs. > [Rath:] Good results of the placement and some > demerits coming due to > excessive application of the mind in a particular > direction are separate > issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give > exceptionally good results. The > thinking is different. Yes some of those qualities > are also seen in the > persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends on > lagna. > > Santhanam's comments are interesting. He says that > Jupiter in Kumbha will > surely give the good results of Cancer but in > addition, it " suffers the > Saturnine stigma " . He also gives the results of > Jupiter in Kumbha for each > of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for > Aquarius lagna, Jupiter's > placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated > by Kalyana Verma. > [Rath:] I take all that with a pinch of salt. There > are three factors > involved here - Lagna (karaka Sun), AL (karaka Moon) > and Paka (karaka > Jupiter). By looking at one factor we cannot say > that the person has all the > bad qualities. Then what happens to Parasara and > Kalyan verma's dictum about > the blessing caused by Jupiter in lagna. Shall we > infer that Kalyan Verma > has contradicted himself or there is some error in > the translation or maybe > the translation needs a deeper explanation. > > Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold > Jupiter to be a paapa > graha for Kumbha Lagna. > [Rath:] Jupiter is not a paapa graha. He is a > neutral as per standard > sambandha rules. Placement of saturn is important. > If you get into the mood > to quote please give me the sanskrit. Also pl check > if it say paapa or > asubha. > > I suppose that's where the prescription of the > single bow to the trident > holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam > speaks of mixed results > and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to > be protected and guarded > from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise > the dhi will be misused, > obfuscated or lost. > [Rath:] Sarbani Jupiter is protected as he is > constantly reciting the three > mantras of the Narayana kavacha. We (lagna/lagnesh) > need to have his > blessings and emulate him for protection. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Nitish, Rahu is Varaha Avatar and Ketu is Matsya. So all the 9 grahas represent one avatar each. The Lagna represent the Kalki avatar, the 10th one. Best Wishes Sarajit - "Nitish Arya" <yeeahoo_99 <varahamihira > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:20 PM RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha > Dear sanjay ji,> Could you also please elaborate on placement of> jupiter in Leo? Further, all the planets except rahu> and ketu are devatas and represent different avataras> of vishnu, why should only jupiter be considered> divine?> regards,> nitish> --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote:> > Dear Sanjay,> > > > I don't think there is any doubt in my mind> > whatsoever about the positive> > aspects of Jupiter's placement in Kumbha. In fact,> > it was the other way> > round. I always harboured a rosy-eyed picture of> > such a placement, and> > thought it was all good. Since my own Jupiter is in> > Kumbha, I used to be> > pleased as punch. It is only much later that I> > realized that things might> > not be as they seem. I think I used the wrong words> > to express my thoughts> > or maybe you have clarified it further. It is the> > lagna, which has to listen> > to Jupiter, and it is the lagna, which needs> > protection. Not Jupiter, as he> > represents the divine in each chart. Therefore, it> > is dependant on the lagna> > how it receives and filters the messages received> > from Jupiter. Therefore,> > Jupiter's placement in Kumbha will be fully felt or> > benefited dependant upon> > the lagna of the native.> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sarbani> > > > > > Sanjay Rath [srath]> > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:54 PM> > varahamihira > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru> > in Kumbha> > > > > > > > ||Om brihaspataye namah||> > Dear Sarbani> > comments below:> > With best wishes & regards,> > I remain> > Sanjay Rath> >> --------> > Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India> > Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com> > <http://srath.com/>> >> --------> > > > Sarbani Sarkar> > [sarbani]> > Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PM> > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira> > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru> > in Kumbha> > Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah> > > > Dear Sanjay,> > > > Thank you for taking the time and giving us this> > long exposition on Lagna,> > Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas,> > namely, Sun, Moon and> > Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible> > and you have cleared my> > doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru> > will grant all the> > knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers> > when placed in Kumbha, it> > has to protect itself from the malefic effects of> > Saturn constantly and face> > the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or> > congenital defect that it> > carries with itself when placed in this sign. The> > effect of this maleficence> > and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement> > of Aquarius and its> > lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the> > protection of the dhi> > becomes very crucial.> > [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of God> > and represents Bhagavan> > in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has confirmed> > this). So, the supreme> > intelligence is telling the lagna something and> > whether the lagna is> > listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The> > intelligence of Jupiter does not> > get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact such> > a placement is the> > great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad> > every 12 years as> > Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what is> > the variable factor and> > this is dependant on the lagna.> > > > Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected,> > and especially during> > difficult transits and dashas.> > [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence of> > Jupiter?? Are you> > suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or Jupiter> > needs protection -> > lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and he> > is well protected. It is> > our lagna that needs protection and when we recite> > the Narayana Kavacha, we> > are protected.> > > > Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and> > likens it to its> > placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite> > clear that such a placement> > will make the native malicious, devoid of> > intelligence, ill disposed and> > interested in evil jobs.> > [Rath:] Good results of the placement and some> > demerits coming due to> > excessive application of the mind in a particular> > direction are separate> > issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give> > exceptionally good results. The> > thinking is different. Yes some of those qualities> > are also seen in the> > persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends on> > lagna.> > > > Santhanam's comments are interesting. He says that> > Jupiter in Kumbha will> > surely give the good results of Cancer but in> > addition, it "suffers the> > Saturnine stigma". He also gives the results of> > Jupiter in Kumbha for each> > of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for> > Aquarius lagna, Jupiter's> > placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated> > by Kalyana Verma.> > [Rath:] I take all that with a pinch of salt. There> > are three factors> > involved here - Lagna (karaka Sun), AL (karaka Moon)> > and Paka (karaka> > Jupiter). By looking at one factor we cannot say> > that the person has all the> > bad qualities. Then what happens to Parasara and> > Kalyan verma's dictum about> > the blessing caused by Jupiter in lagna. Shall we> > infer that Kalyan Verma> > has contradicted himself or there is some error in> > the translation or maybe> > the translation needs a deeper explanation.> > > > Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold> > Jupiter to be a paapa> > graha for Kumbha Lagna.> > [Rath:] Jupiter is not a paapa graha. He is a> > neutral as per standard> > sambandha rules. Placement of saturn is important.> > If you get into the mood> > to quote please give me the sanskrit. Also pl check> > if it say paapa or> > asubha.> > > > I suppose that's where the prescription of the> > single bow to the trident> > holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam> > speaks of mixed results> > and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to> > be protected and guarded> > from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise> > the dhi will be misused,> > obfuscated or lost.> > [Rath:] Sarbani Jupiter is protected as he is> > constantly reciting the three> > mantras of the Narayana kavacha. We (lagna/lagnesh)> > need to have his> > blessings and emulate him for protection.> > > > Best regards,> > > > Sarbani> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Dear Nitish, Sorry for jumping in. Rahu and Ketu also represent avatars of Vishnu, and Jupiter is perhaps called " divine " because he alone represents Akasa tattwa, which is infinite and all pervading. Btw, Guru in Kumbha reminds me of two great personalities, called Kumbha Sambhava " ... Sage Agastya and Dronacharya ! Regards, Lakshmi varahamihira , Nitish Arya <yeeahoo_99> wrote: > Dear sanjay ji, > Could you also please elaborate on placement of > jupiter in Leo? Further, all the planets except rahu > and ketu are devatas and represent different avataras > of vishnu, why should only jupiter be considered > divine? > regards, > nitish > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > I don't think there is any doubt in my mind > > whatsoever about the positive > > aspects of Jupiter's placement in Kumbha. In fact, > > it was the other way > > round. I always harboured a rosy-eyed picture of > > such a placement, and > > thought it was all good. Since my own Jupiter is in > > Kumbha, I used to be > > pleased as punch. It is only much later that I > > realized that things might > > not be as they seem. I think I used the wrong words > > to express my thoughts > > or maybe you have clarified it further. It is the > > lagna, which has to listen > > to Jupiter, and it is the lagna, which needs > > protection. Not Jupiter, as he > > represents the divine in each chart. Therefore, it > > is dependant on the lagna > > how it receives and filters the messages received > > from Jupiter. Therefore, > > Jupiter's placement in Kumbha will be fully felt or > > benefited dependant upon > > the lagna of the native. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [srath@s...] > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:54 PM > > varahamihira > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru > > in Kumbha > > > > > > > > ||Om brihaspataye namah|| > > Dear Sarbani > > comments below: > > With best wishes & regards, > > I remain > > Sanjay Rath > > > -- ------ > > Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > > Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com > > <http://srath.com/> > > > -- ------ > > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > [sarbani@s...] > > Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PM > > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru > > in Kumbha > > Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > Thank you for taking the time and giving us this > > long exposition on Lagna, > > Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, > > namely, Sun, Moon and > > Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible > > and you have cleared my > > doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru > > will grant all the > > knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers > > when placed in Kumbha, it > > has to protect itself from the malefic effects of > > Saturn constantly and face > > the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or > > congenital defect that it > > carries with itself when placed in this sign. The > > effect of this maleficence > > and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement > > of Aquarius and its > > lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the > > protection of the dhi > > becomes very crucial. > > [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of God > > and represents Bhagavan > > in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has confirmed > > this). So, the supreme > > intelligence is telling the lagna something and > > whether the lagna is > > listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The > > intelligence of Jupiter does not > > get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact such > > a placement is the > > great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad > > every 12 years as > > Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what is > > the variable factor and > > this is dependant on the lagna. > > > > Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, > > and especially during > > difficult transits and dashas. > > [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence of > > Jupiter?? Are you > > suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or Jupiter > > needs protection - > > lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and he > > is well protected. It is > > our lagna that needs protection and when we recite > > the Narayana Kavacha, we > > are protected. > > > > Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and > > likens it to its > > placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite > > clear that such a placement > > will make the native malicious, devoid of > > intelligence, ill disposed and > > interested in evil jobs. > > [Rath:] Good results of the placement and some > > demerits coming due to > > excessive application of the mind in a particular > > direction are separate > > issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give > > exceptionally good results. The > > thinking is different. Yes some of those qualities > > are also seen in the > > persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends on > > lagna. > > > > Santhanam's comments are interesting. He says that > > Jupiter in Kumbha will > > surely give the good results of Cancer but in > > addition, it " suffers the > > Saturnine stigma " . He also gives the results of > > Jupiter in Kumbha for each > > of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for > > Aquarius lagna, Jupiter's > > placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated > > by Kalyana Verma. > > [Rath:] I take all that with a pinch of salt. There > > are three factors > > involved here - Lagna (karaka Sun), AL (karaka Moon) > > and Paka (karaka > > Jupiter). By looking at one factor we cannot say > > that the person has all the > > bad qualities. Then what happens to Parasara and > > Kalyan verma's dictum about > > the blessing caused by Jupiter in lagna. Shall we > > infer that Kalyan Verma > > has contradicted himself or there is some error in > > the translation or maybe > > the translation needs a deeper explanation. > > > > Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold > > Jupiter to be a paapa > > graha for Kumbha Lagna. > > [Rath:] Jupiter is not a paapa graha. He is a > > neutral as per standard > > sambandha rules. Placement of saturn is important. > > If you get into the mood > > to quote please give me the sanskrit. Also pl check > > if it say paapa or > > asubha. > > > > I suppose that's where the prescription of the > > single bow to the trident > > holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam > > speaks of mixed results > > and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to > > be protected and guarded > > from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise > > the dhi will be misused, > > obfuscated or lost. > > [Rath:] Sarbani Jupiter is protected as he is > > constantly reciting the three > > mantras of the Narayana kavacha. We (lagna/lagnesh) > > need to have his > > blessings and emulate him for protection. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 §Om devaguru brihaspataye namah§ Dear lakshmi You got the point. The difference between human beings and other animals is the level of intelligence (Dhi shakti), and in the same argument, the difference between God and man should also be Dhi shakti. That is why the ONLY REAL THING to ask God is 'DHIyo yo nah prachodayaat'. And we know that Jupiter rules this Dhi shakti as taught by Parasara and all vedic astrologers. I also liked your note about vishnu avatars for Rahu and Ketu. Tirupati Balaji is the Varaha murti and all evil effects of Rahu, especially poverty will go with His blessings. Ketu also represents the Matsya avatara. Good notes over there. Have you listed out the ten forms of Lakshmi as the consort of these ten forms of Bhagavan? With best wishes & regards, Yours truly, Sanjay Rath ___ H-5 B J B Nagar, Bhubaneswar, India 751014 http://srath.com http://.org B Lakshmi Ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh] Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:23 AM varahamihira Re: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha Om Gurave Namah Dear Nitish, Sorry for jumping in. Rahu and Ketu also represent avatars of Vishnu, and Jupiter is perhaps called " divine " because he alone represents Akasa tattwa, which is infinite and all pervading. Btw, Guru in Kumbha reminds me of two great personalities, called Kumbha Sambhava " ... Sage Agastya and Dronacharya ! Regards, Lakshmi varahamihira , Nitish Arya <yeeahoo_99> wrote: > Dear sanjay ji, > Could you also please elaborate on placement of > jupiter in Leo? Further, all the planets except rahu > and ketu are devatas and represent different avataras > of vishnu, why should only jupiter be considered > divine? > regards, > nitish > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote: > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > I don't think there is any doubt in my mind > > whatsoever about the positive > > aspects of Jupiter's placement in Kumbha. In fact, > > it was the other way > > round. I always harboured a rosy-eyed picture of > > such a placement, and > > thought it was all good. Since my own Jupiter is in > > Kumbha, I used to be > > pleased as punch. It is only much later that I > > realized that things might > > not be as they seem. I think I used the wrong words > > to express my thoughts > > or maybe you have clarified it further. It is the > > lagna, which has to listen > > to Jupiter, and it is the lagna, which needs > > protection. Not Jupiter, as he > > represents the divine in each chart. Therefore, it > > is dependant on the lagna > > how it receives and filters the messages received > > from Jupiter. Therefore, > > Jupiter's placement in Kumbha will be fully felt or > > benefited dependant upon > > the lagna of the native. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > Sanjay Rath [srath@s...] > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:54 PM > > varahamihira > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru > > in Kumbha > > > > > > > > ||Om brihaspataye namah|| > > Dear Sarbani > > comments below: > > With best wishes & regards, > > I remain > > Sanjay Rath > > > -- ------ > > Mail: H-5 B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > > Tel:+91-674-2436871, Webpages: http://srath.com > > <http://srath.com/> > > > -- ------ > > > > Sarbani Sarkar > > [sarbani@s...] > > Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PM > > vedic astrology ; Varahamihira > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru > > in Kumbha > > Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > > > Thank you for taking the time and giving us this > > long exposition on Lagna, > > Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas, > > namely, Sun, Moon and > > Jupiter. What you say is perfectly comprehensible > > and you have cleared my > > doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru > > will grant all the > > knowledge and can produce the best of philosophers > > when placed in Kumbha, it > > has to protect itself from the malefic effects of > > Saturn constantly and face > > the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or > > congenital defect that it > > carries with itself when placed in this sign. The > > effect of this maleficence > > and obstructions will depend on the bhava placement > > of Aquarius and its > > lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius, the > > protection of the dhi > > becomes very crucial. > > [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of God > > and represents Bhagavan > > in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has confirmed > > this). So, the supreme > > intelligence is telling the lagna something and > > whether the lagna is > > listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The > > intelligence of Jupiter does not > > get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact such > > a placement is the > > great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad > > every 12 years as > > Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what is > > the variable factor and > > this is dependant on the lagna. > > > > Like a baby it has to be nurtured and protected, > > and especially during > > difficult transits and dashas. > > [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence of > > Jupiter?? Are you > > suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or Jupiter > > needs protection - > > lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and he > > is well protected. It is > > our lagna that needs protection and when we recite > > the Narayana Kavacha, we > > are protected. > > > > Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha and > > likens it to its > > placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite > > clear that such a placement > > will make the native malicious, devoid of > > intelligence, ill disposed and > > interested in evil jobs. > > [Rath:] Good results of the placement and some > > demerits coming due to > > excessive application of the mind in a particular > > direction are separate > > issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give > > exceptionally good results. The > > thinking is different. Yes some of those qualities > > are also seen in the > > persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends on > > lagna. > > > > Santhanam's comments are interesting. He says that > > Jupiter in Kumbha will > > surely give the good results of Cancer but in > > addition, it " suffers the > > Saturnine stigma " . He also gives the results of > > Jupiter in Kumbha for each > > of the Ascendants and the results vary, but for > > Aquarius lagna, Jupiter's > > placement will mature the adverse effects, indicated > > by Kalyana Verma. > > [Rath:] I take all that with a pinch of salt. There > > are three factors > > involved here - Lagna (karaka Sun), AL (karaka Moon) > > and Paka (karaka > > Jupiter). By looking at one factor we cannot say > > that the person has all the > > bad qualities. Then what happens to Parasara and > > Kalyan verma's dictum about > > the blessing caused by Jupiter in lagna. Shall we > > infer that Kalyan Verma > > has contradicted himself or there is some error in > > the translation or maybe > > the translation needs a deeper explanation. > > > > Most astrology books including the Suka Nadi hold > > Jupiter to be a paapa > > graha for Kumbha Lagna. > > [Rath:] Jupiter is not a paapa graha. He is a > > neutral as per standard > > sambandha rules. Placement of saturn is important. > > If you get into the mood > > to quote please give me the sanskrit. Also pl check > > if it say paapa or > > asubha. > > > > I suppose that's where the prescription of the > > single bow to the trident > > holder comes into play. To summarize, Santhanam > > speaks of mixed results > > and you are saying that Jupiter in Kumbha needs to > > be protected and guarded > > from Saturn and Rahu almost constantly; otherwise > > the dhi will be misused, > > obfuscated or lost. > > [Rath:] Sarbani Jupiter is protected as he is > > constantly reciting the three > > mantras of the Narayana kavacha. We (lagna/lagnesh) > > need to have his > > blessings and emulate him for protection. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sarbani > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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