Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste, This query is on similar grounds as the discussion on the SJC list about exaltation - I had asked a question that "how do we consider exaltation on planets to be good when it occurs in a dusthana in relation to the rasi lorded by them; ie JUP ( SAG/ CAN) & VEN (LIB/ PIS)" Hopefully, I will find some more thoughts for chewing in response to your query. My last mail on the subject is pasted below. Regards & best wishes, Shailesh Shailesh Chadha Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AM Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi, Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately, I am not fully satisfied. It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a better understanding that I am posing these questions. Let me explain the background of my original doubt. In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation. This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/ evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification? Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'. Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the native. I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on these points and studying to find my answeres. So, please excuse my rambling. Regards & best wishes, Shailesh - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:19 AM |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas Jaya Jagannath Dear Jyotisha, What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? Best Wishes Sarajit ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 5/7/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Sarajit, Planets in dusthana houses from Lagna adversly affect affairs of the native/Lagna owner/, while the same from the house damage the affairs of malefic house itself, which is favourable for the lagna owner. Too wordy? Regards, Anna - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:49 PM |Sri Varaha| DusthanasHouse Jaya Jagannath Dear Jyotisha, What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? Best Wishes Sarajit|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 OOPS Sorry I asumed dustana from dusthana- Should be: Planets in dusthana houses from Lagna adversly affect affairs of the native/Lagna owner/, while the same from the house damage the affairs of house itself Anna - N.Anna varahamihira Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:26 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas Dear Sarajit, Regards, Anna - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:49 PM |Sri Varaha| DusthanasHouse Jaya Jagannath Dear Jyotisha, What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? Best Wishes Sarajit|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Shailesh, Where do you find similarities? Besides, 6th is upachaya as well- and indicates growth. Cheers, Anna - Shailesh Chadha varahamihira Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:15 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste, This query is on similar grounds as the discussion on the SJC list about exaltation - I had asked a question that "how do we consider exaltation on planets to be good when it occurs in a dusthana in relation to the rasi lorded by them; ie JUP ( SAG/ CAN) & VEN (LIB/ PIS)" Hopefully, I will find some more thoughts for chewing in response to your query. My last mail on the subject is pasted below. Regards & best wishes, Shailesh Shailesh Chadha Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AM Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi, Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately, I am not fully satisfied. It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a better understanding that I am posing these questions. Let me explain the background of my original doubt. In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation. This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/ evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification? Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'. Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the native. I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on these points and studying to find my answeres. So, please excuse my rambling. Regards & best wishes, Shailesh - Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:19 AM |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas Jaya Jagannath Dear Jyotisha, What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? Best Wishes Sarajit ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 5/7/2003|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Shailesh, I must say that, my query has a definite link with your querry. This question is more fundamental and shall answer your querry. This is a known principle that planets placed in the 8th from its own sign does considerable damage to its significations and if they happen to be benefics like Jup, there is no doubt. However, I wonder why other two dusthanas are not much condemned like the 8th from the sign. Probably that is the sign of end. Jupiter's exaltation in the 8th! How shall it behave.. hmmm.. think and let me think. I don't wish to strech my logic. :-) Best Wishes Sarajit > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || > > Namaste, > > This query is on similar grounds as the discussion on the SJC list about exaltation - I had asked a question that " how do we consider exaltation on planets to be good when it occurs in a dusthana in relation to the rasi lorded by them; ie JUP ( SAG/ CAN) & VEN (LIB/ PIS) " > > Hopefully, I will find some more thoughts for chewing in response to your query. > > My last mail on the subject is pasted below. > > Regards & best wishes, > > Shailesh > Shailesh Chadha > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AM > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha > > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || > > Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi, > > Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately, I am not fully satisfied. > > It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a better understanding that I am posing these questions. > > Let me explain the background of my original doubt. > > In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation. > > This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/ evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification? > > Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'. > > Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the native. > > I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on these points and studying to find my answeres. > > So, please excuse my rambling. > > Regards & best wishes, > > Shailesh > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:19 AM > |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas > > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Jyotisha, > > What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? > > Best Wishes > Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Dear Anna, Let me tell you what I have learnt here; the seniors and the Gurus on the list will definitely correct me. First, one should consider the normal attributes (of a graha, rasi or bhava) - exceptions should be considered only in special circumstance or for finer analysis. For example, we give more importance to the basic nature of a benefic rather than to its functional nature. So, whether upchaya or not, the 6th house IS a dusthana. Now let us consider 6th as upachaya. 11th is also an upchaya but the difference between the two is their nature. 6th house signifies, of course in addition to other thing, competition, opposition, challenge, enmity, sichness. These adversities strengthen the native and thus contribute to his 'growth'. 11th house is the 6th from 6th. So, it suppresses the suppressor. And how? Because it also signifies 'elder' brother - our eternal support. It is the 'labh' sthana. Thus, the 'growth; provided by the 11th house is through support, gains - in short, in a positive manner. As I said, this is my understanding - subject to rectification and comments from ore knowledgables. With sincere regards & best wishes, Shailesh CDs of ACHYUTA WORKSHOP [NJ, USA, Jan.2003] > http://uk.geocities.com/sjc_east/AchyutaCD.html > vedic astrology CDs & Books/AchyutaCD.doc CDs of VARGA CHAKRA WORKSHOP [Hyderabad, Dec.2002] > http://uk.geocities.com/sjc_east/VargaChakraCD.html > vedic astrology CDs & Books /VargaChakraCD.doc varahamihira , " N.Anna " <anmar@a...> wrote: > Dear Shailesh, > > Where do you find similarities? Besides, 6th is upachaya as well- and indicates growth. > > Cheers, > Anna > - > Shailesh Chadha > varahamihira > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:15 PM > Re: |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas > > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || > > Namaste, > > This query is on similar grounds as the discussion on the SJC list about exaltation - I had asked a question that " how do we consider exaltation on planets to be good when it occurs in a dusthana in relation to the rasi lorded by them; ie JUP ( SAG/ CAN) & VEN (LIB/ PIS) " > > Hopefully, I will find some more thoughts for chewing in response to your query. > > My last mail on the subject is pasted below. > > Regards & best wishes, > > Shailesh > Shailesh Chadha > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AM > Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha > > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || > > Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi, > > Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately, I am not fully satisfied. > > It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a better understanding that I am posing these questions. > > Let me explain the background of my original doubt. > > In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation. > > This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/ evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification? > > Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'. > > Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the native. > > I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on these points and studying to find my answeres. > > So, please excuse my rambling. > > Regards & best wishes, > > Shailesh > - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:19 AM > |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas > > > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Jyotisha, > > What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 5/7/2003 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Dear Shailesh, Thank you for sharing your knowledge-your message helped me see 'dusthanas' in the context/in fact made me THINK/ I do recognize now my 'inclination' to see six H as 'upachaya' primarily- and of course, not paying attention, like:it goes without saying, I know that, lol. Or maybe I don't like having 'enemy's' house in the chart:) I think I have lots of 'blind sposts' on my current level of knowledge, and it's always better to expose that and deal with that,so Shailesh please share what you've learnt, I'd appreciate that. Best Regards, Anna - Shailesh Chandra Chadha varahamihira Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:44 AM Re: |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya || Dear Anna,Let me tell you what I have learnt here; the seniors and the Gurus on the list will definitely correct me.First, one should consider the normal attributes (of a graha, rasi or bhava) - exceptions should be considered only in special circumstance or for finer analysis. For example, we give more importance to the basic nature of a benefic rather than to its functional nature.So, whether upchaya or not, the 6th house IS a dusthana.Now let us consider 6th as upachaya. 11th is also an upchaya but the difference between the two is their nature.6th house signifies, of course in addition to other thing, competition, opposition, challenge, enmity, sichness. These adversities strengthen the native and thus contribute to his 'growth'.11th house is the 6th from 6th. So, it suppresses the suppressor. And how? Because it also signifies 'elder' brother - our eternal support. It is the 'labh' sthana. Thus, the 'growth; provided by the 11th house is through support, gains - in short, in a positive manner.As I said, this is my understanding - subject to rectification and comments from ore knowledgables.With sincere regards & best wishes,ShaileshCDs of ACHYUTA WORKSHOP [NJ, USA, Jan.2003] > http://uk.geocities.com/sjc_east/AchyutaCD.html > vedic astrology CDs & Books/AchyutaCD.docCDs of VARGA CHAKRA WORKSHOP [Hyderabad, Dec.2002] > http://uk.geocities.com/sjc_east/VargaChakraCD.html > vedic astrology CDs & Books /VargaChakraCD.docvarahamihira , "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:> Dear Shailesh,> > Where do you find similarities? Besides, 6th is upachaya as well- and indicates growth.> > Cheers,> Anna> - > Shailesh Chadha > varahamihira > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:15 PM> Re: |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas> > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||> > Namaste,> > This query is on similar grounds as the discussion on the SJC list about exaltation - I had asked a question that "how do we consider exaltation on planets to be good when it occurs in a dusthana in relation to the rasi lorded by them; ie JUP ( SAG/ CAN) & VEN (LIB/ PIS)"> > Hopefully, I will find some more thoughts for chewing in response to your query.> > My last mail on the subject is pasted below.> > Regards & best wishes,> > Shailesh > Shailesh Chadha > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AM> Re: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha> > > || Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||> > Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi,> > Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately, I am not fully satisfied.> > It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a better understanding that I am posing these questions.> > Let me explain the background of my original doubt.> > In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation.> > This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/ evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification?> > Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'. > > Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the native.> > I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on these points and studying to find my answeres.> > So, please excuse my rambling. > > Regards & best wishes,> > Shailesh> - > Sarajit Poddar > varahamihira > Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:19 AM> |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas> > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Jyotisha,> > What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna?> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 5/7/2003> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 Om Brihaspataye namahDear SaileshGood means that the planet is inclined to protect and sustain the natural creation. Keep this definition of good in mind. When Jupiter exalts, the COMPASSION and FORGIVENESS shall prevail over the need for JUSTICE & DANDA.With best wishesSanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India+91-674-2436871 http://srath.com--------------------------------Original Message-----Shailesh Chadha [scc]Wednesday, May 14, 2003 6:46 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: |Sri Varaha| Dusthanas|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||Namaste,This query is on similar grounds as the discussion on the SJC list about exaltation - I had asked a question that "how do we consider exaltation on planets to be good when it occurs in a dusthana in relation to the rasi lorded by them; ie JUP ( SAG/ CAN) & VEN (LIB/ PIS)"Hopefully, I will find some more thoughts for chewing in response to your query.My last mail on the subject is pasted below.Regards & best wishes,Shailesh Shailesh Chadha Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:19 AMRe: [sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Kendradhipati Dosha|| Om Gurave Namah :: Om Namo Naaraayanaaya ||Namaste Ramanarayanan ji & Lakshmi,Thank you for your beatiful explanations. And yet, unfortunately, I am not fully satisfied.It is not to belittle or challenge your views - only to get a better understanding that I am posing these questions.Let me explain the background of my original doubt.In chart reading , we automatically assume that when a planet is exalted, it will shower lots of 'goodies' on the native - or, let us put it plainly, the planet will be capable of performing its 'functions' (karakatwa of the bhavas/ rasis owned by it) with greater power & efficiency, due to its exaltation.This is where the doubt arose in my mind - when a planet is in house of 'enmity/ sickness/ accidents'(6th) or 'disease/ disgrace/ evils' (8th). You have explained the other signification of 8th house, but that shouldn't one take the *normal* signification?Another line of thought - exaltation of a planet means a rise in the 'spiritual' significations of the planet - or is it both 'spiritual' as well as 'material'. Because if it is the former - 'spiritual' only, then it would be wrong to expect an exalted planet to shower lots of 'goodies' on the native.I suspect my writing is not very clear - I am still meditating on these points and studying to find my answeres.So, please excuse my rambling. Regards & best wishes,Shailesh- Sarajit Poddar varahamihira Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:19 AM|Sri Varaha| DusthanasJaya JagannathDear Jyotisha, What is the difference between a house lord's placement in a dusthana from the house and from the Lagna? Best WishesSarajit ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 5/7/2003|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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