Achyuta Gurukul] Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads - For Sanjay

July 13, 2003

Dear Sanjay,

Thank you for your mail which indeed said a lot.

The first title which comes to my mind as a very appropriate and probably both accepted and respected by all - <MASTER>.

In accordance with many English dictionaries a Master (in connection with knowledge and education) is one who reached a very high level of skill and knowledge and who has 'workers' under him (if in a business) - (i.e. students).

Master is related to all sorts of fields or/and sciences, which we all claim Jyotish to be.

In my opinion a master title can be divided into three levels/ranks corresponding to Guru, mainly;

1. Junior Master

2. Master

3. Senior Master

This allows leveling the very wide field of Jyotish and depends naturally on the type of acknowledgement mechanism one will attach to the system.

Examples: Master of Vedic Astrology or Master of Jyotish, (Jyotish Master), Jyotish Senior Master, etc.

The word/title (and) 'Lecturer' can than be freely added to those titles where the individual is actually qualifies to teach and transfer knowledge.

Not all Gurus/Masters have the ability to teach/transfer material despite a high level of knowledge.

Titles of the 'professor' nature can be used first when SJC becomes a governmental recognised and certified educational establishment.

Such roles are valid in most European countries (see a good example at http://www.soc.uu.se/titles.html for some excellent references)

I hope this helps a bit on the way.

Kindest regards

Jay Weiss

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Sanjay Rath

SJC ; varahamihira

Sunday, July 13, 2003 3:48 AM

RE: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads - For Sanjay

|brihaspatim varenyam|

Dear Jay

You wrote:

Yesterday evening I had a long chat with my father-in-law who is a retired university professor

and previously well known politician (known for his educational and juridical activities both in Sweden and the European parliament).

I told him of my reaction to the 'professor' title and asked for his comment/opinion.

Without hesitation he said: "<Unfortunately it has no value any longer as it is misused in many countries. Every (teaching) individual may call himself professor and every 'true' professor lost his academic title value due to this fact. There is simply no respect for it any longer>".[s.Rath:] Thanks for this feedback and we respect your fathers views as it is the truth. I have done some more reading on this -

pro-fes-sor (pruh fes'uhr) n. 1. a college or university teacher of the highest academic rank in a particular branch of learning. 2. any teacher who has the rank of professor, associate professor, or assistant professor. 3. a teacher. 4. an instructor in some art or skilled sport. 5. a person who professes his or her sentiments, beliefs, etc.

Today in India at least, the teacher who used to get the highest respect in society is no longer given any credit for his learning. What a mess the modern educational system has created. Now which of these meanings will define the professor? Even a parrot that expresses its sentiments by repeating phrases when its keeper arrives can be classified as 'professor'. Muhammad Ali can be called Professor of Boxing or Bruce Lee can be Professor of Kung Fu. What about the meaning as 'teacher'?? Can we say that the driving lesson instructor is a professor of driving..or maybe the title Professor will get misused to such an extent that the intellectual ability associated with the title shall cease to have meaning.

That is why we at SJC have continued to use the title Jyotisa Guru and write (Professor of astrology) like this so that the Guru is not equated with boxers or drivers. We are using the name Professor only for the benefit of some countries where the legal requirements need a proper definition for the title. How would you translate 'Jyotish Guru' for legal matters? Make an attempt and give me a better option. I will also need options for -

1. Jyotisa Acharya

2. Jyotisa Sastri and also

3. Daivagyna

I can only wish you and SJC good luck in pursuing this line of titles in hope that the future will not prove wrong.[s.Rath:] Thanks

you wrote: [s.Rath:] A subject never gets a bad name..people do...

* Unfortunately this is the opposite for astrology in many countries/societies (for various reasons), just ask around ...[s.Rath:] Yes you are right. I forgot the persecution of astrologers in Europe. However in India learning has always been held in high esteem for many centuries simply because it is regarded as the Gayatri Mantra in full bloom. Is this persecution continuing? Just see what the west has done to tantra...I am really disgusted when I read those web sites about tantra. They will never understand as their intellects are totally covered by the veil of maya. Tantra or the power to control and protect the body has been reduced to Kamasutra in the west and they fool themselves with the notion of spiritual bliss associated with physical release. Such fools shall fill the world as Kali progresses unless we have the strength to stand up and tell them..'you are wrong'.

I admire you as I see this streak of truth force in you - to call a spade a spade. So go ahead and participate in this process of steering Jyotish into a new era where we can have titles to recognise the Sun from among the stars.

God bless

Jay Weiss

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

+91-674-2436871 http://srath.com

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Sanjay Rath

varahamihira

Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:55 AM

RE: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads - For Sanjay

|brihaspatim varenyam|

Dear Jay

Thanks for the early warning. comments below

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

+91-674-2436871 http://srath.com

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J.Weiss [jayhw]Friday, July 11, 2003 11:39 AMvarahamihira Subject: Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads - For Sanjay

Dear Sanjay,

Below is my response to Mr. Abbot which I belive you'll find appropriate.

*------*

I appreciate your mail and your sincere comments.

I certainly accept and respect everyone who reached a high level of Jyotish study, proving a reasonable degree (?) of correct analysis and percentage of accurate predictions (?).

In other words, one who's Jyotish work results truly help others in the spirit of Jyotish teachings.

The Jyotish Guru title (or similar) is perfect and highly respected for those.[s.Rath:] Thanks

It is certainly NOT the individuals in question (or any others for this matter) but the subject of Jyotish and Astrology as an accepted science in the public eye.[s.Rath:] I know. you are very sincere

No emotions were involved while writing my comment, only common sense.

My main reason for 'objecting' the 'professor' title is the misleading effects and the building of a title hierarchy in this field without having a legitimate and acknowledged/approved body to control it. This has never been attempted before as far as I am aware of (here I must add that I have my full respect for Sanjay Rath but even he may be misled by others).[s.Rath:] No harm trying rather than keep waiting for someone else to try

You are probably aware, just as well as most of us here, of the extensive misuse of titles in the west (and probably in the east too), which cause much suffering and financial losses to many people (here I refer to 1000's of fraud cases by so called 'astrologers' and the like).[s.Rath:] Fraud cases continue even in regular college degrees and titles. We are trying to form a society that checks the good from frauds. One that has norms. It will take time to evolve, but we have to start somewhere.

It is difficult enough as it is to 'convince' people of the value of predictive astrology (Jyotish). Titles which are related to the academic world (true or honorable) have no place in this area in my opinion.

What impression will one get of a 'Jyotish doctor' as an example ? How do you think people will react when the 'professor's' predictions go wrong ? will he get a bad name or astrology ?[s.Rath:] A subject never gets a bad name..people do. I am prepared to drink the poison so long as at least the future Jyotisha will know of the consequences of one of their fellow astrologer called Sanjay, who tried.

So my basic reaction is in trying to protect Jyotish, nothing else.

With kindest regards

Jay Weiss[s.Rath:] Thanks again jay

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Sanjay Rath

varahamihira

Friday, July 11, 2003 4:41 AM

RE: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads

|brihaspatim varenyam|

Dear Anna & Jay

That is not the reason. The title remains Jyotisa Guru as you can clearly see in the circular sent out. The explanation of the meaning of Jyotisa Guru has to be given to authorities in various countries having various laws and cultures. The closest I could get to was professor (as was requested by one senior Jyotisa Guru for the sake of registration of SJC/carrying out his work in that country). I did not change the title. It continues as Jyotisa Guru.

A Guru is far too learned a person, too dedicated, having spent a life time of hardwork in learning the highest aspect of life to be called a professor. Personally, this is going to be objected to in India as Professor is a very derogatory translation for the Guru. So, this has been kept within brackets as an explanation for those authorities etc who do not (and never will) understand the meaning of Jyotisa Guru.

~ om tat sat ~

Yours truly,

Sanjay Rath

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H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

+91-674-2436871 http://srath.com

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N.Anna [anmar]Friday, July 11, 2003 5:02 AMvarahamihira ; Subject: Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads

Dear All,

I hope everyone will recognize your good faith, Jay, and mine in this matter.

SJC doesn't need this, let alone Jyotish- It can harm a lot, both. IMHO- it is a seed of self-destruction of SJC, and for that reason only, I feel bad about this.

Do we need depreciative titles, that people ridicule for right reasons for a long time, likle Cold Water Managers and

PhD Carpenters... We do not need artificial pumping for what already HAS REAL value,

Jyotish and Silicon Breasts-how do that sound to you dear friends?

What was definition of lack of vanity and other requirements of morality written by OLD sages, we all claim to accept as ULTIMATE AUTHORITY

I do have interest of SJC and Jyotish in mind, and I hope you trust me.

Really sad,

Anna

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J.Weiss

varahamihira ; ; vedic astrology ; SJC: Vyasa ; sjcasia

Cc: Dhira.Krsna.BCS ; swee ; sarajit ; gauranga ; ahimsa ; chandra ; Karu-1 ; satyaprakasika ; vishnu

Thursday, July 10, 2003 8:27 AM

[sJC: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads

Dear Sarabani and all members,

This mail is sent in good faith so please do not misinterpret it!

I strongly object to the misuse of the title "Professor" as described in SJC's last 'Appointment of Jyotisha guru's".

The title professor is a genuine academic title which follows a specific predefined international criteria and used by recognized academic institutions.

The title 'professor' is earned in universities after many years of study, sweat, blood, tears and difficult exams, usually taking a part of a life time.

SJC is NOT an academic institution nor a recognized high-education institute and as such has no authority to allocate or appoint academic titles.

I may be wrong but I find it very unethical and certainly against the purity that Jyotish teaches us.

It will be advisable to review this issue prior to any action from any officials ...

Kind regards

Jay Weiss

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Sarbani

; varahamihira ; vedic astrology ; SJC: Vyasa ; sjcasia

Cc: Dhira.Krsna.BCS ; swee ; sarajit ; gauranga ; ahimsa ; chandra ; Karu-1 ; satyaprakasika ; vishnu

Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:31 PM

|Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

Dear Jyotisha,

Sri Jagannath Center is pleased to announce on this auspicious day, new jyotisha gurus, SJC gurus (regional gurus) and country heads for the Asia, Australia and European regions. The names of the newly appointed gurus and administrative heads are listed in the attached pdf file.

With best wishes,

Sarbani Sarkar

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July 13, 2003

Dear Sanjay,

Will the western titles suffice in recognizing the

sun from the stars?? What else do we need jyotish for,

if not to recognize sun from stars?? Can we steer

jyotish, through research (rahu), in the new era??

Oxford Paperback dictionary and thesarus

guru

/ " g:ru:/ noun (plural -s) 1 Hindu spiritual teacher. 2

influential or revered teacher.

professor

/pr " fes/ noun 1 highest-ranking academic in university

department. 2 US university teacher. 3 person who

professes a religion etc. professorial /prf " s:rl/

adjective. professorship noun.

I found that the contemporary vedic-astrologers,

like you, BV Raman, Suryanarain Rao, Narasimha Rao,

Sarajit poddar etc. all have a relationship between

Jupiter and Rahu. This certainly tells about the need

of the day, i.e. one needs to blend the contemporary

research and understanding (rahu) to assist and define

his astrological knowledge (jupiter), so that it

becomes understandable to many.

Further, in your case, rahu (12th lord aspecting

10th house and lord) in 10th from 2nd lord shows the

move of SJC towards west - which is not, however, the

direction of Sun. What will be achieved for jyotish

through this??

regards,

nitish

--- Sanjay Rath <daivagyna wrote:

>

> |brihaspatim varenyam|

> Dear Jay

> You wrote:

> Yesterday evening I had a long chat with my

> father-in-law who is a retired university professor

> and previously well known politician (known for his

> educational and juridical activities both in Sweden

> and the European parliament).

> I told him of my reaction to the 'professor' title

> and asked for his comment/opinion.

>

> Without hesitation he said: " <Unfortunately it has

> no value any longer as it is misused in many

> countries. Every (teaching) individual may call

> himself professor and every 'true' professor lost

> his academic title value due to this fact. There is

> simply no respect for it any longer> " .

> [s.Rath:] Thanks for this feedback and we respect

> your fathers views as it is the truth. I have done

> some more reading on this -

> pro-fes-sor (pruh fes'uhr) n.

> 1. a college or university

> teacher of the highest academic rank in a particular

> branch of learning.

> 2. any teacher who has the rank

> of professor, associate professor, or assistant

> professor.

> 3. a teacher.

> 4. an instructor in some art or

> skilled sport.

> 5. a person who professes his or

> her sentiments, beliefs, etc.

> Today in India at least, the teacher who used to get

> the highest respect in society is no longer given

> any credit for his learning. What a mess the modern

> educational system has created. Now which of these

> meanings will define the professor? Even a parrot

> that expresses its sentiments by repeating phrases

> when its keeper arrives can be classified as

> 'professor'. Muhammad Ali can be called Professor of

> Boxing or Bruce Lee can be Professor of Kung Fu.

> What about the meaning as 'teacher'?? Can we say

> that the driving lesson instructor is a professor of

> driving..or maybe the title Professor will get

> misused to such an extent that the intellectual

> ability associated with the title shall cease to

> have meaning.

>

> That is why we at SJC have continued to use the

> title Jyotisa Guru and write (Professor of

> astrology) like this so that the Guru is not equated

> with boxers or drivers. We are using the name

> Professor only for the benefit of some countries

> where the legal requirements need a proper

> definition for the title. How would you translate

> 'Jyotish Guru' for legal matters? Make an attempt

> and give me a better option. I will also need

> options for -

>

> 1. Jyotisa Acharya

> 2. Jyotisa Sastri and also

> 3. Daivagyna

>

> I can only wish you and SJC good luck in pursuing

> this line of titles in hope that the future will not

> prove wrong.

> [s.Rath:] Thanks

>

> you wrote: [s.Rath:] A subject never gets a bad

> name..people do...

> * Unfortunately this is the opposite for astrology

> in many countries/societies (for various reasons),

> just ask around ...

> [s.Rath:] Yes you are right. I forgot the

> persecution of astrologers in Europe. However in

> India learning has always been held in high esteem

> for many centuries simply because it is regarded as

> the Gayatri Mantra in full bloom. Is this

> persecution continuing? Just see what the west has

> done to tantra...I am really disgusted when I read

> those web sites about tantra. They will never

> understand as their intellects are totally covered

> by the veil of maya. Tantra or the power to control

> and protect the body has been reduced to Kamasutra

> in the west and they fool themselves with the notion

> of spiritual bliss associated with physical release.

> Such fools shall fill the world as Kali progresses

> unless we have the strength to stand up and tell

> them..'you are wrong'.

>

> I admire you as I see this streak of truth force in

> you - to call a spade a spade. So go ahead and

> participate in this process of steering Jyotish into

> a new era where we can have titles to recognise the

> Sun from among the stars.

>

> God bless

> Jay Weiss

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

>

---------------------------

> H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com

>

---------------------------

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> Sanjay Rath

> varahamihira

> Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:55 AM

> RE: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha|

> Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads -

> For Sanjay

>

> |brihaspatim varenyam|

> Dear Jay

> Thanks for the early warning. comments below

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Yours truly,

> Sanjay Rath

>

---------------------------

> H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India

> +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com

>

---------------------------

>

> J.Weiss [jayhw]

> Friday, July 11, 2003 11:39 AM

> varahamihira

> Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha|

> Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads -

> For Sanjay

>

> Dear Sanjay,

>

> Below is my response to Mr. Abbot which I belive

> you'll find appropriate.

> *------*

>

> I appreciate your mail and your sincere comments.

> I certainly accept and respect everyone who

> reached a high level of Jyotish study, proving a

> reasonable degree (?) of correct analysis and

> percentage of accurate predictions (?).

> In other words, one who's Jyotish work results

> truly help others in the spirit of Jyotish

> teachings.

> The Jyotish Guru title (or similar) is perfect and

> highly respected for those.

> [s.Rath:] Thanks

>

> It is certainly NOT the individuals in question

> (or any others for this matter) but the subject of

> Jyotish and Astrology as an accepted science in the

> public eye.

> [s.Rath:] I know. you are very sincere

>

> No emotions were involved while writing my

> comment, only common sense.

>

> My main reason for 'objecting' the 'professor'

> title is the misleading effects and the building of

> a title hierarchy in this field without having a

> legitimate and acknowledged/approved body to control

> it. This has never been attempted before as far as I

> am aware of (here I must add that I have my full

> respect for Sanjay Rath but even he may be misled by

> others).

> [s.Rath:] No harm trying rather than keep waiting

> for someone else to try

>

> You are probably aware, just as well as most of us

> here, of the extensive misuse of titles in the west

> (and probably in the east too), which cause much

> suffering and financial losses to many people (here

> I refer to 1000's of fraud cases by so called

> 'astrologers' and the like).

> [s.Rath:] Fraud cases continue even in regular

> college degrees and titles. We are trying to form a

> society that checks the good from frauds. One that

> has norms. It will take time to evolve, but we have

> to start somewhere.

>

> It is difficult enough as it is to 'convince'

> people of the value of predictive astrology

> (Jyotish). Titles which are related to the academic

> world (true or honorable) have no place in this area

> in my opinion.

>

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|brihaspatim varenyam|Dear NitishComments below~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath---------------------------H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India+91-674-2436871 http://srath.com--------------------------------Original Message-----Nitish Arya [yeeahoo_99]Monday, July 14, 2003 2:03 AMvarahamihira Subject: RE: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads - For SanjayDear Sanjay, Will the western titles suffice in recognizing thesun from the stars?? [s.Rath:] Which are the western titles that you recommend for Daivagyna, Jyotish Acharya & Jyotish Shastri? Unless you tell me your recommendation, what can I say. So far the only one has been Jay who feels that the 'Master' is fine. What else do we need jyotish for,if not to recognize sun from stars?? [s.Rath:] Do you really need Jyotish Vidya to recognise the sun from the stars? In that case every animal in this planet is a Jyotishi as even birds fly out when the sun rises. The metaphor intended was perhaps not understood by you. For centuries all cultures have used titles to differentiate the levels of work and knowledge. this is true for India as well. In fact we Indians were quite adept at it and gave titles for every position. In a vajapeya sacrifice, the Adhvarya, Hota, Udgata and Brahmaa were the four heads and were accompanied by various other priests who in general were srotriyas...umpteen titles for clear differentiation was the principle followed. Can we steerjyotish, through research (rahu), in the new era??[s.Rath:] How much research has been done so far and where is the forum to present a research paper? I think SJC has to evolve and create this forum. There is only one person who keeps claiming original research and simply doles out the teachings of the Rishi's and does not give credit to them. Is this the right attitude for research. The attitude has to change if Jyotish has to become a respected subject. credit should be given where it is due. For example, a lady called Minakshi Rout has done some good work on Mrityu Bhaga..how many of us know about this..you see the forum is missing.Oxford Paperback dictionary and thesarusguru/"g:ru:/ noun (plural -s) 1 Hindu spiritual teacher. 2influential or revered teacher.professor/pr"fes/ noun 1 highest-ranking academic in universitydepartment. 2 US university teacher. 3 person whoprofesses a religion etc. professorial /prf"s:rl/adjective. professorship noun. I found that the contemporary vedic-astrologers,like you, BV Raman, Suryanarain Rao, Narasimha Rao,Sarajit poddar etc. all have a relationship betweenJupiter and Rahu. This certainly tells about the needof the day, i.e. one needs to blend the contemporaryresearch and understanding (rahu) to assist and definehis astrological knowledge (jupiter), so that itbecomes understandable to many. [s.Rath:] Rahu gives understanding (??) Is this research? Whenever rahu has come in any sub-period or sub-sub-period, it has only created havoc in my life. Research!!! The only thing I can research during its turbulent periods is the efficacy of mantras to protect myself from villians. Further, in your case, rahu (12th lord aspecting10th house and lord) in 10th from 2nd lord shows themove of SJC towards west - which is not, however, thedirection of Sun. What will be achieved for jyotishthrough this??[s.Rath:] Depends on how to look at directions. If I fly to the USA which is 180 degrees away via London then it is in the western direction (SATURN). If I take Singapore route then it is in the eastern direction (SUN). A lot has already been achieved and a lot more will also be achieved. The brain drain to the USA has caused some of the best minds to migrate and I am taking this knowledge to them. Also, the United States provides the best opportunity for the dissemination of knowledge. It is in the USA that SJC really got a good grounding with the Jagannath Hora software and other activities. The maximum support for my work has come from good friends in the USA and if I have had the COURAGE to leave the job to do Jyotish full time it is because of friends in the US.If I had depended on India then I would have starved to death..and that is the truth. As regards achievements - SJC will become the leading organisation for Jyotish activities in five years from now. A college for the study of Jyotish could be established (Laurie Harbour has given me this idea...again from the US). A library should be set up immediately to consolidate the available literature in one place and make it available online for the use of all...again an American has given this idea. The pictures you see in the various wrute ups are all done by an American who travels all the way to India, spends two-three months and draws everything, takes pictures, puts them in format etc..Freedom Cole. And I cannot afford any costs. They do it because they want to help Jyotish. Unlike another *famous* astrologer who has called them names, I am most grateful for all the support I got from the west.If I have been able to complete the work on the Atmakaraka it is because of all the moral support I got from Lakshmi Kary and Narayan Iyer...another American and US Indian.So Nitish, with a Jupiter in Lagna I am going to be very grateful to all of them, to all Americans and with their help shall build the greatest ever college for astrology. That is my goal in life from now. The other goals regarding translations, writings etc continues.India...well it is time ...This land has never given anything to its great astrologers. Parasara the greatest of them all was beaten by the flat side of the sword of Sahasrarjuna and his henchmen broke his leg. It was a stroke of great good fortune for Jyotish that Parasara survived but he became lame for life and was called Pangu Muni. Pangu means lame..nice way to address one of the most learned men of this soil. What a fine title to give him. Set up a college/Ashram in India..see history - Parasara had set up a college (large/huge ashram) of a hundred senior Pandits and astrologers. It was razed to the ground, the astrologers and Pandits were killed, the ashram set ablaze and women raped and murdered. Only two (other than Parasara survived)...SJVC was set up with similar earnest. See what happened. Parasara tried to set this up again after Krishna (Vyasa) was with him and was unfortunately killed by WOLVES..he actually died when attacked by wolves. He is not the only one. Our brave kings have protected astrologers with all might. JAIMINI was killed by an ELEPHANT. Anyway this is the part of history no one likes to talk about. Vivekananda, Yogananda and Prabhupada were intelligent men and I am following in their path ...although only for Jyotish.There is a saying in my language 'Pandita nija deshare shobha paye nahin'..A Pandit shall never get respect/his due place, in his own land (during his life time). Even Vyasa had to leave for Punjab/Haryana (Dharma kshetra) to allow his destiny to unfold and it was his good fortune that Bhisma was around to protect, respect and support him..of course it was both ways. Thats why I say that Punjab/Haryana is ruled by Sagittarius...Dharma kshetra.Finishing here..and hope to hear your views about how we should organise ourselves. regards,nitish--- Sanjay Rath <daivagyna wrote:> > > |brihaspatim varenyam|> Dear Jay> You wrote:> Yesterday evening I had a long chat with my> father-in-law who is a retired university professor > and previously well known politician (known for his> educational and juridical activities both in Sweden> and the European parliament).> I told him of my reaction to the 'professor' title> and asked for his comment/opinion.> > Without hesitation he said: "<Unfortunately it has> no value any longer as it is misused in many> countries. Every (teaching) individual may call> himself professor and every 'true' professor lost> his academic title value due to this fact. There is> simply no respect for it any longer>".> [s.Rath:] Thanks for this feedback and we respect> your fathers views as it is the truth. I have done> some more reading on this -> pro-fes-sor (pruh fes'uhr) n. > 1. a college or university> teacher of the highest academic rank in a particular> branch of learning.> 2. any teacher who has the rank> of professor, associate professor, or assistant> professor.> 3. a teacher.> 4. an instructor in some art or> skilled sport.> 5. a person who professes his or> her sentiments, beliefs, etc.> Today in India at least, the teacher who used to get> the highest respect in society is no longer given> any credit for his learning. What a mess the modern> educational system has created. Now which of these> meanings will define the professor? Even a parrot> that expresses its sentiments by repeating phrases> when its keeper arrives can be classified as> 'professor'. Muhammad Ali can be called Professor of> Boxing or Bruce Lee can be Professor of Kung Fu.> What about the meaning as 'teacher'?? Can we say> that the driving lesson instructor is a professor of> driving..or maybe the title Professor will get> misused to such an extent that the intellectual> ability associated with the title shall cease to> have meaning.> > That is why we at SJC have continued to use the> title Jyotisa Guru and write (Professor of> astrology) like this so that the Guru is not equated> with boxers or drivers. We are using the name> Professor only for the benefit of some countries> where the legal requirements need a proper> definition for the title. How would you translate> 'Jyotish Guru' for legal matters? Make an attempt> and give me a better option. I will also need> options for -> > 1. Jyotisa Acharya> 2. Jyotisa Sastri and also> 3. Daivagyna> > I can only wish you and SJC good luck in pursuing> this line of titles in hope that the future will not> prove wrong.> [s.Rath:] Thanks > > you wrote: [s.Rath:] A subject never gets a bad> name..people do...> * Unfortunately this is the opposite for astrology> in many countries/societies (for various reasons),> just ask around ...> [s.Rath:] Yes you are right. I forgot the> persecution of astrologers in Europe. However in> India learning has always been held in high esteem> for many centuries simply because it is regarded as> the Gayatri Mantra in full bloom. Is this> persecution continuing? Just see what the west has> done to tantra...I am really disgusted when I read> those web sites about tantra. They will never> understand as their intellects are totally covered> by the veil of maya. Tantra or the power to control> and protect the body has been reduced to Kamasutra> in the west and they fool themselves with the notion> of spiritual bliss associated with physical release.> Such fools shall fill the world as Kali progresses> unless we have the strength to stand up and tell> them..'you are wrong'. > > I admire you as I see this streak of truth force in> you - to call a spade a spade. So go ahead and> participate in this process of steering Jyotish into> a new era where we can have titles to recognise the> Sun from among the stars.> > God bless> Jay Weiss> > ~ om tat sat ~> Yours truly,> Sanjay Rath>---------------------------> H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India> +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com>---------------------------> > > > > > > - > Sanjay Rath > varahamihira > Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:55 AM> RE: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha|> Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads -> For Sanjay> > > > > |brihaspatim varenyam|> Dear Jay> Thanks for the early warning. comments below> ~ om tat sat ~> Yours truly,> Sanjay Rath> >---------------------------> H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India> +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com> >---------------------------> > J.Weiss [jayhw]> Friday, July 11, 2003 11:39 AM> varahamihira > Re: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha|> Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads -> For Sanjay> > > Dear Sanjay,> > Below is my response to Mr. Abbot which I belive> you'll find appropriate.> *------*> > I appreciate your mail and your sincere comments.> I certainly accept and respect everyone who> reached a high level of Jyotish study, proving a> reasonable degree (?) of correct analysis and> percentage of accurate predictions (?).> In other words, one who's Jyotish work results> truly help others in the spirit of Jyotish> teachings. > The Jyotish Guru title (or similar) is perfect and> highly respected for those.> [s.Rath:] Thanks > > It is certainly NOT the individuals in question> (or any others for this matter) but the subject of> Jyotish and Astrology as an accepted science in the> public eye.> [s.Rath:] I know. you are very sincere > > No emotions were involved while writing my> comment, only common sense.> > My main reason for 'objecting' the 'professor'> title is the misleading effects and the building of> a title hierarchy in this field without having a> legitimate and acknowledged/approved body to control> it. This has never been attempted before as far as I> am aware of (here I must add that I have my full> respect for Sanjay Rath but even he may be misled by> others).> [s.Rath:] No harm trying rather than keep waiting> for someone else to try > > You are probably aware, just as well as most of us> here, of the extensive misuse of titles in the west> (and probably in the east too), which cause much> suffering and financial losses to many people (here> I refer to 1000's of fraud cases by so called> 'astrologers' and the like).> [s.Rath:] Fraud cases continue even in regular> college degrees and titles. We are trying to form a> society that checks the good from frauds. One that> has norms. It will take time to evolve, but we have> to start somewhere. > > It is difficult enough as it is to 'convince'> people of the value of predictive astrology> (Jyotish). Titles which are related to the academic> world (true or honorable) have no place in this area> in my opinion.> === message truncated ===SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!http://sbc.|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira

July 15, 2003

DearSarajit,

I agree with you. Rahu when alone does act like Saturn and can make one proficient in research, mercury and Jupiter being strong.

About the other question. I think the basic tenets of Jyotish over which there is no dispute were indeed reveleations.The treatises that followed seem to be part reveleation and part research, as even the Pravartakas differ about house ownerships of nodes and many other details. Unfortunately there is a tendency amongst astrologers to holds one or the other as THE standard text.They tend to forget that even the Pravartakas quoted other authorities opinions in their own texts and thus acknowledged that some different interpretation is possible. Of course this is my personal opinion and others may have different opinions.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sarajit Poddar [sarajitp]Tuesday, July 15, 2003 3:33 PMvarahamihira Subject: Achyuta Gurukul] Re: |Sri Varaha| Appointment of new Gurus and Administrative heads - For Sanjay|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Hari,What Nitish pointed out about the rulership of Rahu over research is quite valid. Rahu's placement in the trine to the Lagnamsa can give good aptitude for research. Check out Einstein's Horoscope.However, as Gurudev pointed out, this is not the orginal research which is important at this juncture of time, even if we can uncover the true meaning of what Maharishis meant to say in the classics, this would be a great service to the world of Jyotish. This can only be done with blessings of Jup (Gurus- Maharishis) and not with the original research as many people claim to.This is true that Rahu's influence on the native can make one tread the darkest areas of existence, `coz Rahu is from such places... We need to chose between, whether we want Jupiter or Rahu, while we progress in the path of Jyotish.BTW does anyone think that the classics are the outcome of original research or revelation (intuition). One would know, any amount of research cannot justfy the classics as they are at present. Not to speak about those, which are hidden as yet.Best WishesSarajitvarahamihira , "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote:> ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> Namaste Nitish,> > The classic property of Rahu is that it acts as a pure malefic. How > can it be associated with research?> > Jupiter, Moon and Mercury can give research. Combined with the > properties of the rashi, we can deduce the nature of research. For > example I have Ju in Sc, a watery rashi and I find that most of my > research (in chemical engineering) has something to do with water or > other liquids. IAC, water forms a strong connection in my research.> > Association of Ra with Ju may give desire to exhibit one's > knowledge. Learned members may correct me.> > regards> Hari> > > Can we steer> > jyotish, through research (rahu), in the new era??> > I found that the contemporary vedic-astrologers,> > like you, BV Raman, Suryanarain Rao, Narasimha Rao,> > Sarajit poddar etc. all have a relationship between> > Jupiter and Rahu. This certainly tells about the need> > of the day, i.e. one needs to blend the contemporary> > research and understanding (rahu) to assist and define> > his astrological knowledge (jupiter), so that it> > becomes understandable to many. > > [s.Rath:] Rahu gives understanding (??) Is this research?|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira