Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 NamasShivaaya! Dear Gurus, Namaste. In " Narayana Dasa " book by Sanjay ji, in " Judgement of results " section, he says " ..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa (d27) " ..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D-27 and disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good indication of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period. D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the native. What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?. Kindly explain tis connection, especially from " Rasi NarayanaDasa interpretation of results " perspective. Best Regards, -Suresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Dear Suresh, Excellent question, I had a very same question, when I was reading my favourite " Narayana Dasa " Book and also Sudasa methods from Narasimha Ji's Book. Then for some reason, my focus went to Sudasa and I have done some research and never thought of asking this question to guru's. Thanks for the wonderful question, which I forgot to ask and I request Guru's to educate you/me/others by answering to your question. Regards Rao varahamihira , " Sureshbabu Chandra " <crsureshbabu> wrote: > NamasShivaaya! > > Dear Gurus, > > Namaste. > > In " Narayana Dasa " book by Sanjay ji, in " Judgement of results " > section, he says " ..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa > (d27) " ..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D-27 and > disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good indication > of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period. > > D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and > generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the native. > What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?. > > Kindly explain tis connection, especially from " Rasi NarayanaDasa > interpretation of results " perspective. > > Best Regards, > -Suresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah || Dear Sureshbabu, In the chapter on Sudasa in Upadesa Sutras, the very first stanza goes like this: 2.4.27: Taararkaamshe mandadho dasheshah || Here Tara means Janma Nakshatra i.e. 27 constellations and Arka means Sun and implies the 12 signs. Hence it means Naskshetramsa or Bhamsa which is 1/27th portion of the sign and 1/12th of a sign. Manda=1(katapayadi) implying Lagna and adya means aincrease by. The arc traversed by Moon in birth constellation is divided by 13d 20m and multiplied by 12. The result is converted into Signs etc. to obtain Sree Lagna. Simply put, we see the fraction of the constellation traversed by Moon in Janma Nakshatra and map that to the zodiac i.e 360degrees or 12 signs, ofcourse after adding the ascendant degree. So you see, it is intimately connected to Nakshetramsa! Hope this helps. A humble beginner -Narayan varahamihira , " Sureshbabu Chandra " <crsureshbabu> wrote: > NamasShivaaya! > > Dear Gurus, > > Namaste. > > In " Narayana Dasa " book by Sanjay ji, in " Judgement of results " > section, he says " ..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa > (d27) " ..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D-27 and > disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good indication > of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period. > > D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and > generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the native. > What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?. > > Kindly explain tis connection, especially from " Rasi NarayanaDasa > interpretation of results " perspective. > > Best Regards, > -Suresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 || Om Gurave Namah || Dear Jyotishas, Just to add a few more of my questions. How is Hora Lagna and Shree Lagna different for wealth related purposes. Can I say that HL is blessings from Dikpaala Kubera and SL(Shree lagna) is blessings of Shree Laxmi?. What are the differences?. I know SL can even be used for marriages and prosperity in general whereas HL is for source of wealth giver chart. Which of them is Greater?. Guruji did say that Narayana is greater than Laxmi, Similarly can I take Laxmi is more important that Kubera and SL is more important for prosperity measures?. Warm Regards S. Prabhakaran - naaraayana_iyer varahamihira Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:06 PM |Sri Varaha| Re: Rasi NarayanaDasa and D-27 || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah ||Dear Sureshbabu,In the chapter on Sudasa in Upadesa Sutras, the very first stanza goes like this:2.4.27: Taararkaamshe mandadho dasheshah ||Here Tara means Janma Nakshatra i.e. 27 constellations and Arka means Sun and implies the 12 signs. Hence it means Naskshetramsa or Bhamsa which is 1/27th portion of the sign and 1/12th of a sign.Manda=1(katapayadi) implying Lagna and adya means aincrease by.The arc traversed by Moon in birth constellation is divided by 13d 20m and multiplied by 12. The result is converted into Signs etc. to obtain Sree Lagna.Simply put, we see the fraction of the constellation traversed by Moon in Janma Nakshatra and map that to the zodiac i.e 360degrees or 12 signs, ofcourse after adding the ascendant degree.So you see, it is intimately connected to Nakshetramsa!Hope this helps.A humble beginner-Narayanvarahamihira , "Sureshbabu Chandra" <crsureshbabu> wrote:> NamasShivaaya!> > Dear Gurus,> > Namaste.> > In "Narayana Dasa" book by Sanjay ji, in "Judgement of results" > section, he says "..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa > (d27)"..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D-27 and > disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good indication > of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period.> > D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and > generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the native. > What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?.> > Kindly explain tis connection, especially from "Rasi NarayanaDasa > interpretation of results" perspective.> > Best Regards,> -Suresh|Om Tat Sat|http://www.varahamihira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah || Dear SanjayP, Lakshmi has Eight (8) forms known as Ashta Lakshmi. They are 1. Adi Lakshmi 2. Dhaanya 3. Dhairya 4. Gaja 5. Santaana 6. Vijaya 7. Vidya 8. Dhana She is the significator of prosperity, All-round prosperity. Kubera gives wealth(money), which is just one kind of prosperity. Infact, Vishnu (Varaha Avatar) married Lakshmi to repay the loan which he loaned from Kubera. Apart from wealth/dhana she is also the significator of 7 other kinds of prosperity. These 8 forms of prosperity is shown in jyotish by combination of Venus with the other 8 grahas. Like Venus & Sun, Venus & Moon .. so on and so forth. All these will be included in my forthcoming presentation for the East Coast Conference in Maryland, titled : Sree Lagna & Sudasa. Hope this Helps, Warm Regards Narayan varahamihira , " Sanjay Prabhakaran[sJC] " <sanjayp@s...> wrote: > || Om Gurave Namah || > > Dear Jyotishas, > Just to add a few more of my questions. How is Hora Lagna and Shree Lagna different for wealth related purposes. Can I say that HL is blessings from Dikpaala Kubera and SL(Shree lagna) is blessings of Shree Laxmi?. What are the differences?. I know SL can even be used for marriages and prosperity in general whereas HL is for source of wealth giver chart. Which of them is Greater?. Guruji did say that Narayana is greater than Laxmi, Similarly can I take Laxmi is more important that Kubera and SL is more important for prosperity measures?. > > Warm Regards > S. Prabhakaran > > - > naaraayana_iyer > varahamihira > Tuesday, August 05, 2003 5:06 PM > |Sri Varaha| Re: Rasi NarayanaDasa and D-27 > > > || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah || > > Dear Sureshbabu, > > In the chapter on Sudasa in Upadesa Sutras, the very first stanza > goes like this: > > 2.4.27: Taararkaamshe mandadho dasheshah || > > Here Tara means Janma Nakshatra i.e. 27 constellations and Arka > means Sun and implies the 12 signs. Hence it means Naskshetramsa or > Bhamsa which is 1/27th portion of the sign and 1/12th of a sign. > Manda=1(katapayadi) implying Lagna and adya means aincrease by. > > The arc traversed by Moon in birth constellation is divided by 13d > 20m and multiplied by 12. The result is converted into Signs etc. to > obtain Sree Lagna. > > Simply put, we see the fraction of the constellation traversed by > Moon in Janma Nakshatra and map that to the zodiac i.e 360degrees or > 12 signs, ofcourse after adding the ascendant degree. > > So you see, it is intimately connected to Nakshetramsa! > > Hope this helps. > > A humble beginner > -Narayan > > > > varahamihira , " Sureshbabu Chandra " > <crsureshbabu> wrote: > > NamasShivaaya! > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > Namaste. > > > > In " Narayana Dasa " book by Sanjay ji, in " Judgement of results " > > section, he says " ..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa > > (d27) " ..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D- 27 > and > > disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good > indication > > of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period. > > > > D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and > > generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the > native. > > What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?. > > > > Kindly explain tis connection, especially from " Rasi > NarayanaDasa > > interpretation of results " perspective. > > > > Best Regards, > > -Suresh > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 NamasShivaaya! Dear Narayan, Thanks much for pointing the signification of D-27 in financial matters. Should we then take the house cusp (of Dasa Rasi, when analysing NarayanaDasa), and map that longitude to D27? Or should we just see the sign as is. for eg: if Aries is the current RasiNarayanaDasa Dasa Rasi in a chart, would we look at Aries in D-27? OR would we take the longitude of whichever house cusp (that falls in Aries) and map that longitude to D27? Best Regards, -Suresh. varahamihira , " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan@s...> wrote: > || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah || > > Dear Sureshbabu, > > In the chapter on Sudasa in Upadesa Sutras, the very first stanza > goes like this: > > 2.4.27: Taararkaamshe mandadho dasheshah || > > Here Tara means Janma Nakshatra i.e. 27 constellations and Arka > means Sun and implies the 12 signs. Hence it means Naskshetramsa or > Bhamsa which is 1/27th portion of the sign and 1/12th of a sign. > Manda=1(katapayadi) implying Lagna and adya means aincrease by. > > The arc traversed by Moon in birth constellation is divided by 13d > 20m and multiplied by 12. The result is converted into Signs etc. to > obtain Sree Lagna. > > Simply put, we see the fraction of the constellation traversed by > Moon in Janma Nakshatra and map that to the zodiac i.e 360degrees or > 12 signs, ofcourse after adding the ascendant degree. > > So you see, it is intimately connected to Nakshetramsa! > > Hope this helps. > > A humble beginner > -Narayan > > > > varahamihira , " Sureshbabu Chandra " > <crsureshbabu> wrote: > > NamasShivaaya! > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > Namaste. > > > > In " Narayana Dasa " book by Sanjay ji, in " Judgement of results " > > section, he says " ..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa > > (d27) " ..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D-27 > and > > disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good > indication > > of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period. > > > > D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and > > generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the > native. > > What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?. > > > > Kindly explain tis connection, especially from " Rasi > NarayanaDasa > > interpretation of results " perspective. > > > > Best Regards, > > -Suresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2003 Report Share Posted August 6, 2003 || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah || Dear Sureshbabu, We take whole signs. In Narayana Dasa we never use house cusps, we take whole signs. We stick to the same routine. Warm Regards Narayan varahamihira , " Sureshbabu Chandra " <crsureshbabu> wrote: > NamasShivaaya! > > Dear Narayan, > > Thanks much for pointing the signification of D-27 in financial > matters. > > Should we then take the house cusp (of Dasa Rasi, when analysing > NarayanaDasa), and map that longitude to D27? Or should we just see > the sign as is. for eg: if Aries is the current RasiNarayanaDasa Dasa > Rasi in a chart, would we look at Aries in D-27? OR would we take the > longitude of whichever house cusp (that falls in Aries) and map that > longitude to D27? > > Best Regards, > -Suresh. > > varahamihira , " naaraayana_iyer " <narayan@s...> > wrote: > > || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah || > > > > Dear Sureshbabu, > > > > In the chapter on Sudasa in Upadesa Sutras, the very first stanza > > goes like this: > > > > 2.4.27: Taararkaamshe mandadho dasheshah || > > > > Here Tara means Janma Nakshatra i.e. 27 constellations and Arka > > means Sun and implies the 12 signs. Hence it means Naskshetramsa or > > Bhamsa which is 1/27th portion of the sign and 1/12th of a sign. > > Manda=1(katapayadi) implying Lagna and adya means aincrease by. > > > > The arc traversed by Moon in birth constellation is divided by 13d > > 20m and multiplied by 12. The result is converted into Signs etc. > to > > obtain Sree Lagna. > > > > Simply put, we see the fraction of the constellation traversed by > > Moon in Janma Nakshatra and map that to the zodiac i.e 360degrees > or > > 12 signs, ofcourse after adding the ascendant degree. > > > > So you see, it is intimately connected to Nakshetramsa! > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > A humble beginner > > -Narayan > > > > > > > > varahamihira , " Sureshbabu Chandra " > > <crsureshbabu> wrote: > > > NamasShivaaya! > > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > In " Narayana Dasa " book by Sanjay ji, in " Judgement of results " > > > section, he says " ..clue to finances is seen from Bhamsa > > > (d27) " ..beneficence/malefecence of Dasa lagna (Of Rasi) in D-27 > > and > > > disposition/dignity of Dasa lagna lord in D-27 is a good > > indication > > > of financial gains/prosperity during the dasa period. > > > > > > D-27 is the sub-concious level division (3rd harmonic) and > > > generally indicates inherent strengths and weaknesses of the > > native. > > > What is the connection of this divisional chart with Finaces?. > > > > > > Kindly explain tis connection, especially from " Rasi > > NarayanaDasa > > > interpretation of results " perspective. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > -Suresh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2003 Report Share Posted August 15, 2003 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Narayan, I am catching up with old mail. I noted an interesting conversation between you and Suresh. > || Om Sreem Mahaalakshmyai Namah ||> > Dear Sureshbabu,> > We take whole signs. In Narayana Dasa we never use house cusps, we > take whole signs. We stick to the same routine.> > Warm Regards> Narayan What Suresh wrote was explicitly advised by Sanjay in "Narayana Dasa" (p.75-76). He suggests taking the cusp of the house (he says this is normally taken as the longitude of lagna under the equal house system) and finding its position in various amsas including nakshatramsa. It works to an extent, but transposing the whole sign as you said works better. Though Sanjay wrote the cusp thing in his book, he actually used the "whole sign transposing" method when we saw practical charts. Let us take Sanjay's Capricorn dasa for example (based on Narayana dasa of rasi chart). In D-20, Capricorn is the 9th house containing 5 planets and this dasa is significant spiritually. In D-16, Capricorn contains debilitated Jupiter and nodes. Thus this dasa does not promise much comfort and relaxation. In D-10, Cp contains Mandi and A8 (and no planet). This dasa shows taking abuse related to activities and having many changes in work. In D-12, dispositors of Sun and Moon occupy Cn and it shows coming closer to parents. Especially, Saturn is in the 4th house and shows becoming close to mother. BTW, I personally disagree with the stress on nakshatramsa. I find it baseless to try to connect it with finances or with the general strength of a sign/planet. Nakshatramsa is about the sub-conscious strengths and weaknesses of a native (at the instinct level). It is not about the overall strength of a horoscope or overall strength of a planet. As for the logic you presented to Suresh, I just have one sentence: Just as everything with a link to rasis need not be seen in D-12, everything with a link to nakshatras need not be seen in D-27. Using D-27 to see financial prospects seems like an abuse to me, much as using Yogini dasa to time auspicious events. If something makes no sense, it has to be rejected so that the next generation has lesser mess to sort out. Two charts singled out by Parasara for seeing the auspiciousness are D-16 and D-60. After defining what various vargas stand for, he singled out (or, doubled out :-) ) these two vargas for seeing the overall auspiciousness of a sign or planet. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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