RE:|Sri Varaha| Guru in Kumbha - divinity

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Dear lakshmi ji,

First, I regret the grammatical mistake I made in

my mail giving the impression that rahu and ketu don't

represent avatars. Anyways, that was the point I was

neither aware of nor concerned with at the instant of

writing.

The mail was an effort to understand the difference

between devata and divine!!! May be a vedic definition

and connotation should suffice.

To me, all the planets " represent " divinity,

irrespective of the kind of results they give. And

this is for a simple reason that all the planets get a

chance to be 9th lord, lagna lord, AK etc., without

bias. This reasoning matches well to the fact that

different people find divinity in different places and

practices, without comparison. It also tells me that

the humanly-expression of divine is not dependent on

the form and name and means, which happens to coincide

with your use of akasha tattwa and that represents

jupiter.

However, akasha tattwa also means that it is

always present in the rest of the 4 tattwas, and as

such other tattwas should not be seen in isolation

with akasha. It brings me again to the same point,

i.e. the rest of the planets representing rest of the

4 tattwas are already possessed of divine

representation, apart from their own expressed

qualities.

This means that divinity as such is not a

qualitative concept and need not be singled out as

" attached " to a particular planet to the exclusion of

others. Further, it can be noted that despite the

fact that sun, moon and jupiter can be assigned a

particular tattwa, they don't seem to fall in this

scheme in the same way as the rest of the 4 planets

i.e. mars, mercury, saturn, venus.

Infact, there doesn't seem to be much difference

between jupiter, sun and moon with due consideration

of the fact that a man becomes father(sun) and a woman

becomes mother(moon) at the same instant as the child

(jupiter) comes into existence. This is analogous to

the beginning of the universe (creative principle)

from akasha tattwa + sun + moon. Since akasha tattwa

is the primordial of the rest of the tattwas by

definition, it makes sense to say that while taking

divinity as the creative principle, we should include

sun + moon + jupiter together. However, divinity as an

all encompassing principle should include all the

planets.

regards,

nitish

--- B Lakshmi Ramesh <b_lakshmi_ramesh

wrote:

> Om Gurave Namah

>

> Dear Nitish,

>

> Sorry for jumping in. Rahu and Ketu also represent

> avatars of Vishnu,

> and Jupiter is perhaps called " divine " because he

> alone represents

> Akasa tattwa, which is infinite and all pervading.

>

> Btw, Guru in Kumbha reminds me of two great

> personalities, called

> Kumbha Sambhava " ... Sage Agastya and Dronacharya !

>

> Regards,

> Lakshmi

>

>

> varahamihira , Nitish Arya

> <yeeahoo_99>

> wrote:

> > Dear sanjay ji,

> > Could you also please elaborate on placement of

> > jupiter in Leo? Further, all the planets except

> rahu

> > and ketu are devatas and represent different

> avataras

> > of vishnu, why should only jupiter be considered

> > divine?

> > regards,

> > nitish

> > --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani@s...> wrote:

> > > Dear Sanjay,

> > >

> > > I don't think there is any doubt in my mind

> > > whatsoever about the positive

> > > aspects of Jupiter's placement in Kumbha. In

> fact,

> > > it was the other way

> > > round. I always harboured a rosy-eyed picture of

> > > such a placement, and

> > > thought it was all good. Since my own Jupiter is

> in

> > > Kumbha, I used to be

> > > pleased as punch. It is only much later that I

> > > realized that things might

> > > not be as they seem. I think I used the wrong

> words

> > > to express my thoughts

> > > or maybe you have clarified it further. It is

> the

> > > lagna, which has to listen

> > > to Jupiter, and it is the lagna, which needs

> > > protection. Not Jupiter, as he

> > > represents the divine in each chart. Therefore,

> it

> > > is dependant on the lagna

> > > how it receives and filters the messages

> received

> > > from Jupiter. Therefore,

> > > Jupiter's placement in Kumbha will be fully felt

> or

> > > benefited dependant upon

> > > the lagna of the native.

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > >

> > > Sarbani

> > >

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath [srath@s...]

> > > Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:54 PM

> > > varahamihira

> > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha|

> Guru

> > > in Kumbha

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ||Om brihaspataye namah||

> > > Dear Sarbani

> > > comments below:

> > > With best wishes & regards,

> > > I remain

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> >

>

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> > >

> > > Sarbani Sarkar

> > > [sarbani@s...]

> > > Monday, May 12, 2003 6:27 PM

> > > vedic astrology ;

> Varahamihira

> > > RE: [vedic astrology] RE:|Sri Varaha|

> Guru

> > > in Kumbha

> > > Om Suragurubrihaspataye Namah

> > >

> > > Dear Sanjay,

> > >

> > > Thank you for taking the time and giving us this

> > > long exposition on Lagna,

> > > Arudha Lagna, Paka Lagna and their karakatwas,

> > > namely, Sun, Moon and

> > > Jupiter. What you say is perfectly

> comprehensible

> > > and you have cleared my

> > > doubts. Jupiter in Kumbha is tricky. Though Guru

> > > will grant all the

> > > knowledge and can produce the best of

> philosophers

> > > when placed in Kumbha, it

> > > has to protect itself from the malefic effects

> of

> > > Saturn constantly and face

> > > the obstruction from Rahu. It is like a natal or

> > > congenital defect that it

> > > carries with itself when placed in this sign.

> The

> > > effect of this maleficence

> > > and obstructions will depend on the bhava

> placement

> > > of Aquarius and its

> > > lords. So, for people with Jupiter in Aquarius,

> the

> > > protection of the dhi

> > > becomes very crucial.

> > > [Rath:] Jupiter is the supreme intelligence of

> God

> > > and represents Bhagavan

> > > in all signs without a doubt (Harihara has

> confirmed

> > > this). So, the supreme

> > > intelligence is telling the lagna something and

> > > whether the lagna is

> > > listening or not depends on the 'dasa'. The

> > > intelligence of Jupiter does not

> > > get reduced by his placement in Kumbha. In fact

> such

> > > a placement is the

> > > great clebration called Kumbha mela in Allahabad

> > > every 12 years as

> > > Mahakumbha. The individual intelligence is what

> is

> > > the variable factor and

> > > this is dependant on the lagna.

> > >

> > > Like a baby it has to be nurtured and

> protected,

> > > and especially during

> > > difficult transits and dashas.

> > > [Rath:] And how can you protect the intelligence

> of

> > > Jupiter?? Are you

> > > suggesting that the Lagna nees protection or

> Jupiter

> > > needs protection -

> > > lets be clear on this Jupiter represents God and

> he

> > > is well protected. It is

> > > our lagna that needs protection and when we

> recite

> > > the Narayana Kavacha, we

> > > are protected.

> > >

> > > Varahamihira speaks well of Jupiter in Kumbha

> and

> > > likens it to its

> > > placement in Cancer, but Kalyana Verma is quite

> > > clear that such a placement

> > > will make the native malicious, devoid of

> > > intelligence, ill disposed and

> > > interested in evil jobs.

> > > [Rath:] Good results of the placement and some

> > > demerits coming due to

> > > excessive application of the mind in a

> particular

> > > direction are separate

> > > issues. Jupiter in cancer and Aquarius give

> > > exceptionally good results. The

> > > thinking is different. Yes some of those

> qualities

> > > are also seen in the

> > > persons with Jupiter in Aquarius . Lot depends

> on

> > > lagna.

> > >

> > > Santhanam's comments are interesting. He says

> that

> > > Jupiter in Kumbha will

> > > surely give the good results of Cancer but in

> > > addition, it " suffers the

>

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