Exaltation and Debility: Still have doubts

July 14, 2003

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Respected Gurus,

I have some simple ideas for exaltation of planets.

SURYA :Surya is the concept of Soul which requires power,where Kuja is power and so in Mesha Surya is exalted.Simply King is honoured by the Commander.

CHANDRA : Chandra is exalted in Vrishabha because Chandra is the embodying concept of Mother Parvathi and SHE is considered as Vrishabha Vahane.Also as per Nadi literatures,Shukra is the daughter-in-law and Chandra as mother-in-law.So Chandra is exalted in Vrishabha.

KUJA: Kuja is exalted in Makara.Now Karka is the sign of Chandra who is the mother ( Parvathi ) of Kuja.Makara is the sign of Eshwaramsha and so son sits on the lap of father.Kuja represents Lord Shanmukha.Hence Kuja is exalted in Makara.

BUDHA : Budha is the embodyment of Lord Maha Vishnu and when alone Budha indicates intelligence and intellect.He is Alankara Priya and Stree Priya also.That is why Budha is exalted in Kanya- female aspect.

GURU : Guru is exalted in Karka which is called the ocean of Milk where Lord Maha Vishnu rests.So when Deva Guru enters Karka Rasi ,HE is honoured because of the visualisation of Paramatma.

SHUKRA: Meena Rasi is the feet of Lord Maha Vishnu where Godess Lakshmi sits and so Shukra is exalted in Meena Rasi.

SHANI : Shani is exalted in Tula ruled by Shukra.Shukra is the causative planet of Godess Lakshmi,Maya ( the concept of illusion ) makes human to do Karma expecting the Phala or results.Where is there is wealth,people will be working expecting the Phala ( money ).So Shani ,the Karma Karaka is exalted in Tula.

I hope the above explains the exaltation of planets ina simple way.

With Sri Narayana Nama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa wrote:

Om Namo Narayanaya,Venus rules ananda, or divine bliss.. Isn't it the highest bliss in love of God?Thus, this highest form of Ananda can come ONLY in spiritual Pisces, whereall desires are transcended..Best wishesZoranfls999999999 wrote:

Om Rameshvara Namaha,Namaste Anna,NOt to stur up a hornest nest here, but I am still digestingVenus' exaltation in Pisces...yes, I know this intellectullyfor years, but have this "passion" to really question thisin Jyotish so I can bring out and cement the fundamentalsin my mind. That is, Venus represents Ausura Guru Sukrachara.Being exalted in Pisces , a Moksha house and home of Jupiter( Brihaspiti, and Para Vidya) is difficult for me to "get".I understand the notion of a Graha at Home, Work ( Moolatrikona),etc. But that does not resolve the "why" a Graha perfers andworks better ( effectively or efficiently or enjoys) one placeover another.Visti hs outline Surya in Aries...makes sense.Venus in Pisces, still scratching my head, not to mentionMars exalted in Capricorn? A sign owned by Sani and Samya ( Neutral)in nature to Mangala. I would think Mar's

exalted in Sc would fit the bill, yet I am missing some important foundational thinking,Hence my pursuit as I keep reading text and get other opinions.ONe opinion of Jupiter debilited in Cp made sense...that is Guruas Akasha in Sani's home of Vayu Tattva is hard to control.Sarat Chander in Varga Chakra (pg 207) suggests Jupiter ( purity)is debilitated by Sani ( dirt). Yet this is questioned. I still am devoid of a rule of thumb to use... I will continue to pursue and read till I can make it simple and easy to comprehend, tell and discuss.Pranams,varahamihira , "N.Anna" <anmar@a...> wrote:

Dear Chandrashekhar,Seems convincing to me the reason why Pisces is exaltation for Venus- blind, selfless- isn't that about love? For similar reasons, It's not quite clear to me why Venus in Cn doesn't have better 'status'.

Different kind of love for Venus in Aq, seems OK too, as Venus-Saturn affinity does.

But Venus in Sag, or Ge...should have 'worse' status- what can Venus give in freedom-loving, independent Sag, or even worse in chit-chat Ge../other influences excluded, of course/

Anna - Chandrashekhar Sharma varahamihira Saturday, July 05, 2003 4:57 PM Re: |Sri Varaha| Exaltation and Debility: Still have doubts

Dear Frank, Pisces is 12th house in natural Horoscope. 12th house is also called Shayan sthana(Hous of bed pleasures). Venus rules Veerya(Sperm), so the connection should be clear. Hope you will pardon for my intrusion.

Chandrashekhar. fls999999999 wrote: OM Rameshvara Namaha, Dear Ajit... Brilliant insight...every piece helps!!! So, as I ponder this ( I think about this all the time) I find it curious Sukra is exalted in Pisces then... As Sukra owns libra , owner of the fluid for rebirth and Sukracharya is there to prolong Life, what insight do we have to reconcile Sukracharya's Exaltation in a Moksha house?

Other positions of the Graha's exaltation and debility I still ponder and find no simple logic-process to rationalize why one Rasi vs. another brings debility....I am not confused as much as I want to undersand the key principles that bring out the foundation of Jyotish. I hope to address these one by one if I get the chance. We have Surya defined...seems line sani should be next as he is debilited in Aries, and exalted in Libra ( for longivity).

Pranams, Frank in san diego varahamihira , "Ajit Krishnan" <astro@m...>

wrote: > hamsa om soham > > Dear Frank, > > I hope you don't mind if I interject some thoughts. > > > 1. Sun - makes sense for Aries - 1st house, and Karaka for Lagna,

> > rising sign and east, health logivity, Agnitattva, etc. > > Aries is the Head of Narayan; ALso a Dharma House. > > Yet debility in Libra, I would think it would be the opposite

> > of "head" and the "feet" or Pisces? PIsces is the natural rasi

for > > moksha, yet the opposite of "head" and could apply for dibility

of > > Surya, using this logic. > > Surya wishes to teach us what is true so that we may instantly

wake up and > be freed from the cycle of rebirth. He is the guru Shiva imparting

gyana > yoga. In the kalapurusha scheme, Libra represents the reproductive

organs, > which is essential to the cycle of birth. Libra is owned by Venus

> (Sukracharya with the Sanjeevani mantra) which can prolong our

maya-life. > These are precisely what Surya wishes to free us from, and he is

debilitated > here in Libra. Saturn wants us to realize what is true by seeing

the error > of our ways. This requires punishment....and causing us to be

alive beyond > our allotted time seeing the impermanence/death of all we hold dear

> (children, health, senility, material goods) is a grave punishment. Shani is > exalted in the rebirth-causing sign which endows long life. It

makes sense > for Surya to be debilitated in an airy sign (prana sustains and

extends our > maya laden life). > > Humans are born head-first from the womb. i.e. the first thing to

emerge is > our ego. Pisces is the sign of the maharishis and represents feet

according > to the kalapurusha scheme. When Surya is in Pisces, it is like the

native > laying his ego at the feet of the guru. This act of surrender

directly leads > us to para vidya (Pisces - surrender & tapas, is followed by

Aries - > rebirth of knowledge). How can Surya be debilitated in Pisces,

when it leads > him directly to Aries? > > ajit > > > Debility in the 7th ( even though 180degrees from Aries) , owned

by > > Venus and indicator of Sathoola and Sookshama does not make

sense to > > me...yet we find Saturn exalted there, where we know Sani is also

> > debilited in Aries. > > LIbra is Air Sign ( Vayu) and good for Sani, yet why is it not

good > > for Surya, I would think a water sign would be it debility. > > 2. Guru - Exalted in the 4th ( Cn) and is A Moksha house... good

> > place for Guru to do HIS work, to bring enlightenment yet his

office > > is in Sagitarius, or a Dharma house. HE is at home obviouisly,

yet > > is doing HIS work these...interesting? > > > > Like this, it is not that stright forward to see the aligment

with > > the Graha's and their rasi positons for work, home, etc. > > If we can spend a few more minutes on this so I <and sisyas> can

be > > well grounded in this I would appreciate it. If there is more I

can > > read on this, I will be happy to puruse. > > > > Pranams, > > Frank in San Diego > > > > varahamihira , "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> > wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > > Dear Ajit, > > > First we assign the various parts as signs, and these signs are

> > defined as a form of the kaala purusha, as this actually tells us

> > what the signs are trying to give us. Also refer to the explanation > > of the Dwadasa-aditya. > > > Next we can define the Nakshatra (mentality), Pada(ayana/goal)

and > > Trimsamsa(??) to see the details about the graha's nature of

> > exaltation, etc. > > > Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > - > > > Ajit Krishnan > > > > > > varahamihira > > > Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:25 PM >

; > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Exaltation and Debility of Graha's

> > > > > > > > > hamsa om soham > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > > > When exaltation, debilitation, moolatrikona and swakshetra

are > > defined in terms of rasis (and not houses), does it not follow

that > > the true reason for these assignments should also be in terms of

> > rasis (and nakshatras, and padas, and degrees) alone? > > > > > > ajit > > > - > > > Visti Larsen > > > varahamihira > > > Wednesday, July 02, 2003 2:31 AM > > > Re: |Sri Varaha| Exaltation and Debility of Graha's > > > > > > > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > > Dear Frank, > > > This was discussed several times on other lists, where each

> > planets dristi, and also their exaltation, moolatrikona and > > swakshetra and debilitation signs were discussed. > > > > > > The focal points are; > > > Exaltation : The planets place of greatest enjoyment. > > > Moolatrikona : The planets office, its dharma. > > > Swakshetra : The planets home, or where it feels like home

and > > is satisfied. > > > Debilitation : The planets place of least enjoyment. > > > > > > Example for Moon: > > > Exaltation & Moolatrikona: Taurus is the natural 2nd house,

> > and moon being the mother and sustainer of the universe finds her

> > duty and greatest enjoyment here, just as a mother enjoys feeding

> > her child. > > > Swakshetra: The Own sign of the Moon is the natural 4th -

> > Cancer, where the mother feels literally at peace and at home.

> > > Debilitation: Scorpio is the debilitation sign of the Moon

and > > being the natural 8th house, is the place of Rudra, which is the

> > opposite of sustenance - hence the Moon finds her least enjoyment

> > here. > > > > > > In this mannor each planet is understood. Jupiter does not

> > represent purity, planets represent a person or deva. The sign

and > > house indicates the state and activity of the deva. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > - > > > fls999999999 > > > varahamihira > > > Wednesday, July 02, 2003 4:10 AM > > > |Sri Varaha| Exaltation and Debility of Graha's

> > > > > > > > > Om Sri Rama Jai Jai Rama > > > > > > > > > Namaskr, > > > > > > Can some one assist.. I ask this question from time-to-

time > > yet > > > have not yielded any clarity or response on this matter.

> > > > > > To form a firm foundation as a sisya I need to understand

> > why is a > > > Graha exalted or debilitated in any one sign? We use this

> > every day > > > in a chart, yet do we ( I) do not fully comprehend why?

> > > > > > Why is Surya exalted in Aries? If I read Sarvarth > > Chintamani the > > > author (Bhasinji) suggests that Surya falling in the

first > > 10 > > > degrees of Aries is in the Nakshatra of Ashvini ,

owned by > > Ketu. > > > Ketu is the Mokshakara , and Surya is the Atmakaraka,

> > > > > > Hence ATMA in MOKSHA or the highest state atma can attain. > > > This makes sense. Yet, Ketu also owns other Nakshatera I

> > would > > > think also favorable to the exaltation or Surya [ Leo,

> > Sun's home, > > > or Sagittarius, owned by Guru, and what is the goal of

Guru > > if not > > > the highest levels of Dharma yielding Moksha?] > > > > > > For Debilitation , I can see why Guru ( purity) is > > debilitated in > > > Capricorn, owned by Sani - with Sani owning dirt its

> > covering the > > > purity of Guru forcing debility, yet why not in Aquarius

> > where both > > > Rahu & Sani own the signand a double dose i.e. > > > Dirt and diabolical behavior from Rahu? > > > > > > So, what principles do I look to apply common sense? The

> > Tattva of > > > the planets? > > > e.g. Agni, Vayu, Prthivi, Jala and Aksha, and how one may

> > overwhelm > > > the other i.e. Water over fire? OR perhaps Shadripu

weakness > > > comparisons? > > > > > > If some one can assist I would appreciate the help to

form a > > solid > > > base of knowledge. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Frank in San Diego > > > > > > > > > > > > |Om Tat Sat| > > > http://www.varahamihira > > > > > >

July 15, 2003

Om Namo Gurubrihaspathaye,

Dear Ramadasji,

You have worked it out nicely. How ever few things missing. Instead look at Rasi, try to see nakshasthra. You will find some more details. For example, the ultimate goal of the soul is Moksha (Or Param padam ?) and Ketu is the karaka for moksha. Natural tendency of every single drop of water is to go back to the ocean and loose the independent existence.

Sarva-Artha chinthamani has given some clues. But with the blessing of Guru, you can go further step.

Hope, this help you for now.

Thanks

Karu

-

Ramadas Rao

varahamihira

Tuesday, July 15, 2003 4:24 AM

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