Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003 Om Gurave Namah ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pranaam Sanjay, Thank you for the pointers re: Sri Caitanya's chart. There are dates given for specific events in Srila Prabhupada's commentaries on the life of Sri Caitanya, which are found in the introduction to the book " The Teachings of Lord Caitanya " . Apart from the guidelines that you have given, these dates correspond with Drig dasa very well, and I will give them as follows. First, can I ask you about the following: At 06:46 PM 7/24/03 +0530, you wrote: Dear Robert, some points that have been missed or ignored in the study of Sri Caitanya Jataka is the fact of His supreme knowledge. 1. The representation of the complete knowledge is the sadashiva Dakshinamurti Who is the Guru. One combination defining this is the conjunction of the Sun and Rahu (I have given a separate detailed post explaining this) and the sloka from Dakshinamurti stotra. So, in this incarnation we find the embodiment of total knowledge in the conjunction of lagna lord Sun with Rahu. Often this is mistaken as indicative of evil snakes but that is wrong. Prasna Marga has defined the various combinations of planets with Rahu and the combination of the Sun with Rahu indcates superior serpants like Vasuki with their supreme knowledge symbolising the Kundalini shakti. Thus Sri Caitanya has this yoga for Kundalini awakening. Point is - can we time it or was it right from birth. * I am having difficulty understanding the logic of the Sun/Rahu conjunction as pertaining to great knowledge, apart from great serpents like Vasuki having this knowledge. Also, I could not find the detailed post you gave on Dakshinamurti Stotram in my files. Could you please give a link for it? Thank you. * I am having trouble locating the section in Prasna Marga giving the descriptions of Rahu conjunctions with all the planets. If you could provide that too, I would be grateful. 2. I hope you have read the shastyamsa explanation about Mars in the book Varga Chakra. Mars ninth lord is in kali yuga rasi in Amrita shastyamsa - hence His dharma is to give AMRITA during Kali Yuga (with the Yuga Santarana mantra!!) Look at Jyotish working so well. Bhagavan incarnates to save dharma..yada yada hi dharmasya... Yes, I've noted this and your section in that book, and it is fascinating. Exalted yogakaraka Mars, as you say, is in Amrta Shashtyamsa, while occupying the Kali-yuga sign of Capricorn as well. The Parivartana yoga of Mars, with AK Saturn and mutual rasi drishti, is poignant in this connection. It was during the Drig dasa containing Saturn (given later) that Sri Caitanya promoted His Sankirtan movement all over India. 3. In my classes as Delhi (Sarat chander and others will remember) I had taught that " In every Vishnu avatar, the MOON must be in Lagna " . It is simple - Moon is sustainer and shows the compassion of Bhagavan for all creatures. So far, I'm aware of only three charts of such avataras: Sri Krsna, Whose exalted Moon occupies the lagna; Sri Caitanya, eclipsed Moon with Ketu in lagna; and Sri Ramachandra, Moon in Cancer lagna. Now, you told me once that Cancer lagna with Moon rising is indicative of worship of Lord Shiva, and questioned the Cancer lagna in charts of Vaishnavas. Is that because Sri Ramachandra worshipped Lord Shiva at one point in His Lila? 5. Sri Caitanya is NOT a Yuga-avatar as Jupiter is not in Makara navamsa besides other combinations for this are absent. I'm a bit confused here. Would not Jupiter in Makara Navamsa be indicative of the yuga-avatar in Kali-yuga, as opposed to all yugas? Jupiter is in Makara Navamsa in Sri Krsna's chart, at least the one recommended by you. Anyway, what are the other combinations that make for a yuga-avatara? He is hence, considered as Amsa-avatar. However, His dharma has a very strong directing force for Kali yuga as the ninth lord Mars is in Makara rasi (Kali Yuga rasi). In Sri Krishna's chart, instead the ninth house itself is Makara and ninth lord aspects the Sun (also AK in both rasi and navamsa - necessary - Sun must associate with Makara and ninth lord). In Sri caitanya Jataka the 9th lord is also conjoined the Sun in navamsa (in dharmamsa i.e. navamsa sign of the ninth house Aries) where the sun is in exaltation. NOTE: Unless the ninth lord conjoins or aspects the SUN in navamsa, the person cannot be an embodiment of Dharma. Further, Saturn (lord of Makara) aspects Mars in both Rasi & navamsa. So you can see the strength of the Yuga dharma inthese lines. This is profound, and thank you for the above. Indeed all the requirements given above apply, in both Sri Krsna's and Sri Caitanya's charts. Also in Sri Caitanya's Navamsa, not only does the rasi 9th lord Mars join the Sun, but they are also aspected by the Navamsa 9th lord Mercury from the lagna. Again I am wondering if the specific sign Makara - the sign for Kali-yuga - is involved in these ways in the charts of all yuga-avataras (?) 6. Rahu is darakaraka so one fine day He left wife and wealth as Cara Darakaraka is the significator of 2nd & 7th house (Parasara) Hope this helps. ~ om tat sat ~ Yours truly, Sanjay Rath P.S. Robert did you read that mail from Venkateswara reddy? I still cannot understand it. What are metonas? And what is ibramic? Never heard of these words. There are so many such things he speaks of. What is this subject? Any idea. What does it have to do with Jyotish?Sanjay, I cannot read Mr. Reddy's mind, and I too found myself scratching my head when I read that post. I believe he was making Biblical references to Abraham, as " Abrahamic " , etc. Apart from scattered assertions, I do not see the link to Jyotisha either. SRI CAITANYA - SOME DATES AND DRIG DASAS 1. Married to Srimati Laksmi-devi at age 14 or 15 (1500-1501): Drig dasa was Leo/Pisces or Leo/Aquarius. Dasa and lagna lord Sun is in the 7th house with Darakaraka Rahu, an thus indicates marriage. His wife died soon thereafter, however. It is significant that Upapada lagna Virgo and its lord, both form Argala to the sign Leo, although Mercury's Argala is obstructed by Mars (Mrtyu). Dasa lord Sun being in the 7th house with Rahu, and involved in the Sarpa yoga, is poignant to show the manner through which Laksmi-devi died. It was due to Snake bite. Sub-period sign of Pisces, as well as that of Virgo, both come under the drishti of Jupiter, a significant time for marriage. 2. During the Drig dasa of Leo (from 1496 to 1502), he got married for a second time to Vishnupriya, at the request of his mother. He was known as Nimai Pandit, and was a renowned Brahmana scholar of Nyaya philosophy at the young age of 15. Note in Navamsa, that Drig dasa lord Sun is with a strong Mars, indicating logic (Nyaya), while having the aspect of the AK Saturn as well. In the rasi chart also, Moolatrikona Jupiter being in the 5th, and Venus' being in the 9th, bring the knowledge of both Brihaspati and Shukra very strongly during this dasa period. Also during this period, his father died, which is easy to reconcile given the Sun/Rahu combination being activated throughout the entire Drig dasa of Leo. 3. At the age of 16 or 17, he travelled to Gaya with throngs of students, and became initiated by Sri Isvara Puri, who was a sisya of the great Vaishnava Madhavendra Puri. Srila Madhavendra Puri, it was told, was so immersed in the ecstasy of love of Godhead, that he could not tell whether it was day or night. The Drig dasa was Scorpio, containing AK Saturn. The sub-period would have been either of Leo or Virgo, and was most likely Virgo. Dasa sign of Scorpio has Argala from 5th lord Jupiter and A5 lord Mercury. This sets up the possibility of initiation during the dasa of Scorpio. Virgo is directly the A5, and, being aspected by both of Jupiter and Mercury, thus should indicate the time of initiation. 4. 1504-1510: Sri Caitanya Promoted the Sankirtan Dharma all over India during these years. Drig dasa was Scorpio from 1502 to 1511. The dasa period is powerful, as (a) it is occupied by the AK Saturn, and aspected by 9th lord Mars from the Makara rasi (Kali-yuga rasi). Mars' being in Amrta Shashtyamsa, as you've pointed out, showed that his incarnation served the yuga dharma, and thus he was the yuga-avatara indeed. (b) The aspect of Venus from the 9th house to AK indicated the mood of devotion, and love of Radha-Krsna. Venus is also lord of the Arudha lagna, showing that He Himself was the embodiment of Radha-Krsna in Their Divine lila. We are reminded here of the fact that Sri Caitanya was both the Atma, as well as the Ishta-devata (Saturn), while Venus represents His Hladini shakti in the form of Radha. 5. Accepted sannyasa initiation from Sri Kesava Bharati, at age 24 (1510): Drig dasa was Aquarius, while the AD could have been either of Sc, Li, Vi, or Le. Note that in the Navamsa, Aq is directly the 5th house occupied by AK and ishta-devata Saturn. In the Rasi chart, Aq again has Argala from 5th lord Jupiter and A5 lord Mercury. This is the same as that which occurred during his first initiation, bringing the likelihood of Virgo's sub-period as the most likely one for initiation. During the period from 1511 to 1515 he went on pilgrimage in south India. Both of 12th house (Cancer, i.e. Krsna), and Libra (Radha) aspect Aq, as do both of the Moon and Venus, who are respectively the lord of the 3rd from Arudha lagna and lagna. 6. Ksetra-sannyasa: Stayed in Puri from 1515 to 1534: The period was marked by the His experiencing the mood of separation from Krsna, as was exemplified by the Gopis and Radharani in Krsna-lila. The Drig dasa spanning this time frame, were of Taurus and Cancer, both having strong relevance to the Moon in Jyotish, and both signs having strong relations with all the malefics in the chart. Given the special nature of these malefics, especially the eclipsed Moon (which represents the madness or ecstasy of love of Godhead), the suffering is rarely attained or conceived of in the mundane world, i.e. of Prema-bhakti. It is noteworthy that in Navamsa, Taurus has Venus with Rahu (deep emotion and bewilderment), and these are aspected by Jupiter and Mercury from the Libra lagna. Sign Cancer similarly has the influence of these grahas, by drishti as well as Argala. 7. His disappearance: age 48, 1534: Drig dasa of Cancer, while AD sign could be either Aq or Cp. Of these, Cp is the likely AD, as it is in the 3rd from AK Saturn and occupied by 9th lord Mars, while Cancer itself is not only the 12th house, but the 3rd from AL as well. Moon goes to the 12th house in Navamsa also, while Saturn is in the 3rd from AL. These are probable dasas for this event. However, since He disappeared into the Tota Gopinatha Deity in Puri, Who is even to this day installed in a temple there, it may be that the AD sign was Aq, having the Sun in it. Aq is also aspected by the exalted Sun in Navamsa, as well as 9th lord Mercury. What do you think, Sanjay? So these are some beginning observations, although there is so, so much to look for and find. I hope the above has been interesting and enlightening to those who read this. I wish to speak on this chart in my lectures in Sunnyvale next month, and am excited to do so. I also want to include some or all the above in my book....... Best wishes, Hare Krsna, Robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> Ph: 541.318.0248 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2003 Report Share Posted July 25, 2003  || Om Gurave Namah || Pranaam Robert Prabhu, Probably he is referring to this stanza 6 in Dakshinamurthy Stotra of Guru Shakaraachaarya (Please use Sanskrit 99 fonts) rähugrastadiväkarendusadåço mäyäsamäcchädanät sanmätraù karaëopasaà haraëato yo'bhütsuñuptaù pumän | prägasväpsamiti prabodhasamaye yaù pratyabhijïäyate tasmai çrégurumürtaye nama idaà çrédakçiëämürtaye || 6|| ra÷¢StidvakreNÊs†zae mayasmaCDadnat! sNmaÇ> kr[aeps<hr[tae yae=ÉUTsu;uÃ> puman!, à agSvaPsimit à baexsmye y> à TyiÉ}ayte tSmE ïIguémUtRye nm #d< ïIdiKz[amUtRye. 6. The brillance of sun exists even when intercepted by Rahu duringeclipse. Similarly, the power of cognition only remains suspended duringdeep sleep. The Self exists as pure being even though unrecognized due tothe veil of Maya. A person on awakening becomes aware that he was asleepearlier (and the dream was unreal). Similarly, a person who awakensto the consciousness of the Self recognizes his previous state ofignorance as unreal. He by whose grace alone does one awaken to theconsciousness of the Self - to that Dakshinamurti, who is embodied inthe auspicious Guru, I offer my profound salutations. Reference: http://sanskrit.gde.to/doc_shiva/dakshina.itx Regarding the Sun and Rahu it's from Prashna Marga Chapter XV Section 157 titled 'Anger of Serpent God' in BV Raman's Translation it's on Vol1 Page 513 Sloka 31 of the chapter. jIv> sNbaxkezae Vyym & itirpugae y*he> keNÔs<Sw> jévaù sanbädhakeço vyayamÃ¥tiripugo yadyaheù kendrasaà sthaù spaR[amuÄmana< yid s surgUmaRiNdkeNÔexmanam!, sarpäëämuttamänäà yadi sa suragürmändikendredhamänäm | pIfa vaCyaw! baxaÉvnmupgte caerge spRbaxa péòä väcyäth bädhäbhavanamupagate corage sarpabädhä te;a< hInaeÄmTv< zizidnkryaeyaeRgvI]aidiÉ> Syat!.31. teñäà hénottamatvaà çaçidinakarayoryogavékñäadibhiù syät ||31|| If Jupiter as lord of a house of harm occupies 6th, 8th or 12th and these happen to be the Kendras of RAhu, then it must be inferred that the person has earned the wrath of superior serpents. If Jupiter happens to in the kendras of Gulika, inferior ones have turned against him. If Rahu occupies the house of harm, then the trouble is from serpents. In this yoga also, if Rahu has connection with the sun, Then the trouble is from good serpents; if with the moon, from bad ones. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran - Robert A. Koch varahamihira Thursday, July 24, 2003 9:09 PM RE: |Sri Varaha| Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's Moola dasa Om Gurave Namah~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Pranaam Sanjay, Thank you for the pointers re: Sri Caitanya's chart. There are dates given for specific events in Srila Prabhupada's commentaries on the life of Sri Caitanya, which are found in the introduction to the book "The Teachings of Lord Caitanya". Apart from the guidelines that you have given, these dates correspond with Drig dasa very well, and I will give them as follows. First, can I ask you about the following: At 06:46 PM 7/24/03 +0530, you wrote: Dear Robert, some points that have been missed or ignored in the study of Sri Caitanya Jataka is the fact of His supreme knowledge. 1. The representation of the complete knowledge is the sadashiva Dakshinamurti Who is the Guru. One combination defining this is the conjunction of the Sun and Rahu (I have given a separate detailed post explaining this) and the sloka from Dakshinamurti stotra. So, in this incarnation we find the embodiment of total knowledge in the conjunction of lagna lord Sun with Rahu. Often this is mistaken as indicative of evil snakes but that is wrong. Prasna Marga has defined the various combinations of planets with Rahu and the combination of the Sun with Rahu indcates superior serpants like Vasuki with their supreme knowledge symbolising the Kundalini shakti. Thus Sri Caitanya has this yoga for Kundalini awakening. Point is - can we time it or was it right from birth. * I am having difficulty understanding the logic of the Sun/Rahu conjunction as pertaining to great knowledge, apart from great serpents like Vasuki having this knowledge. Also, I could not find the detailed post you gave on Dakshinamurti Stotram in my files. Could you please give a link for it? Thank you. * I am having trouble locating the section in Prasna Marga giving the descriptions of Rahu conjunctions with all the planets. If you could provide that too, I would be grateful. 2. I hope you have read the shastyamsa explanation about Mars in the book Varga Chakra. Mars ninth lord is in kali yuga rasi in Amrita shastyamsa - hence His dharma is to give AMRITA during Kali Yuga (with the Yuga Santarana mantra!!) Look at Jyotish working so well. Bhagavan incarnates to save dharma..yada yada hi dharmasya... Yes, I've noted this and your section in that book, and it is fascinating. Exalted yogakaraka Mars, as you say, is in Amrta Shashtyamsa, while occupying the Kali-yuga sign of Capricorn as well. The Parivartana yoga of Mars, with AK Saturn and mutual rasi drishti, is poignant in this connection. It was during the Drig dasa containing Saturn (given later) that Sri Caitanya promoted His Sankirtan movement all over India. 3. In my classes as Delhi (Sarat chander and others will remember) I had taught that "In every Vishnu avatar, the MOON must be in Lagna". It is simple - Moon is sustainer and shows the compassion of Bhagavan for all creatures. So far, I'm aware of only three charts of such avataras: Sri Krsna, Whose exalted Moon occupies the lagna; Sri Caitanya, eclipsed Moon with Ketu in lagna; and Sri Ramachandra, Moon in Cancer lagna. Now, you told me once that Cancer lagna with Moon rising is indicative of worship of Lord Shiva, and questioned the Cancer lagna in charts of Vaishnavas. Is that because Sri Ramachandra worshipped Lord Shiva at one point in His Lila? 5. Sri Caitanya is NOT a Yuga-avatar as Jupiter is not in Makara navamsa besides other combinations for this are absent. I'm a bit confused here. Would not Jupiter in Makara Navamsa be indicative of the yuga-avatar in Kali-yuga, as opposed to all yugas? Jupiter is in Makara Navamsa in Sri Krsna's chart, at least the one recommended by you. Anyway, what are the other combinations that make for a yuga-avatara? He is hence, considered as Amsa-avatar. However, His dharma has a very strong directing force for Kali yuga as the ninth lord Mars is in Makara rasi (Kali Yuga rasi). In Sri Krishna's chart, instead the ninth house itself is Makara and ninth lord aspects the Sun (also AK in both rasi and navamsa - necessary - Sun must associate with Makara and ninth lord). In Sri caitanya Jataka the 9th lord is also conjoined the Sun in navamsa (in dharmamsa i.e. navamsa sign of the ninth house Aries) where the sun is in exaltation. NOTE: Unless the ninth lord conjoins or aspects the SUN in navamsa, the person cannot be an embodiment of Dharma. Further, Saturn (lord of Makara) aspects Mars in both Rasi & navamsa. So you can see the strength of the Yuga dharma inthese lines. This is profound, and thank you for the above. Indeed all the requirements given above apply, in both Sri Krsna's and Sri Caitanya's charts. Also in Sri Caitanya's Navamsa, not only does the rasi 9th lord Mars join the Sun, but they are also aspected by the Navamsa 9th lord Mercury from the lagna. Again I am wondering if the specific sign Makara - the sign for Kali-yuga - is involved in these ways in the charts of all yuga-avataras (?) 6. Rahu is darakaraka so one fine day He left wife and wealth as Cara Darakaraka is the significator of 2nd & 7th house (Parasara) Hope this helps. ~ om tat sat ~Yours truly,Sanjay Rath P.S. Robert did you read that mail from Venkateswara reddy? I still cannot understand it. What are metonas? And what is ibramic? Never heard of these words. There are so many such things he speaks of. What is this subject? Any idea. What does it have to do with Jyotish?Sanjay, I cannot read Mr. Reddy's mind, and I too found myself scratching my head when I read that post. I believe he was making Biblical references to Abraham, as "Abrahamic", etc. Apart from scattered assertions, I do not see the link to Jyotisha either. SRI CAITANYA - SOME DATES AND DRIG DASAS1. Married to Srimati Laksmi-devi at age 14 or 15 (1500-1501): Drig dasa was Leo/Pisces or Leo/Aquarius. Dasa and lagna lord Sun is in the 7th house with Darakaraka Rahu, an thus indicates marriage. His wife died soon thereafter, however. It is significant that Upapada lagna Virgo and its lord, both form Argala to the sign Leo, although Mercury's Argala is obstructed by Mars (Mrtyu). Dasa lord Sun being in the 7th house with Rahu, and involved in the Sarpa yoga, is poignant to show the manner through which Laksmi-devi died. It was due to Snake bite. Sub-period sign of Pisces, as well as that of Virgo, both come under the drishti of Jupiter, a significant time for marriage. 2. During the Drig dasa of Leo (from 1496 to 1502), he got married for a second time to Vishnupriya, at the request of his mother. He was known as Nimai Pandit, and was a renowned Brahmana scholar of Nyaya philosophy at the young age of 15. Note in Navamsa, that Drig dasa lord Sun is with a strong Mars, indicating logic (Nyaya), while having the aspect of the AK Saturn as well. In the rasi chart also, Moolatrikona Jupiter being in the 5th, and Venus' being in the 9th, bring the knowledge of both Brihaspati and Shukra very strongly during this dasa period. Also during this period, his father died, which is easy to reconcile given the Sun/Rahu combination being activated throughout the entire Drig dasa of Leo. 3. At the age of 16 or 17, he travelled to Gaya with throngs of students, and became initiated by Sri Isvara Puri, who was a sisya of the great Vaishnava Madhavendra Puri. Srila Madhavendra Puri, it was told, was so immersed in the ecstasy of love of Godhead, that he could not tell whether it was day or night. The Drig dasa was Scorpio, containing AK Saturn. The sub-period would have been either of Leo or Virgo, and was most likely Virgo. Dasa sign of Scorpio has Argala from 5th lord Jupiter and A5 lord Mercury. This sets up the possibility of initiation during the dasa of Scorpio. Virgo is directly the A5, and, being aspected by both of Jupiter and Mercury, thus should indicate the time of initiation. 4. 1504-1510: Sri Caitanya Promoted the Sankirtan Dharma all over India during these years. Drig dasa was Scorpio from 1502 to 1511. The dasa period is powerful, as (a) it is occupied by the AK Saturn, and aspected by 9th lord Mars from the Makara rasi (Kali-yuga rasi). Mars' being in Amrta Shashtyamsa, as you've pointed out, showed that his incarnation served the yuga dharma, and thus he was the yuga-avatara indeed. (b) The aspect of Venus from the 9th house to AK indicated the mood of devotion, and love of Radha-Krsna. Venus is also lord of the Arudha lagna, showing that He Himself was the embodiment of Radha-Krsna in Their Divine lila. We are reminded here of the fact that Sri Caitanya was both the Atma, as well as the Ishta-devata (Saturn), while Venus represents His Hladini shakti in the form of Radha. 5. Accepted sannyasa initiation from Sri Kesava Bharati, at age 24 (1510): Drig dasa was Aquarius, while the AD could have been either of Sc, Li, Vi, or Le. Note that in the Navamsa, Aq is directly the 5th house occupied by AK and ishta-devata Saturn. In the Rasi chart, Aq again has Argala from 5th lord Jupiter and A5 lord Mercury. This is the same as that which occurred during his first initiation, bringing the likelihood of Virgo's sub-period as the most likely one for initiation. During the period from 1511 to 1515 he went on pilgrimage in south India. Both of 12th house (Cancer, i.e. Krsna), and Libra (Radha) aspect Aq, as do both of the Moon and Venus, who are respectively the lord of the 3rd from Arudha lagna and lagna. 6. Ksetra-sannyasa: Stayed in Puri from 1515 to 1534: The period was marked by the His experiencing the mood of separation from Krsna, as was exemplified by the Gopis and Radharani in Krsna-lila. The Drig dasa spanning this time frame, were of Taurus and Cancer, both having strong relevance to the Moon in Jyotish, and both signs having strong relations with all the malefics in the chart. Given the special nature of these malefics, especially the eclipsed Moon (which represents the madness or ecstasy of love of Godhead), the suffering is rarely attained or conceived of in the mundane world, i.e. of Prema-bhakti. It is noteworthy that in Navamsa, Taurus has Venus with Rahu (deep emotion and bewilderment), and these are aspected by Jupiter and Mercury from the Libra lagna. Sign Cancer similarly has the influence of these grahas, by drishti as well as Argala. 7. His disappearance: age 48, 1534: Drig dasa of Cancer, while AD sign could be either Aq or Cp. Of these, Cp is the likely AD, as it is in the 3rd from AK Saturn and occupied by 9th lord Mars, while Cancer itself is not only the 12th house, but the 3rd from AL as well. Moon goes to the 12th house in Navamsa also, while Saturn is in the 3rd from AL. These are probable dasas for this event. However, since He disappeared into the Tota Gopinatha Deity in Puri, Who is even to this day installed in a temple there, it may be that the AD sign was Aq, having the Sun in it. Aq is also aspected by the exalted Sun in Navamsa, as well as 9th lord Mercury. What do you think, Sanjay? So these are some beginning observations, although there is so, so much to look for and find. I hope the above has been interesting and enlightening to those who read this. I wish to speak on this chart in my lectures in Sunnyvale next month, and am excited to do so. I also want to include some or all the above in my book.......Best wishes,Hare Krsna,Robert ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert A. Koch, Vedic Astrologer Faculty Member, SJC and ACVA visit <http://www.robertkoch.com> Ph: 541.318.0248 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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