For Tat Tvam Asi

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Dear Tattvam Asi , Namaskar

 

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Rafal Gendarz

Sri Jagannath Center Guru

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nameisego napisa³(a):

>

> hare rama krsna

>

> Dear Tattvamasi , Namaskar

>

> My comments below.

>

> [rafal] There are three kinds of pramana. For brahmins (only they

> should study Jyotisha - Prasna Marga sloka) & #182;abda-pramana (spiritual

> injunction) MUST BE final. What this means? It means that through

> anumana (reasoning) and pratyaksa (perception) we should understand

> and appreciate genius and depth of sabda. If we change sabda then we

> are loosing faith. This ends up in loosing blessings of Rsi

>

> My Reply (Tatvam-Asi)

>

> Sorry, this is not a reply to my exact question.

>

> Let us confine ourselves to only Astrology.

> Shabda pramana cannot always be taken as the final truth

> (Unless it is spoken by God as in 15th chapter of Bhagvat Gita).

> Atleast I do not accept .

[rafal] This is the reply, as this methodology should be applied to

Veda and Vedanga. I hope You accept Jyotish as Vedanga per Hari Hara

teaching in Prasna Marga. Agni Purana says that Jyotish forms

aparavidya group. Vidya which comes from breath of Narayana should be

accepted as words of Narayana. Jyotish is laid down in Puranas and

they are accepted as Pancha-Veda (by Upanishads).

>

> With context to Astrology, Where did Parashar Muni write that what I

> have written is final ?

> Please give me a single example of any Rishi who has said so in their

> treties on Astrology.

[rafal] This comes from word Pratibha. Vedas/Vedanga are apaurusheya -

they dont come frome human minds, instead they come from Bhagavan,

which is embodiment of Truth. Therefore based on that trivial fact

there is no need for statement You seek. Of course You can belong to

group of Western Indologist whose attitude is different.

>

>

> My direct question to you is about karakatva.

> Ancient astrologers and Munis gave karakatva based on that age's

> prevailing circumstances and fields or things. But with advancement of

> man, a lot many new things came about. And Vedic astrology has no clue

> to certain or most of the things we have today.

[rafal] Again, does the Guna and Gana are changed due to innovation of

cars, hotels and internet? No, because Guna and Gana forms ethernal

structure on which changes are based. If we are brilliant in reading

the structure then the cloth on It is simple to recognize.

>

>

> [rafal] I think You know that karakatwa contains two factors. Root

> factor which is unchangeable and ALWAYS THE SAME, and the Detail

> factor which depends on kala/desa/patra. Inteligent Jyotisha applies

> details depending on times, but the root ALWAYS STAYS THE SAME. This

> is the proper understanding by which You will get the best results.

> Otherwise if You change the CORE of Rsis teaching You will be lost in

> Your speculation. When the memory is lost one becomes fallen (bhagavad

> gita).

>

> Tatvam-Asi.. ...Again I would like you to confine to Astrology only.

[rafal] I think You lost holism of all Vedic doctrines. Jyotish is

part of the same knowledge which should be applied in the same way

like other branches. Some Jyotishas are giving Jyotish remedies based

on Charaka Samhita. All is connected.

>

>

> One example I can give is Karakatva of planets.

> Can you tell me which planet is Karaka of Computer science and why?

>

> [rafal] Ketu for electronics, Budha for languages. I have hundreds

> charts for this.

>

> Tatvam-Asi.. . So ultimately you made your own assumptions based on

> your study of hundreds of charts that

> Ketu is karaka of electronics.

[rafal] That comes from Orissa parampara. Ive analysed reasons for

that and accepted that.

>

>

> Tatvam-Asi.. ..This is exactly what I wanted to prove.

> You made your own finding to make Ketu as Karaka of electronics but

> you did not read it in Parashara Muni's grantha.

> You developed on the basic teachings to expand it further.

> This is what I am advocating.

> Adopt, absorb and Develop.

> As in ancint times, Rishis are born even now.

> Astrological giants are also born now.May be some great soul will

> write his or her own grantha on Astrology with totally new

> principles .

> There is no age when Rishish cannot be born. Great Rishis are born

> every century.

> ( J. Krishnamurthy, Mata Amritanandmayi, to name some real Gyani and

> Real Bhakti margi perons )

> You can take name of Swamy Bhaktivedanta ji also.

>

[rafal] Yes, the core is the same always, details will come based on

changings.

>

> Which planet is karaka of electronics and why?

>

> [rafal] Ketu. Mangal shows engineering, subtle form of Mangal is Ketu.

> Mangal is red, Ketu is infrared, so electronics is like subtle

> engineering. Easy..

>

> Tatvam-Asi.. ..Mangal shows engineering ....but what branch of

> engineering?

[rafal] that would depend on grahas which influence Mangal.

>

> Honestly your deduction about subtlle forms escapes my limited

> understanding capability.

[rafal] Its simple, Nodes are chayagrahas, and there is popular sloka

which says that Ketu is like Mangal, Rahu is like Shani. This 'like'

cross the border of vulgar matter, therefore Nodes also shows ghosts,

viruses, borders, electronics, ultraviolet, radiation, x-rays etc.

>

> I think Saturn and Mars are the duo (Basic ingredients) to make a

> machine.

[rafal] Shani shows construction, Mangal shows joining/technical

aspect. Rahu shows mechanisms.

>

>

> Which planet rules over Space craft and why?

> [rafal] Depends on element/work. Ketu shows upward direction (moksha),

> Rahu is for investigation. Shukra controls travels.

>

> Tatvam-Asi.. ...Again this arguement of Sukra being controller of

> Travel escapes me.

[rafal] Oh..its very wellknown karaka for travel and vehicles (9H & 4H

respectively). It lords seventh bhava in naisargika-chakra. Seventh

bhava is mentioned as bhava for travelling - Parasara, Satya Jataka etc..

>

> What is this " Depends on element/work "

> You mean a space probe has different karaka than space craft?

[rafal] Job of spacecrafter, machine alone, their objective, motive -

all this must be specified to choose karaka.

>

>

> Which planet rules over Robot and why?

> [rafal] Its machine..Rahu.

>

> Me (Tatvam-Asi) Sorry I do not agree. Rahu cannot be a karaka of

> Robot.

> Robot is a mixture of electronics, Mechenics, Computer , Optical

> science and so on.

> I think you may check it out again.

[rafal] Ketu shows small machines (like watches - refer to Jaimini and

Parasara), Rahu shows big machines. So that depend on type of Robot,

if its multi-processed hardware then its Ketu. There are also other

types of Robots.

>

>

> I am sure that you would have no firm answer to these questions.This

> is because what you know is what you know from astrology you have

> learnt and you do not want to look further than that.

>

> [rafal] This is due to my Shani exalted 9L in fifth bhava Vargottama.

> Im deadly serious about tradition and sabda.

>

> Tatvam-Asi.. ..You mean an Astrological fundamentalist?

[rafal] Lover of traditional approach.

>

>

> We have to evolve ourself as well as evolve and broaden the

> principles and scope of astrology. Unless we keep an open mind, this

> is not possible.

>

> [rafal] Yes, we should apply changing details to ETERNAL CORE. Im sure

> You can understand the rest.

>

> Astological fundamentalism is a self defeating thing.

> Gyan is like Ganga. The more it flows and absorbs other streams , it

> does not broaden and become useful nad become perpetual. No use to be

> a pond which ultimately dries out.

>

> If you feel bad, I am sorry but I am against anything which calls

> itself ultimate (except God)

> or is touted as the ultimate .

[rafal] God's knowledge then must be also ultimate.

>

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

>

[Guest guest]

I find some of my postings have not appeared on board.

May be this is Rahu effect.